Comments by Leonard313 (page 3)

Well...speaking of needing therapy...

I've visited Vegas many times and never bothered with the strip clubs. From what I've heard, the pricing was insanely high and there's no extras provided. When Backpage was still up, there were a lot of active and attractive escorts in the area to cater to the hotel goers...but who knows what's happened to that scene now. I never really "partook" when I was there. I tried a massage parlor once, but it was just an HJ joint and not worth the time/money.

Okay Ricky...settle down. If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks. The OP came in here with a legitimate issue that most everyone that has ever been to a strip club has had. Many people have been supportive and offered him advice. Then you rolled up like some over-aged gigalow in a thick gold chain and pooped on him and everyone that tried to be supportive with a premise that is completely absurd. So, let me try to spin this back to an actual discussion. And, I'll try to do this without hurting the feelings of the few strippers that are floating around here and the even fewer strippers that have feelings...(they really don't give 2 shtts what we say as long as we pay em and keep our creepy stalking to a minimum) Women are like cars. Strippers are women. At least the ones I'm interested in. There are exotic sports cars, classic muscle cars, RVs, motorcycles, conversions vans, cargo vans, etc... Now...you can rent one of these when you need one or you can buy one. Ownership has it's privileges. You can drive it more often...you can fawn over it and show it off to friends. You can customize it and put it on social media. It's your's! But, it also comes with negatives of ownership. Maintenance, insurance, it breaks down from time to time and at inopportune times. It can be downright annoying at times. And it always is demanding some of your time. Not to mention, the money you have tied up in it means you can't go out and buy a different kind of vehicle that you'd like to try...like a motorcycle or RV or different kind of car. But, back to the OP and my comment...the more money you have...and the better looking you are...and more power you have...the more able you are to buy the car you want. If the OP wants a sexy asian goddess..whether as a weekend rental to accompany him on vacations or for weekly OTC action, or to take to Paris or maybe to get engaged and live happily ever after...it doesn't really matter whether he is in the market to buy or rent...that's up to him. But either way, it's like the wise poet "Young MC" once said...."You got no money, and ya got no car...then ya got no woman...and there ya are." YOUR assumption...flies in the face of every known social norm in Western civilization. This concept that a dancer/stripper...an 8-10 (out of 10)...who has men throwing themselves at her from 6PM till 2AM nightly...is then going home to some guy that is unemployed, slightly overweight, balding, smells like cheese, personality minus, and collects Legos. And she's doing this...because, despite the constant positive comments she is showered with for 8 hours a night...she is just so screwed up...and her self esteem so destroyed...that when she looks in the mirror she sees some type of weird reverse image staring back at her. I am going to call "BS" on your imaginary situation...because in all my years of going to strip clubs...I have NEVER seen that...not once. I've seen strippers that were screwed up. I mean, thats like high 90s percent wise. I think thats almost a given. And yes, some are living out of their cars. I've had some that, after OTC activities, have asked to spend the night because I'm fairly certain they didn't have anywhere else to go. BUT...I've NEVER met one 8-10 that didn't KNOW she was an 8-10. Of matter of fact, more often than not...it's the opposite situation. Usually you meet a 4-6 and she thinks she's a low "9" or you meet 7-9s that all think they are 10-12s. The strip club is the ULTIMATE ego inflator. It's 8 constant hours of men creaming in their pants when you touch them...men throwing money at you just for winking at them...men telling you they love you and want to take you home and marry you. I mean, just think of how many stories you've read on here about how many dudes have overpaid...out of stupidity or drunkenness or just getting carried away! So, I respectfully disagree with your assessment that the OPs woman would have acted the same way had he valet parked a Bugatti, had rock hard abs, and pulled out $8,000 rolled up in a rubber band. He could have bought her...he could have done whatever he wanted with her. The question is...as I stated in my response...why would you want to? With that kind of bank and physical condition...you can buy the car...you don't need to rent one. But, as you pointed out...maybe he doesn't want the maintenance and just wants to rent that one and then rent another one. It's all good. Me, "personally". Yeah...I'd prefer ownership over rental. I think most men would. I'm not judging those that don't. I respect those that are in your situation and already "been there, done that". If I won the Powerball tomorrow and had the choice to "rent" a different stripper every weekend or settle down with a 9-10 and start family #2...I'd probably pick the second option. Mostly because you'd probably get a lot VD and end up with a LOT of missing household items with option #1....but there's other reasons. The problem is...it LITERALLY...would take a Powerball win to get a 9-10 at my age. So, occasional rental is more in my market...and I'm okay with that if they are. But we don't "Dr. Duggan" popping in deciding who needs psychological help every time he reads a post just because the "The Dugg" is such a player. I mean, I still want the t-shirt...just not the therapy. I mean, unless you're legitimately liscenced...then we might as well set up another forum and you can offer a free service. Lord knows most of the people on this site could benefit.

