I like to browse over there once in awhile and I can't ever get over the attitude. I have been in clubs that had a dancer or two that her piss poor attitude was obvious......and I bet she goes home owing the house every night. They just need to get over it and take our money and shake their asses.
Has any TUSCL PL ever been with a stripperweb stripper? And what was she like IRL?
I had a fave once that said she used the site to get info on where to strip on the road. We agreed that the overall attitude of the site was unreasonably bitchy and not the norm with most strippers. Other than this, I've never met a stripperweb stripper that I know of.
-->"Has any TUSCL PL ever been with a stripperweb stripper? And what was she like IRL?"
A number have. Most significantly, Chili Palmer has claimed (right on SW) to have met over a couple dozen of them, a claim which notably no one challenged. He claims the girls are nothing like their personas, and the vast majority do extras -- even though those same girls have the SW militantly-anti-extras personas
I believe we get at StripperWeb: 1. A lot of regular strippers, the type we tuscl guys run into and patronizing, who have built a fake persona and bought into the consensual SW-delusion of strip clubs, in order to both fit in, and have some pressure relief venting... and perhaps fantasize about being an ice cold bad bitch hustler type who preys on men. This is most of the girls on tuscl, and the ones Chili has met, 2. a few actual, worst-of-the-worst, ice cold bad bitch hustler types who really do act that way in the club, and who have set the overall tone for the forum -- and who most tusclers never run into or we dismiss immediately, so it's like we occupy a different strip club than them, even though we're there at the same time. 3. Just regular strippers who haven't created a persona that's a complete mis-match from how they act in the club. There are definitely some girls like that, but groups 1 & 2 are who we tend to notice more
Anyway, cut them some slack or just stop browsing around there. It's a place for strippers to communicate with each other --- them being bitchy shouldn't come as a surprise because we work in an industry where we deal with a lot of pain-in-the-ass folks (obviously PLs, as well as fellow dancers, management, etc. can be rough for dancers to deal with).
It's a place where strippers can share info, experiences, and commiserate about the mental and physical toll of this job. None of you PLs have any first hand knowledge of what strippers deal with each shift and how it can affect a girl's psyche. And since it's a gathering place for strippers (and all women in the sex industry), it's a place where we can kick off our stilettos and chat with each other without having customers to cater to. Just because someone appears to have an attitude on a website doesn't mean that's how they act in the club. I am a perfect example of this.
For what it's worth, I think the average girl over there is smarter than the "average" stripper.
I guess I just don't understand the need for the super bitch persona . I have a very stressful job and too go to strip clubs and online to escape the stress for awhile and I don't act like an ass.
"I guess I just don't understand the need for the super bitch persona . I have a very stressful job and too go to strip clubs and online to escape the stress for awhile and I don't act like an ass."
Is your job in the sex industry? If not, it's not a comparison. Stripperweb is where strippers go to talk about work and/or a variety of other topics. It is specifically FOR strippers and other girls in the industry. So unless you are a sex worker, your argument falls flat. You are on a strip club site to escape stress of your job, which is I assume is unrelated to stripping.
@Nina I have no quarrel with you or any of the strippers posting whatever on their site, and I’m glad there are some strippers posting here, we make our own comments related to SW just as they bitch about us here, what ticks me off somewhat, (I won’t lose a moment of sleep over it) is sometimes the carryover of attitude to this here site, just like you’re entitled to a place to vent so are we, this is the boys locker room if girls want to play here they need to be good sports about our sense of humor as well. Just because some of the guys are crude, doesn’t carry through to the way they act IRL.
Twentyfive - I never insisted otherwise, in fact what you're saying goes hand in hand with my argument. The guys here are self-proclaimed "PLs" and create a general misogynistic environment. Here is the boys locker room, over there is like a girls sleepover where we talk about what pissed us off that day, what guy made our day better, and a plethora of other female issues. You have your place to vent and be pigs, we have our place to vent and be bitchy if we want to.
Yeah, I've always just felt like we were looking in to the dressing room at a SC and overhearing the gossip with stripperweb. No biggie.
Now when the bring the shit attitude in to the ONE forum where customers are supposed to and allowed to post and ask questions, that's when it's a little off-putting. But even then, semi-understandable.
Nina- I'm not trying to disagree with you here but on a forum that is intended to be an open conversation between strippers and customers there is no need for the hostile attitude.(there not referring to what you have said here).
^ this forum is not an open convo, between customers and providers, this is the forum for the end users, I like having the providers her, but don’t confuse the facts or the issues.
I avoid stripper web now. I went on the other day to read what RedRoseRoom posted about her encounter with a customer. Outside of that - it’s been close to a year since I last took a look over there.
I haven't really met strippers in real life that behave the way they present themselves on stripperweb. I feel like some of them exaggerate a little bit. Some of them probably just straight up like if I had to guess.
Some of them I trust, others not so much due to various reasons.
I don’t check out SW very often but I also don’t care. I go to clubs and meet individual, real life strippers, one at a time. I go to relax and enjoy myself. So in a club, I look for an attractive stripper who seems to have a good personality. If it’s not working, I move on.
