Ever been asked to wait for VIP?
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
I recently did. I met her a week ago on her second day at the club. Then yesterday floor dances were exceeding expectations so I asked about VIP. She said it depends on what you want. I graphically told her what I wanted. She said she would do that for a price I was agreeable to. So I said "OK let's do it". She replied that she wanted to wait awhile before going to VIP. WTF? "OK I said let me know when you are ready". She went off to work the floor for more dances. I sat there for 30 minutes, got a couple of really good dances from another dancer and then got up and went home. My analysis is that she really didn't want to do the VIP but didn't know how to say NO for fear of losing a customer. I think she did!
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I've never seen a girl asking me to wait for something and then going off to see other customers. More often its the other way around, they'll drop customers interested in only dances for customers who do rooms.
SJG
“Do you want to do [the thing I want] in the back?”
“No.” —customer stops dancing with you. Lose.
“Do you want to do [the thing I want] in the back?”
“Yes”—but actually no. Does VIP but doesn’t do The Thing. Customer is disappointed/upset/mad and stops dancing with you. Lose.
“Do you want to do [the thing I want] in the back?”
“Yes, but let’s wait”—bc actually no. Customer waits and she doesn’t come back. Customer is disappointed/upset/mad and stops dancing with you. Lose.
“Do you want to do [the thing I want] in the back?”
“Yes”—but not actually. Does The Thing. Is disappointed/upset/mad at herself. Really fucks her up so she avoids that customer or even stops going to work. Customers must stop dancing with her. Lose.
The only win is if she wanted to do The Thing and strippers like money for doing Things. If she did not go back to get your money, it seems very easy to figure out why.
You will say, “well she shouldn’t have said yes if she didn’t want to do The Thing.” Some girls do not want to disappoint/upset/make you mad, so they don’t say no. It could be she didn’t have the courage, or didn’t feel like dealing with it and played the passive aggressive stripper “I’ll be right back” card.
Whatever the reason, I don’t think you don’t need to overthink it. 🤷🏼♀️
SJG
Shadowcat probably made the right call because he's been clubbing longer than a lot of us have been alive, including me. But it was a yes or no question so that's the most recent yes. Usually when I've been asked to wait it's because the dancer is trying to max out her dollars. If it means getting sloppy seconds that I'm aware of that's a little different, but other than that delaying gratification if I have time and she'll be more relaxed then no problem.
Given the number of customers I've seen, and the number of posters here, who've avoided giving a dancer a direct "no", but instead put a dancer off with some ambiguous "not right now", "I'll think about it", or "maybe later", it's not hard to imagine that some dancers, especially a new one, are gonna be reluctant to give a <em>customer</em> an ambiguous one.
Yes, it would be better if everyone just said "yes" or "no", whichever one they actually mean. Not gonna happen any time soon.
fortunately this was an inexpensive red flag lesson for the 'fake apology' future encounter with it.
My next trip to that club, she comes up to me being friendly asking if I remember her and if I want a dance. I declined. And now that I think about it, it probably would have been smarter if she pretended not to remember me. Not only did she waste my time and potentially lose out on VIP money (for her sake I hope that guy she was with was tipping her more than she would have made off me), but didn't even apologize or seem remorseful. Not that I expect that, but you know.
Strippers will fuck themselves up mentally if they don't realize that they have to take a pass sometimes, even on good $. But in a case like this, before getting cheesed off, they ought to look at the big picture. The real problem is laws against sex work. That's what really creates situations where customers are asking for things that skeev out some sex workers.
"Thanks for tipping me on stage. Do you want some dances over in the corner? Or we could just go right to VIP. I like to go back there and do The Thing"
"Sure, let's go"
"Just give me like two minutes. I'll be right back"
Scampers to dressing room. Never comes back.
30 minutes later I see her across the club sitting with some guy who is buying her drinks.
Unfortunately I have done the leave the club because she was lackadaiscal many times. The only person it really hurts is yourself. Its not like shes using the money to pay for rent. It just means she wil have to dance a few more hours for the vacation of luxury bag. If you have a good connection with a girl just be straightforward with her. Use her or she will use you.
This was also a girl that had FUCK tattooed on her thigh. When I asked what her VIP was like she simply pointed to the tattoo. Classy lady.
At that point it's obvious that you got the price point wrong. You should walk away and ask the next buyer for $4500.
She's been on the job for two days. The price for what you wanted was probably not explained in the HR orientation briefing, and she guessed wrong.
My response was: "I fuck things up all the time, so this is familiar territory for me. Be well". She gives me the finger and walks off. Two weeks later she sits next to me and says: "Hi is this your first time here?" Still laughing.
For various reasons, strippers prefer to get rando revenge on PLs in passive aggressive ways such as this. when they find PLs who stays thirsty for them regardless, they've found the ones they can more easily squeeze money out off. So, it can work for them, sacrificing some $ for more $ later.
Oh well. Most of the time they are already right there when such drinks are discussed. Usually better not to talk abut the drink, and instead just hand her money while talking to her about what ever you want to.
SJG
I usually want to talk to the dancer for some time before doing VIP. And i want to spend some time in the club seeing which other dancers are there. So waiting around is normal and preferable to me.
SJG
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It seems this dancer is not yet ready to “go over to the (extras) dark side” – since I’m not an “extras or nothing” type PL, I don’t hold-it-against-a-dancer/blacklist-a-dancer if she doesn’t do extras as long as I still enjoy her dances. As was posted previously, a lot of dancers don’t like flat-out saying-no to custies b/c they feel the custy will take it the wrong-way and they will lose-out on any biz from that custy even-just-dances; and this may be more problematic in a club where extras are common and/or somewhat expected.
“Some” dancers do come-around once they have more-experience and/or get more comfortable w/ certain-custies.
It can often be frustrating as a custy when a dancer blows-you-off (in the not-good-way) – but with time I’ve learned to take what dancers do/say w/ a grain-of-salt and don’t hold too-much-against-them as long as they are not trying to rip-me-off (if they are trying to be cute and put-one-over-on-me trying to take my $$$ then they usually get black-listed).
From not having personally-interacted with this particular-dancer hard to say exactly what the issue was; but it comes across as if she may not yet be ready to pull-the-VIP-trigger which is ok for me personally as long as I still o/w enjoy interacting w/ her (good-dances; etc) – if she comes around to extras, great; if it’s not her thing then I don’t-hold-it-against-her; and sometimes w/ time they get comfortable enough w/ a particular custy to pull the VIP/extras plug.
While on stage she's monopolized by a tipper. So screw it, I'm not going to compete with another tipper for her attention and I did tell her I would do a LD. After she finished dancing she ignores me and goes over to the bar and begins talking with the tipper.
I figured I'll give it another minute or two and leave so I don't waste any more time. As I leaving, I reminded her about the LD and she said that didn't come over because she didn't want to be pushy. Really? Anyway, we went to the LD area which was empty. As she danced she amped up the friendliness, began grinding and moved her g-string to side so I could get a full view.
It was the best LD I ever had. So at first what appeared to be failure was actually turned into victory.
SJG