Always Remember, They're Strippers . . . . .

Sounds like a better vetting of ATF candidates is in order for you to AVOID drug users.

For all the meth, crack and opana tirades from LEO and healthcare professionals, I've seen far more girls with tell-tale track marks than symptoms of the other ones over the course of the last few years. It's getting so I'm looking at common locations for track marks more than I am for things like meth mouth and coke nose anymore.

Bitch got a need I got Da weed ;)

Agree Alucard. Life is a learning experience. As usual, when "little head" starts taking over the thought process, bad decisions often result.

What are those "common areas" georgmicrodong? Bend of the elbow? What others?

Yeah we can be lead down the wrong path when the little head does too much decision making. Good luck next time.

Inbeetween the toes, fingers, kneck and azz

lessons learned.

Someday I'm gonna meet that well adjusted, smart young stripper that is just doing that jobto work herself through school...banking away the $60,000/year she makes.

But yeah....I also may someday poop a flying pig.

I don't know of any dancer banking $60000/yr. Wish I did. LOL

I do know a semi-retired one that might reach that level.

@tenisbum1776: Yeah, mostly bend of the elbow. Same place from which labs take blood for testing, and the Red Cross for donations. Some more discreet users use other areas, like the back of the knee, between fingers and toes, genital area, and under the arms. Some less common sites are under the fingernails. I can't imagine that one at all, having gotten splinters there.

Alucard could probably relate even more.

op, what did you expect? "i was busted for smack and fired, but i know i can get my job back by f'king the manager a few times, he'll 'cum' around. thought i'd have that all taken care of by our date but his f'in gf was around all week and i couldn't get him alone. hope to get it settled next week, can i see u then? i'll need more $ for more smack by then." yeah right.

I am an OR nurse not an ER nurse. Needle track spots were of no interest in my job in the OR.

BUT gmd has pretty well covered it.

I only had a bad "drug" experience with an escort...my first escort experience. She was supposed to be 24 and cute as hell.. As usual...she wasnt the gal in the picture. She looked 16 and had obvious signs of drug use both physically and emotionally.

After our first romp...she was on the cell phone with her drug dealer telling him she just made some money and what she wanted. And it was a non-smoking hotel room...which if you want to drive a drug addict crazy...rent them for 2 hours where they can't at least smoke a cigarette. I should she was going to have a seizure.

They can be good girls when they first start stripping, but stripping fucks them up in the head. It's sad sometimes. Drugs, sex and alcohol is a hell of a combination.

The job market for vets and people attached to the reserve and national guard sucks. In this economy, the last thing an employer wants to hear from his/her employees is this: "oh, my unit/company/command/squadron/battalion is deploying next week, be back next year".

That's why I'm stripping. I don't have personality disorders, I don't have daddy issues, I don't do drugs, I only have one baby daddy (my spouse), I finished with college...and yes, I don't do extras (so don't even ask).

Thats a cop out. The job market isn't perfect...but people can and do have jobs allowing them to keep their clothes on and can make a living. If you got college and a spouse...stripping is just the easy way out.

And if ya "don't do extras", I don't know how you can make much money stripping. In this market...from what I've seen lately...strip clubs are becoming places where guys come in, pay the cover...get approached...head to booth...sex...out the door. The entire club is empty...but both VIP booths are going nonstop.

If its a no extras club or area where the municipality locks that stuff down...okay, money can be made. But in most big city markets...girls that say "I don't do extras" eventually get pissed off that they only go home with $100 each night while their coworkers are working 3 days a week making $2400 (most of which goes to drugs...but still).

You didn't read the first paragraph completely, do you?

C'mon Leonard313 my man, cynical much 'bout the biz?

Hope this doesn't come off as a flame, but I don't see why you're gettin' on Jayjaydancer's case. The economy is hard and not everybody has their ideal job (or a magical source o' dinero, hookers, and fried chicken, like our man Juice -- he.has.gott.IT.cos.he.da.MAN ya know). I don't think Jayjay was saying she COULDN'T get a job, just that getting one as good for her right now as stripping was hard. We all balance a lot of concerns (pay, location, flexibility, etc.) regarding jobs. When jobs are tight you might make different decisions... Nothin' wrong with that.

I may be channeling ol' Drac, but I don't groove with some of the "strippers are all lying, thieving whores" shit on here (perhaps a new acronym -- LTWs). Some strippers are LTWs but some aren't.

