Are clean dancers really at a disadvantage or is it SS ?

I thought Chi-town was suppose to be an extras no man's land?

P1: "I had another crappy night at my club last night"

P2: " I know why I haven't been able to break past $300 at this club."

Therefore: "There are a lot more extras going on than I thought. "

LOL.

When four Seattle strip clubs were closed by law enforcement action in 2010, many of the dancers that cooperated with authorities said that their ability to make money, abiding by the rules, was greatly hindered by those dancers that didn't. Many felt forced to offer extras just to survive, but didn't really want to "dance" like that.

I think it's probably a combination of stripper shit and truth. People love to blame others for their misfortunes, so I'm sure there's some self-fulfilling prophecies going on. But as in any job, some workers take advantage of their situation and do what they can to earn more. Work harder, extra hours, learn new skills, whatever. And of course those who don't do that feel slighted cuz the other guy is doing better.

In the strange world of strip clubs, the extra effort might include extras, or it just might include working harder or learning how to please customers or whatever it takes to get more tips. So for those girls who want to sit on their asses, they look for any excuse to blame someone else. But certainly there are situations where guys are looking for the nasty girls, and the good girls get less business. Hell, I'm a perfect example. If you're not hot, and don't give good mileage, you ain't gettin' shit from me.

No. I think ugly girls are at a disadvantage.

If a regular stripper is talking, it's probably bullshit. If a Stripperweb stripper is talking, it's guaranteed bullshit.

Customer input is essential to answering the question. Do you, as a customer, decline the offer of a dance if extras are not on the menu? If so, you are contributing to the gossip that girls who give extras make more money.

I don't ask for extras, if you ask me.

A stripper usually starts a convo with me this way "What brings you here?"

"I'm here for the best beer in town and these fine young ladies."

It all starts from there. Some ladies walk away, while some ladies stay keeping the convo going.

She would have to initiate the flirt (touching, caressing) before I move the moment to the next stage.

Girls that don't do extras in an extras club are still getting the benefit of the girls that do do extras. The extras girls bring the customers in but the non extras girls get their share from the guys looking to find the extras girls.

What are these "extras" of which you speak?

I hear non-extras girls in extras clubs complain about this a lot but that doesn't mean it's true. The non extras girls must do ok in those clubs because they are still working there when they complain. Maybe shadow is right, the extras girls bring in the customers and the non extras irls benefit from (1) guys that can't afford the extras, or (2) ripping off the inexperienced by making them falsely think they'll get extras in VIP when they won't.

I'm with Jack. These "Extras", do they happen to sit around all day just for 15 minutes of stage time? Does the director treat them like shit?

@Slick: Yes, Chicagoland is not an extras friendly area, but there are a few clubs close by that are. Hary in the south side has a few.

In an extras club, they shouldn't be working there if they're not willing. In a normal club I can see how a few girls doing extras will have lots of regulars which will hurt the others. My ATF is a top earner in her club and she doesn't do extras, at least not for money.

Some of it is certainly SS. The MILF I'm currently seeing OTC (and still not paying except for lunch and cab fare) doesn't seem to be doing extras in the club, and she's a top earner there.

In the other hand, one of the most attractive girls at another club known for its easy extras notes, without complaining about it, that she doesn't make nearly as as much as the extras girls there. She seems to be OK with that, though.

there's no such things as extras in NY. So any girl on SW that's bitching from NY are full of SS.

The girls not doing as well by not doing extras in an extras club should have nothing to complain about. The potential for income growth is available, they just don't want to have do what others are doing but get the same benifts for their lack of motivation. Sounds a lot like socialism to me.

“… What are these "extras" of which you speak …”

The normal – lettuce; tomato; mustard; mayo; …

In my PL opinion; I can see a dancer that wishes to do air-dances or not be touched; having a hard time making $$$.

But if she is wiling to do good mileage dances but not extras; there should be plenty of non-extras PLs she can get business from.

And it’s kinda shortsighted to blame the extras girls – it’s not as if the extras PL is going to give the non-extras girl his hundreds of dollars if he can’t find extras in the club; most likely he will not spend the $$$ if he can’t get what he wants.

"The normal – lettuce; tomato; mustard; mayo; …"

Ham on five, hold the Mayo

Cultural pop reference #14

Of course dancers who don't do extras in clubs where dancers do extras will tend to lose out on money. A guy looking for extras in a place where he can actually find extras is unlikely to pay to be teased.

"Of course dancers who don't do extras in clubs where dancers do extras will tend to lose out on money. A guy looking for extras in a place where he can actually find extras is unlikely to pay to be teased."

You are implying most customers are seeking extras. I don't agree to this logic because someone has to write the correct logic for me to agree.

I don't see the no-extra girls struggling. I do think the girls with limited menu's do make a little less than the girls who do more. In terms of them being better off w/o the competition from the extras girls, I think there is some merit to them making money on scraps from the extras girls, enough to outweigh any loss to them.

