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@s1utmuffin on IG! Long Island, NY
i’m thinking about working in a high mileage extras club again… the room rates by me are like $250/15 minutes, $350/30 minutes , $600/1 hour. the dancer gets half. what is a fair amount to charge for extras, specifically a condom blow job without intercourse? and then cbj+intercourse?
i was considering keeping it out of the club but it’s dangerous to go to the motel with no security. TIA!
i was considering keeping it out of the club but it’s dangerous to go to the motel with no security. TIA!
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Can you tell us which club(s) you’re considering? Someone may be able to give you and idea based upon their experience. This sort of stuff varies by market.
and GPS?
i’m asking men who do private rooms for advice so he had no business commenting.
My CFs would most certainly not classify me as broke or cheap.
Just as you are picky with PLs, PLs choose dancers based on a variety of factors. You may very well be the hottest girl in each of your clubs, but sometimes we don't care about getting with the hottest ones.
I’d estimate it would take a million dollar income ( $600,000 after taxes ) to afford that. That’s not the upper 1%. It’s more like 1 out of a thousand.
Maybe those rates work in LA or NY but the provider would need to be in the upper 1% of looks to be considered. Are you ?
How much could someone making $200,000 per year ( $140,000 after taxes ) afford ? That’s lawyer and dentist territory. Maybe $1,000 per month, but they’re more likely to drop $300 per encounter a few times a month.
How about half the population with an income in the $60,000 to $80,000 range. In other words, your idea of broke and cheap. Forget about it.
I'll pay 25 for a room fee and then services on top of that, such as 200 for fs. I'd be curious as to who would pay a triple digit room fee with services on top of that.
i have been reading someone’s reviews of Pheonix Arizona and how rooms are $25. so i can see why some people are opposed to a tip when it comes to club room prices here but again it’s not impossible to get tipped ontop of the rooms here because customers DO infact do it.
I'd look for a different club if I were you. I've seen clubs that take 25% or less of the base room cost.
Even if a club is cool with extras, non-extras customers should also feel welcome there. (If not, it's probably even sleazier than the typical club, so the security is less reliable.) Probably you're best plan is to do high-priced extras for wealthier customers, and non- extras lap dances for more average customers.
I think dancers often over-estimate the safety of working in a (typical) club, and under-estimate the safety of escorting with screening.
What I would suggest is starting out a number you're comfortable with and adjusting from there. Don't go sky high, but don't quote the absolute lowest you'd take either. The market will tell you if you watch the responses. Some guys will have a poker face and simply say no thanks if you're too far off. But more often than not I think you'll see the guys natural reaction and be able to figure it out. If guys are shocked & pass, you'll know you're high. If they all get excited and jump on it, you'll know you're low. Adjust till you find a balance.
I doubt you'll find or want to have a "one price fits all" answer though. I suspect you'll want to adjust for regulars vs visitors, attractiveness, attitude, perceived ability to pay, etc.
Neither the "broke and cheap" nor "GPS" shit is gonna get either side far here.
the first time I ever heard that term used was not here on TUSCL describing how men feel about a certain dancer - but from one dancer talking about another dancer.
But, I'm not a big fan of the two-tier pricing structure. Some girls are "everything but FS for $X." Other girls are "FS for $Y." If she says to me, it's $A for the room, $B for this, and then an extra $C for something else, I am quickly reminded that this is almost completely business for her. I don't want it to feel like a used car transaction.
One more thing: don't overestimate looks. Yes, they are important, essential really, but I've been with some 10s who have relied on their looks way too much and left me completely unsatisfied. In fact, when a girl is too hot, I almost assume that she probably doesn't have very good skills. Guys simp on her, meanwhile they could get a girl who is an 8 who actually knows what she's doing, and be WAY more satisfied with the experience.
Also you ever think about fucking with a seeking account and doing the SB thing? That way you can sort of screen guys out, see their photos, FaceTime all that before to rule so you’re not meeting up with some violent piece of shit. It ain’t SB/SD and they both sail off happily ever after in their yacht, a lot of girls on their just do hookups for $.
Hi Sasha- do you know anything about the exotic massage and body rub parlors that seem to have a ubiquitous presence in Manhattan? One such place advertises the girl is totally naked and slides herself over the customer's body who also is totally naked. The girls look gorgeous in their photos. Is this stuff for real?
TL DR: no more than $100 BJ, but will pay upwards of $150 for BBJ (more if I want to establish a relationship). And no more than $300 FS. (This includes the room fee) I used to go to $350 but I've been more discerning lately.