I hope it was a signed guitar pick...because there's this thing called the internet...and there's millions of free pics on there.

I read the stupid article...even though it violates my rule about clicking random links on random sites. Just what I need...to get a Russian computer virus because of some dick named "crazy joe" talking nonsense about "head prices". Spoiler alert: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BJs. IGNORE.

Shadowcat is "selling the fantasy" that she did.

@rickduggan I don't really get what you're vomiting up. It "seems" like your whole response was essentially a Rick Duggan is a God advertisement. You don't need to pay for sex with beautiful women...all you have to do is sit back with your fly down and they just fall all over themselves trying to get to you...but you don't like the hassle...so you throw the dancers a bone (literally and figuratively). Is that about right? Wow. I'm sold. If you got any t-shirts...I'll buy one. I'm surprised the dancers even make you pay. If you're truly all that. As for your armchair psychology and broad generalizations about dancers...the problem with your analysis is..."many" dancers do have a shit ton of "issues". And, you're right...some of them...even the hot ones...are a hot mess. They have daddy issues, psychological issues, can't hold a real job, can't seem to pay their bills, fail out school every time they enroll, have a couple kids from different fathers, and there's rampant drug abuse...no doubt. But, lets break this down in "real" terms that most of us can visualize. Bree Olson and Sasha Grey. Two fairly well know porn stars. You may come across two dancers with bodies like that...maybe not quite that nice...but let's say 80% as good. And, I'm sure they have their "issues". Bree Olson and Sasha Grey...despite their issues and being porn stars...dated millionaires and movie stars. Their 80% dancer equivalents...would probably not want to date some guy that delivered pizzas or was the assistant manager at Best Buy. They probably wouldn't be all that impressed with Rick Duggan. Now...you're right...these girls have "issues". They spend their rent money on stripper shoes and new iPhones. They get high. They are usually as dumb as a bologna sandwich. They have panic attacks in the middle of a Denny's because the waitress gave them hot tea instead of iced tea. They have issues. No doubt. And they might not be "pedestal worthy". The fact that they have bodies that are better than 98.6% of women in the World....or that your heart literally skips a beat when they undress in front of you...or that you feel like a celebrity when entire rooms of people stare at you as you walk in the room with them on your arm...or that extreme feeling of happiness that comes over you as you watch them sleep next to you. Maybe these things aren't worth the annoyance of having to put up with their "issues". To each their own. I don't have to worry about it and neither does the OP. We're not in that "league" of the Rick Duggan where we have the game necessary to score such broads. We NEED that exotic sports car, washboard abs, wad of cash, etc... to coax them in our direction. We don't have that natural charisma and charm where we can just walk up to a perfect 10, grab her gently by the hand, and softly say to her, "Hi, I'm Rick Duggan. You're beautiful...but I also know you're fucked in the head. I got a pick-up truck parked in a handicap spot out back and I know a motel that rents rooms by the minute. How bout we blow this popcorn stand and I show you the best 12.5 minutes of your fucked up life before you have to go home to your depressed existence and have to go home to my wife and kids?"

