People Don't Want To Work Anymore

It's a real problem. I pay all of my direct employees enough that it's not a direct problem for me. A lot of the contractors I use are having trouble getting people to work.

I don't blame people opting for benefits, it's human nature similar to folks using any tax loopholes available - I blame the politicians incentivizing this in what seems to be a self-serving political move/strategy vs a sound economic one

I echo all of Sinclair's experiences except the clubs (haven't been to any yet).

One of the best examples I can think of is one of my friends who owns a restaurant. When the state forced the restaurants to down in March 2020, all his employees were eligible for unemployment. 80% of his employees were part-time college kids, but they were eligible. Here we are, over a year later, most of those part-time college kids never even returned to the state because they did their classes remotely for the 2020-2021 school year, and they are STILL collecting unemployment while sitting in their parents home doing nothing. I can't blame a college kid for duping the system, but it puts people like my friend in a tight spot when they FINALLY can have customers come in and now they don't have enough staff to accommodate them.

Think it's bad? I see some big box grocery stores more bare now than in the middle of the pandemic. I can't figure out if it's because of supply issues, or is it manpower issues, not enough workers to order products and stock the shelves? Maybe a combination of both. I will say, stuff I had some trouble finding during the pandemic (household staples) I am starting to stock up on again. For example, a certain shampoo I like, or deodorant in a certain scent, my favorite toothpaste.

Yea its been on the news locally, restuarants are offering a hiring bonus cause they can't staff. An employment agency said they have thousands of jobs but only 119 people to fill them. I have an account on indeed and literally getting 10-15 requests to apply every few days. It's definitely profitable to be on unemployment recently, especially since if you choice not to pay your rent/mortgage or bills they get paid for you

Quit? I thought someone had to be laid off or fired to qualify for unemployment. I didn't know someone could just "quit" and get on unemployment.

A large group of the younger generation have collectively decided to calculate their odds of really putting in the effort towards a rise to mediocrity, or accept a little less than mediocre and you’re not that far off from each other. Anyway, why fight for the extra dough when all you have to do is hang out and collect easy money. If my phone/utilities/housing are taken care of the unemployed can live a decent care free life. Although that way of thinking is short sighted, the youth will no doubt take every opportunity for a vacation, even if the government aid is temporary.

Lone_Wolf in many places people were allowed to collect unemployment if they quit their job out of fear of catching covid at work. Suddenly anyone who wanted to quit their job blamed it on being afraid they would catch covid at work.

I can't say I really blame people for not wanting to work at jobs that pay shit, and treat them like shit. As for minimum wage restaurants, not only are the paid shit, and the employer often treats them like shit, but the customers also treat them like shit.

A lot of businesses are working with skeleton crews to maximize profits. They're not recalling older and long time employees and instead want new hires working part time and at lower wages.

They need to start offering livable wages.

^^^I dump a load in your basement!!!

Not meant for you heaving. Meant for Icee

So I went out to eat some place earlier today. The restroom was out of order, but they had a portable restroom trailer in the parking lot with an AC unit attached. I thought it was interesting they went through the effort to get that, and I assume it’s tougher for plumbers to come out quickly?

If crazyjoe is out destroying shitters, there will be quite the dilemma 😅

Nicespice the trick to getting a plumber to show up quickly is the same trick as getting an in demand stripper to give you a private dance right away instead of waiting in line: offer more money than the normal rate.

If you are willing to pay an arm and a leg they will drop what they are doing and rush over, but that just makes it an even longer wait for people who are paying the normal rate. This is true for plumbers just like it is for strippers (and most other in demand professions).

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^ Yes I can believe that. The part that stood out to me is that renting/buying a whole trailer would be what’s the cheaper opportunity cost at the moment.

But that particular place I believe is better-than-average with their operations. They were advertising for servers, but it seemed like they had their staff running the place well. Seems like as time goes on, that type of thing will stand out more.

