OTCing... The Future Of Clubbing?
DougS
Florida
I am sensing a definite increase in the availability of OTCing arrangements. I think it's a reflection of our economy, combined with a decline in SC patronage. I've found that it's become easier to talk a dancer into meeting outside of the club, and even though I'd LIKE to think it's my animal magnetism [wink], I think there's more to it than that.
Other influences, such as a recent 200% increase in VIP fees at my favorite club, have made it almost a necessity for dancers to at least entertain the thought. It DOES make a lot of sense, for both dancer and patron. I've come up with some persuasive arguments, when dancers have some reluctance - though, "reluctance" is a strong word... maybe "apprehension" is a better term.
For a lot of dancers, it's probably viewed as a "big step". Usually, in their mind, they are reading more into it, than it's intended. As I've always told them, if they meet me OTC, it's not an assumption of mine that we are going to end up in bed... merely, a BONUS if that happens. (and eventually, it usually does)
There is one aspect of OTCing that I personally don't like to think about, though most on this board would never feel this way. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm "full of myself", but I think once I've OTCed with a particular dancer, she is MUCH more likely to OTC with others. I am a gentleman when OTCing, not forcing the issue (sex)... not pressuring... not taking liberties... She always knows that she can trust me, and if she says "no" or "stop", I will listen. I believe a lot of girls, feeling safe with me, and yes, having a great time with me (at least more fun than being in the club all night), will think that they can handle other guys, and will view OTCing more favorably. I'm certain that I was the first OTC experience for many of my OTC partners, and I HOPE the ONLY or last, but as the industry changes, that's probably just wishful thinking.
Other influences, such as a recent 200% increase in VIP fees at my favorite club, have made it almost a necessity for dancers to at least entertain the thought. It DOES make a lot of sense, for both dancer and patron. I've come up with some persuasive arguments, when dancers have some reluctance - though, "reluctance" is a strong word... maybe "apprehension" is a better term.
For a lot of dancers, it's probably viewed as a "big step". Usually, in their mind, they are reading more into it, than it's intended. As I've always told them, if they meet me OTC, it's not an assumption of mine that we are going to end up in bed... merely, a BONUS if that happens. (and eventually, it usually does)
There is one aspect of OTCing that I personally don't like to think about, though most on this board would never feel this way. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm "full of myself", but I think once I've OTCed with a particular dancer, she is MUCH more likely to OTC with others. I am a gentleman when OTCing, not forcing the issue (sex)... not pressuring... not taking liberties... She always knows that she can trust me, and if she says "no" or "stop", I will listen. I believe a lot of girls, feeling safe with me, and yes, having a great time with me (at least more fun than being in the club all night), will think that they can handle other guys, and will view OTCing more favorably. I'm certain that I was the first OTC experience for many of my OTC partners, and I HOPE the ONLY or last, but as the industry changes, that's probably just wishful thinking.
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Probably can chalk that up to television and rap music, to some degree anyway.
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Additionally, I am certain that drug addictions are playing a big role in the whoreification of stripping. Habits can run $200-400 a day. (Oxy, a new and extremely popular drug on the scene, seems to the worst culprit.)
On the other hand, there are times when I'm in a club, and things just "click" and we BOTH know we will be OTCing and we BOTH know what we will be doing... those are fun times, but usually not repeated.
I prefer the GFE, and that is USUALLY the case.
Other than a certain dancer in Dallas, I've never been given a price. (she was worth it, I'm tellin' 'ya) I've paid anywhere from $0 to $1,0000 for overnighters - a common amount is more between $200 and $500 for 8-ish hours. Again, it's been what >>I<< felt I should give them... usually to offset the money they are losing by not working. Personally, I think that's asking a lot of a dancer that is working hard to earn a living, and then take them away from their job.
Dancers who do OTC of course deserve to make up for lost earnings at a minimum, however to to fair, there are many dancers today working entire shifts (and I'm talking 8, 9, 10 top shelf level dancers) who are walking away with 50 to 100 dollars per shift, still better than Walmart but hardly enough to pay all the debts they sometimes accumulated or to support the often luxurious lifestyles many have developed. The ones that live frugally often seemed in the past to be shipping large sums of money back to their home countries, so they too cannot readily accept a loss in income - without letting down their dependents.
OTC w/o sex seems kind of odd if you would be paying, otherwise it might be cool. Maybe have some drinks, smoke a little weed with them?
I've kind of enjoyed having a front row seat to the whoreification of the "industry" myself.
But now it seems so easy to score a stripper for the night, and for a very reasonable price, that part of the challenge and hence fun is lost. If they all start doing it and it's a given, might as well go with escorts then...
Personally I would like it to remain somewhat challenging to score OTC including sex, but not impossible.
I also worry about the quality of girls going down if it just becomes explicit prostitution, but perhaps this fear is unfounded. Would someone with lots of experience with escorts care to comment on the relative quality of each?
No harm no foul. But don't be obtuse, K? :)