@Drew When the stripper has to give the manager $45 to "rent" the VIP booth or a stripper has to give the bouncer/attendant $50 for a condom...I mean, do you honestly think the establishment has "no clue"? The clubs know EXACTLY what goes on in their establishment. There are no extras in Deja Vu. There's no guys banging strippers onstage at pretty much any club. BUT...there are many clubs where there are certain, specific areas...where services are rendered for an agreed upon price, with certain dancers, if certain rules are followed. It's that simple. The club allows it, under specific guidlelines and so long as they get their cut. Their cut covers their liability because should something go wrong...they are the ones that face the heat. Thats why it's so absurd when some of these dancers put down escorts or massage parlors but claim "dancing" is different. A SC is a brothel just like a MP. The only difference is who is doing the pimping. Now...to be FAIR...there is a difference (in many cases) regarding "willingness" of the worker in MPs. MPs tend to employ trafficked asians and latinos...versus strip clubs that tend to employ women working of their own free will. Thus, the price goes up. But, at the end of the day, you still have someone behind a desk making money off someone performing a sex act that isn't them. The house gets their cut. And, thats where OTC negotiations become so popular (you hear about them being discussed on these boards all the time). Once you can convince a dancer to meet you outside the club...suddenly things get a lot more affordable because you don't have to pay the house anymore.

These kinda posts are such nonsense because it's all relative to area. "Head is $2,000!" Where? In Manhattan? In Veil, CO? In Utah? In 2017, you could get FS for $40 in California and the Detroit area. $25 in Tijuana. Now, are those SC prices? No. SC pricing...you're gonna need to add the house cut, which is considerable. $50 in Tijuana. $150-$240 in Detroit. $75-$200 in Cali. But you're telling me...that BJ pricing...which used to be $20-$50 OTC...$50-$100 ITC...has went up 5x to 10x?? So, cover at the club that used to be $7-$10 is now $35-$100? Drinks are now $50-$100 per beer? We now stage tip in $5 or $10 bills? No more singles? Lap dances are now $100-$200 for 3 songs? I'd bet $1000 you can still get head in Tijuana for under $50. For $1000 you could probably get an actual human head. And if you can't find a nice twat in Detroit for $250...then what is this World coming to....because the Tijuana of the North has finally frozen over!! And if it's warm weather you crave...thanks to the most effed up immigration and trafficking laws in the World, California has all of Tijuana's desperation plus the woman have huge housing costs to cover...so, you should be able to dip your wick there too for less than $500. And Florida...well, everything is cheaper in Florida. I don't know what's going on in Colorado man. Maybe it's that thin air finally getting to you guys. But...if you wanna find decent priced head...you just need to come down from the mountain tops.

@Cashman I think you missed my point. I wasn't complaining. Of matter of fact, I pointed out that I didn't complain. It was "my bad". I was an idiot. I made a bonehead move. I deserved what I got. I don't know how many more ways I can say the same thing. Does that mean that the stripper is a saint? No. She "knew" I wasn't giving her an $80 tip on a $60 dance. She "knew" that...and she took advantage of the situation. The point of the story was: 1. If you hand your wallet to a stripper, you're an idiot and you deserve to go home with not enough money for a happy meal. 2. Strippers are inherently dishonest (or whatever term Icee wants to use...like "selling fantasies"). If you leave $200 on your kitchen table and a stripper comes over for an OTC visit....you might not have $200 on your kitchen table after she leaves. She may decide that is "her's". @Gammanu She wanted $400 for a BJ...I said I wouldn't pay that much. I tried to negotiate $250 for FS. She tried to sell me that her BJs were worth $400. We went back and forth and finally she just started going down on me. Afterwards she wanted $400. I told her (for about the 20th time), that I didn't agree to that...and she claimed I did and that she was already finished so I had to pay it regardless. I told her that was complete horse poo and I was a regular at that club and we could take it up with management. Her and I went to the bar where the manager was, she told the manager her version, I old the manager my version. The manager apologized for the confusion and we worked out a price that was reasonable and I paid it. I think it was $200...which is still far more than I would usually pay for a BJ...and definitely more than I wanted to pay given the attempt to rip me off. But, on the other hand...it was probably the best BJ I ever had...so, the girl was correct in that she definitely had skills. I had a feeling from the discussion with the manager that this dancer had been pulling this crap with other customers and they weren't particularly happy with her...so maybe thats why the negotionations were so relaxed...I dunno. The club doesn't have a lot of options. They are soliciting illegal services...so, they can't call the cops. They have no leverage. The best they can do is try to come to reasonable terms and keep everyone as happy as possible. It was a learning experience for me in that, after that experience, I NEVER move forward without knowing EXACTLY what I'm getting for exactly what price. Even though it kinda ruins the "mood" sometimes...I'm not going thorough that again. Between that experience and the song hustles...I'm tired of being ripped off and having to argue about stuff. The club is supposed to be enjoyable...not some drama-fest where you gotta spend 10 minutes arguing with somebody named 'Bambi" over whether she said it was $20/song or $20 for 3 songs and whether that counted the song that was ending when you sat down. I mean, nothing makes your dick softer than a stripper that can't wait to take your money, get away from you, and give you reasons why your time is up.