I don’t really care if a stripper who I seemed to get along well with needs to vent on that site or was otherwise just “acting” friendly to me but really is bitchy. I’m always respectful and courteous to the strippers I meet. But I’m not on their side of the thong and it’s their job - they’re not dating me.
At the end of the day, I don’t control how they feel after work, other than doing my best to treat them kindly and not cause, or exacerbate, their stress. They’ve chosen their job and, like anyone else, are responsible to themselves to handle themselves and their workplace issues as they see fit. So I try to not give a stripper a valid reason to be pissed at me but I also don’t take it personally that there is a website that, in general, may not throw a lot of bouquets to folks like us.
Also, trying to look at it from their point of view, the frequent view of strippers here is that they generally don’t have their shit together, they’re shallow, short-sighted and they can’t handle the money they make off of us. I’ve made plenty of smart assed remarks here so I don’t say that to point fingers. In addition, we have plenty of our own threads here that are primarily bitch sessions about the clubs or the strippers.
The bottom line is I’m guessing most of us are decent people in real life and in clubs. We act like pigs here at times because it’s a place to do that. Likewise, I’m guessing most strippers are decent people in real life and are just trying to navigate through a job in a weird environment. So as far as I’m concerned, they can take on whatever persona there (or here) that they want. It can be a real persona or one they take on there just to blow off steam. They’re not harming me.
You have a lot o whores who promote glorified con artistry and want to be revered as high class professionals when in fact their professional assholes.
As far as I am concerned fuck their struggle and their attitude.
Worlds a dark fucked up enough place as is and plenty of decent tolerable neutrally intentioned women and men to empathize without wasting my best wishes on those whores...
I respect the stripper that comes to TUSCL to get the PL's perspective and provide the stripper's. It's "needed" over here as much as the PL's is over there.
And I totally get the need to have SW for reasons stated by Nina. My only real gripe is that they moderate excessively and a PL is basically shunned from simply bringing the PL perspective. At least over here you can post without fear of being moderated. That's why I avoid it altogether. Also it is simply and mostly a different SC reality than the one I know and experience.
I think a lot of the bitching on sw is warranted. They deal with some pretty shitty guys. Some of us on this site fit into that category but many of us do not.
And there is some pretty disturbing mysoginistic shit posted here that I find just as disturbing.
I think we all know if their sw personas were how they really acted in the club, they would not do well at all. I dont believe half the shit i read over there but that applies here too.
Well, I'll chime in here as I'm often referred to as the PL who has, in fact, met many SW strippers.
It's true, I've met 30 strippers on SW, and, as has been alluded to, 29 of them provide greater or A LOT greater mileage than they pretend to on StripperWeb. At least four escorted (as in, not OTC but actually escorted and advertised as such). Others inside the club were complete GFE, even though they posted how they would never kiss a customer, and most were up for some titty sucking, HJ's and often much more inside the club. I won't say how many I actually fucked but if you put your money on the over and the number was 10, you'd be a winner.
My caveat: this was all years ago, before the site imploded from Dottie Rebel accusing one of the financial backers of the site of raping her; this was before Curtis Pryce, the founding owner and webmaster of SW, sold out to another party and all the real strippers left. It got very messy in a quick fast hurry and the real dancers exited for what were presumed to be greener (and safer) pastures.
Now SW is populated almost exclusively by Camwhores, baby strippers, wanna-be's and cranky less-than-successful old dancers. Few of the old guard are left, and those that stay don't really share information with their "sisters" publicly anymore. The public group-think that pre-dated them (men are awful, you can make thousands of dollars every night with no mileage and no contact) remains with no one to say otherwise.
Honestly though, it's not much different from this place. In the same sense that there are few actual dancers on that site posting anymore, there are few actual PLs on this site who actually go to strip clubs consistently and post about it. How can you tell? Just look at the number of topics here on daily basis that have nothing to do with strip clubbing. Posted by the same group of PLs who almost never post about any recent experiences. Why? Because they have none. Maybe 15 years they went, but now all they can talk about is sports, politics, Dad jokes, nonsensical rants, internet girls and the like. And let's not forget how many here fawn over a certain poster who has actually admitted to both plagiarizing other posts and lying about every single one of his alleged "reviews" and yet is practically a folk hero to some here. The TUSCL discussion board is an exact mirror image of StripperWeb's whether or not you choose to admit it.
And again, the mirror imaging with respect to how the sites are moderated. On SW, it is extremely heavy handed, and (especially) men and even woemn get/got booted with regularilty for offending the powers that be. Here, any time there is a call for moderation, you all shriek like little girls that "Noooooo, we like this place like it is" and then a week later, complain about the ever growing troll population. Classic mirror imaging.
So yeah, SW sucks balls. But the TUSCL discussion board ain't much better, which is why thousands of people post reviews all the time to this site and just a couple dozen of you post 90% of the topics here, the vast majority of which are either inane, off-topic or just plain boring. It's why most of my posts are now done privately, among a group of PLs who actively and regularly to clubs here in Phoenix, and are happy to share actual intel with each other, You guys can keep laughing at "chacken fangers."
@ChiliPalmer
I’m not looking to pick a fight but you make sweeping generalizations with your post and I’d question you’re assumptions vigorously.
