Comments by davephx (page 6)

Hey, some of old geezers have this as a favorite I think I speak for our gang of 3 or 4 :) Never do VIP but have enjoyed great floor dancers at times. Prefer the slender smaller breasts!

benhenricks, I believe the review said "She stated the dances given along the wall were 15 and not 10" and the 10 that was earlier reported is not true. Use to be a favorite club for decades but not interested anymore. I just returned from Germany, FKK clubs etc.

I have only been to Oase and FKK Mainhatten (see that shorter review). For what I enjoy - more the sensual intimacy side - my experiences in Toronto have been much better. But if you just want hot sex the German FKKs may be perfect.

WAZE also works great in Frankfurt. Mostly used Google Maps especially in walking mode on some long walks. Or, the Uber app which shows cars bear you or when you order one shows the track on a map of the car coming for you with detailed information. Went to Heidelburg on Sat the big castle and wonderful reviews but on a tour. Took Uber to and from the pickup location which was near the Central Train station. Not knowing German not any problem. On trains, they have extensive schedules and maps on bahn.com and many other sites if you google train schedules Frankfurt. I was planning to plot out some train routes but then just found Uber far easier and more convenient at a reasonable cost vs taxi. All drivers were great.

I am now in Frankfurt, was at Oase and Mainhatten last two days - 3 and 5 gals at $50 for 30 minutes. I bet a cab driver told you uber was not in Germany. That is very false. I have been Ubering all over the area for the last week and much less expensive than taxi with fixed fee you know ahead of time not rely on a meter. I love the Uber app. Haven't been to Sharks yet but from my hotel by the Skyline Plaza to Oase which is maybe not quite as far out as Sharks the Uber is 37E vs Taxi 50E You can get the price on the Uber app ahead of time for any trips. I've maybe done 10 Ubers all over and they all were within 3-6 minutes away when I used the app to find one. Very good service. I do not know a word of German and that has been no problem. Actually I used the $5 Oase Shuttle to get to Oase but had priced out the Uber. On the way home at 11:45PM, I was waiting for the shuttle but a must have been desperate taxi offered me 15E direct to hotel which was worth it so didn't have to uber from the Fairhesse or Train station where Oase shuttle goes. I decided not to tackle the train system since I like Uber so much more and just more convenient for the price - especially since so much less normally than taxis

Can't edit? Then when get home would try and read my fast notes and while memory fresh write more extensive notes. Often do one for posting on boards like this without as much personal info and then also keep for self-more personal notes from the discussion I had with them.

I have a complete record of clubs, who, something about them and my "intimacy rating" on a 0-5 scale with 5 being rare (as you see in my Phoenix reviews). Records go back to 90's. I have a very poor memory so have a tiny pocket pad in my shirt pocket. Once after doing reviews of like 15 dancers from 3 clubs, I forget either in Mississauga or the older days in Niagara Falls (Canada) someone asked me how in the world I keep track. My secret was exposed (pun). At some clubs where I prefer to stand (holding up a wall column at some Niagara clubs), it is hard not to be noticed when writing notes so I would often visit the restroom to write notes and not be seen. Once a dancer asked what I was writing about which made me switch to more men's room visits. I also like to wash hands for health reasons after/between some dancers. No legal issues in Canada, but when in Phoenix don't want the dancer to see me and think I might be undercover cop writing notes since they hang out in clubs looking for illegal contact. I am an analytical type- probably my CPA firm background showing - use to be a senior tax guy at a then "Big 8" (old Touche Ross long before Deloitte merger.

It would be helpful if with a long hotlist could order clubs by date of last review so don't have to scan them all to see which are new since last visit.

Wow - Chili Palmer brought back memories of Hostess clubs in LA like 20 years ago with TenFree and Z-Bone days. I thought of looking up current status since am debating a trip to SF in October for the 9th Circuit oral arguments challenging the prostitution law I have reported on extensively. As I recall the good SF strip clubs are very expensive... but maybe take a side trip to LA just to check out some old clubs (one closed long ago for the new big convention center). As I recall Starlight was mostly a very expensive buy the lady a drink Asian club. Club Fantasy I think I liked alot. Also the strip clubs in City of Industry I often enjoyed. Recall "Boss club" but not sure I ever went there for some reason. As my many strip club reports in Phoenix show I am more into caring touch intimacy not the usual sex and recall liking that at the hostess clubs (and some SF strip clubs). But am not a big spender, paying hostess same as hourly rate is fine but read someone said double that for couch work would probably not interest me. Also like "intelligence' and clear English. Seems a lot less good English speaking gals then in the old days. Zero interest in buying expensive drinks. I don't even drink just have diet coke or Pepsi if a minimum drink required at strip clubs. Am just starting to do some research to decide if the cost of a trip to LA or SF is worthwhile. I have fallen in love with Toronto area without any legal issues but only can afford one trip a year for 10-14 days going back about 10 years (my site sexworktoronto.com) Thanks for the fond memories from many years ago!

