Comments by Elitis (page 4)

Paper Moon was very meh when I went last year, but I've only ever been the one time so, you might be right ATACdawg

How to fix this step by step (for future reference) 0.I stay at the club around 30 min (day time and not a single girl comes up to me...weird for this club). Response: So, you sat around and didn't approach any of the girls yourself? That makes it appear that you're there for another purpose other than to get dances and have a good time. How it looks: your OTC girl cancels on you. You then show up at the club a week later on a night she happens to be working. You don't get any dances from anyone. She probably had been watching you for a bit and thought you were there for her. 1. I get up to leave and head to exit/bathroom area. I notice her looking at me and goes back to the back. Response: She notices you and immediately dips out once you notice the staring. This is called "avoiding confrontation". It should have been your first sign that something was wrong. 2. I use bathroom before leaving. Response: This one is fine. 3. I get out tip bartender. Then head out. Response: So, *after* noticing her staring at you and fleeing back into the dressing room, you disappear for a few minutes to go to the restroom. That's fine. Your mistake was not immediately leaving after. How it probably looked (to her): you came there looking for her, didn't see her so were about to leave. Noticed her at the last second and decided to stay and wait. Tip before you leave next time. Why go to the restroom only to return to the main area *just* to then walk back out the same way? (assuming the bathroom and exit are the same way) 4. She comes out changed, goes to bouncer and points as I walk out. Response: she came out changed and you were *still* there. Not talking to any other dancers. Not getting any dances. Of course, *we* (now) know you went to the restroom and came back in to tip the bartender, but *she* didn't know that. Again, tip before you leave next time. 5. I get to my car and she and bouncer walk out to her ride. Staring at me. Response: At this point, it should be clear she thought you were waiting for her inside the club and/or would be waiting for her outside. Bouncers walking the girls out to their cars happens often enough, though.

She used to escort in the past, but had a bad experience that made her swear it off for good (or so the story goes). I wouldn't be surprised if her fucking "fans" is true though. Probably charges you for sex, then there's a camera going so if you go too far, there's evidence, and to top it all off she gets to sell the video later. It would be a win-win situation for her.

Came to here to say exactly what Subraman mentioned. It, ironically, isn't the sex that's selling. Or at least not entirely. It's the interaction with women that is. I think most of the people here are older so most of you (men) grew up interacting with other people and going up and talking to women in real life. For the under 30's, online interaction has either been a significant portion of their interactions or it's been the majority. A lot easier (mentally) for a 22 year old today to pay gorgeous women online $5 or $10 to not only see her naked but also get to talk to her about everything things and feel like he has a girlfriend that cares about him. Treating the symptoms pays better than fixing the root cause and all that. Also, shailynn, subscriber count can be hidden. It's not on every girl's page. In fact, I'd argue the girls making serious amounts of money (i.e hundreds of thousands or more) on OF have their subscriber counts hidden. You can however see total number of likes and the likes on each post, which when combined with the monthly fee, can give you a ballpark estimate of how much they make. All that said, in reality and just like in the real world, very few people are making significant amounts of money. If there's a million "creators" on OF, there's maybe under 1000 or so making millions, and probably under 20,000 making $100,000 or more.

Also, unless something has changed since the last time I went, there is no "negotiating" on dance prices. The club sets prices here, not the dancers.

"The private, half hour room, was totally private, behind a door and then blocked off by a curtain; it was fairly spacious. Was on a couch you could easily lie down on and there was a small table. No one could see in that space." Interesting. You're the first I've heard of alluding to what I think you're alluding to happening. I will say, though, keep in mind that room with the curtains and couch isn't always the "VIP" room. You will get one of the rooms with the dark glass door near the regular dance area from time to time.

'Ample enough space but there is a camera directly above you so I'd be wary of any talk of more expensive dances "being more fun".' Also, not my thing so YMMV

DJ, I find it odd you think everyone in a strip club is there for lap dances (and extras) because that's what YOU go for. While I haven't been to this particular place, I've been to a few places throughout the country (and Japan) and I can tell you a lot of guys go mainly to have a good time. That means sitting around drinking and talking to a pretty girl (dancer) sitting on their lap. Maybe getting a dance or two here and there. And those girls are definitely being compensated for their time. If the girl is younger or newer, she very well might be less interested in actually making money and more into drinking for free and enjoying herself, but those are more rare. Additionally, as a younger guy, I get the whole "assumed to be broke" thing. It's going to happen. Deal with it. But don't complain about it if you're not going to try to prove them wrong. Go tip the ones you like on stage and tell her to come find you after her set. Maybe she will. Maybe she won't. Deal with it.

Maybe. Couldn't tell you. No one had a problem with me doing it though.

@StripClubXpert No. I guess I should clarify that point a bit. The dancer(s) of your choice shower, fully nude, making a show of it however they deem fit. There is soap for them to use if they so choose. You sit in a chair directly in front of the shower. Touch as you wish. You get a lap dance if you're ok getting your clothes wet as well. The bathtub "date", I did not participate in this time. But from what they said, the dancer(s) of your choice get naked. You strip down into your underwear. You sit in a bathtub together. What can happen beyond that is unknown to me, but I wouldn't expect too much given the atmosphere of the club.

