ethical question

Not sure about ethics but I would say as long as you are fresh and willing to do anything and everything when he arrives back from his business it really doesn't matter.

Unless you are in a committed relationship with the guy (not) or there is something in your deal that says you are only doing him on this trip, I don't see the issue. He may see an issue because he is paying for everything so he may consider you his exclusive play toy. If you mess with this other guy, make sure you keep it on the DL or you could end up paying for your own ticket back.

Make sure to pick guys at the pool/beach with the same skin, hair & eye colour as your sugar daddy. If he's really as dumb as you seem to think he is, he might not ask for a DNA test in nine months.

I'm with the consensus. If there was nothing in your "agreement" then this is not an ethical question. It's rather a question of whether the businessman will find out or not and if so how will your businessman will react and how that will affect your income for this trip and the future. So just weigh all the outcomes with their probabilities and decide what is best.

Unless there was something specific in the agreement, but still....

be completely safe, he doesn't deserve an STI for his money.

be completely available to him. No being too tired by the time it is his turn.

All the comments posted are correct. But do you really want to take the chance of screwing this up? Unless you have a line of guys at home wanting to spend this type of money on you, it would be a bad idea. If he is spending like this trip i'm sure he is doing plenty at home too. Is it worth losing his business completely? Just saying.

I see the potential for a 2AMer in paradise.

Or would that be like a 8AMer EST?

Calling 5-0. Book'em Danno

lol. first of all, bought my own ticket and he aleady reimbursed me, so i'm good there! second, got my fee in advance! third, hey, i'm a professional, i've never been "too tired" for a client. 4th, he's wrapped around my finder pretty tight... i know just what he wants and how to give it to him. 5th, nine months is not an issue, i'm unable to conceive. finally, hell, maybe he's up for a threesome?

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

I would tread carefully because he might view it as disrespectful and if his associates see you with others, well he might have powerful friends just sayin.

Baby I pay that kind of money that pink little pussy is all mine ......keep that Shit all his unless of course your handing him the money as his return on his investment....then its dif

Why would any guy invite a girl to accompany him on a trip unless it was for companionship?

If I caught you fucking other guys,

1. It would be your last trip with me, and

2. You would find your own room for the rest of the trip.

I don't pay escorts to fuck other guys while I am out of the room whether its for 1 hour or 8 hours. Unless this guy knows what you really do and doesn't give a shit, then you owe him loyality while on the "trip".

Dear puzzled in paradise,

Hawaii is where people go to get lei'd.....so lay back and enjoy.


warmest regards,
Hawaiian Lei's, Inc.

Under the circumstances of this trip IMO it is unethical to stray.

If it was me, I'd be upset. What's your arrangement with him?

In my case, a dancer thought that she had me wrapped around her little finger until she did something similar. I went from spending over $500 a month on her every single month to spending $0 on her. Unless he's Ok with it, I wouldn't risk it.

canny

Yup. I agree. Admitting you have a customer "wrapped around your finger" is the worst thing a dancer can do. I too went from spending mega bucks to zero when I found out a dancer said that of me.

Depends on how much I was paying you. If I was just paying for your trip expenses then yeah feel free to do what you want. But if I was paying you for companionship as well then I would expect it to be exclusive.

Sure hope you are not there with farmerart. He deserves better.

I agree with pabloantonio and alucard.

If I discovered you were doing this it would be a definite sign of disrespect. This trip would be the last dollar you'd ever see from me.

It's amazing to me how many strippers seem to have this attitude about disrespecting their best regular customers.

How about you show your customer the same respect he shows you?

carolynne, I'm devastated! I thought you only loved me!

The point about showing a lack of respect for a regular patron is an important consideration. A really SMART business woman would not throw away a consistent and good income stream.

Unless the guy that you're there with is Ok with you spending time with other guys on the trip. That's what counts, what does he want?

Canny I fuckin butt love that avatar

It's funny, I was seeing a dancer for a couple of years and she got in over her head with crack & heroin, so I paid for her to go to Hawaii, stay with a friend of her brothers', and to get clean. $7000 later she comes back still using and she's been fucking some California surfer.

alutard: "IMO it is unethical to stray"

I think there is a difference between an unwise business practice and something that is unethical. In this case, I would say it clearly has nothing to do with ethics and is all a question of whether it is a good business practice or not, which is evaluated by her probability of getting caught, loss of future income, etc., which I think she is in the best position to judge.

