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3 years ago
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san_jose_guymoney was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
@motorhead mathematics is the language of science. Every scientific law has a math formula associated with it. And often it is calculus based.
And the more expert you become at understanding the mathematics of science you, by definition, become more expert at understanding the science itself.
So absolutely, you must know the math* behind all science to truly understand it. If you don't, you will always have a limited understanding as compared to someone that does.
*And by knowing the math, I don't just mean looking at the formulas in their base forms. By truly understanding I mean that you can crunch numbers and do actual numerical calculations using said formulas. Furthermore, by understanding the calculus you can take that formula and integrate it or take a derivative of it and also combine all this with other basic formulas to determine new scientific laws and also understand how everything relates. This is exactly what Newton and Leibnitz did with inventing calculus at the same time deriving all the laws of motion. They started with a simple momentum formula but then with mathematical expertise this knowledge expanded into the laws and formulas for kinetic energy, acceleration/deceleration, potential energy, work, power, and numerous other laws of physics.
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3 years ago
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san_jose_guymoney was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
@san_jose_creep once again your post about May made me think about myself and how throughout our time being PLs we came to similar crossroads, but then took different paths.
In my case, after I had just started becoming an ITC regular to my (now ex) ATF DS, she said she was "just a working girl in the game" while I was talking with her on stage. That same visit she also said she had accounts on Eros.com and TNA and escortbook.com. Since I already knew the meaning of being a "working girl", I knew she was telling me that she was an escort for the first time. For the rest of that visit I kept it to myself and didn't talk about it further.
On my own time later, I did my research of her profile of those sites and thought long and hard about doing OTC with her. I planned on it just being like an ITC VIP between us, but in private. No sex or extras. Just personal private dances and LDK after 30min to an hour. I mentally justified that it was the same thing as my ITC visits but without competing for her time with other PLs, so what's the harm?
Some time later I broached the topic about it. Since we could talk openly then I told her what I wanted and she told me her rules and all the logistics of being with her like that. We even set up a "date".
But then I thought about it more on my own, even talked to a fellow TUSCLer about it, and I had second thoughts. So I went to the club and saw her before said "date" and apologized and said that I couldn't go through with it. I told her it was best to keep things as they were and always ITC. She took it in stride but looked a little bit disappointed. But we continued to have good times together from then on.
The whole ordeal made me realize the slippery slope with being with strippers. You do one thing with one that you didn't do before, and the next thing you know you are doing another. And another. Eventually I knew if I didn't set limits I would be her regular john seeing her as an escort.
So what I ultimately learned was to keep my own limits with strippers. And for me they were simple:
1) Always meet them ITC while working. No OTCs ever.
2) Always keep my pants on during dances and VIPs.
3) No direct contact and touching of each other's genitals. No FIV for me and to add I wouldn't even touch her pussy through a thong. And she couldn't reach inside my pants and grab my dick. Everything had to be OTP.
4) No kissing. It just wasn't my thing. Never cared for it with a sex worker.
So anyway I lived by these rules and for years I had great times for her and other strippers in general. It also gave me some comfort that my wife *might* not leave me over a stripper. If I ever got caught, I would be comfortable telling her about these rules and I'd take my chances on her staying with me. I also knew for a fact anything more would have ended in divorce. Fast forward to today and I'm still married and, like you, I don't go to strip clubs anymore. In retrospect I'm glad I never broke my rules.
And with my ATF DS, she learned to trust me as a regular ITC that would never try to use her and get more. We became business friends and had each other's backs while ITC. She told me all kinds of stories about being an escort and also shared tons of personal information about herself with me. I knew her entire family and saw so many pictures of them. She freely shared it out of trust. Since I wasn't an escort regular I think she treated me a little differently. I think most of her regulars eventually went OTC with extras with her but I was a little different.
So anyway, I thought I'd share because I relate to your feelings of guilt about cheating on your wife and how you became conflicted. Your story also makes me glad I kept my limits all these years. So thanks!
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3 years ago
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san_jose_guymoney was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
@san_jose_creep I dunno, my buddy who doesn't go to strip clubs, it sounds a lot like you just started feeling guilty about cheating on your wife in the process of trying to be with her. You said yourself that you were already cheating on your wife with AMP whores. You posted:
"Morally it wasn't worse than what I was doing on site with AMP girls."
^ This means you had already been cheating.
Now May comes along and is completely open about P4P and you said,
"I did consider in the week following renting a hotel room and calling May on the telephone number she gave me and trying to do OTC with her, and paying all customary costs."
^ Clearly, you started thinking hard about having a good time with her. But then you really didn't want to get caught. This shows you were conflicted:
"What I mean is, it was going further in terms of what could likely get me caught, and into serious trouble."
^ With this you clearly didn't want to get into trouble with your wife. And since you were already cheating on her with AMP whores, the guilt was building up. I read how many times you mentioned the word cheating throughout your post and you did it six times!
