Comments by tenisbum1776 (page 2)

My best OTC experience was with a 35 year old lady who possessed all the physical qualities that turned me on. Waist length brown wavy hair, fantastic natural breasts, tight ass and sweet pussy. She made me feel like I was the most fantastic lover she had ever had in her life. Of course it was an act but the fantasy was a complete turn on. Best $200 I've spent in a long time (plus another $75 for the room). Regrettably she is no longer returning my calls as I'd like to enjoy her company again. My best ITC was in Charleston SC in a club called Jaguar's. The girls stage name was "Heaven" and I spent $350 for 45 minutes in VIP. Normally VIP in this club is 30 minutes but the lady has the ability to extend for 15 minutes if she likes the guy. I was REALLY fortunate she liked me! She is an absolutely drop dead gorgeous 22 year old knockout redhead with a fantastic body. There was no sex (oral or regular) involved but the intimacy and intensity of the session created a fantasy I will ALWAYS remember.

I think going through the last 6-10 reviews for any one or two clubs is a pretty simple thing but when there are 8 or miore clubs in the city that process can be a bit ponderous. Maybe a possible solution might be to assign each review a "letter grade" based on the points assigned by the reviewer. Then have the computer calculate the average for all reviews in the past 1 year, 3 years and total. That might give somebody a quick overview ranking of the best clubs in any given city.

Belly and ear I've got no problem. Other places, man I guess I'm just too much of an old fuddy-duddy

I like it when the stripper wraps her long soft hair around your dick and uses it while giving you a hand job. It's so soft and smooth - it feels TREMENDOUS!

Two Russian wives and business interests in Moscow since 1997. I make at least 2 trips per year to Russia. My language skills are MUCH better after I've been there for two weeks and I'm forced to use the native language.

A good tuscl'er should: 1) write accurate reviews 2) participate in discussions and be respectful of other people in the discussion, He/she should not ridicule or antagonize other members 3) offer helpful advice to neyophites who are seeking help from the more experienced 4) debate and disagreement is a natural by-product when people express their opinion. A good tuscl'er will discuss the issue in a manner that is respectful to other members and not engage in ad hominem attacks.

I speak enough Russian to get by but nowhere close to a native speaker. I congigate verbs incorrectly and my accent is horrible but most Russians can understand what I'm saying. With the increasing number of strippers in the USA coming from the FSU (former soviet union) it has come in handy in strip clubs on occasion; mostly for the shock value. One night two FSU strippers were sitting at the table next to me. They were talking about me in their native language and I understood about 80% of the conversation. Finally one of them started to stand up and said to the other (in Russian) "I'm going to go see if the fat stupid looking American wants a dance". I turned and in my best Russian replied "I only LOOK stupid." The girl immediately stopped, her eyes as wide as saucers, turned around and they both walked away completely embarrassed. One night a stripper with the stage name of "Tatiana" approached me and with her best Rocky & Bullwinkle "Moose and Squrillel" Russian accent began talking to me, trying to make me believe she was of Russian heritage. A few simple replies in Russian and she finally smiled, gave me a kiss on the neck and said, "OK you busted me". Went on to teach her how to say several choice sentences like "You are very handsome" and "You have a big dick" to help her pull her deception off better the next time :-) One night in the private dance room at The Harem, I overheard a stripper giving specific instructions to a customer who was obviously a Mexican laborer in very native sounding spanish. The girl didn't look of latin decent at all so I'm sure she either learned it in school or from her family. Kinda surprised me a little bit.

