Anti LDK stripperweb thread
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https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showth… This shit trips me out. So here on this site we know for a fact that a lot of dancers don't give a flying fuck whether you LDK or not. From my experiences over the years dancers don't mind, some even proud to make you cum in your pants. Most only concern is they don't want any jizz on them. Totally understandable. Sure there are some prudes out there but thankfully for me, an LDK seeker (unless extras are available where I can finish on her naked body instead), I've mostly encountered dancers who mainly just want a tip if they felt the explosion under them.
Reading stripperweb, I've come to the conclusion that ONLY prudish women post there. Which is a shame because that's the point of view I care about the least. I understand it's a site for dancers. But it seems to be only for the air dancers and goody goody shitty dancers that most customers shouldn't give the time of day. The down and dirty dancers we know and love have no representation and that sucks. I wish someone would start a site just for extras providers, LDK givers, and the likes. I'd read the fuck out of that site!
Reading stripperweb, I've come to the conclusion that ONLY prudish women post there. Which is a shame because that's the point of view I care about the least. I understand it's a site for dancers. But it seems to be only for the air dancers and goody goody shitty dancers that most customers shouldn't give the time of day. The down and dirty dancers we know and love have no representation and that sucks. I wish someone would start a site just for extras providers, LDK givers, and the likes. I'd read the fuck out of that site!
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But it jibes with my own experiences talking with San Francisco dancers.
To make a long story short, if a guy treats them like a civilian and wants to DATY them or fuck their brains out, they love it. They say they don't kiss, but under those circumstances they demonstrably reverse themselves. They like guys who like them. They are after all, just ordinary girls.
But for guys who want ejaculation services, they don't really like that, especially LDKing.
They hustle for dances, not because that is really how they like it, but because that is how they make money.
SJG
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You say that from 'speaking with dancers' that they love being treated like a civilian, receiving DATY, and getting their brains fucked out
out. Which sounds suspect because it's the same thing you preach over and over. Meanwhile from dancers I've LDK'd with and sat and talked with after, they've flat out told me it happens quite a bit and that they if they get any on them it's nothing a baby wipe or at most a change of outfit can't fix. Then again I have to give myself some credit as I usually get test dances from my favorites in a club and usually pick the one who seems like she's the type who gets down and dirty in the VIP.
In the end let's not kid ourselves, it's all about the money. Even if the girl agrees to OTC with you, it's because she feels that you're not a serial killer/rapist and you won't flake out with the money. It's not because you're some player or good looking dude.
SJG you always say for folks to keep seeing the dancers regularly outside of the club like any dancer will agree to that. They all certainly will not agree to that. All I'm saying is that the ones that do, it's not because you're treating them as a civilian or giving them front room make out sessions. It's because they're confident you'll come through with the cash, and the feel safe enough, plain and simple.
They don't come right out and say this to casual customers, its reserved for people they are becoming close to.
And also, the same applies to the former SF dancers who we get many of in the South Bay. If one is close to them, they will talk. They don't like ejaculation seekers who don't feel strongly enough attracted to the girl to want to pursue reciprocal intimacies.
They consider the LDK seekers to be perverts. They are right!
They are ordinary girls, allowing guys to get LDK, just for the money. But that is not what they like.
SJG
So out of curiosity, these conversations you had with dancers: did you specifically bring up LDKers to these dancers during one of your front room make out sessions? Just seems to be a weird topic to just come up in a casual conversation with a dancer. I certainly cant see a dancer bringing up to a customer how she hates guys that come in their pants. Which club were you at when you had this conversation? I'd it was any in the Bay Area then I could care less as Bay Area clubs are garbage to the 30th power.
The clubs where at spoke with dancers after LDKing were all Vegas clubs (Treasures, Sapphire, Crazy Horse III,and Rhino). In all those cases the girl was sitting in my lap after I LDK'd. That turned me on even more. And the only one that had any remote inkling of concern over an LDK was the Rhino chick. And it was only because she knew it meant she wasn't gonna be getting any more money from me. I laughed and told her I'll be hanging around recharging. I had money for two more rounds so if she was still there I'd find her again. Which she did check on me a few times while I was still recouping but by that time I had found a new target and wanted to try her out.
Anyhow it goes completely against what you claim your dancers told you, SJG. Which to me simply means us LDK guys only need to find a willing participant and it's all good.
