What I learned dating a girl with a sugar daddy

Women aren't materialistic when you offer shit money can't buy

Women dream of the man who is rich, handsome and charming. In the romance novels they read, the main female character is always meeting a guy like this. In the real world, though, these guys are hard to find. The rich guy is ugly, the handsome guy is an obnoxious jerk, and the charming guy is broke and unemployed.

Since it is hard to find a guy who is all three, women often settle for a guy who is two out of three or even one out three. Sometimes they may have two guys, a handsome charming guy and a rich guy, but only if both guys are willing to accept sharing her. Strippers are sometimes in this situation. They have a boyfriend who is willing to accept that his female lover is going to be spending time and maybe even engaging in sexual activities with other men who have money they are willing to give her. I've known strippers like that. I have also known other strippers who have boyfriends who won't accept that. These girls either have to quit stripping or dump the boyfriend who is demanding that they quit stripping. Some of the girls I've known do one and some I've known do the other. If I were a young girl, I would pick the guy who would be best for a long term relationship. Most young girls, though, don't think long term. They pick the thing that is best for them in the present.

^ Sez your buddy, the tap-dancing, monocle-wearing blue jay named Frederick.

If this is true, then you got to be stunt cock. That's how half the HASE I've ever experienced happened. Example, dancers who are with women at home (but used to date dudes) sometimes just want some dick. If you're bringing dick when they want it everybody wins.

I think its getting more common. Almost like women compartmentalizing men for different needs. When you ask a girl out it doesn't seem to matter if she has a man or not or if she likes girls too. I've dated girls who openly told me about how they like eating pussy. Pointing out girls they thought were hot when we'd go out. Girls who had to sneak out to see me and had curfews coz they live with guys.

This girl is emotionally hooked on me. And she has never asked for anything. She's happy with anything we do whether it's a nice dinner. Taco truck chasing. Or sex on a stage at a swingers club. Texts all the time when she's on vacation with her sugar daddy and sends pics.

The thing is in her head Its not like she cheats on him. Her feelings for me are genuine. She sees him in his role and me in mine.

I don't really like it. But it feels like this is more and more common. Like monogamy is gone and intimacy instead is based on honesty and emotional monogamy rather than sexual.

But it's teaching me how women who are viewed as so materialistic really aren't. On the flip side look at my ex who I gave everything to but she left me for a broke bum. Or a new girl I met who has a man but wants sex with me.

It's hard sometimes. I crave monogamy but I can't be monogamous with someone who isn't monogamous with me.

@Icee, like I tell one friend, you can enjoy "good girls" and "good time girls," just never mistake one for the other.

Some are just good girls with bad habits. And good girls just want their inner bad girl brought out lulz

@ceoaticeesangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“She's been therebtekling me my old bitch ain't shit.“

A couple of questions:

Is this “possessive af” and threatening, violent fighting girl with a sugar daddy saying your “old bitch ain't shit”?

Is she talking about your mythical “Ex” (old bitch) the one that left your team and went with the half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer “biker” because she was disappointed?

I think tacos and gasoline for cruising cost money, don’t they?

So where is your mythical “Ex” (old bitch), and do you agree with this new violent girl that your “old bitch ain't shit”?

^ I agree that good girls can be the wildest ones in the sack.

But like I've heard it phrased elsewhere, don't try to make a hoe into a housewife.

I've split them up neatly; I have an active civvie dating life, and P4P when I want something strange and subversive. But I'll never try to make any kind of dancer into a date. Just not my jam.

As for sugar daddies, my mentality is that if I want to directly exchange money for sex, I'd rather do so on pre-defined, honest terms, and get variety. "Sugaring" does not interest me.

As sjg would say. They're all just women. Treat them the same lulz. When you get to know them they are.

In my experience when you actually date a dancer and she really likes you she tends to be more coy than other girls in some respects. On the other hand I've had church girls come over and ask if she can shave her pussy at my place lulz

Sugaring is a long term very expensive gfe. The guys are atms while the girls lead their own lives when off the clock. If I did p4p I definitely wouldn't resort to that.

In any type of relationship. I think honesty is the most important thing. Letting someone know exactly where they stand so they know what they're getting into is the best thing you can do.

The entire thread is a bogus fraud. I believe nothing the OP posts; just a troll.

Nope

The "shit money can't buy" just means that it is far more expensive.

SJG

It means there are things money won't get you.

She lives with her sugar daddy. He buys her whatever she wants takes her on nice trips. Helps her parents and siblings out.

But I'm the one she texts all day sends pics to. Sees because she wants.to. has sex with because she wants to. He can take her to Hawaii for the weekend and first thing she does when she's back is see me. He can't buy what I have with her.

Again, what these girls want is far more than what "money can't buy".

SJG

Oh no! The CJKent_band went there?!

The point is they can be very selfless and genuine and value what money can't buy. Which is the case with most women.

Liez.

Old dudes get grumpy when you have your phone out right in front of them. Good luck texting ALL the time if one has to spend all day with someone

Not that I have any personal experience with having my phone out and the “I’ll wait until you’re finished” comment. More than once. Nope, never!

@ceoaticeesangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“But it's teaching me how women who are viewed as so materialistic really aren't.

On the flip side look at my ex who I gave everything to but she left me for a broke bum.

Or a new girl I met who has a man but wants sex with me.”

So you have learned that some women are materialistic with some people and are not materialistic with other people, like most human beings in this capitalist/materialistic society, right?

On the flip side we look at your mythical “Ex” that was materialistic with you but wanted to have sex with the half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer “biker” right?

Icey takes a girl to Olive Garden and calls her a sugar baby. Boomer logic at its finest. Lmfao! You are a BALLER there melted Ice cube

I don't have a sugar baby. And it's not lies.

@ceoaticeesangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“Sugaring is a long term very expensive gfe.

The guys are atms while the girls lead their own lives when off the clock.”

A couple of questions:

How long where you with your mythical Ex? Five years? How expensive was it?, because you said you offered 10 thousand dollars to talk with you, and she refused, maybe because it wasn’t enough…

However when your mythical Ex was “off the clock” she “lived her own life” having sex with the half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer “biker” right?

Troll someone else.

I offered her a few k to look me in the eyes and tell me she doesn't love me and ill disappear from her life forever. She couldn't do it coz she loves me

^no fool like an icey fool.

So obvious every story this twerp makes is fabricated. Please go back to trolling the Grand Theft Auto message board you got banned from.

@ceoaticeesangelsllc

Some Psychopaths (like YOU know and the half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer) can be perceived by some abused, lonely, vulnerable girls as charismatic, but are in reality just manipulative.

These Psychopaths are, often, pathological liars.

Some Psychopaths look for a particular type of girl; abused, lonely, vulnerable to their advances, and lure the girl in with ideas of “romantic love” and use all kinds of manipulation, including drugs and alcohol and prey on the girls hopelessness, loneliness…

Once lured in the “relationship” works like the “Stockholm Syndrome” when a victim forms a bond with the manipulative psychopath victimizer as a survival mechanism.

When the effectiveness of psychological manipulation decreases or disappear, some girls (Ur Ex) want to escape to a safe place for them, but often times “fall in love” with another Psychopath predator…(half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer)

American “popular culture” glamorizes this type of relationships on rap music and videos, pimps and hoes, this in reality the casual glamorization of domestic physical and psychological violence in songs or movies…

Sometimes they say; I thought we were partners when they realize there are just victims and victimizers…

Let’s be careful out there…

===> "But like I've heard it phrased elsewhere, don't try to make a hoe into a housewife."

This. My favorite version of this: Don't try to turn an alley cat into a house cat.

I've seen a handful of guys hook up with strippers for long stretches over the years and it never ends well, especially if the girl had been stripping F/T for a number of years. There's a reason that she chose that path for so long to begin with. Inevitably she eventually starts to feel trapped, especially when there are kids involved. I've never seen these things end well, not ever.

So when some guy asks himself, "Why is she with some loser BF instead of a super duper affluent great guy like me?", he needs to understand that diverse people value different things more than others. Putting aside the potential obvious age and physical differences, some girls just don't want that buttoned down life. They gravitate towards the familiar, which are the types of guys they grew up with, with whom they don't feel as constricted or judged.

So by all means enjoy the girl and treat her kindly. But when it's over, you go home to your leafy suburb and the alleycat goes to wherever alleycats go.

I know married strippers. Strippera in long term relationships. How they treat relationships has to do with a lot more than just their choice of work.

I dated a girl who had an SD. It was good a week ago. Until I realized I don't like sharing my girlfriend with anyone. And even when she says she quit, she goes right back to him the moment you guys argue yet still wants to be friends with you. Won't be doing that again. If your looking to seriously date folks, don't let her be an SB

With the sharing. I don't mind hoes. I think emotional monogamy is what matters

@Estafador: One former Russian favorite, who I had a shitload of fun with, was sharing her thoughts on life and relationships one night while the sweat was drying on the sheets of the bed in a Times Square hotel room. She was explaining that she would see me OTC until she had a boyfriend, but after that she'd need to stop and, if it got serious, leave dancing.

One thing she said during that chat was this: "I could never be with someone who would be OK with me doing this."

This made perfect sense to me. What kind of twisted guy could live with that? Of course I was already married myself, which of course she know, but that was besides the point.

it best:

^

Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

:D

No matter how you spin it; it's not a real relationship.

Yes, I don't think you can have a primary relationship with a girl who has a current sugar daddy.

SJG

It's an emotionally exclusive relationship where she hoes to keep her lifestyle.

I hear you, but I still don't think that that could be a primary relationship for her.

SJG

“Emotionally bonding with an abuser is actually a strategy for survival for victims of abuse and intimidation sometimes called the “Stockholm Syndrome””

Sjg the primary relationship for a hoe is the one.shes emotionally invested in. The person she practices emotional monogamy with

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“the primary relationship for a hoe is the one.shes emotionally invested in. The person she practices emotional monogamy with”

The term “Emotional monogamy” is sometimes used as an excuse for the inability to hold onto a secure sense of the relationship in the face of adversity.

Monogamy is a different thing for each person, because human beings are designed to be more like polygamist.

