Anti LDK stripperweb thread

The girl posting maybe an inexperienced dancer. That is why she is asking.

But it jibes with my own experiences talking with San Francisco dancers.

To make a long story short, if a guy treats them like a civilian and wants to DATY them or fuck their brains out, they love it. They say they don't kiss, but under those circumstances they demonstrably reverse themselves. They like guys who like them. They are after all, just ordinary girls.

But for guys who want ejaculation services, they don't really like that, especially LDKing.

They hustle for dances, not because that is really how they like it, but because that is how they make money.

SJG

^^^^^^^^ And that is because 98% of the guys they deal with are chumps.

SJG

I wonder if the ones that oppose LDK ever figure out why certain customers never get dances from them. Or why the customer they thought really liked them cause they "teased" 6 or 7 dances out of him never gets dances from her again?

Impossible for pretty girls to con or take advantage of a man who treats them in a civilian manner.

SJG

Usually SJG I'd just ignore you because you always post the same repetitive opinionated bullshit. But since this post you 'say' is based off of talking with dancers, I'll retort with what I hear from dancers.

You say that from 'speaking with dancers' that they love being treated like a civilian, receiving DATY, and getting their brains fucked out out. Which sounds suspect because it's the same thing you preach over and over. Meanwhile from dancers I've LDK'd with and sat and talked with after, they've flat out told me it happens quite a bit and that they if they get any on them it's nothing a baby wipe or at most a change of outfit can't fix. Then again I have to give myself some credit as I usually get test dances from my favorites in a club and usually pick the one who seems like she's the type who gets down and dirty in the VIP.

In the end let's not kid ourselves, it's all about the money. Even if the girl agrees to OTC with you, it's because she feels that you're not a serial killer/rapist and you won't flake out with the money. It's not because you're some player or good looking dude.

SJG you always say for folks to keep seeing the dancers regularly outside of the club like any dancer will agree to that. They all certainly will not agree to that. All I'm saying is that the ones that do, it's not because you're treating them as a civilian or giving them front room make out sessions. It's because they're confident you'll come through with the cash, and the feel safe enough, plain and simple.

Joc13 if I cared to make a stripper web account that's what I intended to post. All the dancers in that thread talking about no one ever LDKs with them and chastising dancers who say it happens to them saying they need to tone down their dances. I'm just wondering,who the hell is getting dances from these girls bragging that they barely grind and mostly airdance? I need to have a heart to heart with these men and let them know there's better strippers out there. Non grinding dancers should not be making money IMO.

"You say that from 'speaking with dancers' that they love being treated like a civilian, receiving DATY, and getting their brains fucked out"

They don't come right out and say this to casual customers, its reserved for people they are becoming close to.

And also, the same applies to the former SF dancers who we get many of in the South Bay. If one is close to them, they will talk. They don't like ejaculation seekers who don't feel strongly enough attracted to the girl to want to pursue reciprocal intimacies.

They consider the LDK seekers to be perverts. They are right!

They are ordinary girls, allowing guys to get LDK, just for the money. But that is not what they like.

SJG

Sorry man, but I've seen hundreds of your posts saying g the same thing. So it's hard to believe a word you're saying in regards to dancers telling you this. The fact that you have no reviews and have no posts speaking of specific interactions with dancers makes this even harder to believe.

So out of curiosity, these conversations you had with dancers: did you specifically bring up LDKers to these dancers during one of your front room make out sessions? Just seems to be a weird topic to just come up in a casual conversation with a dancer. I certainly cant see a dancer bringing up to a customer how she hates guys that come in their pants. Which club were you at when you had this conversation? I'd it was any in the Bay Area then I could care less as Bay Area clubs are garbage to the 30th power.

