Comments by FONDL (page 39)

The good ones have different tactics depending on how busy the club is. During off hours when it's empty, they arrage to meet with their regulars and they spend a lot of time with them. But the regulars don't come in when the place is really busy because then the girls are moving from one customer to the next as quickly as they can. But there's never a need to approach customers, guys ask for dances when they tip the girl on stage, and she simply moves from one to the next until her next stage dance. So the good ones almost never have to take the initiative, once they've been there awhile.

I agree that off hours in little clubs is very hit or miss. But when you do get a hit, it's often a home run. I always found that the best of all possible worlds was when I made an appointment to see a girl I really like during off hours. When you do that she's all yours for a long as you like.

IMO the perfect female body is Jillian on The Biggest Loser. Wow! She's very muscular (probably too much so for some of you) but I would never consider her to be thick. To me "thick" denotes waist size. Has little to do with bone size and sometimes not much to do with body fat either, she just is built with a thick waist. Most women gain weight first (and lose it last) in the butt and upper legs; a thick girl carries her excess weight, and it doesn't have to be much, in her waist like a man does.

Except that the businesses you name either have the entire family working insane hours to make that money, or they've spent years at special schools learning a specialized trade. This guy has done neither and he does next to nothing. He now owns the business that he used to manage for his father. Except he never did manage it, the woman behind the bar, who's been there for 30 years, does - she handles the girls and schedules them, which is the hardest part in running the place. When they get really busy he'll help out behind the bar but that's it. He also interviews potential new girls, which sounds tough to me. Other than that, all he does is sit in his office and occasionally watch the TV monitors to make sure nobody's doing extras. Except for raising prices, there haven't been any changes in the club in a decade. He just sits back and collects the money. Where else can you do that?

I meant to add an example to my previous post but was interrupted. Here it is. The club where my ATF worked is open 2 pm to 2 am, 6 days a week. A lot of the girls don't like working week days because the place is often pretty empty. But they have to work some of them or they aren't allowed to work weekend nights, which is when they can make the most money. So the girls who can invite their regulars to come see during the day, then they just sit with their regulars unless somebody asks them for a dance while they're on stage. That's what my ATF always did with me. It worked out really well for both of us - she didn't have to work very hard and still made some money, and I got to spend more time with her. So she always did OK during the day - me plus stage tips plus an occasional dance from someone else - while some of the girls made next to nothing.

I agree Chandler. I also think the biggest earners stay at the same club for a long time rather than bouncing from club to club. That way they develop a large group of regulars, and the only time they have to do any prospecting is when one of them isn't there, which for a really successful girl isn't very often. In most clubs, regulars are where the real money is.

"RomanticJester" must have been a Freudian slip, sounds pretty appropriate to me. The only thing that puzzles me about this thread is why it was started in the first place. Wghglost clearly has no interest in our advice or opinions of his situation, so why is he telling us about it?

I think it's nearly impossible to catch fake reviews unless the reviewer is really obvious about it. There are probably a lot of fake reviews here. One clue is to see how many different places the preson reviews. But even that isn't foolproof, a manager can easily give his own place a good review and slam his competitors. I'm sure some do that.

One of the clubs I described in my opening post on this thread was Show-n-Tell in Philly. My experience there was a little different. Seems to me there are a lot of clubs where the customer is encouraged to drop trou in the private room. I think that's becoming pretty common. It's always been pretty common in many of the Baltimore clubs, particularly the Block-type places.

David, my ATF is genuinely interested in people until they give her a reason not to be; she loves to meet new people and was genuinely intrested in a lot of her customers. She also avoided customers who she perceived as being cheap, especially the young punks who were numerous in her club, and she never did the "wanna dance" routine. She spent a lot of time with me over a period of several months before I ever started to spend any real money on her (I was a regular of one of the other girls), and she did the same with other customers as well. Those were big reasons why she was the top earner in her club. It's also how she became my ATF. You can't fake that genuine interest thing for very long.

I don't consider it a problem that many dancers are pretty unprofessional, in fact those are exactly the ones who I seek out. And there are also plenty of unprofessional escorts out there. The degree of professionalism and ability to compartmentalize is more a function of age and experience than it is what segment of the sex industry they may choose to participate in. And I think most SOs would prefer to have their guy hang out with a stripper in her club now and then instead of hiring FS escorts, regardless of the degree of emotional involvement he may develop with the stripper.