Often during the power struggle of a couple’s relationship it is easy to deny the reality and quality of the relationship rather than work through difficulties.

It is when you deny your truth and pretend to be happy being in one state of denial that you damage yourself and compromise the quality and integrity of your relationships and your life.

Jumbo shrimp; family business; military intelligence; emotionally exclusive.

The "most simp shit you've ever done for a stripper hoe" could be dating a stripper that has a sugar daddy.

But, actually, at the top of the list of simp shit you've done is fabricate a long line of horseshit about dating a stripper with a sugar daddy to feed your need for drama and attention.

Cjkent have you ever had a relationship?

CIM you're a delusional bitch thinking others can't possibly have different experiences from you.

Iceefag you’re a delusional moron, you think you’re so special, but in reality you ain’t shit, just a liar, very common.

Im not lying unlike you

^ sure you are it’s as obvious as you are.

Imagine an unemployed person having so much experience with women. I can't, because it's a lie.

I'm not unemployed

And have you seen homeless guys ? They get all the homeless pussy and ass from guys in wheelchair

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

Like Demosthenes (384 – 12 October 322 BC) Greek statesman and orator of ancient Athens. said:

“We have courtesans for the sake of pleasure, Concubines for the daily health of our bodies, And wives to bear us lawful offspring and be the faithful guardians of our homes"

In today’s world we have:

1. High end escorts, models, centerfolds, pornstars, actresses/movie starlets, Strippers ITC OTC; etc etc etc that provide PSE/GFE for the sake of pleasure.

2. Mistresses, Concubines, Paramours, Sugar Babies etc etc etc for the daily health of our bodies.

3. Girlfriends, Wives and trophy wives to bear us lawful offspring and to be the faithful guardians of our home.

4. Realistic Sex Dolls/Gynoids/Fembots, Internet Porn and Instagram/Onlyfans “Models”, for kicks-and-giggles”

Just pick the “role” YOU, your “new girl” and her “sugar daddy” and of course your “mythical Ex” and her “half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer biker” boyfriend are playing.

Jus don’t forget to be careful out there…

@icee, "And have you seen homeless guys ? They get all the homeless pussy and ass from guys in wheelchair"

I read a story from an LA bouncer who finds two homeless guys buttfucking. When he tells them to put on their clothes and get lost, they ask him if they can at least finish first.

I've seen stuff.

I was drinking in the park and homeless guys were running a train on a meth whore in the bathroom.

There was a guy without arms or legs and he was screaming while another guy fucked him. This was on the las vegas strip lmfao

I saw a woman and 2 guys having a 3some in some bushes.

Icey, getting back your stripper with the sugar daddy. So if a guy wants to have a relationship with a much younger woman, he might make her is mistress. And mistresses are getting maintenance money. And the relationship could go on for as long as they both live. Typically the mistress is younger than the guy who is keeping her, but she is not necessarily that young. And usually she is an attractive woman, but she is not a drug addict or someone who is profligate with her money.

Now it seems that more in the US, guys like to call their younger women Sugar Baby. That has a very different connotation. She is very young and quite irresponsible. The guy wants it like that because he does not want that much of a relationship with her.

So that is what this guy wants. So I say that he is using the girl, but she is using him too, and that is what he wants.

I also think that if you are seeing her, then she is using you, its just in a different way.

It will never be a primary relationship that you have with her, because she is still depending on money from the sugar daddy.

In a primary relationship women always want to see what they consider to be progress. And this means money. They want career plans and material acquisition.

They want to see this. If they do not see it, then they will see the relationship as a desperate crashing situation. And I am not talking about pros, I am talking about the ones who really are the most ruthless, the civvies.

So this is an unfair world. Many guys really are not given any career prospects. It is just this way.

And it is very hard to change the relations between men and women in our capitalist society.

Now I am building an organization which will change this, but this is the results of decades on intense research and study. This type of thing would be completely out of the reach of most people.

SJG

SJG said "Now I am building an organization which will change this..."

No, you're really not. You're telling guys they're having fun wrong on a strip club website during library hours.

CMI, longest surviving Brainectomy Patient.

SJG

Sjg. She uses her sugar daddy to fund her lifestyle. She's with me because we're attracted to each other and have things in common.

Not every relationship is p4p. Which is what you're projecting

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“She sees him in his role and me in mine.

I don't really like it.”

So she sees him as a provider/mark/Sugar Daddy and you as a Pathetic Loser Boyfriend, a male she owns (possessive af) used specifically for “fun” when her Sugar Daddy is not giving her enough attention?

Are these the “roles” you are talking about?

And for some reason you really don’t like it?

You also wrote:

“It’s hard sometimes. I crave monogamy but I can't be monogamous with someone who isn't monogamous with me.”

So you are seeing this “new, possessive af, violent girl” exclusively because otherwise she is going to attack your other girls?

Where is your mythical Ex, is she part of this drama and is she going to be assaulted by your new girl or…

You mythical Ex is having her own honeymoon/drama with her half Boricua/Greek, pusher/drug dealer boyfriend?