The clubs where at spoke with dancers after LDKing were all Vegas clubs (Treasures, Sapphire, Crazy Horse III,and Rhino). In all those cases the girl was sitting in my lap after I LDK'd. That turned me on even more. And the only one that had any remote inkling of concern over an LDK was the Rhino chick. And it was only because she knew it meant she wasn't gonna be getting any more money from me. I laughed and told her I'll be hanging around recharging. I had money for two more rounds so if she was still there I'd find her again. Which she did check on me a few times while I was still recouping but by that time I had found a new target and wanted to try her out.

Anyhow it goes completely against what you claim your dancers told you, SJG. Which to me simply means us LDK guys only need to find a willing participant and it's all good.

Stupid fuck!^^^

If you treat the girls as you would any other woman, things go very well with them. You don't have to believe me, because I don't care what you think.

SJG

SJG you yourself have admitted that you feed girls money in the front room to continue your make out sessions. Right there, you're not treating her like a civilian. A civilian girl you don't directly give money to have a make out session. You sweet talk her, you take her out to the movies, dinner, things like that. When you take her to the park and make out, or take her home and make out, you don't have to pay her any hourly rate or pay. It's the perk of dating a civilian.

When you meet a dancer in a strip club and attempt to get her OTC, if you're paying her any kind of money to spend time with her you are NOT treating her like a civilian. Plain and simple. That what you don't get.

That thread is hilarious.

Sorry, ladies. You'd have to be super-duper charming for me to even consider continuing to get dances if you're not giving me halfway decent contact. And I sure as heck ain't considering going to VIP with you.

I'll get a dance or two with a girl who's good conversation and good on the pole sometimes, but that will be it. But for VIP, I better be getting good contact.

I love how out of touch with what actually happens in clubs that site can be sometimes.

^^^^ this, plain and simple.

I would think any guy would think like this. And the girls that offer up those shitty, barely any contact or grinding dances would never get any business. But either there are a bunch of male suckas out there or these girls are straight up lying about what they allow in a dance.

For me if there's any semblance of air dancing or limited contact it's one and done. And there's ALWAYS another dancer just as fine willing to let your hands roam and grind you properly till you explode.

FWIW... IMO the SW comments seem to be mainly in the 'keep him spending" mindset

It can't be said often enough: Fuck those SW cunts! And while I'm at it, fuck SJG for the hyper-repetitive, mind-numbingly boring way he tells the other 98% of us (by his own admission) how to have fun in SCs!! I logged out just now long enough to read SJG's posts that others were referring to. It reminded me of how ignoring him and a few others has greatly heightened my enjoyment of this site. Use the ignore feature -- it is your friend!

Right on all accounts, Sir. Went all against what I decided with SJG and actually engaged his dumb ass. Brought back to reality real quick when I encountered the same problems. He doesn't respond to any questions you ask him. It took a PM from a trusted member on this site to bring me to my senses and just put SJG on ignore so as to not be bothered with any shit he has to say.

As for the anti LDK stuff, I realize not every dancer will be ok with it. But if you read that site solely it would make you think LDKs are not only unicorn rare, but the worst thing ever. When from personal experience as well as postings from you and numerous other members on here is clearly not the case. It also frustrates me that there are PLs out there putting up with shitty air dances and no grinding. We pay good money for this short entertainment, we might as well get something. PLs wasting money on no contact, no grinding dances makes me plain sad. As Papi Chulo always says, we're the ones with the money and thus in control of what type of experience we want at the club. It's up to us to put a stop to insane $12 Gatorade drink hustles for a dancer you just started talking to 5 seconds ago. It's also up to us to stop empowering these GPS chicks by not buying their lame ass dances.

Every day, at almost every strip club across the land, multiple customers have lapgasms. All strippers know that it happens and many welcome it, if only to get tips and repeat customers. Those of us "chumps" who enjoy this innocent pleasure should make sure to (a) keep our jizz off the lady and (b) tip her. Why, I lapgasmed myself last night after four very touchy-feely lappers with a busty Indiana farm girl. She certainly tried to make it happen and knew when it did. For my part, I kept my seed to myself and tipped her $20 on top of the $80 that I paid her. Everyone was a winner! Personally, I feel sorry for the studs who claim that they haven't cum in their pants since they were 15. I can and do last a long time in bed, where the goal is mutual pleasure, but during lap dances it's all about my pleasure.

