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5 years ago
-->"Prefer latinas(Cubans, Mexicans, Puerto Rican, etc) but what cities have the most immigrant strippers?"
I am wildly attracted to latin women, but this post has made me realize that all my faves have been at least 2nd gen American -- born here, no accent, etc. I have not run into a ton of actual 1st gen latinas, at least in the higher end strip clubs I go to, no idea what's going on in the dives. There is (or used to be) a club here that kind of specialized in Asian immigrants, years ago, but doesn't seem to be that way anymore.
So I don't have much basis for comparison. I know by reputation around tuscl, 1st gen Cuban strippers seem to have a reputation for being worst-case hustlers and ROBs. The Asian immigrant strippers at the club I mentioned above, were very accomodating
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5 years ago
I have heard from multiple strippers that they like when OTC guys pull out coke, partly because strippers love coke, and partly because by the time they get around to sex at 4am or whatever, there's a significant chance the guys wont be able to get it up. Yes, I think when a combination of sex plus lots of time is available -- OTC, champagne rooms that have extras -- the night girls absolutely know this
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5 years ago
I've never seen anyone mention that before RM. But when I go to the SC alone, rather than in a group, it's almost always just before, or just after, a meet & greet. Similar reasons -- I'm dressed for it, I'm typically energized and in a mood where I love women, and extra benefit that by the time I've killed a couple of hours at the club rush hour is over
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5 years ago
For many years, I've taken my OTC girls to the strip club. My best buddy doesn't get it -- "taking sand to the beach", he refers to it as. But many, there is nothing more fun than a drunk stripper on an OTC, in a strip club. She loves the girls. The girls love her. The interaction between us all is awesome, but frankly, I'm just as thrilled just watching her flirt with and grope other strippers. And while I'm sure my middle-age bod drives her crazy, if we go to the strip club first, when we head to the hotel room she's legit hot and bothered
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5 years ago
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5 years ago
-->"Why keep the kitchen open?"
Chimera got it in the first response, IMO:
-->"Whenever a business does something that makes no financial sense, I first think zoning/govt regulations and then lawyers/insurance"
Specifically when it comes to the kitchen, their liquor license may require them to serve food during certain times of the day, or all the time they are open.
Obviously, they're likely making enough money during the daytime to stay afloat, more than what you're seeing. But generally, I'd say any nonsensical staffing decisions are the gubmint and/or lawyers and/or insurance requirements
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5 years ago
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azddOn the prowl in Tucson and Phoenix
-->"A large percentage of the club dancers also do SA on the side. I have met a few local club dancers on the “seeking.com” site. Along with the “legit” college students and single moms looking to supplement their income, there is no shortage of pros on this site."
Yeah, I've been saying that for a long time. I noticed many strippers on SA. Then, I figured, what the hell, maybe there's some way I can leverage this. So, when I get a stripper I'm interested in, I'd find some say to let it slip that I'm on SA looking for an SB. You may think this is an exaggeration, but it's not -- easily 90% of the strippers I've said this to are on SA also, we end up swapping profiles; I swear that once I mention that I'm looking for a sugarbaby, their eyes briefly turn into dollar signs, like in the cartoons.
-->"I’ve had 6 “dates” over the last 2+ months. $300 each time (she says she’ll stay all night for $500"
I've never had an SA girl charge this way, like a menu. It's a nearly surefire sign that you're dealing with an escort or other professionalized sex worker or hustler. Sugarbabies, like most strippers OTC, don't charge by the hour or extra for overnights, IME
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5 years ago
-->"^^^^ watch out subrA, this guy seems to have a crush on you"
Get in line, brother, get in line
lol
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5 years ago
Our tedious unfunny satire trolls, have their own tedious unfunny satire trolls. At some point we'll hit critical recursion
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5 years ago
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azddOn the prowl in Tucson and Phoenix
I think most PLs are far better off staying off Seeking. Most PLs don't want a traditional SB, as we've seen over the past few years when PLs here gave TRs. So right off the bat, there's a big female population on SA that isn't in your wheelhouse. There are loads and loads of escorts on SA, so you could do your escort chasing on there, but that seems like overkill -- why pay $90/month and deal with the incredible flake and ghosting level, plus all the scammers etc, when there are plenty of other ways to get a reliable escort? Which leaves the (ethically questionable, for me, though I know many disagree) strategy of pumping&dumping naive newer SBs who think you're interested in a real arrangement, which has worked for some guys here. But given that the flake and ghosting rate on SA overall is as bad as in a SC (all you need to do is read any sugaring forum to see every other thread is about ghosting, flaking, scammers, etc)... if you enjoy SCs, that feels like the best way to go.