No...head is NOT $500 in most major cities and picking is NOT $1000. Thats Colorado craziness.

Does anybody think legalized weed is driving up the price of poon? I mean, most of the girls selling the goods are spending that money to get weed, edibles, oil, etc... That stuff ain't cheap. Sure, gasoline, groceries, everyday stuff is also more expensive....I just wonder if places (like Colorado) where people are also spending hundreds of dollars a week/month on recreational marijuana...if that isn't fueling the price increase as well. It seemed like, back in my Cali days, many of the escorts, dancers, and even some of the MP girls were always making a point to say they were 420 friendly and wanting to partake in pot smoking as part of the OTC action...so I'm thinking they need to make a little extra for the habit. I dunno...just a thought.

There's NO head worth $500. CrazyJoe...think of it this way: You still have two arms right? I mean, you typed this right? So, that means you have two hands right? So, how much is an HJ? If head is up to $500 in Denver...then HJs must be up to what?...$250? Last I checked...you got all the tools you need to give yourself a HJ. So, save yourself $250...porn is still free...the cost of vasoline isn't as high as gasoline...so have yourself a time. That...or move. Because, there ain't no way head costs $500 in CA, TX, FL, or MI...thats FO SHO. Not unless you're getting it from a mother and her twin daughters.

@ICEE If every time you ask me if you're pretty...I tell you that you're beautiful....then...yes...I guess you could "spin" it that I'm just "selling you a fantasy". Or, you could spin it that you're butt ugly and I'm a liar. It's saying the same thing two different ways. I once got a lap dance at a Deja Vu and instead of giving the stripper the $60 and a tip from my wallet, I gave her my wallet. She took the remaining $140 from wallet. Does that make her a "thief"? Does that make me a "dumbass"? Maybe a little of both? Is it a grey area? Should she have asked me how much of a tip to take instead of assuming it was the entire contents of the wallet and probably more than anyone has ever tipper her EVER? Did I report her as a "thief"? Hell no. That was my bad. Live and learn. All she did was rip off her fellow dancers because I was out of funds and me and my boys left earlier than planned. And, we never went back to that establishment...although, we probably wouldn't have anyway...Vus are low mileage clubs for baby boys. But, does she deserve a medal for honesty? Hell no. She knew what she was doing and she knew it was wrong and she did it anyway. I had a stripper in Anaheim try to charge me $400 for a BJ when I specifically said I wasn't paying that for a BJ. And in THAT case...I had to stand my ground and it was a big hassle. Fortunately, most dancers don't pull stuff like that. It's one thing when I make a bonehead mistake and hand my wallet to a girl. It's another thing when a dancer essentially tries to rob you.

Dude...you think you're the first guy that went to the SC and left disappointed? That line stretches from Colorado to Florida. I once spent an ENTIRE EVENING...and hundreds of dollars...having the best conversation of my strip club career...with a gorgeous stripper in Denver. I was convinced that she was going to go back with me to my hotel room when the club closed. She had me mesmerized. She was like a siren of Greek mythology. I waited in my car for like an hour and a half before finally realizing she is...a stripper. That means, she is...by nature...a liar. She got what she wanted and the bouncer drove her home. She never had any intention of spending the night with me. I was a transaction. Nothing more, nothing less. Well, I guess I was also a fool. So...a little more than a transaction. Does it hurt? Sure. We aren't immune from rejection when it comes from strippers any more than strippers are immune from rejection when it comes from patrons at a club. All those dancers that wanted your attention, that you passed on because they "repulsed you"...they have feelings too. Stipper feelings; but still. Would your Asian goddess with her silky tongue have turned you down had you had a 10-inch pecker, abs of steel, an exotic sports car, and a wad of cash the size of a softball? Probably not. But, if you had those things....you wouldn't need to rent strippers; you could own one.