I pay dat be my pussy !!!!!!

I have taken two strippers to vegas on different occasion's. And allthough nobody ever said she couldn't fuck anyone else while she was there I'm pretty sure it would have been the last time i ever spoke to her if she did. I think that would be a little disrespectful babe. You can spin it however you want and say there is no committed relationship but come on sweetie...LOL! Do you wanna lose this guys business all together? I guess like some have said it just depends on if you think you can get away with it. I promise you he would not think it's ok!

Hey, Carolynne, are you charging these guys you meet at the beach and pool? Or you just getting you rocks off?

And if your money man paid upfront I really think he may not approve of you daytime fun. But hell, I'm not there. To each his/her own.

Useless bullshit as usual.

Go ahead Carolynne! You already have your mind made up. Just don't get any sand in your Schlitz.

The way you ask suggests you already know your own answer to the ethical question. The better question: Is the ROI of dick on the side worth losing the income businessman provides? You know what you are and you know how easy it is to replace pussy for a man with money like that. Dick on the side worth it? You decide.

They pay they play

The ethical issue hinges on the explicit (and implicit) details of the "paying for everything arrangement." Did he cover the trip expenses and also pay a daily fee that would be an amount appropriate for an escort's time? If he is paying a daily fee on top of the travel expenses, then I'd say he is probably expecting you to be available on call for only him. This would mean no fun or extra business on the side even when he was not there. To do so would be akin to double dipping (pardon the pun) and the arrangement would mean that he has reasonable expectations that you would be available for him and him alone. If put into a shorter time frame, if a guy pays an escort for an hour of her "time" (aka services) and he leaves her long enough to take a 15 minute phone call, is it OK for her to hustle some other guy during the phone call--- no, because her customer has paid for that time and has some legitimate expectations. On the other hand, if he is not paying a daily fee (only your trip and meal expenses), then he has no more rights to your time than the guy has rights to the escort's time (and services) after his paid hour.

So what were the terms of your agreement (you don't need to give dollar amounts although many of us would love to know the details)? Did he say, I'll cover all travel, hotel and meal expenses but no daily fee? Or did he say, in addition to covering all of your expenses, I'll pay your full day rate for escort services?

If the agreement was not very explicit, then his expectations might be very different from your expectations. In that case, you'd be wise to clarify the terms and expectations of your arrangement before doing something that might ruin a good business deal (including prospects for future business) or otherwise piss him off.

Thanks for posing an interesting question!

My cash my ass.....!!!!!

You have a great rack!

un less you have a set contract of can & can't be done. then have at it. fuck them all

Shadow it wouldn't be the farmer. He goes to a secluded resort so he can get away from all business except monkey business. He needs to spend all of his time having fun ith his companion after a hard couple of months in the oil path. She won't have time for anyone else.

It would be a piss poor move on your part.

You ask, "...is it wrong for me to do the guys i meet at the beach or pool while i'm waiting for him to conclude his business during the day?"

IMHO, yes!

How does he react in the club with you dancing for other guys? If he chills out and doesn't mind then he probably isn't the possessive type. I would play it safe though and try not to get caught. Like fuck on a different bed unless the sheets are going to be cleaned.

regarding our "contract", i'll have my lawyer go over it and get back to you with an opinion. a lot of other responses seemed to center on my "disrespecting" him. he's married, and sometimes he arranges "entertainment" for his business contacts, and he partakes of the entertainment himself as well. does our "contract" mean i'm the only one who has to be exclusive? a lot of responses centered on business sense... why kill the goose who lays me (lol)? thanks, fellas, but i'm doing just fine. plenty of fish in the sea, as posters here like to say. sometimes i get the itch, and then worries about business and contracts and respect just go out the window... surely a lot of you can identify with that?

here's how it goes... he usually has a working dinner, and gets back to the hotel around 8 or 9. i'm all dolled up, waiting for him, and we go at it hard, because he needs the release. then we have a few drinks and relax, chat about the day. when he's wound down we'll do it again, this time long and slow. when he wakes up he usually wants to do it again - usually a quickie in the shower. even though he satisfies me very well it leaves me wanting more. and now i've got to wait around the whole day? you guys are so cruel...

Fuck you pay me

^^^ or if it 's the customer talking to the whore: "fuck me, pay you!"

While I don't think its quite unethical I think it's at best discourtious.

