Comments by Elitis (page 3)

Most, if not all, of the popular south Florida (Miami-area) clubs I went to allow smoking indoors. I'm more surprised by how many people still smoke in this day and age though. Being from the midwest originally, it was not a common occurrence. California, I also did not really notice it. Seems to be an east-coast and (likely) southern thing. I took it up while enlisted, but stopped once I got out. Can't stand my clothes smoking like cigarettes now.

@RonJax2 randomly re-stumbled upon this thread and when I said I felt like OF has had an impact on strip clubs, I meant in terms of the attractiveness of the dancers. If your choices are post the same instagram pictures you already do on OF from the safety of your home and flirt with guys from your computer for double or even triple the amount you normally make or go to the club several times a week dealing with some creepy or unattractive guys who may take things too far and are intoxicated, which would you choose? Of course, there is overlap. Of course, very few OF girls make those crazy amounts, but it's that potential that makes it attractive. "Be your own boss. Make your own schedule. Charge whatever you want. No tip outs. No getting touched. No drunk customers. Make millions!" Sounds pretty good whether it's all true or not.

@EastCoaster re: "FWIW, it sounds like Elitis did not include DD in his recent rounds, which may prove my point." I did not visit Diamond Dolls. I don't know what it was but there was something in my brain saying, "I'm not going there." Quite possibly a review or two I had read a while ago and just mentally wrote it off. @rattdog yeah, I definitely should have approached. Usually, in my experience, with the amount of eye contact we held during her set, the dancer would have come to me afterwards though. I was also feeling lazy given this was the second club of the night I had went to and was still going to more after this one. I also wouldn't write off Miami entirely. I rate pretty harsh (face only), so most guys can safely add one or two points to any rating I give. As for the waitresses/staff, don't get the wrong idea. It wasn't that I found their faces alone much more attractive than the dancers. They were certainly some, of course. It was generally that I found them to have above-average attractive faces (meaning at least a 6 to me) *and* decent or even nice bodies (large T&A, small waists, thick thighs, nice legs, etc etc). It was the combination I found highly appealing. Plenty of dancers had one or the other. Miami is also great for finding extras, so if that's your thing, its another reason not to write it off. @Dolfan interesting. Did not notice any work being done while I was there. I'll have to make another trip once that's complete to reassess it.

@twentyfive fair enough. I did notice the upstairs (assuming VIP) section. And I guess when I say small I mean compared to other places. But yeah, it could have just been the layout making it seem smaller than it was. @RonJax2 re: "Characterizing the attractiveness of women". Which is why I always mention I rank based on face only. Its easy, imo, to call every woman with a big butt/tits and a nice smile a 10. And while attractiveness definitely has a bit of subjectivity to it, the majority of men will be within a standard deviation of each other when ranking women. Scarlett Johansson may not be every man's 10, but most of us will agree she is attractive even if she isn't our exact type. As far as BT goes, it's not that I was unimpressed *because* the talent was on lockdown. It's that out of all the women I saw there (and several could have been doing dances or upstairs to be fair), there were *only* a handful I found attractive and some of those were staff I couldn't get dances with. I would have gotten annoyed (as I did on my second trip to Cheetah Hollandale) had I gotten swarmed no matter how attractive the dancers were. I like to get approached as much as the next guy, but not swarmed and not immediately when I arrive. Finally, to answer your question, I don't think I've spent nearly enough time in any of these clubs to pick a favorite. But if I honestly had to, I would probably pick E11even. I'm still young and do well for myself, so the party vibe and cost (other than tables) isn't a turn off for me. I'm also not super into extras, so a decent grind and two-way contact with a pretty face and decent body on occasion isn't the end of the world. A second? Toss up between Tootsies for sheer size, numbers, and the fact that I've been a couple times now and Booby Trap. Why BT? Honestly, I have no clue. It just seems better for my tastes than the other clubs.

Booby Trap Pompano looked bigger from the outside. I was surprised how small it really was on the inside.

@Array no idea. I've only been to Miami (and this club) twice now and both times have been on weekends. Miami is the type of city you can always find a party no matter what day of the week so I wouldn't be too surprised if it's still pretty good on weekdays. Especially since E11even consistently brings in well-known performers/celebrities (rappers, dj's, singers, acrobatics, etc). I'd expect mostly the same vibe since as I mentioned, this is a night club for partying that just so happens to also have strippers. Not a strip club. @RonJax2 it's a cool and fun spot for partying. Go in with that expectation and you'll be fine. Drinks are reasonably priced (other than Red Bull from what I remember), music was nice (mostly hip hop/rap, but some early 2000's music like Mr. Brightside as well) and the acrobatics performances were cool to see. The strippers are pretty and something can probably be set up for OTC with some of them but yeah, you're not getting a ton of value ITC. @lurkingdog $1000 table was the *low-end*. Much more likely to be at least double. This is a popular spot for celebrities to visit, so tables are priced accordingly.