SJG
When you meet a dancer in a strip club and attempt to get her OTC, if you're paying her any kind of money to spend time with her you are NOT treating her like a civilian. Plain and simple. That what you don't get.
Sorry, ladies. You'd have to be super-duper charming for me to even consider continuing to get dances if you're not giving me halfway decent contact. And I sure as heck ain't considering going to VIP with you.
I'll get a dance or two with a girl who's good conversation and good on the pole sometimes, but that will be it. But for VIP, I better be getting good contact.
I love how out of touch with what actually happens in clubs that site can be sometimes.
I would think any guy would think like this. And the girls that offer up those shitty, barely any contact or grinding dances would never get any business. But either there are a bunch of male suckas out there or these girls are straight up lying about what they allow in a dance.
For me if there's any semblance of air dancing or limited contact it's one and done. And there's ALWAYS another dancer just as fine willing to let your hands roam and grind you properly till you explode.
Now as to the thread topic, although there is clearly a significant population of LDK strippers that are fine with it, there will always be strippers that abhor it and that is why there's that thread over at SW. I don't deny that LDK isn't for all strippers and so I understand why there's that thread.
But moreover and tied to it is that there are strippers that simply don't like dick in their real life. These are likely the ones in the thread that are extremely anti LDK and, as you say, prudish. In my experience and in general, the better LDK strippers actually like guys in their civie life, and LDK PLs should avoid strippers that simply don't like dick. It's not going to be good odds that they like to LDK. I don't know why these women are even in the business of stripping, but I see the differences out here in Portland because this town is full of lesbians. And some are strippers. It's not a coincidence to me that every single one of my LDQs that were cool with LDKing have been straight or bi. Never a true lesbian.
Can you imagine if we straight PLs were dancers for other gay men at a gay men strip club? Would we want to rub our asses on some other gay man's boner on a regular basis? For any amount of money? This is what is going on with a lot of those SW prudes you mentioned. They dance for the money and likely to hook up with other strippers. They don't really like the part that requires a horny man groping on them and putting his dick so close to them, LDK or not.
Again I say this as a generality only. I understand that there are exceptions. But in my PL experience I tend to avoid strippers that don't like dick because I personally don't want to make them uncomfortable just because I'm a man with hard dick poking into them. I've had plenty of mutually good times getting dances and VIPs with straight strippers, TYVM, so I will pass on any that I know would rather always be with another woman. LOL those strippers are for female PLs!
Now that said, yes there is also the anti jizz anti LDK stripper. My ATF DS is one of those types. But once I fully understood this and guaranteed that I would never get even a drop of jizz on her, she's been awesome about LDKing with me. "Just keep me clean," is all she wants which I totally understandable. One rule of PL LDKing is "keep your jizz your own biz". Once I guaranteed that, my mileage and civie spooning and dick tease time has gone up a notch.
So to me I just keep supporting and giving all my business to LDK strippers and let the market supply and demand take care of itself. As long as we PLs don't give business to the anti LDK strippers, then hopefully they fall out of the market and get less business. And of course I avoid true lesbian strippers like the plague.
As for the anti LDK stuff, I realize not every dancer will be ok with it. But if you read that site solely it would make you think LDKs are not only unicorn rare, but the worst thing ever. When from personal experience as well as postings from you and numerous other members on here is clearly not the case. It also frustrates me that there are PLs out there putting up with shitty air dances and no grinding. We pay good money for this short entertainment, we might as well get something. PLs wasting money on no contact, no grinding dances makes me plain sad. As Papi Chulo always says, we're the ones with the money and thus in control of what type of experience we want at the club. It's up to us to put a stop to insane $12 Gatorade drink hustles for a dancer you just started talking to 5 seconds ago. It's also up to us to stop empowering these GPS chicks by not buying their lame ass dances.
Also why is it that in over half the Portland clubs that I go to I have found a stripper that knowingly LDKed me? Why did they just ask me with a big smile, "so did you just come?"
LDKs have been happening in strip clubs since there were strip clubs. Any stripper in denial about this is truly clueless.
And someone said this before but a highly moderated site like SW has a controlled content agenda. I have seen this on other sites for sports and cars. SW is controlling its content to create a "reality" of stripping that likely draws a certain type of stripper to it that believes in that "reality". If they control it on the site so much, then maybe they can create that in the club itself. And maybe they can even convince a novice PL lurker that that is what strip clubs are really like too.