So many unanswered questions…

We are going towards polygamy/harems/open relationshits, everyone having multiple partners. women can and do have multiple men for multiple purposes. They have sugar daddies to fund their lifestyle. Fuckboys/chads to dick them down. Multiple baby daddies with the state or a beta male as a sponsor. This is whats happening.

Cjkunt go troll elsewhere

Chessmaster that's pretty much it. Its really started up since the pandemic. It wasn't this bad before. But its getting normalized.

These stupid butches imitate yhe lyrics of songs by married women...

@icey:” There was a guy without arms or legs and he was screaming while another guy fucked him” …that is dark AF! Wow!

@drew and @icee, no offense (in this post at least, lol) but that's yet another reason I loathe all things Vegas.

It is dark AF, but the thing to keep in mind about the experiences and "things seen" posted by Icey is that there's always the very high likelihood that they never actually happened.

So, there's that.

@tetra: I’m right there with you, I wasn’t a fan of Las Vegas even before I found out about the armless-legless-atrocity. Of course all I really know about it is the strip part.

@drew, I've never had a horrible Vegas experience. As a matter of fact, I've had a little fun there. A family vacation, a friend's bachelor party slash 30th birthday. A couple low key strip clubs. Some good Cirque de Soleil shows and trips to surrounding areas. Some un-noteworthy $25 hands of blackjack and spins of the roulette wheel. A few damn good meals, of course. And it was in McCarron airport that I got a call for a job offer that would change my life.

But you ever see Casino? The Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci, Sharon Stone movie? De Niro says it best, that "all the bright lights and comp trips," are set up in order to take your money. Much like New York City, another place I hate, you can feel the hustle radiating off the water at the Venetian or the columns at Caesar's.

Like Icee's stories, the city seems to bring out the worst in humanity. People come from all over the world to be obnoxious shitheads. Because woo-hoo! Vegas!

Locals implicitly know, and unless their business takes them to Las Vegas Boulevard, they avoid the strip.

This happened behind some of those barricades on the strip. The guys had an argument. Apparently a group of men take care of him. In exchange they get his panhandling money and buy alcohol and get to have sex with him.

Once I saw a girl go off with a drug dealer while her boyfriend waited. Probably fucked him for drugs.

Vegas feels like a wasteland a lot of times.

I've hit on drunk girls and fucked them in dark areas or garages on the strip.

I’ve been to Vegas many times and like any big city tourist area there’s lowlifes like Iceefag all over, but nothing makes you get down in the gutter with the riff raff, I’ve never had a bad visit, but of course I don’t mix with the lowest life forms like our resident pimp

Fucking drunk girls in public in Vegas is fun lulz

I go to Vegas to gamble and play golf. The people who love there are vermin.

Icey wrote:

"Sjg. She uses her sugar daddy to fund her lifestyle. She's with me because we're attracted to each other and have things in common.

Not every relationship is p4p. Which is what you're projecting 0 "

Icey, she is still using you, just in a different way. She is not actually with you sink or swim.

Women attraction almost always has a financial screen associated with it.

SJG

We've been friends before having a relationship. She has never used me. Shes proven herself to me a lot.

Skibum nevada has been known as the Mississippi of the west for a reason

Icey, if she was really standing with you she would cut off the sugar daddy and retire from all such affairs.

She has some kind of a like for you, but it is not the stuff that primary relationships are made of.

SJG

Primary relationships aren't based on money

Icey, women are not like guys looking at Playboy Centerfolds.

Their attraction is inseparable from considerations about money, material, and social advantage.

And yes the way our world distributes such things is totally unfair.

But in the vast majority of situations you will not be able to change how women think.

SJG

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“Once I saw a girl go off with a drug dealer while her boyfriend waited. Probably fucked him for drugs”

We’re you looking in a mirror? Was the girl your mythical Ex? Was the drug dealer half Boricua/Greek? What kind of drugs? What were you waiting for?

Sjg if that were true poor people would never reproduce.

Relationships are partnerships. Not everything in life is p4p

With women the key is how you make them feel. She can go hoe for money but she'll come back to the one she has a bond with.

Icey, women rarely say what they really think, and especially not to men.

Women mature earlier than men do, because the things which shape their lives come onto them earlier.

Women make careful choices about who they 'bond' with. They aren't like jr high school boys looking at a Playboy Centerfold.

SJG

Emotional bonding isn't based on logic iys based on how you make each other feel.

How women feel has a lot to do with the financial stability that they see on the horizon.

When they talk about how they feel, they are just using that to justify a ruthless logic.

SJG

Maybe that was your experience. But not everyone s. You're too stuck thinking everything is p4p

If she was really with you, her lifestyle would be scaled down to what you and she doing non-sex work, could afford.

SJG

You claim sex workers are normal women and uts just a job. Now you're saying she's different and not normal based 9n being a hoe.

Sex workes are ordinary women.

And your girl is using you because she sees that she can.

SJG

Youre saying she can't put me first coz she's a hoe. That her tricks take precedence. Then say they're like civvies. You can't have it both ways.

She's not using me.

She confides in me. Has an emotional bond.

^ vonce

Some of you sound like you've never been loved

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“I've hit on drunk girls and fucked them in dark areas or garages on the strip.”

