Political discussions on TUSCL
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
Personally I don't think they belong on here. This site is supposed to be dedicated to the advancement of stripper fun, etc. So I avoid making comments as much as I can. Making remarks about presidential candidates that are inflammatory doesn't make for good rapport among members.
Having said that and knowing that I am not going to stop it, I would like to suggest that each person making such comments, show their party affiliation after their name. ie (D) (R) (I). That way I would have a better understanding of where they are coming from. I'll start by saying that I have never had any party affiliation.
Having said that and knowing that I am not going to stop it, I would like to suggest that each person making such comments, show their party affiliation after their name. ie (D) (R) (I). That way I would have a better understanding of where they are coming from. I'll start by saying that I have never had any party affiliation.
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heated.
oh shit never mind. that is so last century. after all obama has given the world a whole new language. raise your hands if you can speak Austrian..
you know, the Maldives are the islands that obama thinks the UK and Argentina fought a war over
I despise Cruz for his nutcases outlook on taxation.
I despise Hillary for her arrogance, her willful breaking of the law in keeping classified files on her personal computer, and her disdain for the armed forces that she may well be charged to lead. With luck, she may be charged with a felony before the convention.
I despise what both houses of Congress have become, a bunch of squabbling morons who care more about winning than what's good for the nation.
I have voted Democrat in the last two elections as the lesser of evils.
And finally, I despise that these bufoons have made me a cranky old man.
If I had to choose between the three, I guess I'd have to hold my nose and vote for her, but I'd hate myself for the next four years.
Besides, she already had her eight years.... ;-)
I am adding an obligatory candidate support statement: "I feel the BERN and voted for Sanders in the Michigan primary" to this response.
"she's the only candidate that can at least fill the chair."
Agreed that fat ass of her's will fill most chairs, unlike your brain and ethics barely filling a thimble.
Bernie Sanders socialist utopia is Cuba. Total Socialist control. It didn't work there and it doesn't work well anywhere that I know of.
Actually, I think the same could be said about the Republican party today. Not much cohesion there these days...
By the way I am a proper Conservative, not the same as the current shower of shit.
Fyi, I'm independent and have voted both sides of the aisle over the years.
Secondly, I voted for Sanders in the Nebraska caucus a couple weekends ago. I wouldn't be thrilled with Hillary as President, but it's better her than Trump or Cruz. I can't believe John Kasich is the Republicans last real hope.
By the way, Rubio dropped out. What was the point of him running?
However, Trump has forced me to break my resolution several times.
I think it is polite to preface any political discussions with "OT" so people can skip it if they want. It would be nice if no one engaged in overblown exaggerations and personal attacks, but that will never happen.
So writing on this website whatever is on my mind is cheaper than therapy.
But, I agree that the primary purpose of this site should be to help club going.
I often post rants about customer experiences that are negative. I feel it is my only weapon against
poor service. Managers just think your lying if you complain about a girl.
I don't come here for political debate or intrigue, so I pass by those threads (ironically, with the exception of this one).
But I also know that it's a losing proposition to moan about political or any other type of off-topic post.
Social security should have never been started in my opinion and it worked for the government great to start with because the retirement age was set about the time most people died so that the government only collected funds for the most part on it. Then people started living longer. If our government really wanted to help the people without grabbing all the funds to use for their own purposes, they could have mandated employers set up retirement funds with the same percentage of income as social security going into the funds and tie the government hands by not allowing the government to use the funds. Social security funds do not exist. It is a pay as you go system. Any funds are just a number in a computer. It's the biggest ponzi scheme in the world in that regard.
In fact, after Reagan's tax reform of 1986, the *top* federal income tax rate dropped to 28%, which is rather different from (like about half of) 50%.
The most interesting things in the world are politics, religion, and strip clubs. Why should this board be limited to just the third? Certainly politics is more interesting than what kind of shoes you wear!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/15/w…
It is true that Sanders is advocating going after the wealthy elites who dominate the economy by raising taxes, closing tax loopholes and placing tax havens off limits while at the same time doubling the minimum wage to help low-income earners. And it is true that he is proposing to also redistribute that wealth in the form of funding universal healthcare, tuition-free university and much-needed infrastructure projects. But none of this constitutes socialism.
Bernie Is Not a Socialist and America Is Not Capitalist
http://www.theatlantic.com/international…
SJG
http://www.sciencealert.com/a-canadian-p…
I think a basic income guarantee is mandatory. Capitalism is what creates unemployment. And Cecil Williams and the people who run Guild Memorial United Methodist Church in San Francisco have got it right. Poverty is caused by social marginalization.