I'm a day shift guy and I can't remember the last time I had a dance with a girl who WASN'T a single mom. @rickdugan: I'll have to come visit you. Ya pinemyu e gavarot par Ruskie :-)

EPILOGUE: Went to the club last night guess who was the first person to rush over and greet me when I sat down? That's right the lady this discussion has been talking about for the last 50 comments or so. The first thing she did was APOLOGIZE to me for being so rude and unappreciative. She said she was having some financial problems at home and her initial reaction was that she was shocked, angry and suprised when I applied that $50 to the money she owed me. After thinking about it for a couple of days, she decided that what I did was right and fair since she knew she owed the money. It was the shock of doing the work and not having the money in hand afterward that caused her to behave in this manner. She said she mistakenly felt like she had been used. She showed me the new phone. Told me how much she loved it and immediately gave me her new telephone number. STRIPPER TRANSLATION: Your damn right I was pissed off. I grinded my ass off for those 4 dances and wanted my money. But after a few days of working in a tough and ultra competitive club environment WITHOUT your regular customer support my income level dropped significantly. I was watching you give MY money to those other whores and that pissed me off even more. Therefore I decided I'd better bullshit you and try to get you back as a regaular customer again, even if it means I have to begrudgingly pay back the $130 I admit that I owe you. Always the gentleman, I apoligized to her and told her I handled the situation in an insensitive manner myself. I told her I should not have demanded that 100% of the earnings for the 4 for $50 be applied to the debt. I should have allowed her to make lesser payments. We agreed that would be how things would work until the debt was paid. Anyway, we ended up in the private dance room where she gave me a special "make-up" 4 for $50. I asked her if I could pay her $25 and apply $25 to the debt and she smiled and said "Of course". All's well that ends well. We'll see if she can hold my interest long enough for me to get my remaining $105 back.

@rickdugan: My hindsight discussions were just some "armchair quarterbacking" after the fact on how I could have made that situation a bit more palatable. Trust me brother, no more loans to strippers - EVER! @Papi_Chulo: I think you are exactly right. She got the phone in her hand without having to pay for it. Although she promised to pay for it with future services, I don't think the consequences of that promise rerally sank in until she was directly confronted with the reality of providing services that resulted in zero cash in her hands afterward. I'm sure the red light went off in her head, "Hey! Thats $50 that I was going to use for food for my kids, to pay the electric bill or buy blow for my unemployed boyfriend". I'm sure she considers me a first class son-of-a-bitch for holding her to her agreement; but I didn't notice her making any effort to return the phone to me. Stripper rule #1: Cash and merchandise only flows one way . . . towards them. The only power you have is control of that cash. More times than not, you lose it when you make a loan. Plain and simple.

@Estafador: {smile} I have to remember that you're a bit younger than most of the rest of us here. "Coffin nails" is a slang term for cigarettes.

I'd say it's "yes" to both questions. Classic "chicken and egg". People have addictive personalities. She would have become an addict anyway unless she had the self discipline to avoid that first snort. Strip clubs provide the easy money to continue the habit for a time. But as the habit grows more powerful and the income dwindles because of the physical negative effects of the drugs, she turns to OTC to make up the difference. I'd guess a more thought provoking philosophic question is are we enabling this destructive personal behavior by giving these women the money they need?

@Estafador: Thanks dude. Good analysis. And for the curious: 1) she's already been replaced and 2) she has already approached me to apologize and asked for more dances. I was right on both counts. You hold the power with your wallet. Absolute truth there.

In all fairness, this story has to be told as well. My very first OTC lady called me from Florida and was short money on her vacation. She asked if I could wire her $50. I sent $100 with a $12 fee. She thanked me and promised to pay me back in OTC services. While in Kentucky, she asked me to pick up a carton of coffin nails because the price is about $1.30 per pack less than in Ohio. She also promised to pay me back at our next OTC. At our next OTC, she cooked me dinner, we did our thing and at the end she said "That is $200 minus the $112 from Florida and minus the $37 for the cigarettes equals $51. Paid her what she asked for and everybody left happy. That's the way I THOUGHT this kind of arrangement should work every time. One thing you can say about the consistency of strippers is that there is none :-)

@Inno123: No she didn't. See my post upthread. This club doesn't charge the girl by the dance, but a flat fee depending on when she walks in the door and is ready to work. The repayment DID in fact cost her nothing but time. I thought we did have a clear understanding at the time the deal was made. She clearly understood and agreed when I gave her the phone that I expected repayment from future ITC and OTC services. Seems she forgot her own agreement when the time for the first repayment came about an hour later. As I said before, if I had to do it all over again, I would have probably paid her $25 and told her that I was applying the other $25 to the debt; that way she would have has something in hand for the effort. But I just didn't want to get involved with being an accountant for stripper loans.