Plus, there ain't nothin' wrong with being a whore. Jayjay isn't comfortable with extras... Cool, that is HER decision. She is comfortable with dancing. Cool, also her decision. But if a woman IS comfortable with extras but otherwise doesn't lie, cheat, or steal (well, doesn't do that to the level that puts her outside the "fine, upstanding citizen" group) she is a whore, but folks on here should be cool with it. It should be a woman's prerogative to sell services she is comfortable with... After all, what is worse -- the whore or the PL that visits the whore? I say live and let live.

Okay, white knight mode off... Just wanted to have my say 'cos I felt a little too much casting of stones for something that comes under "personal choice" in my book.

LET'S get back to da gospel o' Juice now... How would da Juiceman riff on "live and let live". Can ev'ry widow, whore, and orphan turn to da Juiceman in her time o' need? Well -- I s'pose as long as the widow is a whorin' and the orphans are 18+ and whorin' too! But I'm sure the Juice will say it loud, say it proud, and say it with eloquence (and CRAY-ZEE-AZZ puctuation... Fuck yeah!)

I don't think the PL's are as delusional as some of the people on this site who think every dancer is a drug addicted thief who sucks every customer with $100.

Bit of a strawman, won't you say, jestie? There are people who think that is true about every single one of them? Don't be so passive-aggressive. Name some names.

There is no doubt that substance abuse is a real issue in the dancer population, though far from all of them are abusing anything beyond alcohol or weed. A customer looking to take a girl OTC just has to use a little judgment and keep his eyes open.

Unfortunately the ability of a guy to make smart, safe, or informed judgments about dancers inside or outside a club is often impaired.

I agree with Jester. The customers who think we are all a bunch of cheap crack whores are much more worse than PLs.

"but stripping fucks them up"... sad but very very true ranukam.

how does stripping fuck them up

In all the cases where I got to know the girls well enough to understand why they were fucked up, I would say most were fucked up by things that predated their time in strip clubs. The strip club experience magnifies the issues.

One girl I met was slim, had a cute face, and straight platinum blond hair down to her ass. She was bright and frisky. She also was bi-polar, took antipsychotic drugs, had a history of meth abuse as a teenager, and her father was a transexual. The strip club was an island of normalcy.

Theres plenty of money to be made by girls who do and do not do extras. Not all customers want extras or sex. Some just want to smell your feet or your butt or caress your calves, smell your armpits, or just talk.

No two men are the same as to what turns them on, what theyre willing to pay for, and what they are willing to do with a stripper.

That comment was for Leonard

i just saw that jayjaydancer is an otaku princess (no I won't add you on twitter since I don't use twitter....EVER, but if you have a facebook, let me know). Such a shame she's in texas among other reasons. Leonard, sounds more like your just one of those PL who are mad at women because either they never dated you or you were horribly dumped by one women and it fucked up your view on women. I can say that if Jayjay is a vet from a military career, no doubt its hard as fuck to easily get a job. She has skills to make many business go full flowing but abrutly leaving, even if understandable reasons, is NOT something companies like to deal with.

The prohet has spoken Fuck.ya

wow guys, i'm learning things here that i didn't wanna know. but do appreciate it, i'm SO naive!
i happen to know a couple truly good stripper outcomes, this just doesn't seem the right thread for that.

P S jay jaydancer is my kinda woman (big hug sweetie)

Sad part is, the girl is still swearing to me that she's never touched heroin in her life in spite of all the contrary evidence provided.

I'd agree 100%. In most cases stripping as a career widens the personality disorder cracks by huge proportions.

ranukam: "They can be good girls when they first start stripping"

Very rare. If they are attracted to it at all, probably got a good deal of "bad" in them.

But, of course, us customers are drawn to that world and the bad girls because of the bad in us. (Despite whatever the white knight/retards will try and tell you.)

Speak for yourself, there Dougster. :)

I'm attracted to them because they'll give me sex after a few minute of negotiation, instead of weeks of begging and dinner. :)

Weeks? Dude? Whatever happened to the three date rule? (I'll need to ask my younger coworkers too, cause I strongly suspect it's now a one date rule these days.)

