Comments by davephx (page 5)

If I want to return to a topic I posted on a few days ago, "sort by last comment" doesn't really help much since sill have to look at all the topics to find down to the one I am interested in.

San-Jose-Guy Not really. Remember in Canada it is ILLEGAL for a customer to offer money for sex to an escort. The escort is totally legal but not the customer. It is only because of Police decisions in most major cities NOT TO ENFORCE C36 if private consenting adults. Most LE realizes it makes it safer for all than to force it underground where more likely to be abuse etc. Further, the constitutionality of C36 is now being challenged in the London case and it may be declared void for the "safety of persons" under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms just like the prior prostitution laws were voided by the Supreme Court of Canada.

Call.Me.Ishmael - Correct there is no problem hiring an escort in Montreal. The French Canadians are often more my type of intimacy (more than sex). I have sexworkmontreal.com but only from about 15 years ago as I have been going to Toronto ever since (and Victoria BC before that). Montreal PD did do a press release when C36 made law. Montreal is a bit less expensive for escorts however I don't know a word of French so seem English speakers (one reason I favor Toronto) I am tempted to return to Montreal this next summer. For escorts in either city I almost always use the reliable well known and reviewed agencies - there are many of them on the boards like terb.cc Independents in general are more expensive. I basically will not spend more than $US200 an hour for a companion. Since we have about a 25% currency advantage that makes it about $250/CND. In Montreal often less than $CDN250. Electroman - 1) I don't recall studies but my guess is those that do non-consenting sex trafficking don't care about C36 and in Canada like the US, there sadly are forced and underaged prostitution that do not care about any laws. BTW, underaged is enforced in Canada obviously. The age of consent is 16 but not for sex services. In Canada, soliciting the sexual services of someone under 18 is a crime punishable by six months to 10 years in prison for first-time offenders. For example in 2017 headline, "Canadian police have arrested 104 men in connection with a child prostitution ring in and around the Toronto area. York Regional Police say ...Police targeted men who searched for prostitutes online, but did not arrest men who were seeking sex with an adult." 2) Regulation is a bad word since that implies public records of names and often undo restrictions. We prefer "decimalization" letting women be in charge of their own bodies and business not the government. However, I would support like in Germany requirement to use condoms for sex etc. Regarding STDs while I know of no study, I bet STD rates are far lower for "professional escorts" (not street hookers) than pickups in bars or non sexwork relationships. In Victoria B.C. even under the old law that outlawed incalls one large agency I know of and used, was warned to move out of Saanich since the council wanted to enforce the low bawdy house law, but they would be welcome in Victoria a few miles South. One major agency moved to the main street of Victoria (I have been there). The police checked at times but only to be sure they were licensed since Victoria did require a $100 license fee and of course wanted to be sure all were over age 18. I do not know if they were public records. In Arizona all escorts must display their license number in ads. Escort definition is very broad and would include any companion meeting incall or outcall. I have never yet seen an ad that complies because it would be a public record. Scottsdale made it criminal and have made criminal busts for escorting without a license. First offense is a mandatory 15 days in jail like the AZ prostitution law. In Toronto a few years ago I had an independent companion come to my hotel. Heaven knows how the cops thought see was a companion when she pulled into my hotel parking lot. They questioned her but made it clear there only concern was she was a consenting adult.

I have read the 84-page charging statement of the FBI on one recent site taken down with the FBI notice posted (not the one mentioned in LA here). Some of the current popular boards were mentioned in the charging document and to get search warrants. They got records from many website hosts by subpoena. They had a HUGE amount of information. They followed posts, went undercover, watched women tracing their movements, found outcall hotels and trafficked stopped men coming out to get information. Just like Backpage and many other busted sites, the FBI spent years of man-hours in the investigations. Of course, to me, this is a waste of time and taxpayer money as long private consenting adults but thanks to the all sexwork is an abuse of women and its all sex trafficking labeled it has huge support by the public to "save" women from the abuse and evils in all sexwork. Being based on Canada or most other major countries does not totally protect since we have criminal cooperation treaties with most major countries, including Canada. But it is a very difficult legal process and I have not heard of any attempts at offshore boards etc. I agree with even less risk for a board about strip clubs. There are plenty of prostitution cases to spend time on. The risk is more local LE when reviews are too graphic and describe illegal acts under State laws.