This was a key learning for you! 👏👏👏 I agree! You shouldn't have been cheating on your wife. It was bad enough already that you did it with AMP whores, but at least you made an effort to stop with May and didn't follow through with her.
But please note that by then, by your own admission with AMP whores, YOU WERE ALREADY A CHEATER!
And this would not have changed if you followed through with May. By being with those AMP whores, you already bore the mark of a cheater. But again, good for you realizing it later, albeit too late to prevent yourself from being one.
And lastly, I noticed how you tried to make the cheating about her. You said she assumed that you were a cheater, but I didn't see that. You already knew that you were is what I read.
And by saying that she would develop feelings for you by going further is pure speculation and an assumption on your part. More likely projection.
The bottom line is that you already were a cheater by the time you met May and you started feeling guilty about it yourself. It's good that you stopped then, but again it was too late.
Moral of the story: don't cheat on your wife and it will make you do all kinds of mental gymnastics to hide your guilt about it.
Great post, my buddy that doesn't club anymore! 👍👍
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3 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
I never understood this. Isn't it a given that you should like your own posts? It's the mark of a needy attention whore.
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3 years ago
@Cashman LMFAO After she smelled the burnt upholstery, did you tell your wife that you were lighting your own farts with your buddy? You know, for shits and giggles? Good cover!
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3 years ago
"If you can approach her in the right way which gets her into a makeout session, it will be completely different."
^^^ @san_jose_creep yeah and if I remember your threads about AMP whores and kissing them, they avoided it with you as much as possible. They made you take a shower, they wanted you to DATY them instead because it was better than kissing you, they told you Aunt Flo was visiting to avoid having sex, and after you kept creeping on them, they sought work elsewhere and disappeared on you. A different outcome for sure.
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3 years ago
@Warrior that's funny. "Lipstick? What lipstick? That was barbecue sauce, I swear!" Yeah when you are cold busted it is best to fall on your own sword and come clean.
Yeah to this day my wife doesn't know and probably wants to stay in her ignorance on how much really goes on in a private dance. There was a phase we went through, as cover, where we'd go to a club, tip at the stage a lot more than I would alone, and get a few dances at the same time with our own stripper. During those dances it was strictly one way touching and no genitals were ever touched. And I think this is still her idea of a typical lapdance. I think she'd be ok too with heavy grinding, but not to the level of OTP BJs and titfucks and stick shifting. But for years I rode on the ambiguity of it all while she allowed me to club.
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3 years ago
Hypothetically speaking only, I think it would work to her disadvantage with me. Like then I'd hold out as long as possible and intentionally take my sweet time. Go all tantra on her.
If she wants you to come fast then she should do something physical about it. Like fondle your balls or squeeze her pussy tighter or gyrate her hips more. Unless of course you take it as good dirty talk.
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3 years ago
@heaving I remember a couple of times I got home and didn't realize I still had on a wristband. I've also had to thoroughly shake all glitter off my clothes and hair. Never got caught doing either, though.
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3 years ago
@heaving and @Tetra in retrospect it's better to be open about it and have an agreement. We had this as well for a time, but eventually I abused that too. Went clubbing too much. And if she's not OK, then you have to decide whether you like being with her or going to strip clubs. Choose one or the other and move on.
I'd add that the only and lesser alternative is to never (ever) get caught. Don't make her have to deal with it. But also in my experience this is really hard to do. Nearly impossible. Eventually you'll make a mistake.
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3 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
twentyfive is well past menopause 😂
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3 years ago
behind *her* back
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3 years ago
Next time ask her if she'd give you a sloppy BJ at the regular rate if you'd provide all the additional spit. 😝
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3 years ago
"On the fourth day of XXXmas my stripper gave to me,
four minutes of makeout,
three private dances,
two OTCs,
and a lap dance in the VIP"
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3 years ago
LOL did the HJ rate start with just the thumb and forefinger with $20 for each additional finger?
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3 years ago
"On the second day of Christmas my strippers gave to me, a date of OTC,
and a lap dance in the VIP"
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3 years ago
Minor correction to twentyfive's post...
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3 years ago
^^^ 👍👍 good job @twentyfive
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3 years ago
"On the first day of XXXmas, my stripper gave to me, a lap dance in the VIP."
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3 years ago
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ItsmytimeI’ve had enough and I can’t take it any more
BA-DUM...TSSS
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3 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
"But a stripper can very easily view that same act as both personal judgment and rejection, ESPECIALLY when it cost her a lot of money. We shall see."
^^^ @rick why not get ahead of it and text her and tell her you should try for OTC another time when she was more sober? Also do it just to check in with her to make sure she got home ok?
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3 years ago
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flagoonerEverything written by this member is a fact.
Lil_Dougie be bumpin'
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3 years ago
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=betting+on+the+come&=true
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3 years ago
For those of you that didn't get it, the phrase is "betting on the come". And it's spelled as such.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=betting%2bon%2bthe%2bcome&=true
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3 years ago
If she's been with you before, she must know you finish fast.
So she's betting on the come, if you will.