SOG? Since somebody responded, I'll give you the second half of the story. 'Sort of' humorous: So, she arrives at my apartment complex and I buzz her in the parking garage. Now, I have two assigned parking spots that are between these two pillars (underground parking). I got the worst parking spots in the whole complex, but its really not that hard to park in the spots unless you're parking a van...or you're a female driver. So, she gets in there and asks if she can park somewhere else. I inform her that those are my only spots and she might get towed if she parks in the other spots or in the lot next door. She flies into a MINI TIRADE about how this is a new car and she's not gonna risk scratching it and this is BS. I mean, total psycho kinda episode. Then, like night and day, she calms down. I then offer to park it for her. She flies into ANOTHER TIRADE about how she's the only one that drives her car. Now, it wasn't a Porsche...or a Mercedes or anything. I think it was a Camry or a Cavalier or something lame. Finally, she calms down and agrees to just try and park the car...which she is able to do. She then gets out and hugs me and everything is normal...other than me being terrified by her dual personality. She pops her trunk to get a bag and I realize the only things in her car....and I mean the ONLY THINGS IN HER CAR...her a small bag/purse and a wig. I probably should have lead with this being my first real outcall experience. We went up to my apartment. I offered her some wine, but she said she doesn't drink and asked where the weed was...so I broke that out. We sat on the couch and she wanted me to rub her feet while we looked around for something to watch. Now, I specifically told her I wanted to watch a movie as part of this "date"...but she kept wanting to stop and watch anything that wasn't a movie (sports, newscasts, etc...). I think her hopes were that if we caught the end of a TV program or sporting event that would "count" as a movie and trim 2 hours off the stay. She was smoking a LOT of weed. And I was trying to just have a conversation with her. But, having a conversation with a stripper/escort is like trying to talk politics with a goldfish. She was all over the map. Strippers/Escorts lie so much, that they can't keep their lies straight. This is fine when you meet customers for 20 minute lap dances and then never see them again. But, when you're trying to have a 2-hour conversation...it gets confusing as hell. One minute, she didn't have kids, then she had two, then she had one at home, then she had one who was in a juvenile detention center. The first night I met her she had a dog, but then she didn't have a dog, but then later in the conversation she had a couple dogs. She would start stories about being in a car crash and getting arrested and then the stories would change into stories about suing somebody for hitting her where she didn't get arrested. And I knew better than to correct her. I treat stripper storytelling like old people with dementia....just let them tell the story and nod like it makes sense. There was very little to choose from in terms of movies. I finally settled on Platoon...which mainly was her choice. I'm not a movie efficinado. I've seen this movie multiple times, but it's not a "favorite" or anything. So, as we're watching it...the movie gets to the scene with the Vietnamese hooker...the "love you long time" scene. And these soldiers are essentially bargaining, in a very demeaning way, to bang this chick for like $1 or $5 or something like that. So there I am...on my couch...with a hooker....watching a movie about these guys insulting this hooker. I couldn't have been more embarrassed. Granted, it wasn't my fault! I didn't write the movie! I didn't even pick the movie! But still! It was embarrassing! I felt like I should apologize for their behavior. We eventually went upstairs when the movie ended. It was nice to have sex with her in a bed...instead of some "booth". And she actually was cuter that evening than the night I met her in the club. She didn't seem that into it. I've had better. I think she was hoping to get this over with quick and get her payday. Afterwards was weird. I didn't really negotiate an overnight...and I didn't really want her to stay. She was weird and she smoked most of my weed. She wasn't that good of a lay anyways. There wasn't that GFE connection that really sold me. But, I also wasn't sure how to get rid of her post-deed. Seemed kinda rude to just jump up, pull up my boxers, and say, "Okay, that was nice...now GTF out." So, we went back downstairs and just sat around awkwardly for about 15-20 minutes until I finally spoke up and said, "Well, I gotta get up early tomorrow...so I guess I should pay you so you can be on your way." As for the "value"....I can see what JApf is saying. GFE is hard to price. A girl that is REALLY GOOD...who you can actually take on a real date, take back to your place, and she can make you feel like she actually enjoys your company...that type of experience could be worth $250-$2,000 depending on the quality of the girl and length of time. But if "GFE" is just that she is willing to let you "sort of" kiss her or some she's willing to sit next to you while you watch a movie and she smokes your weed...thats really just a whore trying to score free weed. Any of us that have been doing this for awhile can all nod in agreement to the simple truth...that some girls know how to make you feel like they want you and some girls just don't. And that "lie"...thats the real difference. Thats the "talent". They all have tits, a couple ass cheeks, and a twat. But the ones that really have talent are the ones that get in your head and make you think they want you. Even us guys that think we can't be fooled or seduced....sometimes one of them will still manage to get us. Those are the ones that have "it". Those are the ones with real talent. And you need that talent to make GFE work.