For some context, I don't actively seek extras where VIP rooms have this type of pricing as described in the OP. My data points for this area is small because most girls that work in these clubs are going to charge the room rate separate from the extras. I'm already priced out of these clubs and I let these girls know (especially if they're 6s). On the occasion that I do receive extras in this type of establishment, it's probably no more than $50-60 for the bbj/cbj (I don't negotiate that much because of the room fee and b/c girl's preference/safety), and probably $150 max for FS. The way I look at it, there are escorts at this price range that are providing a full hour and I'm at the club for variety.
At the end of the day though you just can't separate the room fee from the tip, the guy has to pay every bit of it. you know if this shit ends up being like 800 all together for what like 5 minutes of fucking, with some fucking asshole timing you, and some dickhead manager just waiting to be a fucking dickhead about something, and in a tight little cramped booth where you can't be too noisy, it just ain't worth it for most guys.
Sorry, I can't help with your question. I feel like the totals the guys above are saying sound low though.
i have been fiddling with the idea of esc0rting outside the club. i said $500 to one guy and he was all for it. he’s been into me for a long time.
another guy who i barely know was honest, said it’s too pricey for him. he goes to the asian massage parlor and they give him a happy ending for $150. i’m not gonna budge my price for this dude so we just respectfully decided it’s not going to work for either of us. that’s all!
After that, it depends on on the region, the club, and what other similar dancers are charging. You're going to need to figure that out via trial, error, and negotiation.
I don't think a bunch of guys from all over the place going to different clubs will be very helpful in terms of your standard pricing.
GUAC IS EXTRA.
You aren’t a fan of two tier pricing? Then she can just do a lap dance for you during your time. If you want to get sucked or fucked, that is extra. This is very, very normal. And, her prices are extremely reasonable.
Guac is extra.
Down here the condiments, guacamole, sour cream, ketchup, mustard, even relish is included.
i’m honestly so sorry i even posted this
Very classy that you didn't get upset by someone who thought you should take GILF handjob rates. To bad everyone can't just accept that you aren't doing them wrong by setting a rate than is more than what they want to pay.
Discussions like this on both the customer and dancer side tend to be biased and aspirational. I've also seen discussions on the dancer side (on reddit specifically) where dancers claim to regularly charge $500 to $700 for hand jobs. I strongly suspect that's not true, but all I can confirm is that it's not remotely true anywhere near me.
Also, $500 for OTC with a top girl not unreasonable. Used to be doable pretty easily for $300, but I guess inflation is affecting everything.
The PL reactions here are the same for anything they buy they think is overpriced. I'm in Consulting and have been nearly violently thrown out of rooms for going through pricing with our projects.
Those room prices aren't the highest I've seen (and I've been pretty much everywhere), but they're pretty damn high. As PLs we aren't saying that this is ridiculous, but we are saying that you won't have a market for many of us. One thing I have seen, these PLs that pay these prices are often one and done and don't repeat, this is why you have to take account of your market over time (like annually) to put into perspective your pricing.
As for OTC, $500 is a little high -- I would say average is $400/450 (but that may be for incall rates, in which case the market expects to pay more for outcall).
- I think for FS, you could double the room rate and definitely still find a market. Maybe add 50% for CBJ. So for example a $600 tip for FS 1 HR or $125 tip for CBJ for 15 min room. (Maybe you also suggest you don't do extras in the 15 min room, to keep your prices up.) +50-100% is a lot more than people here are suggesting, and people here are definitely right that it's more than most mongers can afford. But I'm saying this because there are a lot of wealthy mongers living in and traveling to NY. That's your market, not a group of bargain hunting SC enthusiasts on the internet. (And no offense to the bargain hunters, but I just don't think these folks suggesting any tip would be too much on top of the room rate are going to be patronizing your club, or your services. These folks are comparing your prices in NY, where things are expensive, to less expensive markets.)
- One thing to consider is expectations. A PL who spends over $1,000 plans ahead, as you normally can't get that kind of cash out of an ATM the night of. PLs who have this kind of money to spend are likely going to read reviews of your club and plan in advance to spend that kind of cash. So, I would keep a close eye on what reviews here and elsewhere are saying about your club and pricing.
- An inflection point for me is: could I fly to Detroit, FLL, or TJ, pay for a hotel room, and have a comparable or better experience for a lower price? Even at $1200 all in, the answer is probably not. But if you were charging any more than double the room rate you might have me thinking I should keep my powder dry and save my money for a trip to HK club in the future, if that makes sense.
- The market for escorts services in your area is an interesting guideline, but I think you can charge more ITC. There's a premium to be placed on finding ITC action because as a PL, you get the see the dancers in person, can chat them up before you meet, not worry as much about stings, pimps, etc.
Bottom line: don't underestimate your worth, especially in the market you're in where these services are expensive and hard to find.
That the thing that’s worth a few extra bucks not the rooms she’s selling.
If I were one of the PLs there I'd just go to another club without such expensive room rates.