So a corollary is simply this, everyone wants to do well. They want to win the admiration of family and friends. So if they are not doing well, then there must be some social marginalization or disability at work here. But as the main problem is marginalization, then we should not talk about disability, as usually this just means more marginalization.
And of course it is absurd that people should be accepting psychiatric labels. These are just an extreme form of oppression.
So for there to be justice there has to be this basic income guarantee, or what amounts to cradle to grave welfare.
The typical person on welfare takes far less out of our economy than those employed do. And if the welfare recipient is not driving around much in a car, then they are treading far more lightly on the earth than those who senselessly burn up gas and dump CO2 into the atmosphere to do jobs which produce absolutely nothing which people need to live.
Now welfare takes money out of gov't coffers, but in the US welfare has never been more than 3% of federal expenditure. This is much less than corporate welfare and other expenses directed to the betterment of the middle class in order to maintain political allegiance, or to keeping the poor down. So welfare is a cheaper way to keep our society going than the present state of affairs.
And then as far as federal accounts, it is the federal gov't which controls the printing press, the furnace, and interest rates which multiply the availability of money by the inverse of the interest rate. Suffice to say, federal accounts and the money supply are all under gov't control, hence it is artificial. It is just a matter of who and what are being served by it.
So as those who are not doing well are simply the victims of social injustice, we must redress this social injustice.
1. Stop using psychiatric labels, learning disability labels, or morality labels.
2. Offer people value producing work, not nonsense just to get a paycheck.
3. Provide this cradle to grave welfare system as efficiently as possible, and understand that everyone wants to be a useful and meaningful part of our society.
4. Follow my recommendation and hold parents accountable for exploiting their children, using them to give themselves a adult identity. This amounts to psychological child abuse. So besides criminal prosecution where practical, also prevent disinheritance and offer something like a divorce from one's parents when their is parent v child animosity. Make the parents pay, and pay dearly. Make it so that child exploitation no longer pays.
5. And for those who insist on calling the poor lazy or immoral, know that this is how Capitalism works. It is the family where this starts, with the designation of a child as the blacksheep. Those who denigrate the poor are just doing what their parents did to them. So the poor and marginalized need to start standing up for themselves rather than submitting. They and all of us must start engaging in public advocacy and non-violent civil disobedience.
6. And then since the New Economy and Libertarianism are really just the old Social Darwinism and Eugenics Movement, saying that the poor are not fit to compete, we all need to be prepared to do more than just be non-violent. We don't want to be like Anne Frank's father, hiding in an attic waiting for the Gestapo. We need to be ready to engage in guerrilla warfare, the use of lethal force, and without taking prisoners. Unless we are willing to do this, then we are helping the eugenicists who say that we are not fit to live. Gandhi and Jesus lived in violent revolutionary times. They were only able to accomplish their works because others were maintaining the constant threat of lethal violence on a large scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_…
SJG
www.sciencealert.com/a-canadian-province…
I think a basic income guarantee is mandatory. Capitalism is what creates unemployment. And Cecil Williams and the people who run Guild Memorial United Methodist Church in San Francisco have got it right. Poverty is caused by social marginalization.
So a corollary is simply this, everyone wants to do well. They want to win the admiration of family and friends. So if they are not doing well, then there must be some social marginalization or disability at work here. But as the main problem is marginalization, then we should not talk about disability, as usually this just means more marginalization.
And of course it is absurd that people should be accepting psychiatric labels. These are just an extreme form of oppression.
So for there to be justice there has to be this basic income guarantee, or what amounts to cradle to grave welfare.
The typical person on welfare takes far less out of our economy than those employed do. And if the welfare recipient is not driving around much in a car, then they are treading far more lightly on the earth than those who senselessly burn up gas and dump CO2 into the atmosphere to do jobs which produce absolutely nothing which people need to live.
Now welfare takes money out of gov't coffers, but in the US welfare has never been more than 3% of federal expenditure. This is much less than corporate welfare and other expenses directed to the betterment of the middle class in order to maintain political allegiance, or to keeping the poor down. So welfare is a cheaper way to keep our society going than the present state of affairs.
And then as far as federal accounts, it is the federal gov't which controls the printing press, the furnace, and interest rates which multiply the availability of money by the inverse of the interest rate. Suffice to say, federal accounts and the money supply are all under gov't control, hence it is artificial. It is just a matter of who and what are being served by it.
So as those who are not doing well are simply the victims of social injustice, we must redress this social injustice.
1. Stop using psychiatric labels, learning disability labels, or morality labels.
2. Offer people value producing work, not nonsense just to get a paycheck.
3. Provide this cradle to grave welfare system as efficiently as possible, and understand that everyone wants to be a useful and meaningful part of our society.
