Making out with a stripper…extra?

Muddy, I have heard of guys paying for DFK dances.

But really you can't get girls to kiss by getting them to agree to it. What they do will not be good.

So to kiss them there is charm and generosity, but then you just have to kiss them.

So don't listen to a girl who promises to kiss in the back room. If she really wants to kiss you she will be doing it, and right there, not talking about it.

SJG

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I'll bet Muddy's comment comparing it to buying a car really threw you off eh creep. Ok, let's compare it to buying a bicycle from the salvation army thrift store. Better now?

And having to pay extra for the handle bar horn.

Muddy, I’m with you. I like it and it really adds to the experience, but not some thing I would pay extra for. On the plus side, it seems to be getting more common.

You just have to make it happen with them, not try to talk them into it.

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SJG

What about if she includes it with a HJ or other extra? Maybe she just doesn't want to make any extra effort unless she knows she's also getting something extra out of it. I don't think I'd pay extra just for kissing, but if we're meeting ITC for FS, I generally expect kissing.

Generosity, Charm, and just make it happen with her. Don't initiate a discussion about it. Just kiss her.

Getting a girl to agree to kiss does not yield anything good.

SJG

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i only dance with 8/9s that don't have to kiss to have a full dance card, but have still been thru the gamut of frmos, private dfk, private pecks, neck/shoulder kissing only, cheek only, and no mouth contact ever. the only common denominator i've found that lowers this inhibition is good ol fashioned catching them shitfaced drunk.

You don't have to get girls drunk to get under their skin.

SJG

We should have this quality of clubs in the US:

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i experimented with tip kissing a while back. those that agreed were very mechanical and got away with as few as possible. conversely, i been approached by fuglies offering dfk straight up. could only shake my head no to keep from barfing on them.

It should be paid for. But this is a typical broke Muddy thread. Begging for freebies. Someone needs to make that gofundme for him.

At a club without much in the way of real extras, kissing is definitely a big plus for me and often leads to repeat service, at least for me. Its the best you can get there, often a surprise, and is frankly a different type of intimacy and satisfaction. In an assembly line extras club, hell no. I know where that mouth has been over and over again.

There used to be kissing booths at county fairs. Paying for kissing is kindygarden stuff really. Kind of silly one way or the other.

I imagine the pendulum will swing back toward people being less uptight about it in general. It didn't used to be the big deal it is these days.

Of course I've been wrong about other pendulum swings I've predicted.

Is this Icee guy a jerk? He sounds like he has serious issues of something?

I used to make out with strippers frequently. Between me getting old and making them less interested, and them giving me more cold sores… I don’t do it anymore.

Kissing a pretty girl is better than fucking an ugly one, so a dancer who kisses and kisses well, is going to bank with me.

^Agree - she’s got to be really beautiful. I had a gorgeous ATF who would DFK while working and stroking me OTP and talking dirty. She was a 10, with the face of a model, great fit body, smelled nice, so that was enough for me. She’d get me off every time.

I agree that kissing is nice, but not something I'd want to negotiate a separate payment for. I'm specifically talking about kissing during an OTC meetup.

I generally don't kiss girls ITC. If she's kissing me so readily then she's likely recently kissed others or even worse if I think she does extras. No thanks.

The older you get, the more stimulus you need to rise to the occasion. So I'll generally take all of the kissing I can get but ITC I do take note of a dancers VIP action.

I usually take a shot. Some girls do, some girls don’t. No girl has ever asked for a tip specifically for making out with me.

I like the kissing especially DFK. I find that if a dancer is willing, she will usually initiate it herself because she knows the euphoric effect it has. By the time that happens, any thought of what she did with her mouth earlier that day, or an hour ago, or ten minutes ago, goes right out of my head. Fuck it man. We all eat hot dogs, but we rarely think about how they're made from the eyeballs, lips, and anus.

If I’m her first of the day I like it

Sex without kissing is barely worth having, let alone paying for it as well. Kissing a pretty girl is what makes this fun. Kissing is a great test to see if you will enjoy sex with her. It's all in the kiss.

I won't continue to see a girl if kissing isn't involved as the lack of kissing makes the experience feel too clinical, too much like a brothel.

Yall agree with sjg on gfes lulz

"i experimented with tip kissing a while back. those that agreed were very mechanical and got away with as few as possible. conversely, i been approached by fuglies offering dfk straight up. could only shake my head no to keep from barfing on them."

Yes, it does not work to try and discuss girls into kissing. If you want to kiss them you just set the mode with them and then kiss them. Totally civie style. And of course this works much better in the front room than in the back room.

Now if a girl does approach you, you also don't discuss kissing with her. If she approaches you she is not doing anything wrong and she should never be treated harshly. BUt it does mean you and have to make a decision.

