I posted about a guy spending time with a dancer for 4 hours.
Today I asked the dancer about it . She told me that guy wants her company all night. He pays just to sit and talk with her. Even in champagne room and couch room they sit and talk. Sounds like sugar daddy thing.
I dont get why they dont just get a room.
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Some dudes are just lonely and want the company of a beautiful woman for a few hours. Not my cup of tea, but it's his money.
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May be she don't do OTC. I directly asked her how much he pays for spending time like that one night.She smiled and said i should not ask those things. The problem is he is blocking other people from getting dances from her. When I told her about this issue she said it's ok we will have time for dances. Oh..her name just announced to come on stage.But she just left into champagne room with that guy. Haha..That guy spending all his salary on that girl.
During the last few years of my relationship with my ATF, If I was in the club she stayed with me until I left. She would only dance for some one else if they asked for my permission. Only 2 ever did and they were both buddies of mine.
Some guys go to strip clubs for the psychological fantasy of a hottie caring about them but don't care as much about the physical part. I much prefer it being about the physical fantasy. If I spend a lot of time at the bar or at a table with a stripper, it's because she is giving me a boner by spooning with me or sitting on my lap as I get good and horny before we get some dances. Just talking for hours is not for me.
Shadowcat, how much you used to spend on your ATF per night.
Darkblue - $300-400 plus lunch or dinner. She basically only worked when I was in town. She had an OTC job as an EMT. So we worked around her schedule. Usually we were together ITC & OTC for 5-6 hours. You can check her out. Her TUSCL name was gridget.
He’s only there once a week. Can’t you just come in when she isn’t tied up w him? You must realize it’s not a problem for her that other guys want dances, if he is paying what she asks for her time.
She works only one day a week and that day is thursday and she is tied up with him all night. Even if i get dance from her it's like by pressure she is giving me the dance.
Thanks shadowcat doe the info. I told this girl how much is it I will take you for one night. She just laughed.She is damn beautiful and hot.
"She works only one day a week and that day is thursday and she is tied up with him all night."
Some dancers only do appointments. It sounds like you're putting yourself in the middle of something that's reliable income for her. Unless you're volunteering to replace that cash, you're probably not getting anywhere until that guy is done. And maybe not even then.
You're probably annoying her, and of not now, it will happen. Find a different dancer to lust over. They're a dime a dozen.
What the fuck is it with you guys and your stupid childish fantasies. There are dozens of good looking dancers in most of these clubs, grow the fuck up if one is busy find another, the dancers you are lusting after have made their choices accept it or don't this is infantile.
I don’t get your obsession with this one dancer. She’s a good looking dancer - and there are many more. Let it go!
The dude who takes all her time - enjoys hanging with her. He probably doesn’t care about the cost - but he enjoys hanging with a beautiful dancer. He might also enjoy knowing that she’s his for the night -
Just do what I do when a whale ties up a dancer all night. Wait for him in the parking lot at 2AM and pop a cap in his ass.
Cushman and twenty-five, She is the only one dancer I liked in the club.if she is not there I don't even like to go to that club. I don't know how many have seen 34DD naturals on a beautiful face with a phat ass.She is the first one I saw.Not even in movies I didn't see 34DD.
^^^Look boy, you are allowed to have any fantasy that rocks your leaky canoe. At the end of the day she’s still a whore who is looking to get paid and if you can’t afford it all you are doing is window shopping. If you want that one so bad save your pennies but I’ll bet by the time you have enough pennies scraped together there’ll be another that you want more and she’ll be long gone.
Exactly twenty-five, that's y I used my saved up pennies to take her to champagne room yesterday. My fantasy fulfilled. The topless dances were awesome.
^^^Good for you, I hope you didn’t take a payday loan or sell your car title in the end she’s still a whore.
^ who cares what she is? He doesn’t. This is all ab the customers. Shouldn’t need to call her a whore to not fall in love w his own fantasies. He’s the one putting her on a pedestal, and ultimately it’s for his sake.
^^^My point wasn’t what or who she is, it was if he wants something let him step up or shut up. He got what he wanted and that’s great, I’m happy for him You need to remember the old story about the dog chasing the car. What does he do with it once he catches it.