“Fucking drunk girls in public in Vegas is fun lulz”

You do realize that having sex with someone who, due to alcohol or something else is unable to resist or consent to a sexual action of another person is not consensual sex it is more like rape…

Drunk sex is normal. Go troll elsewhere cjkunt

Icey, your girl is playing you. Not for money. But consider, could she do this with someone else besides you?

SJG

“Under the law, if a person's ability to resist or consent to sexual acts is substantially impaired because of a mental or physical condition, and the other person is aware that this impairment affects their ability to resist or consent, then they can be charged for rape if they commit sex acts with the impaired party.

This law covers individuals who know of the other person’s incapacitation but still commit sexual acts…”

Fucking drunk girls in public in Vegas is fun lulz<<

What we have learned from this thread, Iceefag, our resident amoral pimp, is actually, a self admitted rapist.

Sjg anyone can hypothetically cheat. Saying that doesn't mean much. If you really believe sex workers are regular women you should believe in trusting them.

And

Meeting a drunk girl at a club bar party or drinking with a girl and having sex is normal. It's a lot more normal than paying hookers.

The drunk girl wants to fuck me a lot more than the hooker you pay wants to fuck you lulz

^ Rapist

Now you're offended by consensual sex 🤡 trick 🤡🤡🥞

A person's ability to resist or consent to sexual acts is substantially impaired because of drugs and/or alcohol.

Individuals who know of the other person’s incapacitation, (drunkenness or being under the influence of drugs), to resist or consent but still commit sexual acts are technically rapping the drunk or drugged person, typically a girl…

Then I guess anyone who ever hooked up at a club or party must be a rapist. The only consensual sex is p4p right? There was an incel talking like that in here before

Inside the club, all interaction is transactional. I am there to make money and I make it very clear that I'm working and there won't be any lunches or dates. This is business, I am very discreet and I prefer married clients. I don't want to be in love, but I do want respect and to be paid well for my discretion and my time. I will give 100% if I am getting 100%

Iceefag is unquestionably a rapist, makes posts about having sex with drunk girls, makes posts about smacking women around, makes posts about running a train on women, and those are just a partial list of Iceefags greatest hits. Pimpy Phat Boi is a Rapist and a misogynist, in addition to being an anti-semetic bigot and pure trash.

20fag you keep saying I'm a woman.... make your mind up.

And yeah how dare I say I've had sex with drunk girls or sex I didn't pay for.

^ Rapist

How so?

^ Rapist

I'm flattered ghat a millionaire businessman spends his days trolling me for not having to pay for sex 🤡

^Rapist & vonce

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“I guess anyone who ever hooked up at a club or party must be a rapist.”

Drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) is any act of sexual assault that occurs while a victim is under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

This can involve a perpetrator giving a victim drugs and/or alcohol with the intention to assault the person or

A perpetrator taking advantage of an already intoxicated victim.

YOU have told tuscl that YOU HAVE done both, giving girls drugs and alcohol and/or taken advantage of already drunk girls, in both cases the victims were unable to resist or consent to YOUR sexual abuse.

To be clear: having been under the influence of drugs or alcohol during an assault does not mean that the girl was not a victim of a crime.

A person who is intoxicated and does not give consent to participate in sexual activity is a victim of sexual assault.

Troll elsewhere. Calling consensual sex while drinking rape 🤡

A person who is intoxicated and does not give consent to participate in sexual activity is a victim of sexual assault.

I have consensual sex. Go troll elsewhere

Ironically, I also don't believe that Icey has committed rape based on the stories he has told here. Because that belief hinges on any of those stories being true, which I don't believe.

Therfore... no rape (at least not connected to any of the tall tales told here).

That said, as part of constructing his online character he has glorified and advocated for physical and emotional abuse, drug addiction, and manipulation of women. While that's not a crime, one has to wonder about the sort of person at the keyboard who decides to construct a false persona and have it be a thoroughly trash human who only thrives on turmoil.

But... on the bright side... probably not a rapist.

Nah Ish he’s a vonce and a wanna be rapist, probably doesn’t have the balls to actually be close to a women so ima stick with Rapist & vonce

Says the trick who pretends to be as PC as possible. Like a rickdugan who pretends to care about hoes.

It's crazy af watching tricks attack me for having consensual free sex 🤡

^ I don't believe that happens either.

^^Iceefag always the victim, we don’t fall for it, all the shit you started eventually comes back on you it’s called Karma, bitch Rapist & vonce

Icey I'm not saying your girl is cheating on you, or that there is any reason not to trust her. I am saying that she is not really with you because she still believes that she has to keep the Sugar Daddy in play. She is using the Sugar Daddy, but that is what he wants.

But she is also using you, she can keep you in tow, while she is still holding back from letting a primary relationship develop.

Think about it, would another guy let her do things this way?

SJG

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Sjg you keep saying hoes adw just normal women. Her sugar daddy is just a trick. I got her off script

The women who do sex work are ordinary women. Her sugar daddy is someone she looks to for financial support.

In setting up primary relationships financial support and stability are almost always a big concern for women.