I have written extensively for about 15 years on Canada law. The Nordic model (C36 law) was passed after in a huge opinion the Supreme Court of Canada declared the prior law against incalls (1800s Bawdy house law) and living off the avails unconstitutional under their Charter of Rights and Freedoms "for the safety of the person" Outcalls were always legal. The Ontario Superior Court and affirmed by the Supreme Court that made it illegal made it less safe and reversed the incall and living of avails law. With C36, the major city Police Depts have put out press releases that they will not enforce under normal situations with consenting adults. Sometimes they will enforce based on complaints of street hookers. A few small towns have enforced and there is now a case in London Ont where an agency owner is was charged. The case is challenging the C36 law and many lawyers believe it will also be held unconstitutional based on the same "safety of persons" argument of the Supreme Court on prior law. Agencies have incalls all over Toronto for example. Under prior law, they were never bothered with "living off the avails" since they sold time, not sex. Likewise today they make it clear they sell time not sex and in many of the major cities have a working relationship with the police. For outcalls most agencies have drivers. I have a huge amount of info on my sexworkcanada and especially sexworktoronto.com sites and as someone else mentioned terb.cc is great- I have about 2400 posts there and was active like 15 years ago on the founder's prior site. By not enforcing the C36 "Nordic model" police go after real forced sex trafficking etc cases but do not waste their time with private consenting adults especially since C36 may not be constitutional under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Whoever loses the current London Court case will probably appeal and it may take a decade to get to the Supreme Court again as it did in the prior Bradford case that overturned the incall and living of avails prior law.

BTW Sugar 44 is having a big New Year Eves party - Announcement is on their Facebook events page.

Good reminder of using a rag. A few dancers both here and in Phoenix (although rare) have a small bottle of antibaterial lotion they wipe there hands with between dancers. Being that I am very health conscious think its a great idea and I carry a bottle in my car (or rental in Canada) and use after visiting a club. Likewise in sex (not at strip clubs but escort companions) would never consider doing anything without a condom. Still my favorite times (10 years ago era) was at the way further out West club on Lundy that closed long ago and has different uses and names since. I loved the idea of the search light they had trying to attract more folks to come on further out than just the Downer and Seductions (not as good as other two in my view). I also love the Oh Canada Dinner Theater!

0 = just mechanical dance looking off into space no connection 3= Average not cold mechanical but just average for a dancer interaction/intimacy 5= Obviously she enjoys maximum intimacy and personal human soul type interaction (not sexual) 2 and 4 = between 0 and 3 and 3 and 5.

My intimacy scale has nothing to do with sexual extras - it is about caring touch intimacy and connection with a person expressed physically. I especially enjoy receptive to the caring caress/massage of naturals which is far different than groping. but I am not indicating if that was done with any particular dancer due to the legal issues. I never do VIP since I have no interest in getting off etc., for something more sexual I would go to Canada, Germany TJ etc where there are no legal issues and prefer to do anything sexual in a bed, not on a chair.

Dumb Dave here. How do you follow a club? I had lots of favorites in different cities think you clicked something by club name but do see what to click to follow. I have a few in follow I have no clue how they get there but maybe 15 were favorites I would like to follow if I find the right thnk to click. It may be obvious but I am not getting it - Old age perhaps.

I support the earlier favorite of Toronto. I have been going there for about 15 years to escape the Phoenix summer heat for 10 days most years. For me, it has all the variety I seek from huge strip clubs, my favorite nude-reverse adult body rubs (like Allure mentioned) and zillions of great escort agencies with both incalls all over GTA and outcall. No legal issues like in the U.S. Huge board I have about 2400 posts on terb.cc. I assume I can mention since not commercial I have a huge sexworktoronto.com site with my trip reports going back 15 years. Montreal is also good except I don't speak French and have some very old reports and info on sexworkmontreal.com No discussion board to compete against TUSCL just lots of information including legal based on my 15 or so years going to Toronto (also Victoria BC) I usually stay in the airport/Eitopaca sp?/Mississauga area. Hate going downtown - the 401 is one of the busiest and confusing roads in North America to get downtown.

Miss the old Crystals and PE55. No real legal issues in Ontario, unlike British Columbia (strick ABC rules) and of course the U.S.

I must be blind or too old, but did "favorites" disappear?

Heellover - yes it was Ivy I was watching at that table - remember her name when called on stage. She and the other gal often at that table did do some VIPs but mostly just sat with the two guys. Also I forgot to add about Ember - she said something really weird about next time she would get me some really nice watches. I have no clue what that meant.