He tied up the dancer all night? Wah, wah, wah. Its her job. He's paying her. She isn't losing out at all. If I took in every single client who was waiving a check at me I'd work 20 hours a day seven days a week. Dancers do the same thing. What I don't get is the idea of going to a club where you just like one dancer.
If he wants to pay her to talk, that's fine. It's not my way, but so what? I don't tell people that they're having fun wrong.
You either need to spend more money than him or find another dancer. End of story.
@ 25, I see your point. I thought you were saying she’s just a whore, so she’s not worth all of this fuss.
It's first come-first served just like getting a front row spot at an all-day concert that has open seating. When other people who get there later in the day want to sit where you're sitting, you'll say, "Nope! I was here first and I'm not going anywhere." If you want that dancer, you just have to get into the club earlier.
Jackscott,
It is not just one night, they have an agreement kind of thing. Every week he does the same thing. So she told me she can come earlier for me or some other day if I will let her know.
@skibum
It's up to her if she wants to dance with me or not.
During a talk with manager I mentioned about her saying she works only a day a week, He told she is the no.1 favorite at the club and top earner. Guys make requests all the time for dances but she don't have time. She also has main job OTC. I don't have interest in other girls to just get lap dances.She stands out different , that's y I would like to go to this club.
I understand what you're saying Dark, but even though I have done this for 42 years I still don't get the idea of one girl. To me its like going to a buffet, eating 10 slices of meatloaf and ignoring the other 40 dishes. Even though I have an atf, I have never gone looking for her once and don't spend time with her more than 50% of my visits. This is a fantasy and just "one girl" is for real life.
@twentyfive, I don't need to take a loan or sell car title for 30 min champagne room exp with gorgeous girl.
@skibum, Yeah, You may be right. I should stop going there.
Darkblue999...
First off, I travel to many different clubs and what you explain is not uncommon at all. Guys paying just to chat all night and pass on the lapdances. I've had odd offers over the year (which most I have accepted) where, say a dancer says "If you pay me $300 I'll stay with you the entire time you're in the club and you can get as many lapdances as you want." Usually when that happens it's a slow night, a girl has a number she wants to achieve and just goes for it for it with one guy.
I too had a dancer I was once obsessed with, but she was ALWAYS tied up. Not just one guy but multiple guys. I remember one night waiting almost 90 minutes for my turn and still couldn't see her. Just like you, it was almost always some sap that was just sitting there chatting with her, and not getting lapdances. There was nobody else in the club I was even remotely interested in, so eventually I just stopped going to the club.
Good for you @Darkblue999 you needed to step up and you obviously did that was my point be proactive whining ain’t gonna get you nowhere’s.
Darkblue, have you ever considered the thought that she(dancer) is racist and doesnt want to dance with you people?
Lol!
This isn’t a difficult situation. In my view you have a few options.
First - in clubs the customer with the most cash (if he’s a decent guy) is the one who gets the dancer. It’s not like Disney stories - where the handsome prince gets the beauty. Based on your obsessive desire for this dancer - you bring more cash - and outspend the other guys. You spend time with her - and you decide if it was worth it.
Or - you cut bait - and move to another club. Don’t think about this dancer again. Don’t compare other dancers to her either. Your fantasized depiction of her is going to be impossible to compete with. Move on - enjoy a change of scenery - and appreciate the beautiful and sexy dancers.
I’ll be honest - when a customer obsesses over a single dancer - that’s when the money can get out of hand. She’s basically hooked you without any effort! You are drawn to her body - and she’s been with another customer - so your interaction has been minimal.
That was me. I only pay my ATF for dances but often she'll sit and talk with me the whole time I'm there. It must drive other PL's crazy as I don't pay her for that...
When I see a dancer who's really popular, I'll tip her $20 on stage and that always gets her attention. Patience is a virtue but with the hottest (most popular) girls you have to be at least a little proactive.