The script is something strip club dancers have learned to use so they can throw themselves at one guy after another. Often they will get rejected, and usually it is just because the guy wants to conserve funds. But the women take this personally. So they build this false theatrical persona. You do want to get her off of that script as soon as possible.

But usually a woman will not want to get involved with you unless she sees you as a source of financial stability. If you are such, she will lock down on you.

So if she is not demanding this, then she is doing something else. This girl seems to be getting something else from you, and so she keeps you in tow. But it is not the stuff of a primary relationship.

Mostly I think she sees you as someone she can keep wrapped around her fingers without cutting off sugar daddies.

Sorry, but women are merciless in their calculations, and there is no difference between civvies and pros.

SJG

You mean she knows i accept her for being a hoe.

Its like youre saying that men who are used for money are in a normal relationship and men who theyre with because of attraction and normal things are tge ones being used.

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

FYI

Typically girls in situations where they were unable to give consent but were afraid of being hurt they explain:

“I told him I didn’t want to do that, and then he did it anyway.

Since he was already assaulting me I didn’t want to piss him off and get worse.”

I can’t remember exactly what you wrote when you said somethings like; “Is Icee going to have to slap or choke a bitch?“

If the girl is drunk to the point where she can’t make an informed decision and give consent then YOU should absolutely know that taking advantage of her and having sex with her is technically/legally rape.

Troll someone else cjkunt

Interesting topic but I struggle with the gist of it. Of course the honey will be less materialistic with the boy toy because she's getting her material needs met by the SD.

An interesting question is which dude would she choose if she could only have one..boy toy or sugar daddy.

@ceoaticeysangelsllc

You wrote and I quote:

“Troll someone else”

I hope you are starting to get it…

“Why? Am I starting to make sense?”

~ Tyrion Lannister

“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”

~ Friedrich Nietzsche

She had sugar daddies give her ultimatum before and she'd dump then.

I kinda have her one and we agreed on emotional monogamy and just us . With him being her work

Icey she gets you to look at this emotional monogamy and this closeness she feels, so that you are not looking at the simple fact that she has decided not to have a primary relationship with you.

I am sorry.

The economic restructuring in this country, starting in 1980, as left many with no real chance of ever having anything like a career, and instead having only a series of jobs and fairly frivolous sources of income.

Some do set something up which is right for themselves, but this is not all or even anything close to a minority. And then some go into the arts, but it is usually not that easy to get much of a reliable income until quite some time.

This is because of the blockheaded electorate which will not allow our economic system to be changed, and because of the financializers who ride on the backs of the working poor.

SJG

You're saying that her p4p arrangement with her sugar daddy is her real relationship and not the normal one she has with me.

You have it backwards

I would say that she does not have a primary relationship. You would be the one, not the sugar daddy. But as you are depicting it, it seems that she has decided not to have a primary relationship with you. So she keeps you around with just a lot of talk.

I am sorry, but so much of our world revolves around money and noting else.

The high point in purchasing power for the working man was sometime between 1969 and 1972. Downhill ever since.

And as James Carville says, "They're ain't no line of women wanting to marry guys who can't pay the bills."

On this board I have consistently said that we need to somehow get beyond this marriage/prostitution dichotomy. It is not that it had ever served us well, but in this age of advanced industrial and information technology it certainly does not.

SJG

We have a normal relationship Hoeing is her work

IMHO, if that normal relationship is a primary relationship the girl will want to see it progressing, and so she will only start that primary relationship if she intends to terminate all hoeing immediately and to cover up any record of such.

As she has not done this, it is not a primary relationship for her. And she is doing it with you, as has been reported on with stripper BF's, because she feels she can keep you on the line while still hoeing, and because to get her to stop hoeing there would have to be some minimum requirements.

Maybe there are others who have views on this?

I am sorry but this world is not fair and many come of age with a lack of social status which causes problems.

For most women, manipulating men in one way or another is their life.

SJG

You keep saying hoes are normal women and you can have a normal relationship with her. You say that you have a normal relationship when it's p4p. But then claim it's not real when you don't pay unless she stops being a sex worker.

There's no reason for her to stop hoeing. Her pussy is very profitable.

But there is also no reason for her to stop hoeing until she finds a primary relationship.

It looks to me like she has decided that you are not going to be that for her. I am sorry.

You can have a relationship with a women who does sex work, but remember that for her, relationships tend always to involve money. It is just more overt than it is with civvies. Asking her for free sex is presumptuous.

I do not have to do this myself because all such women get groomed and inducted into The Organization. They will have a primary relationship with that, but not with me. And they will always be extremely well taken care of, though they will know that they can't try to get money or other considerations for sex. And we don't try to regulate what they do with outside people. We don't push them to retire, but most, once they see first hand how it all works, they will retire from sex work.

SJG

Hypothetical: What happens when the women in your organization get tired of servicing all the men, ban together, take over from the misogynist patriarchy, and turn it into a lesbian co-op?

SJG sex workers have normal relationships outside of work. If you're paying her you're just a customer.

When a woman likes you. She has sex with you because she wants to. Not because you pay for it.

The organization sounds like a prostitution ring.