I assume they couldn't operate if they didn't have a working bathroom thus ...

God dammit Joe! You did it again! Never fear Nice n Spice! I am on my way, drivin fast and hard 🚛🚚⛟ i gpt da whole crew dis time! When we done we i gonna get spme $5 lapperz!

@ heavin... good idea, usually Joe keeps me busy and Rollin in da shit! 😂🤣😂

^Hahaha! I beat Mackie to it! Hehehe... what do you have to say now MackTruck! Now get back to work! 😂

I terminated my mediocre and non-essential employees as soon as congress passed the law that I would have to pay them if they wanted to stay at home. It's easier to take the hit on my UBI, instead of payroll.

In my state (NV), workers are making the equivalent of 40 hours of work at $16.50 an hour. How much would you want to get paid per hour to give that up?

Sorry, I meant workers who are filing for unemployment instead of working.

I often run through a drive thru to get coffee for the road in the morning and I've definitely seen a huge slow down in service and lots of rotating employees. I haven't asked why but it appears that when they hire someone the new employee is often gone after a couple days and there's another new one which may or may not be there the next day. Regarding the slow service, if there's more than 5 or 6 cars in line at the BK close to home I know the long wait isn't worth my time so I pass and hit another BK or McD down the road to grab some coffee. Lot's of drive thrus have lines around the building spilling out in to the street. It's crazy.

Lots of union jobs in Vegas pay more. Casinos are trying to bust the union by not recalling workers and instead taking on new part time hires at lower wages.

Those not earning much get paid a lot less on ui even with the boost. Even at $20 an hour someone doesn't get the maximum of $460 or so.

I can’t blame people not wanting to work when they can get such great benefits from the feds and the state. If it wasn’t for the fact I was retired before the covid shit I’d be tempted with taking a layoff and getting unemployment.

overall the whole covid shit show was poorly handled by the government and medical officials. basically a power grab. imo.

The problem is businesses not offering livable wages

There is no longer any reason or excuse for anyone to not return to the workplace, either vaccinated or wearing a mask.

If you refuse to take the vaccine or wear a mask, you can sit at home without pay.

If you refuse to have your children vaccinated or wear masks, you can sit at home to babysit them through virtual learning while not getting paid.

The availability of vaccines, masks, and sanitizer- along with our date on how to properly distance and ventilate to reduce transmission- have essentially removed all obstacles to returning to what closely resembles status quo ante. It is time to stop these destructive and harmful enhanced unemployment benefits. Period. Full stop.

Yeah this is a real problem. I mean I hope some people see the value of atleast getting in somewhere and getting experience. I wouldn't want to have to explain a 2 year job gap on my resume. WTF were you doing?

Unemployment benefits are earned based on your previous earnings.

You are to look for gainful employment. But are not obligated to downgrade to part time work at a fraction of your previous earnings

A consumer economy needs consumers. Not people working part time making minimum wage while the price of everything goes through the roof

^^^^gammanu, you're seemingly unaware of how few children have been eligible for the vaccine to date, or how hard it is to find reliable childcare.

^^^muddy, I don't think anyone's going to be scratching their heads over a gap in the resume after a once-in-a-century pandemic.

You are to look for gainful employment.

This requirement is waived during COVID.

Lifetime. It has been back for a month along with random interviews and job search checks

Liwet not lifetime lulz

All of these simplistic pronouncements really don’t do very much to address the problems of jobs and not working, fast food jobs were never meant to support large groups of people a typical MacDonalds has about 60 employees and generates revenues of between 1-2 million dollars do the math yourself after paying rent, insurance, food, and other sundry costs there just isn’t a possibility of generating a wage for the parties to live on, now look into businesses that actually generate jobs that cover the cost of living, takes an awful lot more revenue to pay a substantial number of employees 50k as an annual salary, so let’s get real your local donut shop or hamburger restaurant can generate income for maybe 5-9 people to make a living wage, we need more well skilled people to run the businesses that will generate dollars in this economy and we need less lawyers and brokers siphoning dollars off these businesses So it might feel good to bash free money, how’s about getting our folks a proper education so these jobs of the future stay here in this country.