^^^ Wow, you're so cool paying strippers to sit with u. I bet telling them you sing in a Rock n roll band gets you free time with them. What a stud. So jealous
It's amazing this conversation has gone on so long. Waiting 90m for a dancer? I cut my losses after 15. What gets me more than a whale or a regular cock-blocking me from one girl is the opposite when a dancer won't leave so I can get dances from others and I'm too polite to tell her to scram. I know that has been discussed before. I'm open to all comers and have been pleasantly surprised by dancers who at first didn't tickle my fancy and have been disappointed with the ones I "waited" for. But I'm a traveling monger with limited time so my perspective may be different.
It’s funny how guys want the girl who isn’t available. On scheduled days, I often don’t have time to give dances to new customers, or I can do a couple dances, but that’s it. When I come in randomly on an off day, if I don’t get a line forming, or find a big spender to take my time, and I don’t seem busy, guys don’t seem nearly as interested.
Bj99 - it’s that weird logic - where guys want the beauty who is popular. The same girl - without the demand - isn’t as desirable. It’s odd to me too - as I’m happy to move on.
I love the variety in clubs - and some dancers think I’ll wait around - but I keep moving. There is such great variety in the clubs I hit - so if one dancer is busy - another beauty is ready to go.
Cashman 1234 ^^^ What he said.
Ironically, it’s not usually the regulars who want the busy popular girl most; it’s the samplers. I like that my regulars want me when it’s busy, and when it’s slow. Somedays I make less bc I spend my time w them, and some days they save my day.
^ the samplers are the ones who have varying desires - so they are more susceptible to large swings in their own demands/desires.
Or some kind of little man syndrome, so that they just want what the other guy has. I notice on here that guy always assume the girl is tied up w a rich whale, but I’m sure it’s often just a good regular.
@Meat72
No.She is not racist.She is lovely to all races.She danced for me before. She dances for all whites,blacks,Latin people and others
BJ99 confirms my experiences as well. I have my regulars who take care of me even when the club is hopping, and when it's empty they appreciate that I'm good for a VIP.
Good point Bj99 - there are probably lots of guys with little man syndrome at clubs. I call it - the grass is always greener syndrome - as they are always looking over the “fence” to see what others have
@Bj99,
The guy does not look like rich whale. He may be good regular. Everytime i was there,he was there though it's Thursday. Yesterday I asked her why the guy didn't come today.She said he is here. She made time to spend time with me yesterday though the good regular was still there. Even if it's good regular, he should be spending good amount to have her 4 to 5 hours that means he might be rich.
He has the money to spend. My best regular spends ab 1000 a week on me, but he comes in a few days, rather than one. He’s not rich. He’s just comfortable and retired. She’s worked you in, so now you are a regular too.
I never go to champagne rooms since its not my kind of thing. This was my second time ever visit to champagne room. First time was in Philly tried o see how it will be.From then thought it was waste of time and money. I could not control going to champagne with this dancer. I always use part of my poker winnings or stock winnings for strip club visits.
LOL@Bj99 She already replying to my texts
I have been an unintentional Sampler when I seem to find myself in a sort of dancers' rotation: "Introduction, Chat, Dance, Thanks, Back to my seat." Repeat. I think it's almost opposite to what's been talked about. It looks like I'm an easy PL and when the girls see I'm getting dances from many of them, they want a share too. And I admit, some of these nights have been allot of fun though I will also admit they're not usually in a "regulars" kind-a club. Conversely, I also think if you are always turning the girls away, word gets out and you're left lonely.
Darkblue, "good" regulars want their dancers to do well, and I'm not the only one who encourages my regular girls to buy dances from guys who are waiting for them. My time will always come, and I get A+ treatment from my girls because they like how they don't have to pretend they don't have other customers.
If you're getting a dance and she knows 2-3 guys who are richer than you are have been waiting, you're NOT going to get the same quality of time as you will when they know no one is in the wings. I probably get more free time and extra songs with my regulars than anyone else because of this.
Same thing in my club. Best looking dancer only dances for one guy. Three times a week for 2 hours on the floor. Never VIP. Mostly just talk and cuddle. Leaves the club immediately when done. Figure about $1,000 per week.