And before I forget: Fuck SJG for trying to tell the rest of us how to have fun in strip clubs!

^^^ whoomp there it is! I have no doubt that even as I type, a customer somewhere is cumming in his pants from a lap dance right now.

Is there another site for dancers somewhere? One where the type of dancers we like post?

Ha, that's excellent Sir! I agree with all of it and I love the fact that you hold on until the 25 minute mark as well. I do the same damn thing. Except I don't have an ATF or anything. The build up for me is getting the test dances from different women to see which one I'm gonna take to VIP. By the time I pick one I'm nearly at the level of excitement you are with your ATF. Well, maybe not but somewhat lol.

I get why folks knock LDKing as it's not a great sounding thing to jizz your pants. But for me there's far worse things than a mess in my shorts. Especially when the process to get there was so enjoyable.

The dancers who post to (or are even aware of) SW are a small percentage of strippers compared to the total population. And, like most people posting online anonymously, they maintain a persona that is to some degree divorced from reality.

Meaning, no stripper is going to post (even anonymously) that she ends her shift carrying more DNA samples than a Chicago crime lab.

Of course, the flip side of that perspective is that the same can be said about the PLs who post here.

When I get to know a dancer really well I'll often ask them how often a guy will LDK. The answers range from almost never up to like 66%...the 'almost never' girls are more into the foreplay thing (hugs, stolen kisses and a slow grind) while the 66%ers are invariably the very athletic ones who absolutely are fine if you LDK.

The SW girls are NOT a random sample; they seem like the bottom of the barrel when it comes to 'entertainment'. I bet half of them ask for a tip for an air dance.

^ uggh. I hate it when these lame ass strippers ask for tips on top of mediocre or worse dances. I'm thinking, bitch, i already paid you for the dance; i only tip for exceptional and/or extra service, tough titties. Of course, i don't say that. If it's just above average or good, i might get an additional dance and if it's just average, one and done too, but i don't feel as ROBed. Of course some sucker will tip her and reinforce her behavior.

Girls like guys who like them. They respect a guy who wants to fuck them. Maybe it will happen ITC, or OTC, or maybe never, but they still respect a guy who wants that.

Maybe the girl is offering that on the menu, so it gets talked about openly. But maybe she is not, and so it is not talked about, but the girl can still feel that that is what the guy wants. And she will respect him for that.

If a guy wants her, that will make her feel good about herself. The other girls get attention and money, and it makes her feel good when she gets that.

Feeding a girl money, when she is working in a strip club and expects it does not mean that one is treating her different than they would treat any other woman. It is simply a show of respect, as she expects to get money for her time. Otherwise she would not be able to be there, and all dolled up. She would have to be doing something worthless, like working with the Dougsters in Finance, Insurance, or Real Estate. She needs to be able to pay her bills, and so you give her money. Wives get money. GF's of rich guys get money.

And I mean if you like a girl, wouldn't you want to be spending long nights with her, so that you can fuck her multiple times, and sometimes disturb her sleep?

If a guy goes into a strip club and all he wants is LDK, the girls will consider him to be a creep, and rightly so.

Our local clubs are much lower mileage, zero mileage, and so it is sometimes very easy to talk to the girls, and sometimes for free. Most of the girls are about 5x as smart as most of the guys they deal with. I have known and spent long hours talking with many such.

But even at the SF clubs, if it is one where the girls are not getting physical in the front room ( read Deja Vu ), then even though they are trying to sell dances, it is often still possible to spend time talking with them. And sometimes at little or no cost.

If you treat the girl just as you would any other woman, and show respect for the fact that she expects to be raking in money, often she will really open up to you.