A pay for play relationship is no better or worse than having a relationship with a woman who fucks other people for money. Neither is a relationship.

That would be the end of the Organization. Maybe try to start all over from scratch.

It is unlikely though. There will be reasons that they can see that it is their interest to support The Organization and to make it work.

And no one gets to a rank such that they have a say in the governance until they have been in at least 10 years and are of the age of 50 for men and the age of 40 for women.

There is a long formation period. And there are legally binding Golden Parachutes for the women if they should decide that they want out. And the women do have a lot of say in how things go, and total veto power over who gets in.

SJG

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skibum, you can be keeping a mistress, shared keeping, who fucks other people. Its just what ever the parties want.

SJG

Skibum. It's just a I job. It's no different from dating a porn star.

But Icey, I think the point is that she seems to have decided that she does not want to have primary relationship with you.

She is not porn star. She is someone who feels that she needs the security of the sugar daddy.

SJG

X- Live At The Whisky A Go Go youtube.com

He's her trick. Her source of income

A porn star is a sex worker as well. It's the same premise.

You keep saying you can't have a relationship with sex wworkers. That she either has to quit or you can stay a customer

A hoes primary relationship isn't with her tricks. You act like it is .

Lol ok. She's not a hooker....she's a prostitute. Tell me all about all the porn stars you dated. I will believe it just as much as I believe anything else you say.

I've dated 2 porn stars lulz

^^^ no you didn't

You got a PHD IN D-U-M-B

I believe he dated 2 gay male porn stars.

A girl who has a sugar daddy is not the same as a hooker, or the same as a girl who is a porn star.

The SD set up is more encompassing that these others. She is using the Sugar Daddy as a financial lifeboat.

SJG

Of course she's a hooker. He pays her bills and gives her money in exchange for sex. Sugar baby is a euphemism.

And sugar daddy is a euphemism for trick.

Not really so. Sugar daddy is like 70% of a guy who is keeping her as a mistress. It is a more engaging relationship than what a hooker has with a trick, or what a porno star his with her co-stars.

And this relationship with him is because she wants financial security and to be getting on in the world.

SJG

He's a trick.

But in your mind being a trick is normal while a real relationship is deviant

Icey, what you have with her is not a primary relationship. She is using you and the sugar daddy, its just in different ways.

SJG

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It's a normal mutual relationship. It's not always about using people or a power struggle

But she is not really with you, not sink or swim. She is manipulating you into accepting that she is not really with you and into thinking that is okay.

SJG

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We're honest with each other. I don't mind her hoeing. What you're describing is how it is with tricks. They're manipulated into thinking p4p is real

Qnd it's like you're saying p4p is the only normal relationship

A woman will see a man as a walking wallet if that's how he presents himself and or 6hats all he has to offer.

That's not true. Youre ignoring the cultural and social implications of each scenario.

you have other b!tches that she is fighting is silly she needs to realize her worth hopefully she is being taken care of and not paying your bills like a loser . having to fight other girls over your attention while you could be be getting worthswhile nice trips and gifts in your romantic relationship too

Her sugar daddy pays all her bills and I benefit from him too lulz he paid for a lot of stuff for my car. Bills. Things like that. But she's just the jealous type.

So Icey, it does sound like you are her pimp.

SJG

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Please Iceefag what does she call herself Mi Mano Derecha

She does it by choice. When a stripper hoe catches feelings she wants to do things for you.

It's not all fun and games. Like today is his bday and I wanted to spend time with her. She gave lame excuses about being hungover and having to baby sit. Okay she's hungover but she's babysitting his bitch ass lol

And her bday is next week and he's throwing her a party on a yacht and I'm not even invited.

All too obviously Icee is a bad parody of the real thing. But it does make one think about what a guy must actually have to tell himself to rationalize being OK with a bunch of strange cocks being shoved into his SO. At the very least it must dramatically alter how intimacy and sexual pleasure work in the relationship when her pussy is every other guy's playground. I just can't easily imagine it and I am glad for that.

Rickdugan. Focus on how you try to rationalize paying women to fuck and thinking you're special coz a hoe takes your money 🤡

Your whole persona on here is a happily married man who has to coerce desperate hookers into fucking him 🤡🤡🤡😭😭🤣🤣😂😂

Pimp or Ponce?

In some places a working girl will have a Pimp.

But I read a book about Paris decades ago. They said that instead of a Pimp the girl would have a Ponce.

Whereas the Pimp is a foot soldier for organized crime. The Ponce they explained is an effeminate man, sometimes an art student. The girl supports the Ponce, who usually lives with her. And if she gets arrested he goes to the jail to bail her out.

Ponce is British slang for one who procures women.

Ponce en.wikipedia.org

merriam-webster.com

This is probably the most telling of the difference between a Ponce and a Pimp. The Pimp is a manager, whereas the Ponce works for the girl.

wikidiff.com

SJG

I don't think there are many paces around.

Real life scenarios don't succumb to definitions. Situations are complicated.

You'd be surprised at how many women will sell pussu for a man

The guy that works for the girl, facilitates hoeing, he is a ponce, not a pimp.