David it's a little more complicated than turning over rocks, which rocks they select and how they turn over the rocks are vitally important. The girl who just goes from guy to guy saying "wanna dance?" isn't nearly as likely to find the $1,000 bill as the girl who targets fewer guys and approaches them very carefully. Some girls just don't seem to know how to do that. There's real skill involved which seems to come naturally to some girls but not others. Some girls are genuinely interested in the customers and some aren't, and it really shows. I'm not sure that's something they can learn.

Harrydave, it's all a matter of perspective. Have you noticed how much better looking 18 yo girls are today vs. when you were 18? Again maybe that's partly why some young girls like geezers, we're less critical and more appreciative than guys their own age. They don't have to be perfect for us to appreciate them.

In a free market that operates rationally, prices would make some sense. But I don't think that's true of strip club pricing. I've been in lots of clubs where LD prices were high and as a result nobody bought any. You'd think that management would wise up but they never do. And has anyone ever heard of a price war between competing clubs? It never happens. In any given geographic area prices seem to be the same just about everywhere, whether they make any logical sense or not. Seems to me it has little to do with anything other than tradition in the area.

Casualguy, some people try to maximize income in the short term, others take a longer term view. That's true in every field.

Whghlost, I'm not saying you're a bad person. You may be wonderful. But you're obviously being perceived as something else by the people at the club. Which could get you in big trouble, whether deserved or not. That should be reason enough for you to move on.

Minnow, I think your two definitions often go hand in hand - the bigger clubs are often fancier and more expensive and draw more big spenders, while the little clubs tend to be more locals oriented and are cheaper with few big spenders. And I agree about off hours, I much prefer clubbing when places are nearly empty.

Some girls, especially shorter ones, are built so that their sides go straight up and down without much indentation around the waist line, sort of like a fire plug, but without being fat. My ATF tends to be a bit like that when she's a little on the heavy side. That's what I consider "thick" to mean.

I'd call it a jack shack too. But it was part of a real strip club which had a bar and girls dancing on a stage. A separate building, yes, but clearly part of the same place and run by the same people.

Just remembered one more. I used to visit a rural club fairly regularly in West Virginia (Bones take note - not too far from you) that was an old house that had been remodeled. Downstairs was the bar and stage and was surprisingly nice. Upstairs were 3 bedrooms - one was the common LD room, one was the manager's office, and the third was a private room with a hot tub in it. Not all the girls would do a hot tub, but one girl who did explained to me that the club loaned you a bathing suit - and I was led to believe that the bathing suits had a tendency to slip down to your ankles once you got in the water. I never tried it - it was too expensive ($250 per half hour last I heard) and the idea of putting on a loner bathing suit didn't appeal. Appartently some customers bring their own but I never was that interested. I never saw anyone use the room. Don't know if anyone else here has ever been to any WV clubs. But in my experience they all have two things in common: (1) fairly restrictive rules, and (2) widespread disregard of those rules. I've encountered some surprisingly attractive and friendly dancers, and prices (except for hot tubs) tend to be cheap. Highly recommended if you like that sorta thing.

Ozymandias, seems to me it's the opportunity for some emotional involvement that many of us like about strip clubs. Seems to me that's generally going to be missing with either escorts or AMP girls, unless you keep seeing the same one over and over again. No one said that involvement with a stripper was safe, but I think the idea of it being an affair substitute is an interesting way of looking at it. I'm sure that for some customers that's exactly what it is.

Chandler, I agree, that is what I'm asking. In KW clubs the girls are nude during LDs - all the girls not just some of them and this is in a common LD room because there are no VIP rooms, you can touch them everywhere but the kitty, and there's a full bar. It must be legal there because they're all like that. And I've never run into that combination anywhere else.

DD, that's what I like, being in a place where most customers don't spend much. And as Chandler points out, such places often lack in dancer quality. But if you can find one who appeals to you, that's the best of all situations, you can spend a little bit and she'll stay with you all day. That's my idea of a successful club visit.

DD, the point I was trying to make is that there are older dancers all over the country who have been working at the same club for 20 years or more, and who have a steady stream of guys who come in to see them every week because these dancers have learned the value of treating customers with respect. IMO, these are the industry's top earners. As well they should be. I was watching a football game yesterday and the announcers were going on and on about how hard one of the young players worked during the week and how it set him apart. In other words, most of them don't do that, even when there's millions involved. How many of us do everything we can to maximize our income? We all know how, it's no big mystery, but we don't do it. IME few people do. Why would we expect strippers to be any different?

Bones, one other thought - have you ever offered to give her a massage? Ask her to teach you, you might even offer to pay her to do so.