Strip clubs a highly contrived places. And once lap dancing got redefined from front room lap sitting, to a costly service performed in a booth, they became even more contrived. They are well oiled machines for separating marks from their money.

But the good side is that the young women are real. They actually are what they appear to be. To see this, all you need to do is treat them like you would any other woman, and find ways to her off script right from the start.

SJG

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I imagine many, if not most, dancers, being anti-LDK due to the potential of it (cum) coming into contact w/ them - I can see most-women thinking a stranger's jizz is gross (hell even their S.O.'s jizz).

w.r.t. SW; yeah it seems there is usually a very narrow range of opinions accepted on their thus one hears mostly the same-thing - but I'm not so sure they are that far-off on everything they say - i.e. I always see posted on TUSCL "well I never meet any strippers that act like the SW strippers or say what the SW strippers say" - and in mind I'm thinking of course not - strippers will rarely tell us what's really on their minds thus most PLs walk around thinking these strippers love what they do for us PLs - most don't IMO, they just can't say it to our faces; it's part of the job - I imagine the SW girls actually do a lot more than they say on SW b/c they have to (unless they work in an air-dance club) - but I also think many of the negative things they say about custies is what most dancers feel/think but can't say nor demonstrate to custies.

Yes, some don't like LDKing because it could contact them.

But also, dancers don't think much of guys who want that, as opposed to DFK, DATY, and multiple round all night long fucking their brains out.

SJG

They like to be treated like ordinary women, and by guys who know how to do that.

SJG

That thread is funny. Advocating for air dance because "guys are visual" and that the guy should only get hard at the most, lol.

Anyway, as far as acceptance of LDK, I haven't had an issue yet. The main concern is making sure jizz is contained. Once they realize it's not an issue, LDK isn't an issue. A few have wanted extra tip if they can tell that's what I'm trying to achieve, stopping dances and clarifying if I want LDK they want extra. That's the "worst" response so far, demand for tip.

Based on the dancers I've asked about it, it seems LDK occurrences are definitely more frequent than rare. Basically "oh yeah, I have guys that have done (or do) that."

Dancers do not like guys who come looking for LDKing. They like guys who treat them like ordinary women and who want to be fucking them, and fucking them regularly.

Buying dances is for chumps.

Paying for ejaculation services is simply paying to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.

SJG

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^^^^^^ You are the chump, because you obviously have lost sense of what an ordinary civilian sexual encounter with a woman is like.

You do what you do, fine. It doesn't hurt me, it helps. Because the girls can't stand guys like you. So I'll be able to have which ever one I want, and be spending night after night with her.

SJG

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SirDickHead, you do what you want and think what you want.

And then when the girls are extremely nice to me and really open up and get DFKing with me and want me to fuck them and take them home with me to continue, you can say that I am lying.

I don't care. I don't care about you because you are an idiot.

I do have feelings for the dancers you are creeping out by asking for LDKing. But strip clubs are full of such guys, and the girls are at least 18yo.

SJG

Hilarious! That sjg is something else.

Sjg, if you lived elsewhere, would you reconsider your stance? I'll say this. If you do buy lapdances in san jose(airdances) or sunnyvale(or san francisco, for those prices), you are a chump!

@chessmaster. san_jose_guy does not and has never gone to any strip clubs. if his mother's basement were located in bangkok he still would never know the touch of a woman

What about the mexican hat dancing circuit? That counts at least.

@chessmaster “What about the mexican hat dancing circuit? That counts at least.”

it exists only in his imagination and besides all the hat dancers are slim young boys so no, i don’t think it can count

@SirLapdancealot, I, incorrectly I might add, figured with SJG being a LIBERAL or a PROGRESSIVE that he might be open minded. He admitted himself that he does not have an open mind. He's entitled to his views.

PS: the SW slant is went a PL cums, he's more of less useless to the dancer at that point. I think that's it in a nutshell. Not all dancers think that way though. Some realize that such a PL is a potentially a valuable repeat customer [regular] who might represent a significant spender over a period of time.

