States / Cities that COULD have a great strip club scene but don't.

Virginia could have a great club scene in theory, but they'd rather be a nanny state instead and require pasties throughout the entire state, not just city by city like other states.

But think about it: mid-Atlantic. East Coast. High tourism. Plenty of affluent areas in the DMV. So much potential!

West Virginia (full nude with alcohol and contact) shows you what Virginia could've been. Instead, in VA you're going to be ripped off and maybe get contact. And in DC you're going to be even more ripped off and get an air dance!

New York, Chicago, and LA proper. It’s crazy that the 3 largest cities in America aren’t “good” strip club cities!

Thankfully we have Dallas and Houston!

Nashville

I've heard that Pennsylvania has old fashioned divorce laws, the ones that see marriage as a promise to the woman of a lifetime meal ticket. I wonder if that diverts many would be strippers to the trophy wife career path.

I believe it's the case in Australia, where sex work is legal, there's a red light district in every good sized city. But I don't think any region of Australia is as socially conservative as some parts of the US. But even Salt Lake City has over 200 escorts listed on tryst.link . So if SCOTUS decided banning sex work is a violation of substantive due process, I guess that would mean good clubs everywhere.

Fort Collins had The Hunt Club, but that was shut down in 2013 before I was of age. The owner sold the building to a fucking church. 350 places of worship in this city and not a single titty bar. There was a gal who wanted to open another strip club a few years later and determined she needed $2M of capital to get it started. No bank in town wanted to give her a loan, lest they “offend their clients”, which makes no sense, because, to your point, this is a pretty purple area and everything surrounding CSU is fiercely blue. But even the cowpokes love titties, who doesn’t? Furthermore, getting a liquor license in town is a real bitch, I hear, but I don’t know the specifics.

Denver is a god damn shithole of a city with nosebleed prices, like you said, and while the one place in Cheyenne is affordable, it’s fairly low mileage because there’s virtually no privacy. Both cities have beautiful and friendly dancers, but I think Cheyenne is more bang for your buck, even if you get lower mileage. I cannot stress enough how horrible of a place the greater Denver metro area is, fuck driving 1hr+ through shitty traffic and shitty roadways to pay $100 for 3 songs or $500 for 1 hour, or more, because a lot of girls are independent contractors and set their own prices. Not worth it even if the ladies are comfortable with you manhandling them. I’ve never not had fun in Cheyenne, it’s a smooth drive, and Wyoming still has some gorgeous and enthusiastic women.

As a college town with 180,000 people, beautiful women of all ages, especially CSU students, and a booming local economy, Fort Collins needs a strip club. Vocal minorities and puritans be damned.

One thing I remember hearing about Chicago years ago being a poor strip club city is they had a bust involving underage dancers.

As far as Colorado goes, there is a significant conservative Christianity presence there. OTOH, Texas does, too.

Missouri, or at least the Kansas City area, strikes me as similar to PAWG Patrol's description of Virginia.

I've long thought Wisconsin should be a good strip club state, but have generally been disappointed there.

Perhaps not too surprising with it being the state capitol, but one would think that Tallahassee might have loads of potential, no pun intended. Florida is a pretty good state for clubs overall, and with FSU being there, cute girls should be plentiful...

@Manuellabore I was going to mention Nashville as well...

Then again, strip club scenes seem better when you keep the alternatives in mind: youtube.com

@Icey this isn’t a troll thread it’s a thread based on observations I have made over the years. Yeah no shit we all know SLC doesn’t have a great stripclub scene there’s no mystery there. On the other hand there are many places in Country that have serious potential but are nonetheless crippled for one reason or another. If those restrictions were removed we could see things get a whole lot better. I am also surprised that some places you would think are terrible somehow punch above their weight. I remember a club out in a tiny town in Montana that was full of hidden gems and was one of the best experiences ever. This was a tiny town and Montana women in general are not the prettiest. Well they had a really good lineup of all American hotties, prices were reasonable, grinds were fuckin awesome, everything was full nude with alcohol. So I guess it cuts both ways.

I’m confused by Colorado. I think when it comes to looks, especially thinness, Denver is one of the most strict places. But I haven’t been there in a while, so maybe the clubs are less strict on that? I know that Ricks/the club with a million name changes had been on the upswing for the past five years or so, and weren’t so skinny strict. So my guess is that if the other clubs are getting more relaxed, it’s because they saw one club do well either despite or because of the greater range of body types.

In general, every once in a while, I will hear some type of comment like “how DARE this place have dances that go over $20/song if we are not in some kind of sky high cost of living area!”