If a business can't support sustainable development. Can't afford to exist without paying slave wages. Then that business shouldn't be allowed to pay said slave wages just so some greedy mother fucker can get rich

^ I don’t think fast food restaurants are all a bunch of greedy mother fuckers, you have confused what should be short time part time jobs for young people going to some other training with exploitation and that’s unfair son, there will always be a need for these types of businesses but if you’re satisfied with the wage a burger flipper is paid that’s fine, but it’s not nor will it ever be the the best use of an entrepreneurs skills to ensure that lazy people should live in the same types of luxury that are afforded to those that work hard to get ahead I’m not against giving bread to the starving but I’m not the least bit ashamed to eat steak I earned myself

If someone is choosing unemployment over a job just for the convenience of having money without having to work, they are content with having the bare minimum amount of money to live without any real savings or disposable income. That's crazy.

What should or shouldn't be in your opinion is irrelevant. The point is that if unemployment which isn't enough to live off of pays more than a job. The problem isn't people not wanting to work. At most it may be a survival instinct where one chooses $1.50 over $1 while a bottle of water costs $2. To put it in perspective

Unemployment credits are earned based on your income. Its not a handout

^ So you seem to be saying that I or anyone who is an entrepreneur owes y’all a living, if that’s the case I’ll use my money elsewhere and there won’t be a job offer, sorry buddy no one owes anyone a living especially not based on that standard

During this pandemic I've seen a lot of people got on unemployment who weren't even working before this. That is a handout. It's not a handout to people who got on unemployment because their hours were actually cut due to the pandemic.

^ The point was work a little harder and buy your own bottle of water. Then get an education and for the same effort but 2 bottles of water and take a day off.

@Nina I’m not disagreeing with you I’m merely pointing out to @Icee I don’t owe anyone anything

I will never have a job that requires a degree in what I majored in. Education is, in general, overrated as it relates to the workforce. Too many gen eds required that have absolutely nothing to do with the degree or career. It's stupid, but that's a different conversation.

^ education comes in many forms, if you’re interested in the construction trades there are many learn while you earn programs there are many courses in Real Estate management that allow you to work and grow into a job that can pay well, problem is too many useless law degrees and mbas out there and not enough opportunities for the entitled twits that spent a fortune to get them, but there’s plenty of opportunities in the medical industry from nursing to radiology to physical therapy there lots of needs out there for stem studies even those who don’t earn a degree education is the best way to improve your life honestly

Here in FL the enhanced unemployment benefit brings the payout to the equivalent of $16 per hour. Is it any wonder that restaurants, stores and other retailers can't find staff willing to work? Around here restaurants have had to reduce hours and/or close parts of their buildings. It's getting bad now.

You're out of touch with reality if you think socio economic class is simply a matter of choice.

After years of college and a decision to change careers, the only thing I needed to take the test and sign with a broker to become a real estate agent was a 40 hour pre licensing course. I took the accelerated version. One week of schooling for a job where, with sales skills, work ethic, and good looks, the earning potential is very high. (Start up costs are rough though and it takes very thick skin).

Lots of people didn't 'want' to work before covid. All of the covid changes just made it so much more practical to survive while not working. Although I can't really blame people. If you're getting 10-15/hr equivalent from the gov for zero effort, you'd be crazy to go back to grinding away as a shitty job for 7/hr.

You're calculating the maximum benefits. The vast majority does not get those

The U.S. recently hit an all time record w.r.t. job openings in the economy with over 8-million openings, yet the Dems keep pushing benefits and continued gov intervention:

finance.yahoo.com

Part time minimum wage jobs with no benefits aren't sustainable

What happens if you put an ad in the paper to buy a specific car you want at a price you want and don't get any calls? You raise your offering price. Supply and demand. Why don't people seeking labor understand this?