The one most provocative statement is the one >that few here actually go to strip clubs< Not that I can speak for anyone else but I hit a club or two at least once a week, and I’d put my credentials up against anyone at any time.
The second is your disdain for off topic threads, after clubbing for more than thirty years there isn’t really a lot new, I haven’t heard with regards to strip clubs so a diversion can be enjoyable, no one is holding a gun to your head if you don’t like the topic don’t participate, simple enough. My take on it is simple I enjoy the community of guys that enjoy the same things I do, and if you are so focused on a single topic to the exclusion of all others you are an incredible bore.
That said there is a lot more I could add, but I should let you know that I do consider to a valuable voice here and what you say I agree with often just not in this particular case.
^^^A rational disagreement with which I can understand.
That said, my generalizations may e sweeping, but that does not make them any less true.
"no one is holding a gun to your head if you don’t like the topic don’t participate, simple enough"
Obviously, I participate in an infinistesimal numer of discussins here, so clearly that is the path I have chosen. I know mine is the lone voice crying in the wilderness, and have no problem with that.
" if you are so focused on a single topic to the exclusion of all others you are an incredible bore."
This is the crux of the issue: When I am on NFL site, I post and want to read posts on the NFL season, players, trades, trivia and other NFL minutia. Same goes for the music site I'm on, the baseball site, etc. Doesn't make me "boring" it makes me wanting to stay on topic. If there is nothing new to say, then don't post just for the sake of keyboard diarrhea.
The problem with the massive invasion of OT posts is it drowns out the legit posts, and new legitimate posters are less likely to join in if they feel/see the environment is entirely hostile or loaded with troll posts. Again, I realize I am in a teeny, tiny minority here, which is why I mostly lurk and occasionally post on the one topic in a thousand that catches my eye.
I never meant for this to be an argument. Just confused about the hostility on SW that's all. There are so few on topic subjects here that I was just trying to start some type of conversation.
SW has some useful stuff. I’ve definitely gained useful information from there, especially from two posters there from the Austin area.
But I think there’s probably useful information for TUSCLers, especially if they look up regional specific questions. For example, if a customer wants an extras club then look for where someone says “I avoid X because of extras”
@ Chili Palmer: wow if that’s true, that is definitely some interesting insight!
A lot of dancers use secret Facebook groups instead of SW.
I never noticed that much anti customer hate on there. But then again I used to scroll through Tumblr which makes all other forms of misandry seem mild.
I'm also a StripperWeb poster and have danced for TUSCLers (mostly TwoSheds customers when it was up, rip).
I agree there is some attitude on there. It makes me think twice about posting each time. StripperWeb is a dying site though. There's a new hidden Facebook group for dancers and it gets much more traffic than SW and has newer, more useful info.
Side note: I haven't been able to log onto StripperWeb in months either. Every time I log in, I get logged out immediately.
+1 for CP's posts. Shit, I'll just add that some of the most active "female" dancer screen names on SW are neither dancers nor even female - two that I'm sure of and a few others that I strongly suspect. Most of the active dancers disappeared with the whole Dottie shakeup and the few that remained were eventually moderated off over time by the bitter former-dancer types.
Misandry (& also misogyny - try posting as a female monger over there and hear the hatred fly) are/were the cornerstone of SW's existence. The "dancers" sense of entitlement and GPS were thru the roof. I used to post there years ago, mainly in the SCJ section, but it got to the point that the venom and arrogance displayed by those twats was just too much to take so I left. To hear that the site is possibly in it's death throes is music to my ears. I can't think of a place that many of us will miss less.
I've met 18 SW dancers over the years. For the most part, I've found them to be in the collective club middle insofar as attitude and mileage. This from mid-tier or better clubs with moderate to high mileage. There were 3 who provided lower than average mileage, with 2 "princesses".
I saw OP's thread on SW- didn't exactly get a warm reception there. Then again, even the most sociable salesperson has had gripe sessions with peers/coworkers that would peel your skin if you were a fly on the wall there. Being on anonymous internet site allows one to rant sans consequences that you'd encounter saying the same thing to people's faces.
@Nina- It's ~ half way down Customer Conversation section titled "Tips For Couples." OP has same s/n as Tuscl. Similar thread here got more responses, many in a constructive vein here vs there. I'm not sure if OP started any other threads there, but he likely read dancer comments on couples in other threads there.
@Waffle- Several months ago, SW started requiring one to check the "Remember Me" box to get logged in . No problems logging in when I do that.
I wasn't just referring to the comments I got on my one and only post there I was talking about how everyone's questions and comments get answered. I just think the badass persona gets old in a hurry. Whatever. I'll just create another account and troll the fuck out of them
@smalltowncpl I am sorry for the rude behavior you received. You seemed to have been posting in genuine earnest.
I wonder how much of it is an age thing? In other message boards that has a younger male age (for example, video game players) a common mantra is “tits or gtfo” and other nasty comments.
I had low expectations, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised by many of the members on here who are civil at least. It’s not perfect, but there’s much worse out there.
Nina, Huntsman, CP, Minnow, Lopaw and others have described it well.