But then on the other hand, some state like Connecticut doesn’t have a good reputation for $ for dancers and the extras clubs are about Tijuana prices? I think it would be pretty interesting to rank areas by cost and put it right next to some cost of living index list like from Numbeo 😁 Maybe if I get bored enough, I’ll look into it

I personally think a lot of it comes down to this:

There are a lot of strippers out there willing to break the rules. Many of them don’t in fear of getting fired if caught.

There’s a lot of club management that wouldn’t care if strippers break the rules, but they do, in fear of getting busted by local authorities.

I'll throw Oakland into this mix. It's always been the more ghetto city in the Bay Area as compared to San Francisco and San Jose. It has almost no clubs and an excellent diverse demographic. Maybe local laws prevent it, but when I lived there I always wondered why it didn't have clubs to compete with the expensive and clip joint San Francisco clubs and the no touch & bikini bars in San Jose. And just like San Francisco clubs in the 80s, it would help keep the prostitution off the streets.

Honestly start at Chicago and work your way west. Let's face it, high cost of living cities will never have great clubs because even if they legalized prostitution tomorrow it would still be $400 or whatever ITC. But cities like Madison, Minneapolis and Omaha and even Boise are places that could all be like Detroit used to be if they chose to; relatively affordable with lots of cute white girls.

Pot legalization means chronic munchies, thus a shortage of thin strippers.

JamesSD Chicago is expensive but a lot of those cities you described are not cheap either. I know Boise has gone from being affordable to HCOL post Pandemic. Yeah the authorities basically said “we think all of these prostitution laws are totally antiquated and what two consenting adults do is none of our godamn business as long as there are no minors involved or Women being coerced or trafficked”. Than I suppose any place in the US could be pretty good. I won’t be holding my breath for that to happen. I think a lot of it boils down to the clubs don’t want any heat from law enforcement so they make things strict and abide the lame add rules lest they be shut down.

For a large city Chicago is amazingly barren for some reason, I would have to assume local regulations though don’t know for sure . There are smaller cities with more clubs than in the entire Chicago metro area. DC , Boston and NYC also seem to have few clubs considering the size of the city .

Boston is a strip club wasteland. I simply will never even bother, even if I am parked down the street. Providence was the home of the New England mafia and remains the home of New England strip clubs.; better food too.

Definitely Nashville. It has become the destination party capital of the mid- Atlantic or mid-west (however you want to describe it geographically). A few strip clubhouse would fit in great among the bars on Broadway.

I also think the Las Vegas strip club scene should be better than it is.

And then there are the Florida Keys. One would think that drunk guys would want to hit the strip clubs after a day of fishing and drinking, but the Keys are a strip club wasteland, despite the clip joints in Key West.

Stripping could get broader public support if the clubs formed a bikini kickball league: apnews.com

The problem with Las Vegas is the whole city has a ROB mindset. It's built on tourists flying in with cash to burn, not providing value.

@Danton, Yeah I agree, hence the title of this discussion. I have spent a good chunk of time in Chicago from childhood and now into adulthood. When I reached the age where I was going to strip clubs, I saw what Chicago had to offer and was baffled by how lacking it is. Chicago has been compared to Montreal because both cities have beautiful women, its a cultural meting pot / international city, good food, classic architecture, crooked politics, old neighborhoods and bars going back generations. Except Montreal has thriving strip club scene with relatively lax rules. Chicago OTOH is a fuckin joke. The raw foundational elements for everything to be kickass are there but for whatever reason things that should have happened never did.

^Always been a Providence guy. My cousin owned the dog track in Lincoln, before he sold out for a casino.

Regarding Vegas, I think the legal brothels outside of town have an impact as well. No need to push for extras when you you can go 30-60 minutes into the country and get full service P4P.

^Those legal brothels are way pricier than what you would pay for an independent escort. But, everything in Vegas is steep.

@Ferdinx I have never been and have little desire to go, but I have heard those legal brothels outside of Vegas are pretty lousy. People have said that the rates the girls charge are astronomical and the quality of women and service in general is abysmal. One guy said “it’s about as erotic as going to the dentist for a teeth cleaning”. I have heard of people going there and once they see the women and the prices they are asking they just have a drink in the bar and than pack it up and go home.

America is at its core a sexually Puritan, conservative country.

Its capitalism does NOT apply to sex. Sex is the one exception to its capitalist money-oriented ethos. So, for instance, a point was reached in this country where marijuana was decriminalized and integrated into capitalism, but that will never happen with anything sexual here.