SJG

There aren't many ponces . Ive never seen a hoe with one

Sometimes the environment is not that dangerous, so she doesn't need a pimp, she just needs a ponce.

SJG

Have you ever known a hoe with a ponce?

I believe that I have.

If the girls works for the man, then he is a pimp.

If the man works for the girl then he is a ponce.

They talk about it.

guerrillagirls.com

It depends on local LE and culture. In the more dangerous environments when LE is of no protection, the girl will need a pimp for safety. But in safer venues a ponce will be better for her.

SJG

I've never seen a girl with a ponce

Well if the guy is being supported by her from her sex work, then he is her ponce.

The pimp on the other hand is organized crime and they provide safety, but they control that market territory. Others can't come in without dealing with them. Pimp is a manager.

SJG

Icey, you say that your girl says that seeing her SD is "work".

Well with women everything pertaining to intimate relationships is "work".

I am sorry.

SJG

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You say you don't treat hookers like h9okers now you say every woman is a hooker

Not so. Women like guys to take care of them, and they like money.

SJG

How do you explain so many women with men who struggle financially?

Relationships aren't p4p arrangements

Most women if they have a choice will go for the guy who is doing well and stable financially. And especially this is true with a girl who looks good enough to have a sugar daddy and to dance in strip clubs.

Beyond that, lots of women do end up with guys who are struggling.

And most strippers seem to have BF's who are really really struggling. Their relationships are challenged because guys look down on them and see them as "hookers". And the guys are usually people who have given up and so you hear lots of stories of alcohol and marijuana.

SJG

The "looser" BF is not what they want, but it is how it often ends up.

SJG

You're calling most men in the world lovers then.

And of course relationships aren't about money. She may fuck you for money but then goes to the man she has feelings for. You call him a loser but she chooses him over you and only tolerates you for $

I suspect Icee has more serious mental problems than even most of of us on here.

Pity or pray form him, depending on your personal philosophy.

Icee she has “feelings” cuz the guy is a rarity who is willing to commit to her despite her fucking or stripping. But she is not choosing him over you or one over the other she’s choosing both. She tolerates one guy for money, tolerates the ofher guy cuz she can lean on him. Most women in relationships are settling for the best they can get. With certain career paths their options become even more limited so they have to settle even more. Of course she would love someone willing to sacrifice so much that he stays committed to her despite her fucking other men. That kind of love is akin to a love one has for a dog or horse or slave and is completely different to loving someone as an equal or loving someone they deem superior. In all actuality the escorts and strippers likely have more respect for their clients than for their SO who commits to them whilst knowing about their work. Now if there is a guy shes fucking for free, whos not her SO, that guy she actually likes. But the SO is just someone she’s using, not for monetary reasons but just so she has someone there for her and maybe as a babysitter.

There is no way a guy with options is going to be in a relationship with an escort or stripper. They might fuck a stripper or escort but being a SO is different. Keep in mind those surveys talking about how women decrease their standards for relationships while they raise them for flings. Whereas men raise the standards for relationships, lower them for flings. Its why you see so many nasty guys in relationships with hot women. A relationship is not about physical attraction its much more.

It's a job. If you have hang ups about a girl stripping that's on you.

Dougster you come on here whining how you can't get a hooker to lower her price for you. Coz you want her so bad. But then look down on men she has a normal relationship with. It's a defense mechanism. If she were so bad you wouldn't be willing to pay so much. This is is common theme on tuscl.

Dave Anderson. You support incel views on women...

Icey its not like its just stripping. Even the lapdsnce is intimate.

Icey paying even $2000 for sex with a girl doesnt mean youd marry her or date her. Why do you think these nba players millionaires dont marry these women. Do you think paying $1000 for a girl means you’d want to date or marry her?

It being a job means nothing. Only a certain type of guy will have a “normal relationship” with a stripper or escort. And those guys are loved the way dogs or horses are. Those are guys they settle for not guys they love

That's not true. In my experience strippers really fall for you hard when they love you.

You're making it about yourself and your insecurities

Icey women try to marry upwards. They talk about their feelings, but a guy learns early on that their feelings are just a way of covering up for how mercenary they can be. Most women are not Harvard trained Brain Surgeons. Most still look to their vaginas to earn their sustenance.

The rules for prostitution are just a radicalization of the rules for marriage.

lifeclub.org

Just as our economic structure has forced many women into Stripping and into the illicit world of Sex Work, it has also forced many men into the Junk Job and Shit Job sector, and into the illcit world of Black Marketeering.

I do not call these guys losers, but it is questionable whether in their present circumstances they could be considered marriageable. They are not working class, they are the Lumpen Proletariat.

We live in a society which is very unfair. But the only way we can fight it is political activism and by building bohemian counter cultures. Marx said that Lupens lack political consciousness and revolutionary potential, but 100 years later Franz Fanon said that Lumpens can have political consciousness and can be very revolutionary. Marx was talking about alcoholics, drifters, and those only occasionally employed. Fanon though was talking about those ejected from the bourgeoises by family or clan, often living in shanties outside of cities and often being pimps, prostitutes, drug dealers, and petti criminals.

SJG

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Try dating. Not p4p just dating and you'll see what it's like.