But why not ask the client? Personally, I'd be offended if you did it without asking. However, if you asked my response would probably be that as long as I didn't see direct evidence of it I couldn't care less what you do while I'm not around. Your response indicates he wouldn't notice (or already isn't noticing) - so I'd say close the loop and ask. Maybe not direct "can I fuck other guys while you're working" but "do you mind if I take some time to do my own thing while your out" kind if thing. If you think he'd be upset just asking about it, I think you've got your answer...

With respect to him partaking in other entertainment while expecting you to be exclusive - as silly as it sounds that would be my expectation. While there is no expectation and likely no illiuesions of general exclusivity I think there is when your on the clock, regardless of how long that clock is or activity for that time.

Carolynne- If I was Hawaii right now and I saw you on the beach, you would be on top of me right now.

If a guy asked you to dinner and paid for dinner, do you think it would be unethical, or more accurately, disrespectful, for you to be flirting w/ someone else – more precisely, let’s say he went to the restroom or outside the restaurant to take an important call, would it be ok for you to flirt with the 1st penis you see while he is not looking?

He is paying you to fuck *him* - I would not think he is paying you to fuck other guys.

I thought this thread was a joke. I guess in a way it is.

Well if he is married, then I don't care what he is paying for. Go enjoy yourself.

sclvr, the situation is real, i am in hawaii with the guy. the joke part is that i would try to resolve an ethical question by posting on tuscl! i just thought it would be interesting to see what "the team" would say.

carolynne as long as this guy is paying or reimbursing you for ALL expenses then you SHOULDN'T be fucking or sucking anyone else on this "vacation". If he says go ahead, then fine. If you want to fuck & suck as you please, then pay your own expenses WITHOUT being reinbursed.

My 2¢!

I think a lot of these comments reflect an unhealthy need to control other people. I'm sure Carol's client expects her to amuse herself while he can't be with her. Why should he care if the amusement involves some horizontal polkaing? If he thinks he's in anything resembling a committed relationship, he's a major whack job.

Carol, if you hear him say "why is this wet spot here?", you're fucked.

Just because it's business and not a "committed relationship" doesn't mean she is correct in amusing herself. That's not GOOD business.

A few years back I was at an auto dealership looking at new cars. I test drove a vehicle and was probably minutes away from telling the salesman that I want the car. But he saw someone else walk in the door and instead of closing the deal, he handed me his card and said call me and rushed to the other people.

I walked to the dealership across the street and drove away in a new car that day.

The OP needs to read this.

Carol, if you are so horny you can't control yourself, then you have no ethics. Apparently this guy you are with either:

1. Is a dumbass with lots of money.
2. Knows what you are and doesn't give a shit, or
3. Doesn't know shit about you, but will soon find out.

Even Julia Roberts waited for Richard Gere and he only paid her a fee for the week. And she was just a common street whore.

Apparently you are no Julia Roberts.

i just texted him and said i'm getting so horny, just sitting around the pool looking at the young studs, and when will he be back to take care of me? he replied not until late tonight, and i should feel free to avail myself of any substitute i could find - i'm not joking, those were his exact words, as long as i used protection, cleaned up real well (inside and out), and didn't use our room. i may wander on down to the workout gym, the trainer there is pretty hot... or see what i can find around the pool here... game on!

I think carol is just trying to get the TUSCLers roiled up. I think she just wanted to throw in this thread just to see how we would respond/react. I think she is pulling a fast one on us.

And I guess it worked since she got about 60 responses on a slow day.

Papi.

I agree 100% this was a bullshit post...but this hypothetical situation did create an interesting discussion. And conducted in a polite manner, I might add.

I think Carol's client probably hopes she fucks the hotel manager so good their room gets comped. Because he's smart. That's why he's in Hawaii with her right now, rather than on wasting time on the fucking internet.

If this guy is REALLY TRULY in Hawaii with carolynne, then it is because he has $$$$$$. Or it is all just dancer imagination.

carolynne go for it & have fun

Carolynne, have fun, send pictures.

What a shocking and improbable turn of events. It's almost like this is fiction.

Real or not this is all funny shit!

So who's alt account is "she"?

Another very interesting discussion thread, keep them coming carolynne.

Just a note - really rich self-made guys do not get rich by being stupid and naive.

@carolynne: Don't be too quick to belittle the concept of a "contract" with your patron. *You* may not believe there is one, but *he* may believe so, and depending on a number of factors that you probably know better than any of the membership here, there may actually be an implied one.