@zipman

Dude...I know you wanna remain on the "good side" with the ladies...so you're gonna go "white knight" on me...but seriously? Do you HOW MANY times I've heard some chick talk about how she "has" to strip because otherwise she cant pay her rent or support her kid or pay her college tuition...then when you get to really know her you see that she easily blows $500-$600 a week at the mall and another $200-$800 in drugs? And you "believe" her that she cant get a job at Walmart? Retards work at WalMart. Juice works at Walmart. Many, many places hire active reserve military (and by law have to). I'm not saying there aren't "some" who are legit...I met a woman...she stripped at night, got home and sent her kid off to school, she slept, took care of the kid...kid went to bed...mom stripped, etc... She was a single mom, it paid the bills. But JayJay is MARRIED! If she has a husband working...why does she need to take her clothes off for money? and what kinda husband lets the mother of his child do that?

I dont mean to judge (even though I am), but EVERY time you walk in a club...these chicks judge you. EVERY time. They pretend to like you...they lie to you...but they HATE you. They think every single one of you is a PL and all they see is $$$. And if you aint makin it rain or buying them drinks to meet their quota or tipping them while they're onstage...you're a POS in their eyes. These women have mostly spent their lives abused by men...some that they once did care for. And they hate you, me, and everything with a dick that walks through that curtain.

You wanna live the lie...you wanna drink the Kool Aid that you're a great guy and these girls "really like you" cuz they tell you that while staring at your money clip...thats fine dude. The allure of the clubs is the lie...and I dont mean to judge. I sure as hell aint in a place to do that. But dont try to convince me these dancers are anything more than what they are. And when I find ONE...that proves me wrong..(just one)...I'll come back here and retract this statement with apology. But don't hold your breath.

@jayjay
I'm not saying they all are "crackwhores". Actually, from what I've seen, those gals tend to get pushed out of the industry rather quick as their habit makes them far too unreliable to dance and hold a job. They usually end up as escorts or hookers in the long run. But I will say that I've yet to meet a stripper that is "normal and well adjusted". Not always their fault. Hell, I'll even go all "christian/religious" and say it's almost NEVER their fault. Just wanted to clarify.

@stiletto
I agree women can make money without extras. But the difference in what CAN be made is significant. Like I said, you're talking about a girl working 4-5 days a week, doing just stage and legitimate lappets, and rejecting the nightly 12-50 requests to "go further" and she makes what? $700/week? A hot chick fucking for money makes that on a weekday. The chicks that offer FS or BJs are working 1-3 days...during the week...and clearing close $2400. THAT is why often times, the gals that get into the business thinking, "I wont do that...I'm just gonna dance"...are bent over in the VIP area with a condom wrapper on the floor after 1-3 months.

@leo, your blanket statements are ridiculous. What fucked up part of the country are you from?

@mikeya
Please give a detailed response as to where you feel I'm being inaccurate.

You haven't said what your source is that's telling you different from what your fav is saying.

For various reasons, some strippers a unreliable, some are semi-reliable, and a few are reliable. What's almost always unreliable is any information you think you have about why they do what they do.

@Dougster: I'm fat and ugly. Sometimes it was weeks.

Now that I understand the power of cash, it tends to be hours, at most. :)

@Leonard313: "Many, many places hire active reserve military (and by law have to)."

No, actually, they don't. There are circumstances under which reserve status may not be considered when making employment decisions, and there are provisions for protecting the jobs of such people when deployments happen, but there is no blanket "must hire" clause.

As for the rest of your contentions, the statistical universe of strippers that Leonard313 has seen is obviously limited if you can make such claims about all strippers with a straight face.

Leonard, extras and how they affect earning all depend on the club environment. What people often forget is that most SC customers are not their to get extras and in most clubs around the country extras are either not available OR are the exception and not the rule.

Intollerence and political correctness are standard rants of the liberal today. Anyone who does not fit their narrow minded model of what they think they should be is a whore, a sell out or worse. Farmerart works in the energy industry and there are those out there that will call him names for his chosen profession. I have been called a murderer and been threatened with injury and death by a "pacifist vegan" because I hunt and fish.
Not all dancers are drug addicts and not all are liars. There are only a few truths in the world:
1] All politians are liars and cheats.
2] Governments are the truest form of evil in the world today.
3] People lie why should strippers be different.
4] Strippers are more trust worthy than most lawyers and all politicians.
5] Die now before the new taxes kick in and you can't afford to.

if there is one lesson that I learned this year, it's this:

no matter how sweet, nice, real, and genuine she seems, don't loan her money.