Techman, "stage dances" I noticed some girls would go nude but no spreading or anything of the sort. Lap dances were top less. So I'd assume the girls have some amount of say in if and what comes off.

@BuckMcNutter yeah, like I said I knew it was high. The Colombian offered the same for $200. @Tonybo probably? Plenty of light-skinned latinas you could mistake for "white". If you want American white, you might find a few. Miami and south florida overall is going to be mainly cuban.

I think you'll be a bit disappointed if (like me) you prefer "no obvious surgery".

The back area is indeed a patio for customers and dancers alike to smoke and talk. I doubt your dancer's intentions going further back involved anything extra, there's cameras in each "room". And as far as I have seen each room on that side is the same set up. The rooms across next to the bathrooms are slightly different (in a worse way) however.

"The only mildly annoying part was that she kept telling me about her FS offering, which made the dance felt like a sales pitch." Pretty sure the general consensus from those that either live there or visit frequently is that the dances *are* in fact sales pitches for VIP. Much less work for her to bounce up and down on you for 5 minutes in exchange for $500+ than it is to actually dance and twerk and grind for 15 minutes or more.

It still exists. tuscl.net/search It isn't linked to on the navigation bar anymore for whatever reason.

For $1500, look her dead in the eyes and ask directly. If she wants to talk serious money, she better be willing to give a serious answer.

It *is* possible at Club 390, surprisingly enough. One of the girls there I'm friendly with has more or less confirmed it to me on occasion as I usually take her to VIP (she unfortunately is not one that does it) and she almost always mentions a certain room smells like sex and/or people leave certain bodily-fluids around. So, if you ask around, you may be able to find one who provides.

You should have went with Ronnie. She's cool with touching anywhere but the cat. Very soft skin all over too.

In most clubs I've been to, I think that is commonly the trade off. Pretty face usually means no T&A. T&A usually means less attractive. Surgically enhanced are obviously exceptions. I don't mind thin, but at least have *something* for me to grab onto.

Interesting review. Never been able to use a card here for anything other than drinks and never had any issues touching the girls during any lap dance, shower show or bath date and I've definitely done them all.

Having been born there and having spent roughly half of my childhood there, I really do hate to see (more of) this happening there. Although, on the other hand, the good areas (i.e north. Lincoln Park area, loop, etc) are still pretty good.

I think those laws have to do with maintaining a safe environment. Drunk + thinking with the "little head" can lead to really messed up situations. Not quite sure what the deal is with making an exception as long as the dancers aren't *completely* naked, but I sort of, kind of get it.

I tip, although begrudgingly. I don't pay attention to other people tipping, but occasionally some waitresses at a restaurant I frequent will mention when someone doesn't tip them. It's happened a handful of times. I'm more against the expectation of people tipping than tipping itself. Tipping is, and always will be, optional. It sucks that the service industry relies on them, but it doesn't change the fact.

They're open pretty late on saturdays so most people don't show up until around 11pm usually. And assuming nothing has changed (which I doubt it has) since my last visit, dancers have no say over cost of dances. Its set by the club. Based on memory, dances are about $30 each. VIP being $400 for 30 minutes and $600 for an hour. So, if you return I'd be wary of that dancer and any others with their own rates. As for the lack of effort, with only 6 working, I'm not surprised. There isn't much hustle factor here usually.

Just dancing, not worth it. Never tried two or more dancers in an extras club so maybe. I will say in either case, make sure you know at least one of them well enough. Speaking from experience, it's pretty awkward and annoying when they start fighting over dumb things in front of you and/or hate each other. Even more annoying when one of them has your number and proceeds to blow up your phone later that night trying to convince you not to see the other dancer again because of x, y, and z reason.

sushiman: "Anyone ever have 2 strippers in a VIP area?" Yes, it's not worth it unless maybe they're both open for extras. For normal lap dances, don't do it. One of them is almost guaranteed to nearly just be standing/sitting there most of the time or air dancing at best.

More or less what Muddy said. Be someone I could see myself bullshitting with outside the club had I not met you there. Low hustle, non-pushy, and be real. Not a fan of fake moaning or pretending you're super into me. One of my favorites in Chicago actually told me I wasn't "bad-looking". Something as simple as that made me like her a little bit more beyond what she looked like. As for dances, ehh, personally there isn't much you can do for me. I like having tits in my face and a nice ass grinding on my you-know-what as much as the next guy, but if I know I'm not going to be hooking up with you, there's only so much I can enjoy.

As someone born in Chicago (and no longer lives there), this is sad. I have not been keeping up with really anything regarding the city, so when I saw the thread title and that Lightfoot was out I was a bit happy. Then, I saw you mention her replacement being even more far-left. I don't think Chicago will get to the point of Detroit, given its position as the third-largest city in the country but maybe that's a bit too optimistic. I guess we will see what the future has in store.