I am wondering in your own words what are some states and / or cities that have some or all of the right ingredients for having a truly kickass strip club scene but for whatever reason be it cultural, zoning restrictions, law enforcement, local politics....etc. keep it from reaching its full potential.
I'll start this off with 2 of mine. Colorado and Chicago Illinois.
First off Colorado is a blue state with fairly liberal attitudes towards many things. I'm not saying that strip clubs can't thrive in red states as we have Texas and Florida. But liberal places tend to be a little better in the personal freedoms department generally when it pertains to this sort of thing. Colorado was first state to legalize Cannabis so you would also think they would be pretty good when it comes to VICE and "live and let live". Furthermore, there is a ton of money and tech in Colorado which if you want to attract the girls there needs to be an abundance of cash freely flowing.
In addition Colorado has a decent amount of fit and attractive Women. Things were lightyears better 10, 15, 20 years ago as Colorado truly did have a metric shit ton of hotties. Just tons of healthy attractive college aged chicks with good genetics. You also have two large Universities in the state pulling in tons of talent. In recent times the talent level has gone down several notches which I attribute mostly to low-quality transplants invading the state and the general fattification of America.
So why are Colorado clubs so fucking lame if it has almost all of the right ingredients to bake the cake? I haven't done a super detailed analysis but I suspect the main culprit is zoning / liquor board, and law enforcement pressure.
First off its hard to open a strip club because most municipalities will only allow this in certain areas, if they allow it at all. There are many hoops to jump through and I suspect that localities in Colorado make it extremely difficult if not impossible for new places to open up. So basically all the old places are grandfathered in, and the new competition has been effectively kept from ever entering the race. If no new clubs can start up and potentially compete than there really isn't much business pressure to lower prices or offer a better product. RCI Entertainment and PT's own the bulk of the Denver area clubs, with a few independent operators sprinkled in between. All of them offer a pretty mediocre experience at nosebleed prices. Why? Because they can. There is no new competition cropping up to steal market-share by offering a better experience or cheaper prices. This is a textbook example of a highly regulated market with entrenched players protecting their monopoly. Not exactly the highly dynamic and competitive free-market which we are led to believe exists in America.
Secondly, law enforcement pressure in Colorado is pervasive. They may have legal weed and look the other way on hard drug use, homelessness, and petty theft in Denver city limits. But don't worry, the boys in blue are always ready to shut your club down if more than $50 dollar topless air dances is happening in the VIP booth. If you read the news there have been a number of busts and sting operations in Colorado targeting this sort of activity.
Alright now on to Chicago.
Chicago and Illinois in general has a good amount of attractive Midwest babes to work in the clubs. Good clubs cant exist without the talent to feed them. In addition, Chicago is an international city with Russian, Greek, Italian, Hispanic, Polish, and Irish communities going back generations. There is no major shortage of good looking Women in Chicago. Back in the day I.E. 90's early to mid 2000's the talent level was off the charts. I remember walking around places along the Gold Coast and Downtown in the loop and there was staggering amount of jaw dropping hotties strutting their stuff.
Sadly, Chicago has fallen off pretty hard as well, and I really don't see that as much whenever I visit these days. The same factors have been at play across the USA and Chicago has not been spared. That being said, there is still plenty of stripper material there even if you don't see them out on the streets as much.
Secondly, Illinois and Chicago politicians are crooked as a dogs hind leg. Cook county Illinois has earned the nickname "Crook" county. While public corruption sucks and I want my politicians to accountable and honest. When it comes to the realm of adult entertainment I actually want my politicians to be corrupt and on the take if it means I get to enjoy a good strip club scene. I mean look what the wonders of corruption did to Miami and their club scene. But barring maybe one or two clubs out in the suburbs, Chicago clubs have strict rules, are policed hard, and are fraction of what their full potential could be. Expect to spend tons of money and leave frustrated with blue balls if you visit a Chicago club.
Unlike Colorado, I don't know why Chicagoland clubs sucks so hard. The bulk of the right ingredients seem to be there, but for whatever reason they just aren't all that great. You would think Chicago would be the Sin city of the Midwest but it just ain't. Perhaps someone else can chime in and tell me why.
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last commentVirginia could have a great club scene in theory, but they'd rather be a nanny state instead and require pasties throughout the entire state, not just city by city like other states.
But think about it: mid-Atlantic. East Coast. High tourism. Plenty of affluent areas in the DMV. So much potential!