I have never understood this tipping thing. In more than 30 years in clubs in the US and Canada have never tipped. They are not waitressing on minimum wage that are so poorly paid they need tips. In many parts of the world, tipping is an insult even at restaurants.

Don't understand Meat72 too much detail. sensual and LDK doesn't seem to be an issue but informative.

Great review never heard a club like this with the $5 lights out fee or the aggressiveness of the dancers. Reminds me of my visit to FKK clubs in Frankfurt area in June. Too aggressive even for me who usually at clubs gets bored when not approached and feel like I need a "pick me" sign. At least in the fairly dull clubs in Phoenix. A good balance is the many clubs I have gone to in Mississauga (Toronto) for about 15 years on my Toronto trips.

Sadly they are just lightly enforcing the strip club ordinance from 1999 which I testified against at the City. Technically the ordinance is much worst. After it passed dancers had to sit on the arms of the chairs not on your lap and undercovers were sent to spend nights looking for the slightest violations of contact. Technically a fully clothed hug violates the ordinance since those dirty body parts can not touch. I knew a few club owners than that had to shut down for a few days or weeks to avoid fines. The former owner Damian of Alaskan Bush started a strip club association at which I represented the old Stevi Secrets club on S Central which she sold maybe a decade ago (Now T&A) IT was the Christian group that wrote the law and helped zillions of cities write similar laws or with the argument to "protect children and neighborhoods." It was the same group that made swing clubs illegal in Phoenix - I was on the Club C legal committee and took the challenge to the 9th Circuit but unfortunately lost. The owners closed it vs going to jail.

Good review, use to be one of my favorite clubs when it wasn't so run-down but hope to visit again on my next Toronto Trip (been going there for about 15 years).

herbtcat -yep back in the 90's was one of my favorite places but many were nice before the 1999 law change. I was at the packed city council meeting and spoke out against the religious right Christian group that wrote the law... and outlawed swing clubs (I was on the Club C legal committee but we lost our fight at the 9th circuit. I had many dancers friends at MB almost too many and I was never into extras just high-quality high touch dances. The only negative was Ralph the owner who would yell and swear at dancers etc. He died of a heart condition and family guy took over running but that was many years ago. Good memories from the "old days" !

Why do you think its nonsense? Just a detailed report based on my interests and limited number of dancers available so late. No drink prices since I do not drink everyone knows the floor dances are $10

I believe it use to be only date organized by date by reviews not other factors which for me worked great. Thanks for replies - at least now I can stop looking for what is no longer there :(

I was in Frankfurt last month (June 2019) for 10 days. While trains are good I decided it was a lot easier to use Uber for not much more than having to navigate the trains. I stayed at a newer nice hotel just North of the Main Train station by the huge shopping center for about $US100/night for 10 nights. I did visit the train station and took some videos - interesting to see even if don't use the trains. Did take a the Osae limo walking to a pickup point near hotel. As I recall most of Uber rides all over the city were around $US20. Worth it for the convenience with the app and never had to wait more than maybe 5 minutes for a pickup wherever I was. Airfare is all over the place depending on the city of origin. From Phoenix, regular coach about $1500 but used frequent flier miles. However, still cost about $500 since the landing fees tacked on or taxes in Europe are high. Also different airlines have other add on fees. There is a very cheap service from Phoenix direct to Frankfurt but reports are terrible. As it was 19 hours to and 16 hours from with long waits for delayed connections in London Heathrow and Dallas. The British Air 747 (outgoing) was much nicer than American (return).

I gave up on this club long ago. Just too boring with few dancers working the floor other than for regulars. You mentioned jags... guy murdered in the parking lot a few nights ago. Was on local news and I posted what info we know in the discussion part of the Jags page here. Someone might go there and see if any dancers know more about the murder in the parking lot - drive by with two suspects still outstanding.

"old white dudes also in the mix" Gee that sounds like us and the gang of 3 or so.... I'd describe as mature gentlemen :) I had enough women for awhile after FKKs in Germany last month but will find my way back to clubs again in Phoenix although I prefer other options. As many point out the clubs are not what they use to be. Mississauga clubs (Toronto) still far better but not what they use to be either but at least no legal issues. I keep reminding myself after 19 hours and 16 hours to and from Frankfurt (with long connecting delays at Heathrow and Dallas), I should be able to make it to Toronto in 4 hours with my long legs cramped in coach. British Air 747 wasn't too bad however!