I have spending as much time sugaring as SCing over the past few years, but I'm going after a regular arrangement, and haven't found a great ATF in the SC for a while. I'm in a funny position right now -- had a fantastic M&G and hoping for a first date with an SB this weekend. But I've also found my first stripper with ATF potential in quite a while, and might pursue her as well, to see if she's open to OTC and something arrangement-ish.
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5 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
Agree this thread is a disingenuous attempt to start a bunch of shit... I don't understand why.
I'm with DrStab, I'm an equal-opportunity negotiator, although not totally hard-nosed. e.g.,
-->"Like if you were willing to pay $300 but knew that she would accept less, would it sit right with you to offer a lesser amount?"
If I'm willing to pay $300, I always offer a bit less regardless of race. If she accepts, regardless of race, it sits just fine with me. If she counteroffers, regardless of race, if I were willing to go up to $300, I'll let her bargain me up to that, regardless of race. I'm a long-term CFer rather than a variety guy, so my negotiating isn't too too hard-nosed, as long as it hits my budget; if I'm offering OTC at all, I'm looking to build something repeatable and sustainable, within my budget. If I were more of a variety guy, I imagine I'd bargain harder -- again,regardless of race -- because who cares if she's not totally happy.
I NEVER know up front that "she would accept less", no longer possible for me to get that kind of g-2 (it used to be easy to get, pre-2013 when sfredbook got nixed), so it's never part of equation.
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5 years ago
I noticed founder did some editing. Probably to protect the delicate constitutions of the denizens here. My "no, I did not get any splooge in your hair" has become "No, I did not get anything in your hair"
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5 years ago
My tags in current rotation:
TUSCL: Bet you can't guess what I just did in my pants
tuscl: Because if you had friends, you'd be telling them instead
TUSCL - We prefer the waitress
TUSCL - We just got here, come by later
TUSCL - We've been waiting for you for 3 hours and we're about to leave
TUSCL - The bottom of my shoes feel sticky
TUSCL - No, I did not get any splooge in your hair
TUSCL - Ha ha! I totally did!
TUSCL - the retrograde ejaculation of strip club discussion
In retrospect, I continue to enjoy my contribution to that thread :) :)
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5 years ago
What you mean is, we PLs are hilarious. Founder has a good sense of humor about it
All those quotes are from a thread written by JohnSmith69, if I recall correctly, proposing we come up with tuscl taglines. Founder saw the thread and started rotating the taglines on the site
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5 years ago
-->"Spearmint Rhino in downtown, is useless (an no parking).
AJ's Bar is a pool-table, biker and bikini dancer bar (like Candy Cat in SFV)
Brass Rail is full booze bar and bikini dancers. The dancers are generally 7+. No laps as far as I can recall, and certainly no VIP's. "
I only figured this out in Brass Rail's last months, but the place was an OTC machine. I've wondered if SR is also, but haven't been back enough to try to find out. Generally, I'd say avoid the south bay clubs, period, they are completely useless IMO. Unless you figure out how to start pulling OTC from them, the way guys were from BR. SR has promise in that dept but I'm not motivated enough to put in the effort
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5 years ago
-->"Anyway, clubs in SF that are worth a shit are downtown. Meaning in an area that isn't automobile friendly. Parking downtown is a pita, with 6 block or greater walks being de rigeur, or else doing the pay parking lot thing. ."
minnow, this is the only thing I'd quibble with... maybe it's because I know the area better, but easy parking and incredibly short, safe walks, right next to some amazing neighborhoods to go explore for food, is how I'd characterize SF's clubs. Safe garage parking is one of the things I'm thankful for, and a plus for SF clubs.