@nicespice - yeah even though some posts here may sound not-so-cool - lot of them are half-joking. I tried to make a pitch for PL = Passionate Lover a few days back (half joking). But was turned down and PL = Pathetic Loser always!
The "show me your tits" comment, for any questions asked by dancers, has its roots from Bike Rallies where it is a ritual embraced even by the biker babes.
I learned long ago not to take hen clucking too seriously, which is why I've never focused much on what's posted in the Entertainer and Ladies Only sections of SW. As CP rightly pointed out, how a hen acts alone with a rooster and how she behaves when surrounded by other hens are two completely different things.
And no, that was not meant to be remotely misogynistic. I'm constantly surrounded by females and I adore my wife, daughters and other female family and friends. But at the same time I recognize that though they may be the fairer sex, they are also generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think and other external forces. it just is and one who deals with them regularly either learns to navigate this or doesn't I suppose.
I’m happy to be on this site. About 15 years ago I started reading the posts on SW. I never posted over there - as I saw the treatment customers received. There was a customer component to the SW site - but I wasn’t going to post anywhere over there.
This site is more welcoming to customers - which is good. It can be challenging for dancers here - due to skepticism. But it’s not as harsh as it is over on SW.
@Dugan: "But at the same time I recognize that though they may be the fairer sex, they are also generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think and other external forces."
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LOL! This is such a laughably stupid and outdated generalization of gender differences. But that's because @Dugan is married to a stay-at-home mom and lives a 1950's Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle. Come to Thanksgiving at our place @Dugan. The female attorneys and PhDs will rip you a new asshole.
@Randumb, generalizations become such for a reason and whether they are professionally trained or not (which btw my wife is) has little to do with it. There are exceptions to any rule, but overall they are more emotional creatures, which leads them to think differently than we do. For example, there is a reason why women initiate the vast majority of divorces, which is that women tend to be more mercurial. Again, recognizing these realities is not a bad thing - it just is.
@rickdugan: “But at the same time I recognize that though they may be the fairer sex, they are also generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think and other external forces.”
The 19th century called, they want their cliches back.
As the father of two girls myself, I couldn’t disagree more. If any woman in this day and age is actually “generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think”, it’s because they were BROUGHT UP TO BE THAT WAY. There is nothing inherently “less stable” about female personality compared to that of males.
For those who will inevitably bring up the menstruation hormone issue, how much stupid shit have you done when your dick is hard? How many politicians, business men and celebrities have been brought low by their hormones?
Experiences will differ I suppose. You'd think that guys who dealt with strippers would have a better handle on this than most, but to each his own. I also suppose than anyone who wishes should feel free to keep getting caught up in silly hen clucking on SW. ;)
I’m 100% in agreement with GMD especially that last statement how they are reared is how they live.
So being so hard on Ricki Boi is a bit unfair, he just acts the way he was reared, although in all fairness most adults nowadays recognize the mistakes of their parents, and accept them for how things were, Dugan has confused how things were with how they should be.
The fundamental needs and desires of men and women are the same now as they ever were. All that has really changed is which ones are indulged at all, which are indulged more openly and which ones are indulged in secret, all of which is a function of existing societal norms. A tall buff alpha male with even a modicum of charm still gets laid a fuck ton more often than a nice mousey beta male, unless of course the beta male is paying for it.
I took my first wife, a woman who was top of her HS class, near the top of her class top tier university, and who ultimately earned two Masters degrees from another prestigious university, from her longtime boyfriend. Not because I was nicer than him or respected her more, but because I was the better catch (better job, better looking, more charismatic and I got her off a lot). Him beta, me not. Same as it is today, same as it always was.
Women often proclaim to value one thing, but all too often want something else in reality. The only difference is that they are much better than men at concocting rationalizations for indulging those desires. But the result is the same.
Anyway, enough mouthbreathing from me - I'll leave it to you enlightened types to keep commenting as you see fit. ;)
"Women often proclaim to value one thing, but all too often want something else in reality."
Oh, and for anyone who might have missed the obvious, this brings us back full circle to CP's point and some of mine as well. The girls that he met on the board proclaimed one thing due to the group-think mentality of that setting, but then did something altogether different when the rubber met the road.
On some of the now defunct escort boards there were "ladies only boards" and just about all the male members of the perspective sites always wanted to somehow gain access and read the females perspective.....that is until they did which was enough to sour guys from ever wanting to see some of the women again. I would think the same principles that applied then apply her as well.
In this case I'd rather be unknowing than meet someone with a preconceived idea of what they are like ( if that ever happened). an ruin the moment.
Keep in mind there is a lot of posturing that goes on in regards to electronic media. In part it's why I take such a dim view at times of social media in general so having a few women who want to set the tone for the entire board and thinking the majority feel the same way is probably unfair.
“Whatever I’ll just make another account and troll the fuck out of them”
Again op with the hypocritical immature attitude. Who cares? I don’t agree with a lot of the BS on stripperweb (or here) but you guys are all taking it way too seriously
zoey, that's what some of these guys do. For some reason, certain grown men feel the need to populate a dancer support site with a shit tom of garbage, even going so far as to pose as female entertainers. Why I will never understand, but it happens.