Haha this thread is great! I blocked SJG so I wasn't seeing the comments you were responding to, Sir. But after coming back I was logged out and now I see. Funny stuff. That reply of your is gold and pretty damn true to be honest. Worrying about how other PLs have a fun in the club seems to be all he cares about actually.

And Sir you seem to have brought out a side of SJG that I've never seen. It used to be that he didn't respond back with plain insults. Also the whole 'I care about the girls you're trying to LDK with' statement looks just plain pathetic coming from him. Like he somehow knows every dancer we LDK with and he's deeply hurt because he cares about her, unlike us evil LDKers. It's like he thinks that his imaginary DFK sessions in the front room is gonna win a stripper over into a relationship or something.

Lastly, Chessmaster I agree with your assessment about buying dances in the Bay Area. Just not worth it. Once again it's a good thing they suck so bad. It makes the strip club a much rarer and special visit for me. I save plenty of money to go nuts when I do go. I got three trips planned next year, the highlight of that being SoCal for both COI and TJ. I can't fucking wait!

@SirLapdancealot, agreed. If your having fun in the back and forth with him, carry on.

The dancers aren't always the sharpest tool in the tool shed. I agree there. Some are pretty cunning but many aren't.

South Bay clubs suck. Its our tough DA's office and the overall politics. Though the clubs suck, the girls are nice and they are the beautiful young women they appear to be. Just, if you want more than looking and talking, you have to be seeing them outside.

And also we do have an on again and off underground. The girls that work that are great, and in those venues, most all the girls do all the OTC they can get.

We have good AMPs, but San Francisco's AMPs are better because they have less fear of LE. The girls dress and act more slutty, so they do a higher percentage of FS, and hence they are more accustomed to GFE sessions. Most all of the girls in these AMPs are very happy to be seeing guys outside, and they love overnighters.

San Francisco is too expensive, but there is also something even more serious wrong with it, making the places into clip joints by forcing the intimate contact into the back rooms. That destroys choreography of your interaction with the girl. Much of this problem is directly traceable to Deja Vu, but it is also because of the high San Francisco rents which tend to favor a Deja Vu style operator.

But of course its fine for chumps like SirLapDance, who just buy dances and let the girl do them. SirLapDance keeps clip joints in business.

SJG

Talking about LDKing on a message board makes SirLapdance look like a complete idiot.

SJG

I don't obsess about anything that goes on in strip clubs, because it does not effect me. I am not female.

But idiots talking about LDKing on a message board, sometimes more idiots follow them.

SJG

I'm not into the LDK thing, but I kind of like the idea of pluralism. Talking about LDKing here doesn't appear prevent others from talking about taking strippers to their home and pumping loads into them, for example.

It would be a shame if there were only one tolerated opinion like on SW.

And Sirlapdance does it, connecting his mouth to his asshole.

SJG

The best thing for someone who hates the idea of an LDK - is to ignore discussions about LDK.

If it bothers someone - why go and read a discussion and try to change others opinions? This is the Internet - and opinions rarely change here.

But promoting LDK in a public venue is offensive. It is idiotic. This started with some commentary on stripper web. The girls do not like it and they don't think much of the guys who seek it.

SJG

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is what happens when a guy is always seeking LDKing. It isn't just perverted, it turns a guy into a mutant.

SJG

^^^^^^^^^ SirLapdance is why we have Deja Vu clip joints, and Tijuana has front room GFE auditions.

SJG

The truth is - I know that I’m not going to change SJG’s view. I really don’t care to change his opinion. However, it would be very nice if he didn’t try to change mine!

^^^^^^ If a guy LDK's enough, he loses the ability to have real sex with beautiful young women. Often too he is cheating on his wife, and so she will be in need of a process server.

SJG

@Cashman1234 "The best thing for someone who hates the idea of an LDK - is to ignore discussions about LDK."

that psycho san_jose_guy is INCAPABLE of ignoring anything posted here due to his severe case of autism