4. Follow my recommendation and hold parents accountable for exploiting their children, using them to give themselves a adult identity. This amounts to psychological child abuse. So besides criminal prosecution where practical, also prevent disinheritance and offer something like a divorce from one's parents when their is parent v child animosity. Make the parents pay, and pay dearly. Make it so that child exploitation no longer pays.
5. And for those who insist on calling the poor lazy or immoral, know that this is how Capitalism works. It is the family where this starts, with the designation of a child as the blacksheep. Those who denigrate the poor are just doing what their parents did to them. So the poor and marginalized need to start standing up for themselves rather than submitting. They and all of us must start engaging in public advocacy and non-violent civil disobedience.
6. And then since the New Economy and Libertarianism are really just the old Social Darwinism and Eugenics Movement, saying that the poor are not fit to compete, we all need to be prepared to do more than just be non-violent. We don't want to be like Anne Frank's father, hiding in an attic waiting for the Gestapo. We need to be ready to engage in guerrilla warfare, the use of lethal force, and without taking prisoners. Unless we are willing to do this, then we are helping the eugenicists who say that we are not fit to live. Gandhi and Jesus lived in violent revolutionary times. They were only able to accomplish their works because others were maintaining the constant threat of lethal violence on a large scale.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare
SJG
"I fear that an writing a requiem for myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0n…
www.sciencealert.com/a-canadian-province…
I think a basic income guarantee is mandatory. Capitalism is what creates unemployment. And Cecil Williams and the people who run Guild Memorial United Methodist Church in San Francisco have got it right. Poverty is caused by social marginalization.
So a corollary is simply this, everyone wants to do well. They want to win the admiration of family and friends. So if they are not doing well, then there must be some social marginalization or disability at work here. But as the main problem is marginalization, then we should not talk about disability, as usually this just means more marginalization.
And of course it is absurd that people should be accepting psychiatric labels. These are just an extreme form of oppression.
So for there to be justice there has to be this basic income guarantee, or what amounts to cradle to grave welfare.
The typical person on welfare takes far less out of our economy than those employed do. And if the welfare recipient is not driving around much in a car, then they are treading far more lightly on the earth than those who senselessly burn up gas and dump CO2 into the atmosphere to do jobs which produce absolutely nothing which people need to live.
Now welfare takes money out of gov't coffers, but in the US welfare has never been more than 3% of federal expenditure. This is much less than corporate welfare and other expenses directed to the betterment of the middle class in order to maintain political allegiance, or to keeping the poor down. So welfare is a cheaper way to keep our society going than the present state of affairs.
And then as far as federal accounts, it is the federal gov't which controls the printing press, the furnace, and interest rates which multiply the availability of money by the inverse of the interest rate. Suffice to say, federal accounts and the money supply are all under gov't control, hence it is artificial. It is just a matter of who and what are being served by it.
So as those who are not doing well are simply the victims of social injustice, we must redress this social injustice.
1. Stop using psychiatric labels, learning disability labels, or morality labels.
2. Offer people value producing work, not nonsense just to get a paycheck.
3. Provide this cradle to grave welfare system as efficiently as possible, and understand that everyone wants to be a useful and meaningful part of our society.
4. Follow my recommendation and hold parents accountable for exploiting their children, using them to give themselves a adult identity. This amounts to psychological child abuse. So besides criminal prosecution where practical, also prevent disinheritance and offer something like a divorce from one's parents when their is parent v child animosity. Make the parents pay, and pay dearly. Make it so that child exploitation no longer pays.
5. And for those who insist on calling the poor lazy or immoral, know that this is how Capitalism works. It is the family where this starts, with the designation of a child as the blacksheep. Those who denigrate the poor are just doing what their parents did to them. So the poor and marginalized need to start standing up for themselves rather than submitting. They and all of us must start engaging in public advocacy and non-violent civil disobedience.
6. And then since the New Economy and Libertarianism are really just the old Social Darwinism and Eugenics Movement, saying that the poor are not fit to compete, we all need to be prepared to do more than just be non-violent. We don't want to be like Anne Frank's father, hiding in an attic waiting for the Gestapo. We need to be ready to engage in guerrilla warfare, the use of lethal force, and without taking prisoners. Unless we are willing to do this, then we are helping the eugenicists who say that we are not fit to live. Gandhi and Jesus lived in violent revolutionary times. They were only able to accomplish their works because others were maintaining the constant threat of lethal violence on a large scale.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare
SJG
Beethoven's 9th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3217H8J…
SJG