Comments by David9999 (page 13)

Many dancers are in near panic mode about sudden sharp dropoffs in income they've experienced in the last 6 to 12 months and some are handing out numbers (now and then even their regular cell numbers) like they are candy, mostly to regular or potential regular customers. Therefore 99% of the time its #1. As for #2 dancers make money when you spend at the club, not when you call them, and unless you're a 1000 dollar a week plus sugar daddy type, they are not going to arrange their schedule around you. As for #3 if they find out for example you are a high net worth individual (e.g. a few million) and might be generous, its possible. In regard to #4 for free unlikely, for money its possible.

In at least one club recently when I was awaiting a (temporarily tied up) ATF I was getting hit with a wave of solicitions, and some of these were 2 for 1's - this on day's they are not given - so the dancer's were clearly taking the hit not the club. In another club where I normally only do VIP level sessions with an ATF, there was a new girl just starting my ATF was helping to train in regards to how to peform a high contact grind, so she mentioned the semi-private booths at regular price with her with myself picking up only the 5 dollar per song fee for the 2nd girl. It was very interesting as it ended up four songs with 2 super hot (an 8.5 ATF and 9.0 level) Brazilian dancers, the later one very young, very little english, and having just arrived from Sao Paulo and brand new to both america and strip clubs of any kind

Don't worry Hillary has all sort of high powered economic advisors, nearly all with a similar world view. Hillary "It takes a Village" Clinton is a true socialist and socialists have all sorts of supposed solutions to various problems - she invariably believes govt is the solution, and these solutions in the past have often ended up as disasters in practice. Socialism is very good at doing one thing: dividing up all the poverty it creates, in part by demotivating the otherwise most productive members of society when they begin to understand the majority of their earnings will go to income redistribution. The top half of income tax filers in the USA are currently paying 94% of fed income taxes, not enough for Hillary and her socialist friends.

Few customers would even know, and it they did, my guess it would be irrelevant for most. On the general issue of breast augmentations, I too have seen some amazingly well done breast enhancements, and always when the woman avoids the common mistake of oversizing them. Pushing it up a notch or two is a huge mistake for most women. I've heard of certain plastic surgeons actually refusing to oversize a breast beyond what looks natural for the particular girl, (they just send them somewhere else if they insist) and the end up getting a huge amount of more referrals precisely for that reason. Enhancements today if not oversized can look and feel very realistic.

With escorts when it enters the higher quality realm - generally one cannot remain anonymous, for example with agencies or higher quality independents - so that is a big personal risk factor for certain customers - plus there's an ongoing potential LE issue with your name permanently on that record CraigsList where the identity issue is generally irrelevant is however probably about 50% to 70% fraud or bait and switch - although now and then someone can get very lucky With strip clubs and AMPs you can search out the quality level you want, yet not give out any identity.

As one dancer on stripperweb has in her quote (paraphrasing) "lots of Ben Franklins is what make me horny baby". 100 dollar bills not necessarily one dollar bills - would be the tell tale sign to third parties, they are either stripping or hooking. Many of these dancers seem to pay their bills in person - cell phone, cable, electric - a sure sign of someone living on the edge as many of them seem to do, so its even more obvious to others especially given that (even in street clothes) these generally are not run of the mill women. I may spend more than most customers, but especially with these top shelf type girls who get VIPs etc all the time, there must be certain other customers also paying in 100's. I personally have given to at least 2 dancers a minimum of 100 100's over this past year, 2 others a bit less, so they are going to be all over town at the grocery store and various other locales presenting these bills, or going to a bank which is even more noticeable. I pay in 100's first because its easier, but with ATFs at least, I do it for the added kick - I don't mind them knowing where that precise bill came from they are cashing at that moment, which is not likely with 20's or one dollar bills

The key weakness of escorts and AMPs vs strippers is the lack of socializing and comaradie and strip club vibe. The strip club vibe cannot be duplicated however some of the other factors may be able to be. I've been to Japanese, Chinese, and Korean AMPs but Koreans tend to be the best, I think FS in such establishments (some not all) is part of their culture in some way. I thought it might be a good strategy to learn some key Korean phrases, focus on one particular girl each time, spending (lets say) if you can afford it min $1000 a month and maybe a bit more (with less on strippers) so eventually you could skip the time wasting sauna and table shower, and ratchet up the GFE things which they tend to be very weak on anyways, and maybe eventually they might show you a possible secret room where (instead of tables) the real beds could be - like some AMPs in New York City appear to have.