^op is bitter that strippers talk shit on couples it seems and their attitude is just as bad as the strippers they complain about so maybe that’s why.
I love couples, I’ve even had a sugar relationship with a couple I met in the club. I always approach them. But yes I talk shit because 9/10 cause drama or are flat out horrible to be around. if you can’t handle the fact that strippers talk shit then stay off a stripper board! I come here cuz I can handle seeing customers talk about us like we’re stupid whores. It’s funny and sometimes insightful and I know half of it is nonsense anyways
I was simply pointing out that in my/our case there was money to be made and got attacked with attitude and rude comments. I went there to get insite and conversation. Trust me I'll not do that again.
Being a dancer means dealing directly with customers and this can often be tough/trying work - in some ways I see SW as dancers venting just like other type workers whom deal directly w/ the public also vent (customer service agents; waitresses/waiters; nurses; etc).
Like other jobs, not everyone is good at what they do or enjoy it - i.e. I think some/many(?) dancers on SW may be the ones that are not that good at it or get turned-down a lot and seem bitter/angry about it - not saying this is accurate, just one of the possibilities for some of the attitudes on there.
^i understand being annoyed cuz there’s a bitchy tone on that site but saying stuff like get over it and shake your ass for our money, then saying you’re gonna go internet troll them, makes you just as bad as them
@zoey101 Someone else earlier in this thread, I think it was nicespice said sorry about the rudeness Smalltowncpl encountered. Bullshit he had the rudeness coming to him, >troll the fuck outta them< fuck him and the camel he's riding on
Not taking it back, I have no problem throwing out a positive bone.
If he falls susceptible to a negative mindset and follows through with that troll account, then he will just allow himself to keep being unhappy.
That being said, Smalltowncpl, if you wanna go troll miserable strippers, I recommend a tumblr account. The anger factor is even greater and they're not as used to men trying to troll them.
^I wasn't asking you to take it back, but he's a dick, that's what I thought first time he posted, he hasn't done anything to change my opinion of him.
> I was simply pointing out that in my/our case there was money to be made and got attacked with attitude and rude comments. I went there to get insite and conversation. Trust me I'll not do that again.
Now that you've tried the "We've got $20, now get down and beg for it you desperate whore" approach both in person and on-line and found that no stripper is actually as desperate as you think they should be, you may want to try presenting a less demeaning value proposition. At a club where you haven't already tried, failed, and then been surly with them, that is.
Some of you people are way to sensitive. I have not been a dick once. I have a life and a job that doesn't include arguing with someone on the interwebs. I don't have the time or interest to "troll the fuck out of them" . I signed out over there and will not return. I come here to have conversation . Sorry to hurt anyone's little feelings.
Errr... if you weren't intending to create another account and troll the fuck out of them, then you probably shouldn't have posted "Whatever. I'll just create another account and troll the fuck out of them"
One needs to take TUSCL w/ a grain of salt and not take much personally - most of us that post on-here at one time or another have had opinions others don't agree with - kinda the nature of the beast - and some here take the opportunity to "make themselves shine" at the expense of others and at times have a "holier than thou" attitude - or some just like talking-out-of-their ass for the sake of having an opinion - don't take it personally - it is what it is considering it's an anonymous internet site
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Errr... if you weren't intending to create another account and troll the fuck out of them, then you probably shouldn't have posted "Whatever. I'll just create another account and troll the fuck out of them"
This discussion seems to have taken a different direction than the OP probably expected. An odd threat to troll SW dancers backfired - and now the OP claims they weren’t intending to do that (because they are too busy at work).
This is a very nicely documented case of backpedaling.
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I had a fave once that said she used the site to get info on where to strip on the road. We agreed that the overall attitude of the site was unreasonably bitchy and not the norm with most strippers. Other than this, I've never met a stripperweb stripper that I know of.
A number have. Most significantly, Chili Palmer has claimed (right on SW) to have met over a couple dozen of them, a claim which notably no one challenged. He claims the girls are nothing like their personas, and the vast majority do extras -- even though those same girls have the SW militantly-anti-extras personas
I believe we get at StripperWeb: 1. A lot of regular strippers, the type we tuscl guys run into and patronizing, who have built a fake persona and bought into the consensual SW-delusion of strip clubs, in order to both fit in, and have some pressure relief venting... and perhaps fantasize about being an ice cold bad bitch hustler type who preys on men. This is most of the girls on tuscl, and the ones Chili has met, 2. a few actual, worst-of-the-worst, ice cold bad bitch hustler types who really do act that way in the club, and who have set the overall tone for the forum -- and who most tusclers never run into or we dismiss immediately, so it's like we occupy a different strip club than them, even though we're there at the same time. 3. Just regular strippers who haven't created a persona that's a complete mis-match from how they act in the club. There are definitely some girls like that, but groups 1 & 2 are who we tend to notice more
It's a place where strippers can share info, experiences, and commiserate about the mental and physical toll of this job. None of you PLs have any first hand knowledge of what strippers deal with each shift and how it can affect a girl's psyche. And since it's a gathering place for strippers (and all women in the sex industry), it's a place where we can kick off our stilettos and chat with each other without having customers to cater to. Just because someone appears to have an attitude on a website doesn't mean that's how they act in the club. I am a perfect example of this.