If a girl kisses you, well you are over 18yo. What else can I say.

SJG

heaving wrote:

"I haven't really tried to make out with strippers. A few did peck on the lips kind of thing, maybe probing if I continued but they didn't continue when I didn't reciprocate. If I'm being honest peck on the lips is good enough for me anyway. I wish I could turn off my brain to enjoy these things, but my mind often goes "Man, I don't want to make out with a random lady, sure grabbing butt/boobs is pretty intense too but is making out crossing the line?". So I just don't.

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Well it works better in the front room, not in the booths or back rooms. You want her just to let go, not to be performing some kind of a service upon you.

And she is not a random lady, she is the one you picked.

If she did pick you, then you have to decide. If you decide yes, then it is just like you picked her.

SJG

" At a club without much in the way of real extras, kissing is definitely a big plus for me and often leads to repeat service, at least for me. Its the best you can get there, often a surprise, and is frankly a different type of intimacy and satisfaction. In an assembly line extras club, hell no. I know where that mouth has been over and over again. "

Well I don't really go along with the idea of "extras". Usually kissing means that there will be FS, either immediately in the club, or promptly outside.

SJG

Dave Anderson wrote, " There used to be kissing booths at county fairs. Paying for kissing is kindygarden stuff really. Kind of silly one way or the other.

I imagine the pendulum will swing back toward people being less uptight about it in general. It didn't used to be the big deal it is these days.

Of course I've been wrong about other pendulum swings I've predicted. "

Yes that is right. BUt usually you aren't really paying for kissing. IT is just ome kind of a token exhange.

Decades ago, totally unplanned, I volunteered for the Renaissance Pleasure Faire kissing game. I kissed a lot of very young pretty girls. And they don't hold back, it was extreme.

People pay $1. But that was just a gimmick to loosen them up. They pay their money and get to try and hit the person by firing a wet sponge with a giant slingshot. It looks hard, but it as can't lose game. They will have the selected person stand on a bucket in front of the slingshot if needed.

That gets people really loosened up.

I am not saying I was good at it. It was just for one afternoon. I was taken back by how aggressive the girls were. I took me time to learn that I needed just to loosen up and let them have their way with me. Then maybe I could take the lead.

But today, usually adults in an AMP or a Strip CLub, kissing means FS ASAP.

SJG

Rick Dugan wrote, " I agree that kissing is nice, but not something I'd want to negotiate a separate payment for. I'm specifically talking about kissing during an OTC meetup.

I generally don't kiss girls ITC. If she's kissing me so readily then she's likely recently kissed others or even worse if I think she does extras. No thanks. "

Well that is why you don't try to negotiate it with her. You treat her like a civilian.

If you pick her, then she is your prospective GF. So make her feel that. Use charm and generosity to set the mood, then just kiss her. Kiss her right were you met her, as soon as you can get within arms reach of her.

Some clubs may make this hard. So avoid them.

At one of our clubs it was slated for closure, so the back room went UHM. Girls were DFKing guys from the stage.

And this is what people post about for Tiujana. ANd it shows in the clandestine videos of TJ.

SJG

Shadowcat wrote, " The older you get, the more stimulus you need to rise to the occasion. So I'll generally take all of the kissing I can get but ITC I do take note of a dancers VIP action. "

I noticed when I first joined that Shadowcat has a postive attitude towards the girls and DFKing.

And Icey, just kissing a girl is not a GFE. You don't negotiate it. You just treat her right and then just make it happen. You want her, so just kiss her.

SJG

AFAIK kissing is fairly-rare in SCs (IME much more-rare than FS) – perhaps there are some outlier-clubs where it may be a bit more common (maybe some kinda neighborhood type SC with lots of regulars(?) etc) – I assume the guys that are repeat-regulars of a specific dancer may get more of it.

I never thought of it as an extra b/c it’s not something I ask for nor do most custies I assume – so unlikely I’d ask for it in exchange for payment in-part b/c it wouldn’t feel the same – so I don’t ask for it; but in the few occasions that a dancer allows it; I will usually reciprocate with more spending.

I assume if one is into variety vs sticking to a fave, that kissing is less-likely – I also think that the black-dancers; and the Cuban-dancers; are less into-it although some Cubanas will occasionally give you a peck on the lips but IME they tend to avoid it.

w.r.t. kissing being more common in the old-days; I assume the onset of HIV in the 80s is what likely turned that tide and although perhaps HIV is not transferred thru kissing, that stigma was in place for a long time.

Kissing, I'd be more worried about COVID or other respiratory bug than any STD.

Everybody has already been exposed to COVID, and it amounts to nothing, just a nuisance.