"She realized I was standing at attention and told me about the vip rooms being 400 for 30 minutes and all inclusive." I'd be careful about expectations there. This is my go to club whenever I'm in the area and was my go to when I lived in the area as well. I've never heard of any extras being done in VIP. Drugs, yes, but not extras. Not to say that they don't occur, but I've never heard of it happening. Also, there's actually two VIP areas. One of them is in the regular dance area. The only difference is its a dark glass door instead of the beads. Anyone walking by could see what you're doing. The other is the room by the stages. Its dark and pretty private in there, with two couches behind curtains so extras *could* happen there but the couches are fairly close to each other so anyone getting a dance next to you could hear what's going on. There's also staff who may or may not come by every so often to check in on you.

I had a dancer do essentially the same thing a few weeks back. I asked about VIP during a regular dance. She sounded excited about it so we went to talk the manager (prepaid VIP dances). While waiting for the manager, she says something along the lines of "oh I have to give this other guy a dance. I'll be right back". I thought that was super weird, but figured maybe the guy was a regular and would maybe only go for a couple dances at most, so I take a seat and give her a chance. I played around on my phone for a bit and pretended not to notice her passing me with the guy on their way back. Wrote her off after that for being a time waster. My next trip to that club, she comes up to me being friendly asking if I remember her and if I want a dance. I declined. And now that I think about it, it probably would have been smarter if she pretended not to remember me. Not only did she waste my time and potentially lose out on VIP money (for her sake I hope that guy she was with was tipping her more than she would have made off me), but didn't even apologize or seem remorseful. Not that I expect that, but you know.

@heaving, fair enough in that case. I misunderstood you then. @drew, I agree 100%, though I think a part of being seen as someone important in the case of women does include being seen as someone attractive measured in how many likes, followers, and "thirsty" comments and messages you get. It's like a showcase of "look how many guys want me. It's annoying being so hot". I'm an introvert by nature myself, so posting pictures of everything and creating an online persona that only highlights the good parts of my life is definitely not my first instinct but being that I am likely a good 20+ years younger than most of you here, I think doing just that has become important in today's society. I'd argue it *shouldn't* be because it's stupid, but as someone else put it for me, it's essentially brand management.

I have to disagree with @heaving. I don't think it means nothing. Everyone wants to be someone important these days and a good way of doing that is making it seem like your life is a lot better than it is by posting pictures of you doing "cool" things. And then there's the highly complex life equation to consider: Attention = scantily clad (photos) + horny men.

@Papi_Chulo " and nightshift most girls $300 to $500;" I wish I would have known that during my spur of the moment visit back in 2017. I think I spent around $800 if not more lol. Unless of course you mean not including the $200 or so to the house (and the courtesy "if you tip him well, he won't bother us" bribe)

Its very much dancer dependent on whether or not they allow touching. Though, yes, the official rule is "no".

@Wallanon, I've got no issue with him lol. I see his comments on reviews from time to time, all saying "club ad of the day", noticed a good 20% of the time he comments anything other than that, and got curious what his deal was. Speaking of issues, what are yours with my "3 reviews"?

@Customernumerouno that's not surprising. I was only told there was hard liquor in the mixed drinks by one of the dancers, but like everything they say, it was taken with a grain of salt.

@Big Third Eye, I wouldn't go as far as to say there are VAST differences in Wagyu beef. Everything about the process is held to an extremely high standard. There are some differences as there is a grading system ranging from C1 at the "worst" to Kobe A5 at the best. However, all of that only applies to real, Japanese-imported Wagyu. And Japan only exports about 10% worldwide, so there is an abundance of fakes out there.

You can't put a price on a piece of real, Japanese-imported Wagyu steak. There is no better piece of meat in the world.

I find it incredibly hard to believe anything a stripper tells me. Though, there has been one stripper that was shockingly honest. Told me what drugs she's tried, which stripper was selling what (drugs), how much she typically made a week, talked about her home life and family, etc. She brought up relationships and how every boyfriend always claims to be ok with what she does for work only to eventually ask her to stop. I ended up asking if she'd date a customer and there was no bs in her answer. Simply said probably not. In the context of a longer conversation, told me she only ever said good things about me. I'm still not sure I completely buy that last one. I'm much more inclined to believe that meant I simply don't come up in conversation ever. But since she's generally pretty open and honest with me, maybe there could be a bit of truth in that. But on the whole, I have to assume a lot of strippers hate their customers. Most guys I see in clubs tend to either be the loud, obnoxious, overly touchy but cheap "look at me" types, or gray-hair and loves to talk about things the average 22-year old stripper doesn't care about.

Club 390 in Chicago is good for non-extras, I enjoy my time there for the most part. Good for some illicit substances too if that's your thing. NYC I've only been to Flashdancers (I think that's what it was called). Fairly attractive (mostly white) women, although a bit too skinny for my tastes. That said, reading some of the other reviews, there's usually quite a few latinas normally. Although, it seems the consensus is its not really all that great for high-mileage extras, and almost universally expensive. Houston is probably your best bet, depending on what you want.

@Papi_Chulo "Reality is that out-of-wedlock births is something very-common in the black-community..." Out-of-wedlock births is very common in America period. As for the rest, agreed. Fast money comes with slow problems

A very open dancer I've seen more than a few times told me she probably averages about $500 a night. I have no idea how often she works, but I'd guess somewhere between 4 and 6 days a week and maybe 6 hours minimum each night. That's impressive enough to me considering she just turned 22 a couple months ago. On another note,

If that was your weirdest experience, count yourself lucky. Weird is strippers fighting over you in the club after a dance, one of them going to the manager afterwards, and later blowing up your phone "warning" you about the other about how she doesn't "really" like you or men of your race, and diving into personal details about the other's life.