If by downtown you mean the broadway (north beach) clubs, yes, you'll pay for a parking lot or garage. There are lots within a block of nearly every club. Basically, cheap, short, safe walks -- super convenient. I just looked at a map, and the only way you can end up walking 3 blocks is if you worst-case it and park in the lot way down by centerfolds and walk to Condor.
If you mean Gold Club, you park in the lot by the MOMA, basically around the block, short safe walk to GC. These are all like $10-$15 typically, noise level compared to overall SC budget.
Meanwhile, no argument the clubs suck. Gotta represent for SF SC parking, fam lol
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5 years ago
The downside of the Sac clubs just to save a bit, IMO, is these two factors:
1. By picking one or two local clubs that you can get to often (assuming you're interested in SCing this often), you can become a regular, get known to managers and staff, and that disrupts the lack-of-value curve to an extent. I can get away with way more touching than a rando customer, in the clubs where I'm a regular
2. Assuming he lives south of SF, given that the extras clubs are mostly useless (with an occasional upside surprise), OTC is part of what makes the overall value proposition of SCing worth it. And ain't no Sac girls driving 2 hours for an OTC. If you're an OTC guy, paying a little more for SF clubs, as an investment in finding your next OTC girl, makes it worth it.
If not for those two factors, I would only be SCing for the social aspect with my buddies, but would be spending less and cutting out all my solo trips
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5 years ago
"Mexican hat dancing circuit" is just a phrase we use to mess with SJG. These are sort of underground SCs inside regular bars
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5 years ago
@Greanbeans: Oh, coffee house! I'm aware of those but have never been to one.
There are also these restaurants and bars, usually Mexican, that transform into SCs of sorts at night. Around here they are colloquially known as "SJG's Mexican Hat Dance circuit", but they do actually exist. I had heard about them 3rd hand, and occasionally read news about LE shutting one down (they just pop up elsewhere). But when Brass Rail shut down, many of the old Brass Rail strippers went to one of these Hat Dance SCs, and a number of local PLs followed their CFs there and reported back firsthand. So at least for a little while, I had some firsthand reports and actually knew the name and location of the club.
I haven't actually been to a Vietnamese coffee house or Mexican Hat Dance SC though
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5 years ago
As I've gotten older I've become open to more and more bodytypes. But my single favorite has never changed:
- Overall "dancer's body", or body like a gymnast
- Slim, fit, firm
- Ass is heart-shaped, projecting, with pronounced lumbar curve
- Tits are mostly a don't care. On these types of bodies, they're usually small, firm, and gravity-defying, and I'm great with that
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5 years ago
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azddOn the prowl in Tucson and Phoenix
captain: definitely not for everyone. Note that everything described in the article is basically describing what actual sugarbabies and sugardaddies do. Some guys just use the site to find escorts, although it's still $90/month ante
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5 years ago
Good stuff Muddy. A couple of add-on comments:
-->"Gold Club- ... IME I went here multiple times but dayshift is superior to night. At least at this moment in time. "
The one gotcha on Gold Club is that it can draw huge sausage-fest crowds, which always brings out the sharks, high hustle, low hang-out-at-the-table time. And mileage seems to drop even lower. And dayshifts can get so busy that they get like this also. Every Friday afternoon dayshift I've ever been to here is like a Saturday nightshift anywhere else, packed with dudes and super high hustle, so I avoid completely. Mon-Thurs dayshifts are the best dayshifts... except when there's a big convention at MOscone Center, in which case, avoid the place completely. I actually check to see what's going on at Moscone before I bother going here. But, if nothing big at Moscone, even the dayshifts are full of gorgeous girls
-->"Penthouse has expensive dances $40 but VIP could be a good time. I forget how much off the top of my head it’s my review of the place though. Very nice club. Maybe THE nicest. "
The interior of Penthouse is easily the nicest in the city IMO. But beyond that, I found that for anything I could get at Penthouse, I could walk to Hustler, find a more attractive lineup, more mileage, and the bouncer isn't as involved in my ViP dances
-->"Crazy Horse was interesting. Coolest club I’ve ever been too, but just wish they had some hotter dancers. Maybe cheaper prices too. Make that definitely. "
I've only been there once in the past couple of years, but back around 2012-2014 I was a regular there. The lineups were hit or miss, but the epitome of "it only takes one", you could have the best time of any club if you found one great girl. Course they've jacked prices way up now
-->"Overall despite the money hurdles you have to jump I had a lot of fun clubbing in SF. I just had to alter my style a little to make it work. "
Yeah, I have a pretty amazing time SCing in SF. But I still recognize that from a visitor's perspective, it's horrible compared to most cities. I had to majorly change the way I SC. I"m impressed you managed to figure out how to work the system to have a good time so easily. Took me months to figure it all out.