LMAO come to think of it, SW is a lot like that blathering idiot. An alternate reality is at the core, created by only believing in that "reality".
And before I forget: Fuck SJG for trying to tell the rest of us how to have fun in strip clubs!
Is there another site for dancers somewhere? One where the type of dancers we like post?
LDKing really is about control. When you can make yourself get close to nutting early in 1-2 songs is absolutely the best way to have toe curling LDKs. Once you know you are near your edge, then from there you just control yourself from coming as long as you want, and then you just ride that constant and raging boner and enjoy it at your leisure (or LMAO budget limit) until you WANT to LDK.
The other way is when you are fighting to get hard and then stay hard and then LDK as soon as you can and almost force it because you may not get another boner again before you run out of money or time. These LDKs are nice but not as nice.
Over the last two weeks I have been splurging on 1/2 hr VIPs with my ATF DS. Before every session we spoon and she teases my boner with her ass cheeks and I play with her ass on my dick for 20 min as we hang out and talk. I get so horny for her even before the VIP. And then when we go and I am already so excited that I am fighting LDKing within 5 minutes, so then I am on edge almost the entire time and constantly on the verge of coming. And so when I finally can't resist anymore the final release is intense. Also LOL for the last 6 VIPs, I didn't keep the time but every single LDK was at 25 min on the dot. My ATF DS noted my consistency and I told her it's all about control.
And yeah I too feel sorry for guys that can't LDK. They are missing out on good ITC fun. A really good LDK to me is pretty much on par with a blow job, and so it is great to LDK for as little as $40. An LDK with an 8+ for < $100 is winning at PL LIFE as far as I'm concerned.
If LDKing is a "chump's game", then call me Donald PL Chump! LMAO at dipshits that knock it. That's too bad for them that they have some issue with it.
I get why folks knock LDKing as it's not a great sounding thing to jizz your pants. But for me there's far worse things than a mess in my shorts. Especially when the process to get there was so enjoyable.
I can see the excitement in trying various dancers before going to VIP with "the one". There is the fantasy of being the stud that every stripper wants, but only the hottest and sexiest is for you.
I've been very lucky by finding my ATF DS. She's almost too good to be true. I am having the best LDKs in my PL LIFE! ever since I met her.
And jizz in pants? A minor inconvenience at worst. Just leave the club right after or wipe up in the restroom. A dude should not have much issue with getting a little jizz on himself for a few minutes.
I can see how some experienced strippers have never seen or experienced it but wow if that is 100% true, I laugh at how much business they probably lost out on because of it! The logic of making him just keep getting dances and never LDKing is better than him LDKing and then stopping is totally flawed. An LDK customer is easy money. He's likely going to get more than one dance. And he's likely going to come back for more at a later date. And an experienced one can spot an anti-LDK ROB in one 1-2 songs. It's simple, if the intensity level and mileage of a dance gets progressively less and less as time goes by, then a smart PL LDKer is going to move on quickly. And honestly it's not that hard to get a feel for your dancer's true intentions by the dance itself and the look on her face. So no it is absolutely not good business sense to prevent a PL from LDKing. Those dancers are losing business by avoiding a known segment of customers.
So LMAO at the stupid strippers telling others that they danced too good if they made the guy LDK. Some were advising to even back off their tease dance? Wow just tell them to end future business then.
And the audacity of some of them in judging other strippers as whores if they LDK a PL. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. LOL at strippers taking a moral high ground over another. Don't judge in a strip club. It's irony if you do.
And wow let's not possibly make it a discussion about how it makes a customer actually happy. This is that dick disgust that I was getting at earlier. Whatever happened to enjoying your work because it makes men happy? It's a novel concept but might also be good business to have this attitude.
Meaning, no stripper is going to post (even anonymously) that she ends her shift carrying more DNA samples than a Chicago crime lab.
Of course, the flip side of that perspective is that the same can be said about the PLs who post here.
The SW girls are NOT a random sample; they seem like the bottom of the barrel when it comes to 'entertainment'. I bet half of them ask for a tip for an air dance.
Maybe the girl is offering that on the menu, so it gets talked about openly. But maybe she is not, and so it is not talked about, but the girl can still feel that that is what the guy wants. And she will respect him for that.
If a guy wants her, that will make her feel good about herself. The other girls get attention and money, and it makes her feel good when she gets that.