These girls will naturally gravitate towards guys who have historically spent the most on them, pure and simple. There is no inherent right to any service from any girl in the club.
I don't know why this continues to elude some guys here, who come on here and whine because they can't spend the $40 burning a hole in their pockets on the specific girls that they want. They also use the notion that she isn't getting paid by the other guy to justify their outrage, when in truth they don't have a clue about when or how she is getting paid by the guy.
Law of the jungle dudes. Big animals eat first and the smaller animals pick over the remains. Simple.
My current favorite will often sit with me for a long time, but not always. If I am visiting the club on Sunday or Tuesday, I will have her attention ITC and OTC is a definite option. But later in the week she has a couple of regulars who come in and spend a lot of money on her ITC, so if I happen to visit the club on those nights I'm SOL. This is the downside of chasing the hottest girl in the club and an illustration of the law of the jungle. There is nothing to be done but to spend more or accept it.
I sit down at a table. The guy next to me is laying all his lines on a stripper. You’re so pretty. That’s a great outfit. Then, he asks for a $10 dance. After one dance, he starts with his lines again, expecting her to stay and talk. She walks away with a look on her face like “ that’s 10 minutes of my life that I’ll never get back”.
@Rockstar666,@Rickdugan
Good points...
Rickdugan, It's not about spending money..its about how much other person is spending. It is not $40 as you think and it's not a dancer from dive club who allows sucking tits in couch room for $20 per song. I spent more than $100 each trip 3 times and more than $300 4th time and we r texting each other. If TUSCL has copy paste pic functionality I can post here
@mark94, Why that guy didn't continue songs if its $10 per song..i would have taken 10 songs if she is really pretty.
I had the impression he was visiting from a small town in the Midwest. I expect he went home with tales of how much game he had in the big city strip club. It cost him $10 for a lifetime of BS stories.
Solution for this kind of situation is we need more beautiful and hot dancers working in the clubs. There are not enough nowadays. Manager at the club told me last night he used to earn 85k and now he earns 35k .Club used to be packed 4 to 5 years back.Now only 4 to 5 customers on week night's after 10 pm. Dancers wait wait and leave if customers not coming. They don't have patience. When customers come no dancers in the club.
^ The strip club is as it is is just a waning industry. The economy is already mostly recovered but the strip clubs haven't and probably never will. "Regular" people will never spend hundreds or more a month or even on one visit at a strip club. It will always be that less than 1% of national consumes that make up the majority of strip club customers on slow days. And this small amount of customers are generally and gradually getting more difficult and taxing for dancers often wanting more mileage, contact or extras turning off many of the dancers that are just trying to make money, especially a hot dancer who expects to make a lot doing this.
This group of customers are getting a bit more sophisticated and know which clubs in the area give them what they want. If there are none in the area they will travel (if not to far) to an area that has it. If those clubs are still too far away, like in your case you might see what you're seeing now. Just slow clubs in general, as the average strip club customer isn't willing to spend money on that type of experience. Basically, only two types of clubs will do well (lot of customers spending money and a lot of dancers and hot dancers working and making money). Ones that get a lot of casual business and repeat casual business, and the clubs that give the average PL what he's looking for.
^ uggh, so many typos, oh well...
@Bj99 You get over or around $4,000 a month from one customer (and i remember in one discussion you mentioning at the club you work that all the money from dances goes to the dancer so almost all if not all of that $4,000 is going to you)? And i think you also said you don't work that much (and you're here quite a bit even on weekends, unless you do this at work like a lot of people here i imagine). I don't know how long that has been going on, but i imagine you take pretty good care of this guy or at least i hope he feels spoiled. I'm sure he spoils you (definitely compared to other customers)...
theDirkDiggler I think you make some very good points. Sadly, I think you are correct. I enjoy strip clubbing - so I hope things turn around a bit.
I think guys who don’t want extras or high mileage - may gravitate towards some online porn.
Other guys will bite the bullet - if they are major extras types - and go the escort route.
It’s possible the demand will also decrease as new generations become of age. More cyber porn might be the trend. If things move in that direction - it’s possible things might die out.
