How to Rate the ATF - Peak or Present?
Asking this question straight up. No backstory for now. I'll even leave this thread in the Front Room so the noobs and riff raff can join in lol.If your ATF is still in the game, but arguably is no longer the Current Fav, can she lose her ATF status if her peak is still the best experience you've ever had in the hobby?
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I don't have an ATF. I still have enough years yet where it feels premature to apply the "all time" in ATF. Right now I have a couple of CFs and a CF+, but I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy. It's always possible to find a dancer who scores a few points higher.
but i do allocate atf status on a club by club basis.
in American English
ADJECTIVE
unsurpassed up to the present time
Example: an all-time record
ATF a stripper that to a customer/tuscler is the best he has had up to the present time, not necessary the Current Favorite, because she might have retired, moved, died.
But that's me.
I'll take this one as a joke.
"I’m a go with the too much thought group"
"I'd call that more like 'probable'"
Now that's just piling on lol.
Backstory #2 for no one in particular...It would be easy to reply with a "would we all rather talk about what pants to wear to a club for the 1000th time" or something off topic, but that's just being obvious. So I'll just say "maybe". But sometimes I think about how 20-something me saw the hobby and lol. At both the good and bad. Something like how warrior wrote the other day about re-reading his old reviews. https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=8137…
Hell, I can go back and read what 20-ish wallanon said on TUSCL. All due respect, but some of you were already "old" before you ever got here. So sometimes I'll just offer up something for the younguns. It's fun to see them talk like they've got life figured out, but that doesn't mean the more experienced guys can't toss out some food for thought.
But it is to some degree a bit of pervert navel gazing.
CF and ATF are TUSCL-specific terms that people tend to define according to their own preferences at the time.
I tend to group dancers as "This is great!" or "Not all of my decisions are good decisions." But there's no hand acronyms there.
Lol. I know it's a typo, but that sounds like something a guy needs to pay extra for.
"CF and ATF are TUSCL-specific terms that people tend to define according to their own preferences at the time."
I've actually heard guys refer to their all time favorite dancers IRL who I don't think were TUSCLers. All guys might not have one, but those that do will know them when they see them.
But there was more to it than just her beauty
She is the only dancer to this day:
* I had at least 1 champagne room dance every year that I knew her, and most years at least two.
* Where many of the lap dances in the champagne room had plenty of foreplay, and especially lots of DFK.
* I Had over 2 hours worth of champagne room dances on a single visit, multiple times.
* Who sat at my table the entire time during several College football games, including the annual OSU / Michigan game and several National Championship games. Where we would typically get 2 for 1 dances, and often a champagne room dance at halftime.
* Who ended up finding me most of my other favorites at the club during time she danced.
I take ATF to mean all time favorite. I see no reason your ATF can't have been replaced with a new CF, or current favorite, while still remaining your ATF. Sports figures are a great example, many all time greats were not the best player on the field/court towards the end of their careers. But few would argue the younger guys had taken over as the GOAT. I hate Tom Brady, but its hard to argue he's not the GOAT or at least a strong contender in the conversation. But I'd take Pat Mahomes over him on my team today without a moments hesitation, but I call you an ignorant simpleton if you tried to argue Mahomes was the GOAT.
At the same time, and using similar logic, the ATF gets that title not from a single performance or an absolute peak. It's across a body of work. If I were to choose an ATF it would be a girl who maybe wasn't the single lay best I've ever had, but rather one who delivered many stellar performances, was entertaining to be around when we weren't fucking, was available and reliable, etc. There's other ways to describe the hottest stripper ever, or the best sex ever, or other one-time superlatives.
My ATF kept my interest for longer than any other OTC friend ever has, which is saying something. She commanded the bulk of my OTC spending for an entire year. She was a sexy, seductive, bright and beautiful full blooded Italian girl- just downright craveable in every way. She was also great in bed.
But every train ride has to end eventually. These "relationships" are not designed to be permanent. I had a lot of rapport with her, but even still a connection built primarily upon money for sex will have an expiration date. We were never going to invite each other to our life events and she would eventually move on from the business.
So when things started to get stale, I sought my fun elsewhere, even though she continued to dance for several more months. But until another girl can keep my attention for that long and bring me the enjoyment that she did during the peak of our OTC adventures, she will always be my ATF.
This is usually how I go about it, like doc savage said. But what I'm reconsidering is how I weigh the different factors of who's on top. Maybe I just got it "wrong" with ATF #4, which is funny in itself because it's totally subjective. I'm thinking a retcon might be in order lol. Backstory #1 got a little long to drop here, so I'll put that in another thread.
If you ever get confused about the difference between a Current Favorite (CF) and an All Time Favorite (ATF), the TUSCLers have just given you all the information you need to sort that out. You're welcome.
The best of all-time is not necessarily the best at every point of the career or best single performance ever. The greatest of all-time is the overall body of work.
Tom Brady may not be the best QB this year...but that doesn't mean suddenly he's not the all-time best.
She was crashing and burning from the start, so to speak in terms of peaking seems wrong but she was always absolutely gorgeous and the times we had together over the years were an incredibly wild ride. I don’t know if I was more of an enabler or a lifeline. Así es la vida.
One time I helped a dancer get her health right, but that's one girl out of a lot of looking the other way. Another time I almost helped a girl fix her meth mouth, but luckily some other sucker came along and decided to be her sugar daddy. I knew her before the drug problem and she was basically a 10, so I almost went for it when she came asking for help.
But anyway she dropped the daddy after her teeth got fixed, and was trying to get back in my lineup cause all of a sudden her bills weren't magically getting paid. By then her bff was my ATF #3.
This 100 times. I suspect that the same guys who enjoy having strip club wives are also the types who don't mind - and maybe even enjoy - getting involved in excess life drama with these girls. Like I always say, I'll never criticize how another man spends his time and money, but I already have too much drama in my life to shoulder anyone else's.
It is always and forever a matter of perspective. They and we are temporary stops in each others' lives. We're also the perverts trying to get into their pants. This is not a healthy backdrop for a mentor/mentee relationship. You can be a source of comfort and moral support or you can be yet another much older guy trying to fuck her - you can't be both. There is no such thing as the Noble Pervert.
For these reasons, my speedboat is ever ready to whisk me away from the ship at the first sign of distress. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a girl who shares real life stories with me while we are together. Indeed I prefer it to the fake bubbly nonsense. Where I draw the line is when the girl tries to make me a participant in her drama or tries to use it to excuse bad behavior.
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Neither of us know exactly where it is going, or for how long, but her dedication to me seems to be getting more intense every few months. She has gone from working the club 3 days per week down to a few days every few months, just to keep in contact with friends etc. We have a long distance relationship, but we spend a shit load of time together virtually at night, via FaceTime, while I am in the hotel since I work on the road.
She owns her own house, only has a few bills, her vehicle is paid off, No Drug habit other than weed, as she graciously accepts her $1000 per month allowance for Gas and Essentials. Each Hotel meeting (6-8 hours) she receives $1000 Cash plus a tank of Gas for her travel time to meet me. She has Spring & Fall wardrobe needs, which cost in the neighborhood of $1000 per season.
Never spent like this on an ATF before, but we both seem happy with the relationship, I still have a growing Bank account, and I have realized that life is short and you can't take anything with you....
I think I have a keeper..........Plus she doesn't have any Tattoos