I think I give them a tongue flick, maybe a light suck. I mean, you want to pay respect but act like it's not the first time you've seen a boob. SJG ^ You do realize you don't need to sign it. We see your username. ^^ What if there's a san_jose_girl? Same initials or SJGRL?

I think clubs in Michigan are no smoking indoors. Which, is odd that they smell so much like smoke given they are non-smoking. Interesting comments.

@Rod Interesting takes. @Orange I'm don't think I'm allowed to speak for God. However, I'm "pretty sure" His stances on obesity, rape, bragging, lust, and incest are well publicized. A little confused how that fits into the conversation...but I may have missed something.

@BitCoin So, if the club was next to a hospital she could have been a surgeon? Every stripper works inconsistent shifts.

I've never asked that question. Actually, I never ask them any questions. Why bother? Have you ever met an honest stripper? The answer is either "No" or "You're a fool." They lie about about everything. They won't tell your their name for crying out loud...what makes you think they are going to tell you their profession? Just listen to them tell you about their recent astronaut travels and nod in agreement while you finger them. Don't complicate things.

Thanks Jascoi. I look back at my p4p time in Cali with mixed emotions. I mean, I certainly enjoyed the ride and there were some experiences that I have a hard time regretting. Just some unforgettable beauties that really knew their way around a Johnson. However, there were some experiences where I feel an intense amount of shame. And it really comes down to whether I felt the woman was a victim of trafficking or not. And, in my/our defense...we don't know that going in. At least, I didn't. If I did, I wouldn't involve myself in that situation. I want nothing to do with pimps, solicitors, traffickers, or the like. I think they are the scum of the Earth. They are everything that is wrong with the p4p industry yet they seem to "skirt" punishment much of the time. The strip clubs were always the "better bets" because even though the house was getting a take of the action (sometimes too much of a take to be honest), you rarely found yourself in one of those pimp/trafficking situations like you did with escorts/massage parlors. Granted, you pay a premium at the SC. What costs you $100 to an escort or $175 at a massage parlor is going to run closer to $300 at the SC by the time you pay valet, cover, drinks, stage tipping, lap dances, waitresses, shooter girls, buying strippers drinks they don't actually drink, tipping the bouncer, paying the VIP fee, paying for a condom, paying for extras, and tipping for extras. Leonard313 and Hustler313? Sounds a bit incestual. But, yeah. I'll definitely look ya up once I get my place unpacked. Right now it still looks like a game of Tetris. I've unpacked the condoms, sex toys, and pornography...the essentials...but I still need to focus some effort on finishing my move before focusing on reinvigorating my strip club review game.

I can't do strip clubs without privacy. Don't get me wrong...I've actually participated in gang bangs and had sex in front of groups of people...but strip clubs are different. At the gang bangs, everyone is kinda there for the same reason and minding their own business. At strip clubs, you got dudes just there sipping beers "taking in the show". I don't really want to be part of their show. Besides, if you're paying for a "private" dance, that implies "privacy". It's in the name. "Privacy" is not a couch by the jukebox or a chair near the coat room.

I LOVE Casey's review! Maybe if she balked at the BJ you'd have offered $200 for a handie? Just kidding. We were all rookies once.

Apparently the lie I tell myself is that I'm smart enough to spell "Strip Clubs". Is there no "edit" feature to the articles?