All I need topless dance with high mileage no extras.... I will go to Philly where topless dances are norm. Some dancers dont even allow sucking tits in 30 min champagne room and some do.
The level of mileage can vary widely - depending on location - depending on the club - and it can vary by dancer (in the same club). In my region of NNJ - it’s dependent on the club and dancer.
@even on busy nights,would she stay with you all night for just that amount?
^ But how much are you willing to spend on THAT per visit? Would you do a champagne room just for that? But from what i understand you're not even getting that (high mileage and sucking tits which is worth something, even from me and probably many people). How much are you willing to spend for what you are getting now at the clubs? If that amount is how much the average club PL spends (or less) than that might not be sustainable in terms of quality talent that wants to make money. The highest earner at your club is "only" making around $4k (by your and my rough calculation) before house cuts (i can't imagine any dancer keeping all $30 of a bikini dance and the club not taking at least a third or more) and tip-outs so maybe $3k or less after all that. That's the ceiling? How many quality strippers are going to bust their ass for around $2k a month? That "whale" has probably warped her mind that she won't feel like working for much less while being asked to do much more, so she only works that one day and keeps her OTC job.
Here..all the money from lap dances in regular couch goes to dancer.If I take 10 dances that means $300 goes to the dancer..Nothing to the club.But these are bikini dances. They get some percentage from champagne room . I take dances only from this girl from now on since she is exceptional. Since they are bikini only not many customers taking dances. It depends on dancers how much I pay per song. If she is hot and pretty don't min paying $40 per song .If she is hot but not pretty $30 per song..It varies..but I never go with flat chested or who shows bad attitude. I tip $10 to $20 for lap dances if i like it even if its only one song.if I don't like it I will cut it off in the middle of the song
Some people have mentioned people desiring unattainable dancers, many of them being very beautiful. The only thing that makes them unattainable is that someone has already "bought" them. Like my ATF (here we go again). On weekends a couple times a month, obviously, i'll try to "buy" her for a couple hours or more and i am able to do so. There are others that will as well. She knows who her regulars are and when they usually come. So she does very little soliciting on those days and never has to get rejected. If there are no regulars those days, there still are still numerous people that will approach her. She can pick her customer. She is largely "unattainable" those days, and this is just made all the more obvious when she's never free and available. But on slower days where there might not be any regulars of hers, she is very attainable and will have to try to get dances and will not have anything close to a sure thing. In this case, there are some PLs (not me though) that like to reject hot dancers (and if they know that this dancer is normally very popular, just to kind of put her back in her place and put a little more "power" back on the PL side), especially if they came for someone else. Most club regulars do have a dancer in mind when they visit. No dancer is immune to this dynamic.
@Darkblue I wouldn't tip anything for a bikini dance that cost $30 (and she kept everything). I still can't wrap my head around that. She can clear $300 in about half an hour for bikini dances, smh and the club gets nothing. I don't know how the club survives either as i imagine the CR is a hard sell.
I go to nude full contact clubs (not trying to rub it in, but trying to make a reference or comparison) where the girls keep about 2/3 to 3/4 of the dance price ($30) and i still only tip for excellent, exceptional or EXTRAordinary service. The girls at your club should not be honestly expecting tips. I don't tip just for looking good; that's what the stage is for (all of one dollar, just for looking good), and i don't tip for anything (services or activity) that the average or typical girl there will do. I really don't know what to tell you in this case; it won't be to keep doing what you're doing...
Also, if the girls keep everything from "lap" (i don't want type of grindage is done at your club) dances, than that $30 price should definitely be negotiable. Any other girl (besides your favorite) should be willing to make deals if they want to make money and the club won't care.
"So she told me she can come earlier for me or some other day if I will let her know."
I would go with one of these options. Which option I would go for would depend on how much money I was going to drop. For a hundred or so have her come in earlier, win-win situation for both, you get your dances and some hangout time, and she has a decent start to her night. If for another night you would need to make it worth her while. Keep in mind dancers have to pay fees to work and she might not even be able to leave once your time with her is done.