K, You have to study the original Greek and Hebrew vs today's translations that all have a bias. Example "fornication" is porneia in Greek and is not about unmarried sex. You also have to understand the culture in which written. For example, adultery is a property right issue husband owning his wiveS and concubines. The bible never claims to be inerrant just "useful for doctrine and reproof". Man decided what ancient writings make up the "bible" at the Council of Trent. Many other books many said the opposite of the Bible were rejected. Remember the books that man determined to be the Bible were written long after Jesus's death. And koline Greek was the spoken language in NT times. Lots of issues trying to translate what was recalled in koine (sp?) Greek into modern Greek. BTW, King James was gay. Of course, there is nothing wrong with being gay. Pederasty etc.. long story. It would be just as unnatural for a person born gay to have sex with a woman. What was wrong was after defeating an enemy in a battle for heterosexuals to force anal sex on other males to shame them. You mentioned Usenet in the BBS days. Yep, I was very active on the alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup with 300 baud dial ups and packet readers. I was one of the first to use the term GFE and it had nothing to do with anything sexual but a real connection for the moment.

Meat72 - Yes I have been a late night person all my long old life. I am at my finest between about midnight and 5 AM! I have my own business and office in home, I just don't schedule any client meetings or return calls till afternoon since need about 6 hours of sleep. I tend to be very busy rest of afternoon and early eve so escape late at night before the clubs close. However, I like to try day shifts also at times when I can.

I stopped by Hi-Liter around midnight Sunday night. Nice chat and a few dances with two gals and I talked to one of the bouncer/doormen. None of them had heard of what was described. However, none of them worked Friday afternoon (I believe that was when the reports was for). Bouncers were watching floor dances making sure no breast contact, although I saw that violated a few times. Most dancers seemed to be trying to avoid. It was not very busy.

I was like you but about 40 years ago as a former Billy Graham counselor, elder in a conservative Christian church etc. Then I found more "love" in a strip club a few blocks from a Jesus People Church in downtown Minneapolis. I became friends with a stripper who "serviced" the minister of the Jesus People Church. That started my interest in strip clubs but my interest is caring touch intimacy not the usual sex stuff. Then I formed Liberated Christians (libchrist.com) more for poly or swinging and hosted the Phoenix Couples group with 350 members. I was a Lifestyles convention speaker (Swingers organization) on "Swinging Christians not a Biblical Conflict" Last I looked Lifestyles Org still had tapes of me for sale. Since singles have no business in swinging for good reasons was frustrated with how to help all the single guys especially when our group made the front page of local New Time with a great humorous article "What are you doing on Sunday morning?" That led me to various forms of in private consenting adult sexwork. From the biblical standpoint I have an article http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/christian.html

Re Blue Moon Good point it doesn't have a liquor license however if Phoenix vice ever acted every worker could be charged with a criminal enterprise felony with potentially decades of prison time far worse than the citations at Hi-Liter. Blue Moon goes far beyond what is common at Hi-Liter and less private. Zillions of massage places and agencies have been shut down with zillions of criminal enterprise felonies in Superior Court for mere "association" even if no evidence of illegal acts for a specific gal. They will all be indicted by the Grand Jury for mere "association" like many over the last few years including the 38 wonderful women at the Phoenix Goddess Temple. All the gals took mostly felony pleas to avoid like 40 years in prison which was given to each in a "Donald Advisement" by the judge. The leader Tracy had a long trial and within a few hours found guilty and now in prison. I believe if Tracy had a bench trial by the judge instead of a jury she could have won on no fee arrangement. A donation was suggested and given AFTER the session. There was no agreement for sex for money. Infamous NV brothel pimp Dennis Hof testified on how this was no way to run a prostitution business. Also the testimony of the founder of well-known sex institute testified of the hypocrisy since he was contracted by the Navy to provide prostitutes from Isreal for sailors. I had a nice chat with Huf and was standing next to "founder" when he received call from the Dept of Defense which sent a jet to get him out of Phoenix so as to not testify further. This is all in the public record.

The strip club ordinance has not been enforced at any clubs for a decade. Now guys have taken it too far and some clubs are like brothels at least in the VIP. Surprised Blue Moon hasn't been visited. Under the ordinance passed in 1999 (I was at City Council and spoke against it and then represented a club at Assn of Strip clubs owners led by Damian of Alaskan Bush), a dancer can not even sit in your lap. For a few years, dancers have to have feet over the legs of chairs in the odd position and not in your lap. Lots of undercovers watching for any illegal contact and I know owners that had to pay fines or shut down for 10 days for any minor violation. Today you give a guy an inch and many want a mile and have forced the city to take the ordinance more seriously since guys want more than even a liberal interpretation. This is not Canada, we are controlled by the law written by the Christian group in 1998 to be sure we followed THEIR Christian values. They brag about how they helped zillions of cities across America make laws under the bogus silly excuse "to make communities safe for children and neighborhoods. I wrote extensively about this in 1998 and spoke at community meetings before it went to the council. New Phoenix Ordinance = Abuse of Women At Strip Clubs. The new ordinances define a woman as a sexual object for tease. http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/Phoenix/abuse.html VIPs are supposed to be in "line of site" of managers who are responsible to ensure no illegal activities

This is probably related to the 32 illegal sex acts citations from a few months ago which are still pending admin action by the liquor commission. Sad if the VIP activities ruin things for the main floor area. Obviously, this is bad.