For what it's worth, I think the average girl over there is smarter than the "average" stripper.
Is your job in the sex industry? If not, it's not a comparison. Stripperweb is where strippers go to talk about work and/or a variety of other topics. It is specifically FOR strippers and other girls in the industry. So unless you are a sex worker, your argument falls flat. You are on a strip club site to escape stress of your job, which is I assume is unrelated to stripping.
Now when the bring the shit attitude in to the ONE forum where customers are supposed to and allowed to post and ask questions, that's when it's a little off-putting. But even then, semi-understandable.
Does it piss those SW girls off - having to go to a site with such an objectionable name - to air their greivances? Shouldn’t it be called theexoticentertainersforumfordancerswith… - or theintelligentpenishatingforum.com?
Some of them I trust, others not so much due to various reasons.
I don't really worry about it a whole lot though?
Guys feel gals are “bitchy” on SW. I would think many gals would feel like guys on TUSCL are a bunch of entitled pigs. Lol let the hating begin.
I don’t really care if a stripper who I seemed to get along well with needs to vent on that site or was otherwise just “acting” friendly to me but really is bitchy. I’m always respectful and courteous to the strippers I meet. But I’m not on their side of the thong and it’s their job - they’re not dating me.
At the end of the day, I don’t control how they feel after work, other than doing my best to treat them kindly and not cause, or exacerbate, their stress. They’ve chosen their job and, like anyone else, are responsible to themselves to handle themselves and their workplace issues as they see fit. So I try to not give a stripper a valid reason to be pissed at me but I also don’t take it personally that there is a website that, in general, may not throw a lot of bouquets to folks like us.
Also, trying to look at it from their point of view, the frequent view of strippers here is that they generally don’t have their shit together, they’re shallow, short-sighted and they can’t handle the money they make off of us. I’ve made plenty of smart assed remarks here so I don’t say that to point fingers. In addition, we have plenty of our own threads here that are primarily bitch sessions about the clubs or the strippers.
The bottom line is I’m guessing most of us are decent people in real life and in clubs. We act like pigs here at times because it’s a place to do that. Likewise, I’m guessing most strippers are decent people in real life and are just trying to navigate through a job in a weird environment. So as far as I’m concerned, they can take on whatever persona there (or here) that they want. It can be a real persona or one they take on there just to blow off steam. They’re not harming me.
As far as I am concerned fuck their struggle and their attitude.
Worlds a dark fucked up enough place as is and plenty of decent tolerable neutrally intentioned women and men to empathize without wasting my best wishes on those whores...
And I totally get the need to have SW for reasons stated by Nina. My only real gripe is that they moderate excessively and a PL is basically shunned from simply bringing the PL perspective. At least over here you can post without fear of being moderated. That's why I avoid it altogether. Also it is simply and mostly a different SC reality than the one I know and experience.
I think a lot of the bitching on sw is warranted. They deal with some pretty shitty guys. Some of us on this site fit into that category but many of us do not.
And there is some pretty disturbing mysoginistic shit posted here that I find just as disturbing.
Btw, this is kind of a hypocritical thing to say when complaining about their attitudes.
It's true, I've met 30 strippers on SW, and, as has been alluded to, 29 of them provide greater or A LOT greater mileage than they pretend to on StripperWeb. At least four escorted (as in, not OTC but actually escorted and advertised as such). Others inside the club were complete GFE, even though they posted how they would never kiss a customer, and most were up for some titty sucking, HJ's and often much more inside the club. I won't say how many I actually fucked but if you put your money on the over and the number was 10, you'd be a winner.
My caveat: this was all years ago, before the site imploded from Dottie Rebel accusing one of the financial backers of the site of raping her; this was before Curtis Pryce, the founding owner and webmaster of SW, sold out to another party and all the real strippers left. It got very messy in a quick fast hurry and the real dancers exited for what were presumed to be greener (and safer) pastures.
Now SW is populated almost exclusively by Camwhores, baby strippers, wanna-be's and cranky less-than-successful old dancers. Few of the old guard are left, and those that stay don't really share information with their "sisters" publicly anymore. The public group-think that pre-dated them (men are awful, you can make thousands of dollars every night with no mileage and no contact) remains with no one to say otherwise.
Honestly though, it's not much different from this place. In the same sense that there are few actual dancers on that site posting anymore, there are few actual PLs on this site who actually go to strip clubs consistently and post about it. How can you tell? Just look at the number of topics here on daily basis that have nothing to do with strip clubbing. Posted by the same group of PLs who almost never post about any recent experiences. Why? Because they have none. Maybe 15 years they went, but now all they can talk about is sports, politics, Dad jokes, nonsensical rants, internet girls and the like. And let's not forget how many here fawn over a certain poster who has actually admitted to both plagiarizing other posts and lying about every single one of his alleged "reviews" and yet is practically a folk hero to some here. The TUSCL discussion board is an exact mirror image of StripperWeb's whether or not you choose to admit it.