The way I look at it is, the majority of customers come in looking for lapdances that include some boob & ass grabbing. Those customers feel like they got a bonus if they got to suck a tittie, grab a monkey, or had a dancer grab their junk. As long as they get that level of service, they're happy and will keep coming back. They spend on the extra/non-extra girls alike, but the extra girls may sell an extra dancer or two due to aforementioned little bonuses. Then, there's the minority that come in looking for the whole enchilada. They spend on both girls, but quickly realize a bad investment and cut off the ones who show no potential of going forward. The money spent on them is what I'm calling scraps above. Those customers wouldn't be there without the extra girls, they'd visit massage parlors, escorts, etc.

I'd guess the scraps the limited menu girls make outweigh their losses to the full menu girls. So, the full menu girls are still making more, giving the perception that they're "hogging" all the money. However, the reality (in my very unscientific estimation) is those girls brought in that money and the limited menu girls are getting partial benefit of it. The net is, the limited menu girls are benefiting, not suffering from the availability of extras.

I used to train waitresses in the bar that I worked and at Bob Evans. Waitresses have two set points only Either it is "where are all the customers, I'm not making money" or "It's too damn busy ,why don't they go home?." I assume the dancers are the same. I don't always spend for extras and I still lay out the money so I am fine either way. I have had some very good dances from girls who never grabbed me or mine.

Extras in Alberta SCs are as common as 3-legged ostriches.

It sure doesn't stop dancers from making decent coin in my beloved Alberta clubs. I once had a long conversation with a touring Toronto dancer working at the Rig Pig club in Nisku ( a club with stage dances only, no private dances whatsoever). This dancer normally worked one of the Mississauga FS pus buckets. She told me that she made more money in 1 week at the Rig Pig doing 5 stage sets per day than she did in 1 month of HJs and BJs in her regular Mississauga pus bucket.

Who knows?..........but I sort of believe her. I once spent an entire evening in the old Rig Pig with a well-refreshed crew. During the horrid loonie/toonie toss for each dancer my 7 guys probably each tossed $15-$20 in loonies/toonies at the glistening vajayjays. The joint was packed that night with scores of other drunks tossing coins at the girls. Each dancer easily picked up $300/$400 for each dance set that I saw that evening.

Do the arithmetic.

Outside of extras hot spots, no not really. It might occasionally have a small impact elsewhere, but not much. I suspect a big part of it is just bitterness, so and so makes so much more than me each night she must be blowing guys.

Am I the only one who thought that clean dancers and ss was with regards to Spic n Spam?

@how: "A guy looking for extras in a place where he can actually find extras is unlikely to pay to be teased."

@alebegonz: "You are implying most customers are seeking extras."

No he's not. He's referring to a subset of guys and a subset of clubs, i.e. the guys who are looking for extras and places where extras can be found.

Geez, it's simple math....

100 customers in a club. 20 looking for extras. That leaves only 80 customers as potential for the "clean" girls.

Versus....

100 customers in a club. None looking for extras. That leaves all 100 customers as potential for the "clean" girls.

Geez, you'd think that alabengonz could have written that logic. It's 3rd grade shit.

Now that's not to say that the bottom line of the clean girls is really affected that much due to the extras (for a bunch of reasons), but at least it has the potential. We'll never know the actual effect, because it will vary by customer, dancer, etc. If she's ugly, customers aren't going to want her, and extras have nothing to do with it.

But again, strippers complaining and blaming others is otherwise meaningless for the reasons I already mentioned. Same shit, different stripper

Mr Spic sez: "Am I the only one who thought that clean dancers and ss was with regards to Spic n Spam?

It's Spic 'n Span, not spam. Although I was wondering if it actually was spam and I was just forgetting so I went to wiki-whatever and found this:

"a span was a wood chip, and such chips were used to make spoons. Something that was span-new was a freshly cut chip or, metaphorically, anything as new as a freshly cut chip. This term dates from at least 1300 in the metaphorical sense. Spick was added in the 16th century, though why is not exactly known - perhaps for the alliterative sense. A spick was a spike or nail, and something that was spick and span was neat and trim. The "clean" sense appears to have arisen only recently"

Interesting. You always think of spic 'n span as clean, but never knew why. Now you know.

No extra charge guys...

When asked if they do extras a smart non extra dancer would say, Get 2 dances with me and I'll tell you who, does, extras.

"Geez, you'd think that alabengonz could have written that logic. It's 3rd grade shit. "

Geez, now I'm back to third grade.

The so called nonextras strippers are benefitting from the extras strippers. I go to my local strip club in the daytime where extras are readily available. Towards the end of the month, many nonextras girls will migrate from the night shift where extras are less and competition is fierce, and move to the dayshit when they know that guys come in the daytime for extras. These nonextras strippers try to leach off the extras customers. A guy may not have enough money to pay for the entire enchalada, but may give some dollars to the nonextra stripper if she is beautiful and give a high mileage regular strip dance. If the nonextra stripper is so hot, she should not attempt to work dayshift. She must compete in the fishbowl at niight with other nonextra strippers.