West Virginia (full nude with alcohol and contact) shows you what Virginia could've been. Instead, in VA you're going to be ripped off and maybe get contact. And in DC you're going to be even more ripped off and get an air dance!
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New York, Chicago, and LA proper. It’s crazy that the 3 largest cities in America aren’t “good” strip club cities!
Thankfully we have Dallas and Houston!
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Nashville
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I've heard that Pennsylvania has old fashioned divorce laws, the ones that see marriage as a promise to the woman of a lifetime meal ticket. I wonder if that diverts many would be strippers to the trophy wife career path.
I believe it's the case in Australia, where sex work is legal, there's a red light district in every good sized city. But I don't think any region of Australia is as socially conservative as some parts of the US. But even Salt Lake City has over 200 escorts listed on tryst.link . So if SCOTUS decided banning sex work is a violation of substantive due process, I guess that would mean good clubs everywhere.
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Fort Collins had The Hunt Club, but that was shut down in 2013 before I was of age. The owner sold the building to a fucking church. 350 places of worship in this city and not a single titty bar. There was a gal who wanted to open another strip club a few years later and determined she needed $2M of capital to get it started. No bank in town wanted to give her a loan, lest they “offend their clients”, which makes no sense, because, to your point, this is a pretty purple area and everything surrounding CSU is fiercely blue. But even the cowpokes love titties, who doesn’t? Furthermore, getting a liquor license in town is a real bitch, I hear, but I don’t know the specifics.
Denver is a god damn shithole of a city with nosebleed prices, like you said, and while the one place in Cheyenne is affordable, it’s fairly low mileage because there’s virtually no privacy. Both cities have beautiful and friendly dancers, but I think Cheyenne is more bang for your buck, even if you get lower mileage. I cannot stress enough how horrible of a place the greater Denver metro area is, fuck driving 1hr+ through shitty traffic and shitty roadways to pay $100 for 3 songs or $500 for 1 hour, or more, because a lot of girls are independent contractors and set their own prices. Not worth it even if the ladies are comfortable with you manhandling them. I’ve never not had fun in Cheyenne, it’s a smooth drive, and Wyoming still has some gorgeous and enthusiastic women.
As a college town with 180,000 people, beautiful women of all ages, especially CSU students, and a booming local economy, Fort Collins needs a strip club. Vocal minorities and puritans be damned.
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One thing I remember hearing about Chicago years ago being a poor strip club city is they had a bust involving underage dancers.
As far as Colorado goes, there is a significant conservative Christianity presence there. OTOH, Texas does, too.
Missouri, or at least the Kansas City area, strikes me as similar to PAWG Patrol's description of Virginia.
I've long thought Wisconsin should be a good strip club state, but have generally been disappointed there.
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Perhaps not too surprising with it being the state capitol, but one would think that Tallahassee might have loads of potential, no pun intended. Florida is a pretty good state for clubs overall, and with FSU being there, cute girls should be plentiful...
@Manuellabore I was going to mention Nashville as well...
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The topic is as worthless as the trollish word salad accompanying it
What if scenarios are retarded. Just say any place could potentially have a good scene
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Then again, strip club scenes seem better when you keep the alternatives in mind: youtube.com
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@Icey this isn’t a troll thread it’s a thread based on observations I have made over the years. Yeah no shit we all know SLC doesn’t have a great stripclub scene there’s no mystery there. On the other hand there are many places in Country that have serious potential but are nonetheless crippled for one reason or another. If those restrictions were removed we could see things get a whole lot better. I am also surprised that some places you would think are terrible somehow punch above their weight. I remember a club out in a tiny town in Montana that was full of hidden gems and was one of the best experiences ever. This was a tiny town and Montana women in general are not the prettiest. Well they had a really good lineup of all American hotties, prices were reasonable, grinds were fuckin awesome, everything was full nude with alcohol. So I guess it cuts both ways.
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I’m confused by Colorado. I think when it comes to looks, especially thinness, Denver is one of the most strict places. But I haven’t been there in a while, so maybe the clubs are less strict on that? I know that Ricks/the club with a million name changes had been on the upswing for the past five years or so, and weren’t so skinny strict. So my guess is that if the other clubs are getting more relaxed, it’s because they saw one club do well either despite or because of the greater range of body types.