And again, the mirror imaging with respect to how the sites are moderated. On SW, it is extremely heavy handed, and (especially) men and even woemn get/got booted with regularilty for offending the powers that be. Here, any time there is a call for moderation, you all shriek like little girls that "Noooooo, we like this place like it is" and then a week later, complain about the ever growing troll population. Classic mirror imaging.
So yeah, SW sucks balls. But the TUSCL discussion board ain't much better, which is why thousands of people post reviews all the time to this site and just a couple dozen of you post 90% of the topics here, the vast majority of which are either inane, off-topic or just plain boring. It's why most of my posts are now done privately, among a group of PLs who actively and regularly to clubs here in Phoenix, and are happy to share actual intel with each other, You guys can keep laughing at "chacken fangers."
CP
I’m not looking to pick a fight but you make sweeping generalizations with your post and I’d question you’re assumptions vigorously.
The one most provocative statement is the one >that few here actually go to strip clubs< Not that I can speak for anyone else but I hit a club or two at least once a week, and I’d put my credentials up against anyone at any time.
The second is your disdain for off topic threads, after clubbing for more than thirty years there isn’t really a lot new, I haven’t heard with regards to strip clubs so a diversion can be enjoyable, no one is holding a gun to your head if you don’t like the topic don’t participate, simple enough. My take on it is simple I enjoy the community of guys that enjoy the same things I do, and if you are so focused on a single topic to the exclusion of all others you are an incredible bore.
That said there is a lot more I could add, but I should let you know that I do consider to a valuable voice here and what you say I agree with often just not in this particular case.
That said, my generalizations may e sweeping, but that does not make them any less true.
"no one is holding a gun to your head if you don’t like the topic don’t participate, simple enough"
Obviously, I participate in an infinistesimal numer of discussins here, so clearly that is the path I have chosen. I know mine is the lone voice crying in the wilderness, and have no problem with that.
" if you are so focused on a single topic to the exclusion of all others you are an incredible bore."
This is the crux of the issue: When I am on NFL site, I post and want to read posts on the NFL season, players, trades, trivia and other NFL minutia. Same goes for the music site I'm on, the baseball site, etc. Doesn't make me "boring" it makes me wanting to stay on topic. If there is nothing new to say, then don't post just for the sake of keyboard diarrhea.
The problem with the massive invasion of OT posts is it drowns out the legit posts, and new legitimate posters are less likely to join in if they feel/see the environment is entirely hostile or loaded with troll posts. Again, I realize I am in a teeny, tiny minority here, which is why I mostly lurk and occasionally post on the one topic in a thousand that catches my eye.
^ Chili, you just made my point, it was funny but off topic and irrelevant, yet that is why I enjoy this web site as much as I do.
SW has some useful stuff. I’ve definitely gained useful information from there, especially from two posters there from the Austin area.
But I think there’s probably useful information for TUSCLers, especially if they look up regional specific questions. For example, if a customer wants an extras club then look for where someone says “I avoid X because of extras”
@ Chili Palmer: wow if that’s true, that is definitely some interesting insight!
A lot of dancers use secret Facebook groups instead of SW.
I never noticed that much anti customer hate on there. But then again I used to scroll through Tumblr which makes all other forms of misandry seem mild.
I agree there is some attitude on there. It makes me think twice about posting each time. StripperWeb is a dying site though. There's a new hidden Facebook group for dancers and it gets much more traffic than SW and has newer, more useful info.
Side note: I haven't been able to log onto StripperWeb in months either. Every time I log in, I get logged out immediately.
I saw OP's thread on SW- didn't exactly get a warm reception there. Then again, even the most sociable salesperson has had gripe sessions with peers/coworkers that would peel your skin if you were a fly on the wall there. Being on anonymous internet site allows one to rant sans consequences that you'd encounter saying the same thing to people's faces.
Where's OP's thread on SW?
@Waffle- Several months ago, SW started requiring one to check the "Remember Me" box to get logged in . No problems logging in when I do that.
I wonder how much of it is an age thing? In other message boards that has a younger male age (for example, video game players) a common mantra is “tits or gtfo” and other nasty comments.
I had low expectations, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised by many of the members on here who are civil at least. It’s not perfect, but there’s much worse out there.
Similar one is here: https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
Nina, Huntsman, CP, Minnow, Lopaw and others have described it well.
@nicespice - yeah even though some posts here may sound not-so-cool - lot of them are half-joking. I tried to make a pitch for PL = Passionate Lover a few days back (half joking). But was turned down and PL = Pathetic Loser always!
The "show me your tits" comment, for any questions asked by dancers, has its roots from Bike Rallies where it is a ritual embraced even by the biker babes.
I don't complain about the attitude over on SW, because there's plenty of the same going on here.
And no, that was not meant to be remotely misogynistic. I'm constantly surrounded by females and I adore my wife, daughters and other female family and friends. But at the same time I recognize that though they may be the fairer sex, they are also generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think and other external forces. it just is and one who deals with them regularly either learns to navigate this or doesn't I suppose.
This site is more welcoming to customers - which is good. It can be challenging for dancers here - due to skepticism. But it’s not as harsh as it is over on SW.