As with many U.S. cities police are getting huge grants from the "rescue industry" that are getting millions in support to fund campaigns of lies, phoney stats etc to justify going after in private consenting adults. But the hype is all about sex trafficking, which includes a phone helper, the boyfriend as driver etc. Or the pimp can be the husband of the sex worker if her money is shared with him.

shailynn- Thanks for comments! I will be back in Toronto (actually Mississauga, after the Falls) in a few weeks. I have a separate log in here on TUSCL for my Toronto ID to keep them separate. And as always for over a decade I will be active on terb. Am going to relax more this trip and no be so active at clubs and my favorite activity is nude-reverse adult massage in "Sauga". Also spend time with a friend there.

Good comments. Yes I would be leery of going out with a woman in the audience to her place. The one time I did with a stripper, I felt some safety in the very strict dancer licensing requirements so her ID and information would be obtainable if anything bad happened. However, this was a concern. Once I took a dancer somewhere and she told me she has weekly meetings with the head pastor for sex of the "Jesus People" Church near the strip club (Long ago Minneapolis - Hennepin Ave) where I once lived. On the recent (last night) guy, I don't think he was drunk - not slurred, but intelligent just non-stop banter that I had no interest in especially when it got to the F word. Furthermore, after the dancer was with him long, long talking but seemed clear-headed. That is why I think AFHD symptom of hyper-focus may be more likely.

Interesting, there aren't that many female customers in most of the clubs in Phoenix. Once in a while but they are almost always with other guys. I am the opposite having no interest in drinks or naked women from afar. The music is just noise to me. I am interested in connections for the moment and quality touch non-sexual intimacy. Many dancers are in my lap not on the clock enjoying my massage (been professionally Esalen trained and taught couples). I've seen zillions of nude women, no big deal. Have been to clothing optional beaches, places and retreats. If I have to drink, I'm known as a diet coke fan. In at least some clubs in Ontario, they have a rule of no single women not with a male. I guess dancer jealousy or something. Had become friends with an escort who asked me to take her to the club (Hamilton Strip). Did and she had a wonderful time with lots of great interaction with the stage dancers (she is bi). If a female customer wanted to go out with me if it was for a reasonable fee and I felt safe (like to my place), I would jump at the chance. Strippers, however, want far too much for "take out". In more than 30 years (am an old guy) never had a female customer approach me (nor male!) but have gone out with four strippers. One at a very low fee (she was desperate but worked out nice), and 3 others just wanting to be friends without any fee.

P411 Gina is very good requiring references to get listed etc. Even what I consider one of the most secure boards has been infiltrated by LE with millions of donations and grants going to the "rescue industry" and under the sham of "trafficking" Pimps and under aged are common on BP but not P411 TER is directly linked to a criminal enterprise and police have evidence books full of TER reviews. With founder to be released soon from prison I would not be surprised TER will be the biggest FBI bust in history (like TBD was a few years ago)

They are just following the strip club law that passed in 1998 written by the religious right (I spoke against it at council meetings and represented an owner at a owners association - led by then owner Damian of Alaskan Bush). It was worse when fully enforced - could not sit on laps, dancers had to straddle over arms of the chair and not be on the lap. Then for years, no enforcement and now focused on the Z family related clubs, especially with a Z a very minority owner of Centerfolds but the very bad city council meeting with neighbors wanting to be sure the club never got a liquor license.

Oops, not $6/minute but 0.6 i.e. $36 an hour I believe.

Herbcat - Thanks. I keep up reading on the hostess clubs here - especially Fantasy if as I recall that is the one you walk downstairs to get into. But have had no real other reason to do to LA haven't been like for 20 years! Ten??? use to have a great guide to the clubs back in the day. It is a short airline hop from Phoenix so someday I might for old time sake. I enjoy the cuddling on the couches etc without looking for more especially at $6/minute with "tip" to gal about the same. But not being able to mingle was always an issue for me. JimGassagain - Raven did a gang of 3 couch dance laying on us all a few times ago. We could even be 5 if heellover's wife joins us as she did once and enjoyed us all I am told! Otherwise, we don't do more sex together. I had hoped to have my Toronto friend join me at FKK clubs in Franfurt in a few months, but he had to defer to maybe next year.

Opps I keep doing that!! Raven sounds like a bird that picks up dead animal bodies off the ground...maybe wrong. Raven at Sugar is the opposite. So I have to think of the bird but a great one. I have no idea why my neurons in my old brain keep digging up Renee instead of the amazing Raven! I need to repeat her name 100 times!! I know her when I see her regardless of name!