3.5 hours with a favorite for a total of $150 with drinks and tip including BJ and FS?. With dance fees, tips, drinks etc - I would guess the girl would be lucky to clear $100 to $120 - and give up 1/2 her entire shift. That's a very good deal, as I believe in most higher cost areas of the country most dancers wouldn't work for 30 to 40 an hour, regardless of how much business you are steering them each month. With that kind of deal, escorts or even AMPs wouldn't have a chance, however not sure how common that kind of deal is. In certain clubs I tend to drop alot of money, probably too much (and would not even qualify for the govt rebate payment even under the Senator Grassly plan) - so I could never imagine tying up a dancer (even an ATF) for that long with them making that small an amount, and that includes less busy times of the week

Using the standardized urban dictionary definition L2 simply refers to a blow job, L1 a handjob, and L3 is full service. As posted by Traveler it would seem somewhat redundant, if for example he was seeing it listed as "L2 CIM" assuming someone understood CIM as he obviously does. In any case HJ, BJ, BBBJ, TC, CIM - all of those seem more precise and its probably why they are in more common use in the escort world I will admit as someone posted that something like BBBJCIM L2 - could be a clever way of suggesting swallows, with L1 spits - maybe that's cutting edge level now in escort abbreviations - because it makes perfect sense

Jay, this is an excellent ongoing topic and its worthy of repeated discussions. In any case nearly all the old threads are locked-up anyways Think of it this as a possible strategy - sort of a balancing act, taking advantage of each segment. Primarily Brazilians in the strip clubs, preferably ATF deals, and for escorts: perhaps asians with maybe multi-hour monthly or bi-monthly sessions with super quality providers that one can develop a true GFE arrangement with (I think Yoda does this) or alternatively (what I am more familiar with) find exceedingly beautiful AMP girls for quick hits. The AMP girl I was with mere hours ago I (just) noticed a TER reviewer (commenting earlier this month) stated "this woman could have been a Korean super-model, or movie star" In fact after experiencing her in person, the reviewer is very close to the mark, so one must always be looking at AMPs too.

The prior post refers to MBIA which is a major bond insurer and by "fresh capital", aside from any industry sponsored bailout, there is little doubt MBIA chief Dunton is referring to primarily either asian or middle eastern oil money - because these are the parties that have a huge stake riding on there not being a major economic downturn in the United States. So the parties awash in dollars, now want to lend or invest MORE dollars to keep the original credit bubble from completely collapsing. That doesn't fix the underlying problem, it just delays either a major recession or maybe in a worst case, a depression. By the way if MBIA and similar reinsurers were to fail, far more than mortgage backed securities would be affected, for example the massive municipal bond market (which primarily consists of domestic lenders and investors in effect "bribed" via tax benefits) - the results would be almost unthinkable in terms of the impact on the U.S. economy. Of course the U.S. govt would step in before the total collapse, however the cost of capital for all kinds of lending would have to steeply rise, no matter how it was "fixed"

Here's an excerpt from the Assoc Press story explaining why the DOW is up today MBIA Chief Executive Gary Dunton told investors in a conference call Thursday he is confident the company can retain its crucial AAA credit rating and that MBIA will still be able to raise fresh capital, according to Dow Jones Newswires. Dunton's comments appeared to reassure investors that bond insurers aren't necessarily headed for collapse. Credit markets remain tight, however, as investors are still having trouble sorting solid debt from that tainted by bad debts on mortgages.

Fondl - note my posts begin late in the 3rd quarter and the numbers now show a major hit to the economy during the 4th quarter of 20007 (which is w/o any doubt what I was referring to) You really think I get the bulk of my information from the "popular media"? I have to laugh at that one. You state "..and third quarter GNP growth turned out to be above average in spite of the major downturn in the housing industry, which is already behind us." That's your opinion and its wishful thinking not supported by reality. There's no evidence the housing downturn is behind us, in fact the valatuation declines are continuing unabated in nearly all major markets. It will take multiple years, maybe 3 to 5 years or more, to unwind the damage caused by this massive credit bubble. Just this week, it turns out the BOND INSURERS who were purportedly guaranteeing these CDOs (collateralized mortgage debt obligations) - are themselves set to go under, and will probably need a massive bailout of some type, whether via private interests or government intervention. Add to this huge problems emerging with credit cards, automobile loans, and home equity loans - and this credit unwinding is a massive issue and this will have a massive impact on the economy. The FED, which is now pushing the panic button, is clearly caught between dumping the dollar or pushing easy-money to desperately attempt to avoid or mitigate a recession - and both roads lead to a decline or some kind of major hit on the economy in the U.S.