BTW - I like nicespice’s new avatar - nice view!
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LOL! This is such a laughably stupid and outdated generalization of gender differences. But that's because @Dugan is married to a stay-at-home mom and lives a 1950's Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle. Come to Thanksgiving at our place @Dugan. The female attorneys and PhDs will rip you a new asshole.
The 19th century called, they want their cliches back.
As the father of two girls myself, I couldn’t disagree more. If any woman in this day and age is actually “generally less stable emotionally and more prone to being influenced by social group-think”, it’s because they were BROUGHT UP TO BE THAT WAY. There is nothing inherently “less stable” about female personality compared to that of males.
For those who will inevitably bring up the menstruation hormone issue, how much stupid shit have you done when your dick is hard? How many politicians, business men and celebrities have been brought low by their hormones?
So being so hard on Ricki Boi is a bit unfair, he just acts the way he was reared, although in all fairness most adults nowadays recognize the mistakes of their parents, and accept them for how things were, Dugan has confused how things were with how they should be.
I took my first wife, a woman who was top of her HS class, near the top of her class top tier university, and who ultimately earned two Masters degrees from another prestigious university, from her longtime boyfriend. Not because I was nicer than him or respected her more, but because I was the better catch (better job, better looking, more charismatic and I got her off a lot). Him beta, me not. Same as it is today, same as it always was.
Women often proclaim to value one thing, but all too often want something else in reality. The only difference is that they are much better than men at concocting rationalizations for indulging those desires. But the result is the same.
Anyway, enough mouthbreathing from me - I'll leave it to you enlightened types to keep commenting as you see fit. ;)
Oh, and for anyone who might have missed the obvious, this brings us back full circle to CP's point and some of mine as well. The girls that he met on the board proclaimed one thing due to the group-think mentality of that setting, but then did something altogether different when the rubber met the road.
Ok, now I'm really out. ;)
In this case I'd rather be unknowing than meet someone with a preconceived idea of what they are like ( if that ever happened). an ruin the moment.
Keep in mind there is a lot of posturing that goes on in regards to electronic media. In part it's why I take such a dim view at times of social media in general so having a few women who want to set the tone for the entire board and thinking the majority feel the same way is probably unfair.
Again op with the hypocritical immature attitude. Who cares? I don’t agree with a lot of the BS on stripperweb (or here) but you guys are all taking it way too seriously
I love couples, I’ve even had a sugar relationship with a couple I met in the club. I always approach them. But yes I talk shit because 9/10 cause drama or are flat out horrible to be around. if you can’t handle the fact that strippers talk shit then stay off a stripper board! I come here cuz I can handle seeing customers talk about us like we’re stupid whores. It’s funny and sometimes insightful and I know half of it is nonsense anyways
Like other jobs, not everyone is good at what they do or enjoy it - i.e. I think some/many(?) dancers on SW may be the ones that are not that good at it or get turned-down a lot and seem bitter/angry about it - not saying this is accurate, just one of the possibilities for some of the attitudes on there.
You actually have that much spare time on your hands?
Huh.
If he falls susceptible to a negative mindset and follows through with that troll account, then he will just allow himself to keep being unhappy.
That being said, Smalltowncpl, if you wanna go troll miserable strippers, I recommend a tumblr account. The anger factor is even greater and they're not as used to men trying to troll them.
Now that you've tried the "We've got $20, now get down and beg for it you desperate whore" approach both in person and on-line and found that no stripper is actually as desperate as you think they should be, you may want to try presenting a less demeaning value proposition. At a club where you haven't already tried, failed, and then been surly with them, that is.
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#mixedsignals
One needs to take TUSCL w/ a grain of salt and not take much personally - most of us that post on-here at one time or another have had opinions others don't agree with - kinda the nature of the beast - and some here take the opportunity to "make themselves shine" at the expense of others and at times have a "holier than thou" attitude - or some just like talking-out-of-their ass for the sake of having an opinion - don't take it personally - it is what it is considering it's an anonymous internet site
I recommend these two articles:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/…
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According to what is known as "Disappointment Theory," we experience disappointment when a situation that has an uncertain outcome ends up producing a result that is worse than we had expected. Disappointment, in this theory, involves five elements:
1. A situation in which the outcome was uncertain.
2. We were hoping for a positive outcome.
3. We felt we deserve the positive outcome.
4. We were surprised that we didn’t achieve the outcome.
5. We couldn’t control the outcome by our personal actions.
Assess your role in personal disappointments. Though you can’t control the outcome of a playoff game (despite your superstitious beliefs), you can control many of the outcomes in your personal life. If your expectations in love and work chronically fail to materialize, make an honest appraisal of what you may need to change in yourself.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/…
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Disappointment forces you to admit that you did not get what you wished to have, and it is actually easier for you to protest with anger than it is to encounter your sadness about the course of events. In an obstinate way, anger will allow you to continue idealizing what could have been while consciously denigrating it, and you will hang onto it only because it's what you needed at the time. Disappointment accepts reality.
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C.M.I wins.
Flawless victory.
Fatality.
This is a very nicely documented case of backpedaling.