While the ethical question of you wandering is an interesting one (and one which you've apparently resolved by the simple expedient of asking), it's one that can't be answered without first knowing whether or not there is an implied contract. You've settled that question, and fortunately for you, it was settled in your favor.

Personally, if it was me in place of your patron, and this was in fact a business trip where I was working for a good portion of the day, I would have settled it before ever going. Obviously, you're a horny little slut who can't keep her legs closed for more than a few minutes at a time (and there's absolutely *nothing* wrong with that; seriously, not kidding about that), so as long as they're open for *me* (since I am, after all, the one funding this little excursion), and you use protection and things remain clean and you remain responsive, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

It *was* an ethically sound decision for you to clear the matter up, even if you did it as an afterthought.

Assuming this isn't all bullshit, of course. :)

BTW Carol, is this one of those mileage programs, do you get a certain number of points every time you get his rocks off, which you are now redeeming for a dream vacation? There might be some fine print about blackouts for major holidays or porking the poolboy.

ilbbaicnl, it's double f*** points i can actually use to get used!!!

gmd, thanks for the legal opinion. do u charge by the hour? perhaps there's some way i can work off my obligation...

i ended up renting a tent cabana on the beach (with my dime, before you all get up in arms), and having an incredible time. when my patron arrived back at the room he said thinking about me getting banged by someone else was making him so hot he could hardly stand it, and he really f***ed me with more passion than ever. i just saw him *off* for the day... i am really looking forward to the rest of this trip!!!

Kinda seems to me you're not enjoying the trip to Hawaii...I mean other than the sex.

What about the beach, the scenic helicopter rides, the hike to a volcano. If all you wanted was sex 4 or 5 times, you could have hung out on a few street corners in Detroit.

Carl the only other guy your going to Fuck is Da juice

carl? lol juice.
motorhead, what's the temp right now in detroit? anyone lying out in the sun wearing a bikini? you hear the sound of the surf? feel the sand between your toes? the ocean breeze on your face? don't think i'm not enjoying other things on this trip... besides, i've been to hawaii a number of times so i don't have to do all the first-time tourist stuff. now it's time to head down to the beach and see if i can find some handsome guy to rub lotion on my back.

Motorhead, Carolynne should stay out of helicopters on this trip. Can you imagine the danger if she found the pilot was hot?

If you (you = TUSCLers) were in Hawaii, would you be spending your time posting on TUSCL – especially if one is looking to get laid?

I think Carol is at home, bored, and trying to amuse herself at our expense via SS. But at least she made it somewhat interesting.

I think maybe what's getting people torqued is the idea that some guys can get for free what we have to pay for.

Carolynne can we see a picture of you in a bikini? You are so hot!

I finally figured it out!

Juice claims he has another screen identity that we won't guess. But I think I did.

Juice is Carolynne. This is one funny thread! Kudos juiceman!

oh pleeeeeeezzzzzzeeeeeee...

LOL you guys! carolynne is posting from inside her Inglewood apt watching the rain and just banged the DJ in the bathroom stall while her custy was pulling $60 out the ATM.

hey doc, to know so much you must have been the custy.

Another classic, I wish Carolynne would post more often.

People seemed split here, but I thought Carolynne was the real deal. jestie, of course, was eager to jump at the conspiracy theory angle (said she was a male posting as a woman) but she didn't seem to be pushing any particular agenda so what would have been the point?

I remember jester claiming her a man. It seems if one woman leaves ONLY ONE comes to fill the gap. If I knew this thread existed last year, would have told her to figure it out since she answered her own questions the entire time.

hi guys, thanks for visiting my discussion topic 9 months later... lol. it's funny how whenever a woman posts on tuscl there is an argument about whether she's really a woman. what's up with that???

Because you are a douchebag. Only men are labled douchebags. Therefore, you are a man. QED.

@carolynne: "whenever a woman posts on tuscl there is an argument about whether she's really a woman. what's up with that???"

In many cases, I think it's a case of "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" (though the currently accepted meaning of that phrase is *not* what Shakespeare meant when he wrote it; the word "protest" apparently meant something different in his time).

It's kind of like the story of the vociferously anti-gay people who turn out to be gay.

Bear in mind that I'm sure that at least *one* female poster was a man, but I don't have any proof of any others.