In general, every once in a while, I will hear some type of comment like “how DARE this place have dances that go over $20/song if we are not in some kind of sky high cost of living area!”
But then on the other hand, some state like Connecticut doesn’t have a good reputation for $ for dancers and the extras clubs are about Tijuana prices? I think it would be pretty interesting to rank areas by cost and put it right next to some cost of living index list like from Numbeo 😁 Maybe if I get bored enough, I’ll look into it
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I personally think a lot of it comes down to this:
There are a lot of strippers out there willing to break the rules. Many of them don’t in fear of getting fired if caught.
There’s a lot of club management that wouldn’t care if strippers break the rules, but they do, in fear of getting busted by local authorities.
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I'll throw Oakland into this mix. It's always been the more ghetto city in the Bay Area as compared to San Francisco and San Jose. It has almost no clubs and an excellent diverse demographic. Maybe local laws prevent it, but when I lived there I always wondered why it didn't have clubs to compete with the expensive and clip joint San Francisco clubs and the no touch & bikini bars in San Jose. And just like San Francisco clubs in the 80s, it would help keep the prostitution off the streets.
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Honestly start at Chicago and work your way west. Let's face it, high cost of living cities will never have great clubs because even if they legalized prostitution tomorrow it would still be $400 or whatever ITC. But cities like Madison, Minneapolis and Omaha and even Boise are places that could all be like Detroit used to be if they chose to; relatively affordable with lots of cute white girls.
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Pot legalization means chronic munchies, thus a shortage of thin strippers.
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JamesSD Chicago is expensive but a lot of those cities you described are not cheap either. I know Boise has gone from being affordable to HCOL post Pandemic. Yeah the authorities basically said “we think all of these prostitution laws are totally antiquated and what two consenting adults do is none of our godamn business as long as there are no minors involved or Women being coerced or trafficked”. Than I suppose any place in the US could be pretty good. I won’t be holding my breath for that to happen. I think a lot of it boils down to the clubs don’t want any heat from law enforcement so they make things strict and abide the lame add rules lest they be shut down.
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For a large city Chicago is amazingly barren for some reason, I would have to assume local regulations though don’t know for sure . There are smaller cities with more clubs than in the entire Chicago metro area. DC , Boston and NYC also seem to have few clubs considering the size of the city .
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Boston is a strip club wasteland. I simply will never even bother, even if I am parked down the street. Providence was the home of the New England mafia and remains the home of New England strip clubs.; better food too.
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Definitely Nashville. It has become the destination party capital of the mid- Atlantic or mid-west (however you want to describe it geographically). A few strip clubhouse would fit in great among the bars on Broadway.
I also think the Las Vegas strip club scene should be better than it is.
And then there are the Florida Keys. One would think that drunk guys would want to hit the strip clubs after a day of fishing and drinking, but the Keys are a strip club wasteland, despite the clip joints in Key West.
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Stripping could get broader public support if the clubs formed a bikini kickball league: apnews.com
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The problem with Las Vegas is the whole city has a ROB mindset. It's built on tourists flying in with cash to burn, not providing value.
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@Danton, Yeah I agree, hence the title of this discussion. I have spent a good chunk of time in Chicago from childhood and now into adulthood. When I reached the age where I was going to strip clubs, I saw what Chicago had to offer and was baffled by how lacking it is. Chicago has been compared to Montreal because both cities have beautiful women, its a cultural meting pot / international city, good food, classic architecture, crooked politics, old neighborhoods and bars going back generations. Except Montreal has thriving strip club scene with relatively lax rules. Chicago OTOH is a fuckin joke. The raw foundational elements for everything to be kickass are there but for whatever reason things that should have happened never did.
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^Always been a Providence guy. My cousin owned the dog track in Lincoln, before he sold out for a casino.
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Regarding Vegas, I think the legal brothels outside of town have an impact as well. No need to push for extras when you you can go 30-60 minutes into the country and get full service P4P.
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^Those legal brothels are way pricier than what you would pay for an independent escort. But, everything in Vegas is steep.
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@Ferdinx I have never been and have little desire to go, but I have heard those legal brothels outside of Vegas are pretty lousy. People have said that the rates the girls charge are astronomical and the quality of women and service in general is abysmal. One guy said “it’s about as erotic as going to the dentist for a teeth cleaning”. I have heard of people going there and once they see the women and the prices they are asking they just have a drink in the bar and than pack it up and go home.
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