Feeding a girl money, when she is working in a strip club and expects it does not mean that one is treating her different than they would treat any other woman. It is simply a show of respect, as she expects to get money for her time. Otherwise she would not be able to be there, and all dolled up. She would have to be doing something worthless, like working with the Dougsters in Finance, Insurance, or Real Estate. She needs to be able to pay her bills, and so you give her money. Wives get money. GF's of rich guys get money.
And I mean if you like a girl, wouldn't you want to be spending long nights with her, so that you can fuck her multiple times, and sometimes disturb her sleep?
If a guy goes into a strip club and all he wants is LDK, the girls will consider him to be a creep, and rightly so.
Our local clubs are much lower mileage, zero mileage, and so it is sometimes very easy to talk to the girls, and sometimes for free. Most of the girls are about 5x as smart as most of the guys they deal with. I have known and spent long hours talking with many such.
But even at the SF clubs, if it is one where the girls are not getting physical in the front room ( read Deja Vu ), then even though they are trying to sell dances, it is often still possible to spend time talking with them. And sometimes at little or no cost.
If you treat the girl just as you would any other woman, and show respect for the fact that she expects to be raking in money, often she will really open up to you.
Strip clubs a highly contrived places. And once lap dancing got redefined from front room lap sitting, to a costly service performed in a booth, they became even more contrived. They are well oiled machines for separating marks from their money.
But the good side is that the young women are real. They actually are what they appear to be. To see this, all you need to do is treat them like you would any other woman, and find ways to her off script right from the start.
SJG
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w.r.t. SW; yeah it seems there is usually a very narrow range of opinions accepted on their thus one hears mostly the same-thing - but I'm not so sure they are that far-off on *everything* they say - i.e. I always see posted on TUSCL "well I never meet any strippers that act like the SW strippers or say what the SW strippers say" - and in mind I'm thinking of course not - strippers will rarely tell us what's really on their minds thus most PLs walk around thinking these strippers love what they do for us PLs - most don't IMO, they just can't say it to our faces; it's part of the job - I imagine the SW girls actually do a lot more than they say on SW b/c they have to (unless they work in an air-dance club) - but I also think many of the negative things they say about custies is what most dancers feel/think but can't say nor demonstrate to custies.
But also, dancers don't think much of guys who want that, as opposed to DFK, DATY, and multiple round all night long fucking their brains out.
SJG
SJG
Notwithstanding jizz OTP, it's really not a big deal amongst strippers that knowingly do it as part of the business (legal or not) of being a stripper. Seriously, as usual SJG is making huge sweeping and rambling claims that dancers like this or that and blah blah blah about wanting more. The ones that LDK custies are simply at work at a club based on the market demand for it. This is no different than SJG paying strippers to fuck him like he perceives it *if* he actually does what he is claiming is more superior to PL LIFE than LDKsexperienced
Anyway what I was saying is that an LDK is the same as the business of fucking strippers. No different. They provide a fantasy to a man and LMAO SJG is so wrapped up in the fantasy it had become his singular reality with strippers.
LDKs, extras, FS, mileage, rail tips, civie time, lap dances, air dances are all just menu items to fulfill a fantasy for PLs. It's not any deeper than this.
Anyway, as far as acceptance of LDK, I haven't had an issue yet. The main concern is making sure jizz is contained. Once they realize it's not an issue, LDK isn't an issue. A few have wanted extra tip if they can tell that's what I'm trying to achieve, stopping dances and clarifying if I want LDK they want extra. That's the "worst" response so far, demand for tip.
Based on the dancers I've asked about it, it seems LDK occurrences are definitely more frequent than rare. Basically "oh yeah, I have guys that have done (or do) that."
LOL for the last couple of times after I LDKed after fixing my OTP issue she felt my dick to confirm I was dry OTP and smiled at me when I said, "See? All dry now."
Buying dances is for chumps.
Paying for ejaculation services is simply paying to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.
SJG
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And the strippers that I LDK with have fun doing it too.
Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump.
You do what you do, fine. It doesn't hurt me, it helps. Because the girls can't stand guys like you. So I'll be able to have which ever one I want, and be spending night after night with her.
SJG
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And then when the girls are extremely nice to me and really open up and get DFKing with me and want me to fuck them and take them home with me to continue, you can say that I am lying.
I don't care. I don't care about you because you are an idiot.
I do have feelings for the dancers you are creeping out by asking for LDKing. But strip clubs are full of such guys, and the girls are at least 18yo.