I posted the exact same thing you did in a 2017 thread on this site. Living in the US, for the most part, amounts to living in a sexual desert. American men are severely deprived, compared to even Canadian or Australian not to mention European or Latin-American men. There are some exceptions here and there, like the Northeast, maybe South Florida. The smartest thing any single American man can do for himself is to strategically live close to the Canadian border, the Mexican border, or close to one of the few exception spots in the US.

Both the liberal (blue) and conservative (red) areas in the US impose sexual restrictions. The reasons differ, but the underlying pattern is the same. It's like when #MeToo happened in 2017, America went on its perennial anti-sex witch hunt, but this time suddenly from the left (feminist) angle rather than from the right. But the underlying principle was the same as ever -- America just hates and restricts sex. It's always something. Manhattan NYC is the most liberal place in the country, yet getting any kind of two-way dance there costs upward of $600+ on par with the Bible Belt.

Was even one club closed due to #MeToo? If there weren't so many customers (and club managers) who don't think #MeToo was necessary, strip clubs would be less seedy, and thus more accepted.

I'd say Portland should be great, but it is lacking. Portland has full nudity and booze. It has a good supply of hot young ladies. There is a state law banning ID scanning on people that present as obviously over 21. Weed is legal and a lot of clubs have patios where you can indulge. Clubs are open till 2:30am or later, transit is effective and ride share is cheap.

However, dances are crazy expensive. Dances were standard of $40/song 3/100 at the cheaper places, and I've heard $70/song at Mary's. They've set the price so high that the quantity of dances sold isn't enough to generate a living income for the dancer.s. Basically every dancer I've spoken with in Portland says that she has another job that provides the majority of her income.

By contrast, you never meet dancers in the $20/$30 a song regions of the North East, SoCal, or Canada that require second jobs.

Maybe Portland is similar to San Francisco. In SF, seemed like it was mostly mixed groups in the club, there only or mostly for the stage show. Good stage tips for non-make-it-rain clubs. But not enough to match what lap dancers can make, in a reasonably busy club with dances under $30. I think maybe FS sex workers in SF either escort, or use massage rather than stripping as a cover.

Never ceases to amaze me that a Country that bills itself as the most free country in the world is like living in Riyadh Saudi Arabia barring a few metropolitan areas where the authorities take the pragmatic approach and look the other way. You could almost throw a dart at a map and land on a country that is better in regards to the whole exchanging money for female companionship thing. Sadly, I don't see things getting better within my lifetime. I think the anti-sex culture in this country has too much inertia, even though polls have shown the majority of Americans don't care what a man and woman do consensually and feel the government has no mandate to enforce morality. There are forces at work that are hellbent on keeping anything good in this realm from happening. P.S. were not a capitalistic country and haven't been for a very long time. We are country dominated by a moneyed class who have a majority ownership stake in big business and politicians are on the payroll as well. Politicians are merely the interface between the oligarchy and the hoi polloi. Wanna make prostitution legal? Become a billionaire first.

The "end thread" answer is: San Francisco. What makes it the answer?

1. Law enforcement's (including the DA's) stated policy is that they don't police or prosecute prostitution in the clubs. So extras could be available at all non-alcohol clubs.

2. LOTS of socially awkward, wealthy men = never-ending source of income, which should drive club busienss

3. Back around 2000, give or take a few years on either side, the formula above did as predicted: easy to argue that San Francisco was the best strip club city in the country, by far. It included what was probably the best strip club ever to exist in the US, with conditions so amazing the flow of the hottest strippers was often FROM Vegas TO SF. Think one club with SR or Sapphire Las Vegas level girls, but full extras. Another limited-extras club but 75% Asian women (if you had an Asian fetish it was amazing) and club culture of slow hustle. Another, cheap plentiful extras for you bottom trawlers. Another, the oldest strip club in the US. It goes on and on, it was amazing.

So what happened?

First, Deja Vu bought all clubs except two of them, and corporatized them. Then, MBOT's consent decree in 2007 made it a non-contender. The employee status law made the clubs significantly worse, for customers and especially for strippers (who voted with their feet with retirements, switching to other cities, etc.). Then, after the pandemic shutdown, Deja Vu (which now has 100% of clubs) decided not to re-open ANY dayshifts, so for those of us for whom dayshift works best, we don't even have an option of the current crappy clubs.

Laid on top of that is the fact that younger men don't enjoy SCs the way older generations do (this is all around the country, not just SF), so they're not backfilling for all the middle-aged and older men who are gone from the scene. The scene in SF is a shadow of its former self, for strippers just as much as customers.