SJG

Kissing a hooker is a gfe. And it's looked down upon by most hoes

if she can hold a bedroom-eyes/sex mouth expression, just the anticipation of having her lips teasing me a few inches away can be pretty intense.

Kissing her is no different from kissing any other woman because you are treating her in a completely civilian manner. Most of the other women seeing this will be jealous.

SJG

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If I especially like a dancer, I want a one hour lap dance with her, with good two way contact. My target is $400 for this, if she asks for less, I tip the difference. I must be a particularly fugly and/or picky PL, because very few dancers have allowed for more than this. If she allows boob/nipple kissing, target is $500. If she does good mouth kissing, my target is $600. So yes, I do pay for it.

I've had more luck with kissing with escorts. No cold sores so far. But, given how many sex workers I've kissed, I'm almost certainly an asymptotic carrier of oral herpes.

There is nothing better than making out with a stripper. My ATF asks for more money to do it with me but I love it so much that I don’t care.

I don't negotiate for it because it in the past, 8/10 it's mechanical (maybe 7/10), but those mechanical experiences are a real turn off. That being said, if you see my reviews, I seem to get it more than the average PL here (humble brag). If we get into it, I definitely tip for it. If I don't get any boob sucking or two-way action it's usually one and done, my only exceptions are girls I rate a 10.

Honestly when sex work becomes a la carte it gets really weird. Do I want to pay $20 extra for her to bring her sex toy chest to a session? Rationally I understand it's extra work for her to plan and do so. But it's still weird.

Start the girl off with charm and generosity and a FRMOS. Then back room, then outside ASAP. After that you'll be seeing her outside regularly.

Keeping her in high heels and makeup is something that needs to be learned.

SJG

It makes sense why men take escorts and sex workers out to date first. Makes both parties more comfortable with each other before you do and beyond. BUT does it really work to make women more inclined to kiss these John's and does?

I'd assume kissing may feel more personal than even sex as movies really emphasize the romanticism of kissing. But there are enough men out there that will fall so head over heels for a pretty face (I'm a sucker for a pretty face and full lips myself) that theyll offer to pay so why not charge if enough people are willing to pay.

Is it an extra if you drive all of the dudes in the bathroom choking and puking while destroying the shitter?

Negotiating it with a girl does not yield good results. And this is why f2f first meetings are so important. Just set the mood, then kiss her.

SJG

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Post Covid I finally found a cute stripper who will kiss during lap dances, and I love it. No extra charge. Can't get enough!

Kiss her in the front room!

SJG

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Enjoy bro muddy, If previous customer deposited BJ load, kissing is more fun.

Champ,

Women maintain their hygiene very well. They are not inanimate objects.

And we do all breathe the same air, and we are all made out of the same elements.

If you don't like that, consider the elderly Howard Hughes, having to live in the top floor of Vegas hotel, paranoid of diseases. All food and drink sterilzed, all furniture and carpeting covered in plastic, air filtered, and of course no one can touch him.

SJG

SJG, yes, I take all precautions to be safe and clean. Mainly kissing a person possibly kissed or bj with many others. No way. You enjoy bro

Well, these girls protect their hygiene. They are not inanimate objects.

As someone who volunteered long ago at the Renaissance Faire Kissing Both, sometimes you kiss a lot of girls.

At a strip club you don't have to kiss that many, just the ones you want to be waking up in the mornings with. And they will keep you busy.

SJG

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naturally free kisses are nice. but i’ll go a dollar a beso… with the right girl.

The best of the US clubs are getting better

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SJG

I went into Brad's Brass in Indy one night and met a very loving and sensual young lady.She immediately pulled my shirt off and planted her tongue on my and massaged my tonsils with her tongue. Now that was hott and the next time I went in I immediately asked for her !

^ Awesome, and that is one for the back room and for the bedroom!

SJG

i have never paid extra for kissing or anything else. i make sure to build a rapport with a stripper before doing anything so i get it for free

I was at flight club this past weekend, wound up taking a girl back for dances/extras and first thing she did was initiate kissing. Not going to lie it shocked and surprised me. Not normally something I expect or think about in a club setting. I think she’s incredibly smart though as it led to #’s exchange and our first otc meet is later this morning. It’s all business and I prefer it that way but hate to say it, I’m looking forward to more of the kissing with her now

I have had it happen like that many times as well in the front room of clubs. Most places here in Ohio it is accepted front room behavior if the girl wants to make more money. You are not paying for kissing. The kissing just opens the door for more income for her like OTC adventures, gifts, etc.

^ This is the way it should be in strip clubs. And it could be so all the time, if guys did not act like chumps.

Jestrite50 is the master.

SJG