"the money they are losing by not working." Dancers who do OTC of course deserve to make up for lost earnings at a minimum, however to to fair, there are many dancers today working entire shifts (and I'm talking 8, 9, 10 top shelf level dancers) who are walking away with 50 to 100 dollars per shift, still better than Walmart but hardly enough to pay all the debts they sometimes accumulated or to support the often luxurious lifestyles many have developed. The ones that live frugally often seemed in the past to be shipping large sums of money back to their home countries, so they too cannot readily accept a loss in income - without letting down their dependents.

"David: Which clubs have you noticed "reasonably good traffic" in? How about writing reviews on those clubs and providing us with more insightful and cogent insights?" Don't hold your breath because specific clubs will never be indentified by me, for reasons too complicated to explain. Meanwhile as far as insight, look back on my posts from 4 to 5 months ago, I was calling a major economic downturn when others were dismissing dancer complaints related to this issue - as standard stripper shit.

correction: Jan 30th 2008

Just what I thought This is the data just made public and now released via this report Jan 30th, 2007, and obviously President Bush and congressional leaders were tipped on this earlier A short excerpt from the Assoc Press Story entitled ECONOMY NEARLY STALLED IN 4TH QUARTER (QUOTE) WASHINGTON - The economy nearly stalled in the fourth quarter with a growth rate of just 0.6 percent, capping its worst year since 2002. The Commerce Department's report on the gross domestic product, released Wednesday, showed an economy that had deteriorated considerably during the October-to-December quarter as worsening problems in the housing market and harder-to-get credit made individuals and businesses more cautious in their spending. Fears of a recession have grown (END QUOTE)

DougS- based upon your statements in other posts, you put out the faithful nice guy vibe for ATF #1 You'll note this paragraph (xdamage on pink/blue site) I posted last month on the "nice guys" threat that really hits its the issue on the nail QUOTE But I suppose the main thing is not really understanding women, seeing only the superficial behaviors and playing to them. I guess you could think of it like being a good pet. Act extra nice and you get petted for being nice. So you think, okay I'll go on being extremely nice and agreeable, and do "nice" things. END QUOTE Strange how so many women consciously BELIEVE they want committed men, but not only does such faithfulness and devotion often turn them off along with the "chemistry", the unfaithful "horndog" actually gets the chemistry flowing big time for these same women. I realize many do not believe this, but if they had the opportunity to put it to use, they would understand its 100% the truth, as counterintuitive as it sounds.

"ATF dancers are just like ATF athletes, ATF teachers, ATF coaches, etc, etc." not the one I was with a mere 6 hours ago

Fondl - I agree that its not necessarily the strip clubs but the dancers that will take the big hit, am I'm noticing reasonably good traffic in some of these clubs, but these guys appear to be possibly layed off from contruction or something similar, and/or they are just flat broke - since multiple dancers tell me these same guys won't spend a single nickel on dances. If clubs can keep traffic reasonably high and sell the 2 drink mins - they will do pretty well because strip clubs are pretty good entertainment value if you concentrate on the 2 dollar tip rail instead of the 25 dollar (or whatever) dances. By the way unemployment insurance will not pay anywhere near what residential construction tradesman are used to getting paid, plus for the illegals, they are off the books anyways, with no unemployment insurance ready to step in.

Greenspan was not perfect but this new Fed Chairman Bernake is certainly not helping things. Now we see this morning a massive 3/4 of a percens drop in interest rates - basically a signal to the rest of the world the Fed is in panic mode. Easy money will hot fix the basic economic problem in america: too much debt held by the average consumer. The average american has grown lazy and sloppy expecting foreign savers to finance our consumption - or worse not even realizing this was occuring

If you must go to a club, better to wear a disguise of some type to avoid any problems

By the time the politicians start talking about govt rebates and so forth - usually that means the recession has already begun. Right now (as one example) the official stats are not taking into account all these illegals presently out of work in the residential construction business. In the northeast USA, some kind of downturn is clearly already in the works - and no doubt the stats will prove this a year or 2 down the road. Expect to see hits in new car sales, restaurant businesses, and general retail - some of this intertwined with this credit unwinding in the works.

"Necessity is the mother of invention" is an old saying and very true and applicable to all sorts of things (or the inverse), and I increasingly believe that some strippers due to economic necessity to reel in and hold onto regulars are engaging in this very high level type of regular SS -sometimes bringing it up to a level of what I've described as being a type of Super Stripper Shit - and that will often be hard for a new patrons to detect

"You would think that with more education (about strip clubs) people are would be less likely to fall into the PL/RIL trap. Much less, but they have to go to strip clubs for awhile before some figure it out The pink site is a (no-charge) very high volume site, probably 100 times the posts of this site, and by definition that's means many new to SC type customers. Looking at some of the questions (e.g HockeyBobby being a classic) its look like they don't read many of the other posts - before making their first posts