SJG
it exists only in his imagination and besides all the hat dancers are slim young boys so no, i don’t think it can count
Also I posted this earlier based on the SW thread: most LDK PLs are good for several dances and not many will keep spending beyond that so a stripper that denies dancing for an LDK PL is missing out on a solid set of dances. Plus, the ROB game of trying to extend dances is a "chumpette's game". It doesn't work. An LDK PL will move on and a non-LDK PL won't be getting a bunch of dances either. It's a terrible stripper business model.
And Sir you seem to have brought out a side of SJG that I've never seen. It used to be that he didn't respond back with plain insults. Also the whole 'I care about the girls you're trying to LDK with' statement looks just plain pathetic coming from him. Like he somehow knows every dancer we LDK with and he's deeply hurt because he cares about her, unlike us evil LDKers. It's like he thinks that his imaginary DFK sessions in the front room is gonna win a stripper over into a relationship or something.
Lastly, Chessmaster I agree with your assessment about buying dances in the Bay Area. Just not worth it. Once again it's a good thing they suck so bad. It makes the strip club a much rarer and special visit for me. I save plenty of money to go nuts when I do go. I got three trips planned next year, the highlight of that being SoCal for both COI and TJ. I can't fucking wait!
So anyway I appreciate that you've been entertained. Like I said, I'm here to yuk it up with like minded PLs.
Oh and also yeah I totally agree with you and chessmaster about the Bay Area clubs. They royally suck. That is where I became a PL. San Jose and the South Bay have nothing but air dance / minimal contact clubs and bikini bars (I've been to the Pink Poodle, the old Kit Kat Club, AJs, the Brass Rail) and then in San Fran the prices are ridiculous (I've been to Deja Vu, New Century Theatre, Mitchell Bros, Gold Club).
But LOL I think the silver lining becoming a PL there is that I learned to LDK quickly because of the SF prices. And also if there's one thing SF clubs have in high volume is LDK strippers. An LDK ain't shit at Mitchell Bros. But it will still cost you.
The dancers aren't always the sharpest tool in the tool shed. I agree there. Some are pretty cunning but many aren't.
A couple of my past LDK ATFs were the #1 money makers at their respective clubs. Since I was one of their PL regulars I go to know them as an ITC friend and also talk the business (including their own "menus" offered) with them from both customer and stripper viewpoints. Both of them didn't have any issue with LDKs notwithstanding the jizz OTP issue. They understood it as part of the business. And I'm pretty sure neither one was an extras or OTC stripper either. They made their money off ITC high mileage activities. And they made a lot of money because they understood how to give a man the fantasy he wants but still maintain their personal boundaries. They were smart and realistic about their customers.
The prudes at SW are probably prudish and bitter because they aren't really that good at what they do but yet they won't change their attitude and business model to improve their business. And LMAO like you said they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
And also we do have an on again and off underground. The girls that work that are great, and in those venues, most all the girls do all the OTC they can get.
We have good AMPs, but San Francisco's AMPs are better because they have less fear of LE. The girls dress and act more slutty, so they do a higher percentage of FS, and hence they are more accustomed to GFE sessions. Most all of the girls in these AMPs are very happy to be seeing guys outside, and they love overnighters.
San Francisco is too expensive, but there is also something even more serious wrong with it, making the places into clip joints by forcing the intimate contact into the back rooms. That destroys choreography of your interaction with the girl. Much of this problem is directly traceable to Deja Vu, but it is also because of the high San Francisco rents which tend to favor a Deja Vu style operator.
But of course its fine for chumps like SirLapDance, who just buy dances and let the girl do them. SirLapDance keeps clip joints in business.
SJG
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But idiots talking about LDKing on a message board, sometimes more idiots follow them.
SJG
It would be a shame if there were only one tolerated opinion like on SW.
But idiots talking about LDKing on a message board, sometimes more idiots follow them.
SJG"
^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."
SJG
If it bothers someone - why go and read a discussion and try to change others opinions? This is the Internet - and opinions rarely change here.
SJG
SJG"
^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."
SJG"
^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."
SJG
SJG
^^^^^^^^^ SirLapdance is why we have Deja Vu clip joints, and Tijuana has front room GFE auditions.
SJG"
^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."
SJG
that psycho san_jose_guy is INCAPABLE of ignoring anything posted here due to his severe case of autism
SJG"
^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."