OTCing... The Future Of Clubbing?

I really just think the younger generation of women sluttier than ever... the current crop of strippers simply reflects this. I mean, check out a college campus sometime, or a high school for that matter. The Sixties had nothing on the "Naughts".

Probably can chalk that up to television and rap music, to some degree anyway.

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I agree with ozy. In particular, hip-hop, and the glamorization of pimps and ho's is a major factor contributing to the increasing slutiness of younger women these days.

Additionally, I am certain that drug addictions are playing a big role in the whoreification of stripping. Habits can run $200-400 a day. (Oxy, a new and extremely popular drug on the scene, seems to the worst culprit.)

hmmm... not that the trend you are talking about is a BAD thing! [wink] (I just don't want to see/hear MY girls OTCing with others... color me selfish.. (not to mention, wanting to keep them "clean" for me)

What is the expectation of OTC? Is it merely private dancing with possibility of more, or more a GFE? What do you guys pay?

Deinitely GFE for me. To go through the setup and expenses for lap dances only OTC doesn't make sense.

My EXPECTATION.... For the usual OTC, I don't really EXPECT anything. I of course have some hopes, but nothing expected. I'm honest with the girls, when they ask what I expect. I tell them, that I enjoy spending time with them and want to spend more time. I tell them I don't expect anything, but I am also open for "anything", and if something happens, it would just be a "bonus".

On the other hand, there are times when I'm in a club, and things just "click" and we BOTH know we will be OTCing and we BOTH know what we will be doing... those are fun times, but usually not repeated.

I prefer the GFE, and that is USUALLY the case.

Other than a certain dancer in Dallas, I've never been given a price. (she was worth it, I'm tellin' 'ya) I've paid anywhere from $0 to $1,0000 for overnighters - a common amount is more between $200 and $500 for 8-ish hours. Again, it's been what >>I<< felt I should give them... usually to offset the money they are losing by not working. Personally, I think that's asking a lot of a dancer that is working hard to earn a living, and then take them away from their job.

"the money they are losing by not working."

Dancers who do OTC of course deserve to make up for lost earnings at a minimum, however to to fair, there are many dancers today working entire shifts (and I'm talking 8, 9, 10 top shelf level dancers) who are walking away with 50 to 100 dollars per shift, still better than Walmart but hardly enough to pay all the debts they sometimes accumulated or to support the often luxurious lifestyles many have developed. The ones that live frugally often seemed in the past to be shipping large sums of money back to their home countries, so they too cannot readily accept a loss in income - without letting down their dependents.

Keep in mind that there are two totally diferent types of OTCing - meeting OTC for sex and getting together strictly socially. The motivations are quite different.

If sex isn't part of being social then why are they called social diseases?

If you pay them what they would average in their shift, then most willing to do OTC seem to prefer OTC (even if that includes sex). It's much easier, workwise, for them.

OTC w/o sex seems kind of odd if you would be paying, otherwise it might be cool. Maybe have some drinks, smoke a little weed with them?

I've kind of enjoyed having a front row seat to the whoreification of the "industry" myself.

But now it seems so easy to score a stripper for the night, and for a very reasonable price, that part of the challenge and hence fun is lost. If they all start doing it and it's a given, might as well go with escorts then...

Personally I would like it to remain somewhat challenging to score OTC including sex, but not impossible.

I also worry about the quality of girls going down if it just becomes explicit prostitution, but perhaps this fear is unfounded. Would someone with lots of experience with escorts care to comment on the relative quality of each?

FONDL: I think there are more like THREE types of OTC. The two that you mentioned (OTC for sex, and OTC for socializing), plus the grey area in between. I OTC for that area in between... I want to "socialize" in a GFE sort of way, combined HOPEFULLY with play of a sexual nature (preferably FS, but varying degrees will do nicely, in some cases).

DougS, I agree, I guess I was speaking of the intent not the result. A lot of dancers will meet a good customer for lunch or an early dinner before their shift with no possibility of anything else happening (I've done that many times) - it's good for their business. I guess a lot of girls will also meet specifically for sex, although I have no experience in that area. And I guess there's also the middle ground where you aren't sure what's going to happen when you meet OTC. My first real evening "date" with my ATF was like that. It turned out to be strictly social but was a lot of fun. And the first of many dinners together.

ITC-ing : The Future of Clubbing?

I'd actualy call OTCing the past, present and future. One of my very first SC experiences ever, which was well over 30 years ago, I was with 2 other guys who booked one of the strippers for their hotel room later that night. There's nothing new under the sun. Or the moon.

OTCing has zero appeal for me. The day strippers stop working in strip clubs is the day I give up on strippers.

I don't really prefer OTC either. I think for me it all depends on the dancer, the setting, etc. If the act can be done with enough excitement and comfort to finish the task while remaining in the club, then that has its appeal. So too do other arrangements. All depends ...

I prefer to go with the glossary definition of mileage "how much you can get away with" I am there to have fun. Taking it OTC can be fun with the right dancer but it ends too soon. I am not marathon man. I am dead after 2 or 3 minutes. What next?

To me, OTC is just another upsell like the champagne room. I'll take my fun inside the club, thank you. I've met too many hot ass strippers who will hook up after work for free for me to ever consider the ones who go OTC as part of their job.

cHANDLER: send those who do the OTC-for-free thing my way! :)

OTC on the third dinner date, we go to packed local pub for an after dinner drink. After a half an hour she tells me that she has met a guy who will be taking her home. I blew a fuse and left her there.

Book Guy, what's wrong with the ones you already have there? And don't tell me there aren't any. Every club has strippers who are up for a little fornication after a hard night's work.

Haha ... yeah riiiight. :P Chandler, my (obvious) point was that YOU might be able to land a hottie who'll do an up-close-and-personal without pay, but I still am not. Nor are MOST of us able to get what we want for free. In fact, if I could get what I want for free, I'd most certainly stop paying for it.

No harm no foul. But don't be obtuse, K? :)

Don't feel bad. I'm not able to get lap dances for free from my choice out of a roomful of strippers all acting like nymphos, either.

Interesting comments from those who don't prefer OTC. I guess I thought that was the holy grail of the strip club chase. I am admittedly behind in experience with such but that all just changed. I'm doing the OTC for 'social' activities now (no charge), and have my first time set up for sex OTC (to replace the laps/sex). Of course this is different because she's my ATF. I don't think I'd be interested as much with a new or strange dancer, that's the same as the escort discussion. We'll do both ITC and OTC depending on how much time I have that day. If I have her spend the shift with me OTC, I'll give her a shift's pay to free her up.