@stenton1: "You hold the power with your wallet!' I think this is RULE #1 in all dealings with strippers. Whenever in double, do back to this rule. By giving her a loan, the power of your wallet is now under HER control, not yours. Of course it depends on the ethics of the girl and I'm sure there is some percentage that would pay you back every dime; but I'm guessing not the general population as a whole. Lots of good advice here. Don't lend money to anybody unless you are fully prepared to consider it a gift.

@georgmicrodong: Not the case. This club has a very small house payment ($6.00 if ready to work by 3pm; $11 if ready to work by 6pm; and $16 after that plus DJ tip-out). The girl gets to keep 100% of what she makes in the private dance area. VIP is $150 for 30 minutes, house takes $50 and Champaign Room is $350 for 30 minutes and house takes $100.

@duomaxwell: You pay the "prevailing rate". The girl is easily replaced in my region.

@jester214: "She's done with you. Your business isn't worth her having to give you $130." Yes that is the choice she seems to have made. I don't think she's going to easily be able to replace the $700/month cash flow I have been providing. My guess is she will come back within 2 weeks, all smily and touchy-feely looking for fresh money again. She certainly hasn't called me with her new phone number yet (Bwahahahahah)

@rickdugan: 100% right. In hindsight I probably should have lenghtened the payment plan so that she was keeping something from her work and paying me back little by little each time. When I owe somebody money, I don't consider that I'm working for free to pay back the debt. I mistakenly assumed strippers would share the same ethic. That was definitely naive. Wouldn't it be a blessing if all life's lessons could be learned at an expense of only $130 net?

@Clubber: I'm holding a Patron 1926 80th Anniversary cigar with Madero wrapper just for you good buddy. It is the finest cigar I've ever smoked including all Cubans. About $32 per stick when you can find them. Let me know when you casn make it back to Dayton to claim it. Have fun during the game. BTW, no phone call. Think "the situation" has died down quite a bit now. Time heals all.

@Samsung1: Actually have a "private show" set up during all the pregame hype this afternoon. But I did make a small wager on the Ravens +4 to win and an even smaller wager that the opening coin toss will be tails at even money :-) We both know you'd do better at Harem or Cheeks than anyplace in Columbus.

@shadowcat: In Jamaica a couple of weeks ago, the tour guide told me that the strip clubs in Montego Bay featured live sex shows on Saturday nights. The name of the club was Dreamz. He said it was in a series of acts during the regular show of strippers.

@Playcity: Fair enough points. I did ask her about buying the phone beforehand. I told her approximately how much it cost beforehand (I said $120 and it was actually $130). She did tell me that she wanted a phone with internet access. Her previous phone was one of those cheap "Star Teck" flip phones. She was absolutley delighted with the phone when she saw it. I gave her the receipt and told her she could return it if she wanted a different or better phone.

@AFriendOnTheStreets: Valid point and good suggestion. I'm sure she had it in her mind that she "earned" that $50 and was counting on it to make her $200 per day go-home goal. To leave her with nothing might have seemed injust to her. Personally, I didn't want to get involved with a long drawn out accounting of how much she owed. The nexy hassle would be the debate; "No I only owe you $75 not $80" with every dance. I was doing the girl a favor getting her the phone NOW instead of having her save up to buy it over a number of days or even weeks. Trust me, the uncollectable debt is long written off to the "lessoned learned" debit side of the ledger. I was giving that girl $50 x 2 per week and another $150 every other week for OTC. She won't get another dime from me until the debt is paid in full. In effect she killed "the golden goose" because of a hissy fit over paying back $180. These strippers can be much too short sighted. Her loss not mine. She can be easily replaced. I make over $200 per hour. But for her the loss of this consistent cash flow will likely cause some hardship for her and the family she supports. Hope she's enjoys the phone.