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5 years ago
No, I haven't. I know there's a few bars that basically turn into SCs at some point on certain late nights, I remember some discussion on one of the locals board. I have never been to any though, and don't know about M Sports Bar specifically, alas.
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5 years ago
Ha, my last trip to Roaring 20s: a 4 comes shlumping out in ill-fitting lingerie and sneakers. Goes up on stage, half hearts it on stage, climbs down and asks me for a lapdance, then moves on. I figure things can't get worse, until the next girl who comes shlumping out is a 3, wearing ill fitting lingerie and sneakers. All the girls walk around in sneakers. A 5 is up next, wearing sneakers. Eventually two girls get into a fight that turns into a bench-clearing girls, as both girls friends jump in and it looks like a rugby scrum. I can't tell who is who. Are they all wearing the exact same sneakers??? Take the huge bouncers at least a full minute to break it up.
Okay, with that, here's a quick summary: expect nowhere near the experience you have down in LA, COI, etc, at least based on reviews I've read. Still, there is light touching all the way to extras to be found. Everything is expensive; the extras are priced outrageously by the standards of hte rest of the country (e.g., $200+ for a 12 minute HJ, and it goes up from there). The basic taxonomy:
The little DJV broadway clubs: I won't mention the clubs names, because if you say it 3 times, a girl wearing ill fitting lingerie and sneakers will dance around boredly then ask you for a dance. Go to these at your own risk. Some of these serve alcohol, some are nude.
The big DJV alcohol clubs: Gold Club, Hustler, Penthouse, Condor. Gold Club has by far the most attractive girls in the city, and the least mileage & touching allowed. Hustler is a step behind on attractiveness and a step ahead on mileage. Penthouse is a waste altogether. Condor is an interesting place -- and the oldest strip club in the country, if I remember right. A little heavier in suicide girl types, but plenty of your regulation strippers also; only open nightshift but by far the lowest-pressure least-hustle most fun nightshift.
The big DJV nude clubs. Centerfolds and New Century Theater. NCT is a den of robs, and to hear the local PLs talk about it, management is half the problem; avoid. I haven't been to Centerfolds but it appears to be "go on the right day, meet the right girl, and you can have a great time" place. Expensive regardless.
The big independent nude clubs: Mitchell Bros and Crazy Horse. Mitchell Brothers in its heydey is the best SC that's ever existed; from what i hear, a total waste now. Crazy Horse is an interesting place; what comes off as divey at first impression, becomes seedy charm as you get to know the place. Despite sometimes weak lineups and hustley girls, if you get the right girl, you can have the best time out of all these clubs. Unfortunately, in my opinion CH has always been a regulars' club -- because regulars learn who to avoid, which is key to having a good time here.
For the most part, my SCing these days consists of going to the big alcohol clubs and looking to eventually OTC... there's basically no ITC in these clubs. I occasionally branch out to the other clubs just to make sure things haven't changed and I'm not missing anything -- in-person research has become more necessary as the once-amazing online community has shrunk to almost nothing.
Avoid the San Jose clubs completely if you want touching
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5 years ago
-->"Write some reviews or pay the site for VIP membership. Contribute in some way. Then come back and ask. Otherwise fuck off."
Hmm, what's the tuscl etiquette? contribute reviews, or give him a summary? Seems like giving the guy a summary is reasonable