@thedirkdiggler The tip I mentioned about topless dances at philly or Hustler(used to be) not bikini dances. In the current club where I go, each girl has to sell 3 drinks per shift and they will pay $45 to club for each shift they work.
In several respects, we are all whores making our living doing what we do. Sex workers get paid for their performance and the fantasy we have about them. No big deal. Just another day in the salt mines.
@Bj99, If you get 3 regular customers like that you are set ..You will make $12000 a month.
DarkBlue, I'll give you context from the other end of your spectrum – that being the guy who monopolizes one dancer's time, the guy you'd like to punch.
I am going to see my favorite tonight. She is sizzling hot, a blonde Russian (I prefer brunettes, actually, but for some reason she does it for me). She is super cool, unpretentious, and good fun to talk with.
I'll be in the club tonite about 4 hours. I don't send out the floor guy search party for her. She will find me, or I will casually find her. I don't text her saying hey I'm almost there, be ready for me. If she's up to something else when I arrive, no prob, I'll drink and enjoy the scenery until she emerges.
From the time she joins me til the time I depart, I estimate there's a less than 1% chance she will seek or accept a dance from another PL. Why? She's not stupid. I spend a lot of $ on her. It helps that I amuse her (at least I think I do. I'm not the most or least young, handsome, or fit guy in the club. When I see her (once, maybe twice a month), we do a VIP room, ranging from a half hour to 1.5 hours depending on how much money I have and how buzzed I am. I tip her very well, well enough that if I were to say how much every PL on this site may call me a fucking idiot. Perhaps (no, probably) I am but hey, it's my money and I like her. I've never asked or suggested that she not do dances with others while I'm there. If she did, I'd probably be annoyed, but hey she's at work, I should be able to comprehend that.
My counsel is that if you've got a major boner for this dancer then change your hours of appearance at the club when the other guy's not there. If you're unable to do that, consider doing yourself a favor and focus on a different girl.
And thank God there's plenty threads on this site with dozens of PLs urging to not get emotionally involved - gives me a much needed, post-clubbing dose of reality because for a few days after I see her I can't get her out of my mind. I should probably get tattooed on my forearm the definition of PL from the TUSCL glossary: "Pathetic Loser - get a grip, she's not in love with you, she just wants your money. All of it." With my fave, I wish the definition weren't true but if I'm being real with myself, of course it's true. Damnit!! Reality Bites Ass!!
Happy Clubbing to you, Dark Blue.
DarkBlue, there are guys who do that in all manner of strip clubs, want to talk, handing over a large portion of their paycheck, but never want sex.
Well documented about SF MBOT, early days of lap dancing, which meant lap sitting.
The guy is not going to move on the girl, as he does not want to complicate the relationship. It often goes on for a long calendar time, but then usually he will move on. Often to the same thing with another girl.
People under estimate how men get hurt in relationships. Like here on this locker room type forum, guys are really bravado. But that does not mean that that is really the truth.
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You will need to setup appt with her if you want her that bad.
Larry, surprised she OKed to meet me at club on different day. Is she going to take off from main job that day? I am lost now.How much should i spend now? What is the right approach?
^ Do you even know what her main job is? If you do is it pretty flexible? Do you know why she works at that job? Unless it pays very well or has some benefits, if she can make more guaranteed from the club, she might not want to waste time at her other job.
I don't really want to give suggestions on how to be more pathetic (i.e. how much to potentially spend on her). She expects a lot just because of her whale (who pays just to talk to her?). If she can make $4k a month just from that, she might not be willing to do all that much ITC with you for anything less than what she gets from the other guy, if she can even do it (i don't know how hard it is to anything in that club).
This thread reminds me of a guy I overheard in a strip club saying if he had tits and ass, he could make an easy killing instead of his regular job.
Of course she has to have the hot looks guys desire unless she's doing more then just looking good.
I used to sit with someone from 2-3 hrs to her entire shift. Only once or twice she pick up customers but always return to me... Looking back, it had to do we enjoy each company and share our personal life. Not always about $$...
@Darkblue- me personally if I got her to come in another day, I would spend at least $200.
Every week he does that.