Stuff like restaurants and retail have long been an (IMO) over bloated industry, that was able to sustain itself thanks to tax money redistribution, Businesses were off the hook from providing a wage its staff members could realistically live off (and therefore bother to work at) by themselves thanks to assistance from food stamps, section 8, Medicaid, etc

If these jobs were really only going to be filled by part-time teenagers, there would be a heck of a lot less options out there for consumers. Some, especially environmentalists, may consider that a good thing. Others would consider less variety not a good thing.

I don’t agree with the magic money printer doing its thing, but on the other hand, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing that the weaker places get shut down imo. It’s an industry that won’t ever go away, and the strong will survive and thrive.

I don't think Sancho gets it. This isn't about wages, it's about government-subsidized daytime TV watching. Noone who isn't already working will give up the free government pay to go out and work. In Florida, the enhanced unemployment works out to over $40,000 per year! There are no unskilled or low-skilled workers worth that amount. This is the democrat party buying votes today, and selling out the future.

By the time the bill comes due, and people realize how badly they fucked up, the democrat party will have shredded the Constitution and unlawfully created a system which grants them unlimited federal control in perpetuity.

This is not about helping the little guy. This is the iron fist in the velvet glove, and sooner or later that glove comes off.

^ not even close to 40k a year in Florida Max UI $275..+ Federal Enhancement $300. = $575 x 26 weeks (Maximum Payout) total is less than 15k I’m not a big fan of the enhancement but UI is supposed to be paid for by a wage deduction and if you want to discuss the pros and cons there’s plenty to discuss without making up shit that isn’t true

^that comment is factually falae

*false

^ No those are the facts if you really were running a business here in Florida you’d know that directly from either your accountant, or your HR department Unfortunately you just make up shit off extreme right wing talking points that have no basis in truth

I don't think some of you get it. People can't live off of extremely low wages when prices of everything are going up drastically.

No one has an obligation to slave away for businesses that refuse to pay a living wage

^ not so Icee we all get it very well, we just differ from your opinion that those of us willing to get up off our collective ass and do something about it rather than wait for someone to do something for us

As soon as unemployment ends these lazy nothings will work or starve. Simple fact is that Biden was warned that giving away money for a third time would cause people to stay out of work and inflation to explode. Being a Democrat and senile he knew better, so here we are. Trump may have been awful but democrats are beyond useless. I could employ 2-5 more people and make a lot more money, but I live in a blue area, so its personally better to make less and let these liberal losers live off unemployment until it ends and then go on welfare or to prison.

===> "^ not even close to 40k a year in Florida Max UI $275..+ Federal Enhancement $300. = $575 x 26 weeks (Maximum Payout) total is less than 15k"

25 that is not accurate. The Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC) Program also extended the weeks of compensation to September 6. To the extend that someone exhausts their traditional 26 weeks under FL law, the Feds are picking up the additional tab and continuing full payments of the traditional FL benefit plus the enhancement. By the time this is over, there will be people who will have been on enhanced unemployment (of one form or another) for well over a year.

And that $575 is tax free. Add back SS/Medicare (which is taxed at dollar one) and some nominal federal income tax (not much) and this would be the equivalent of about $32k per year. That's before we even consider the cost savings of not having to commute to a job site, maintain work clothes, buy food that can be eaten on the job site, etc., etc.

No wonder nobody wants to go back to work in the restaurants, retail stores, etc. They can make the equivalent of $16 per hour NOT working and save additional money in the process.

Yeah you get it and you take the side of the business owner using low wages and high prices to maximize profits. Says a lot about you

I was a business owner for over 50 years you know nothing about me at all, only thing I’ll add to that is my employees on average earned way more than $15 an hour(m ( last year when I sold out my top employees were earning more than 70k annually) and together we got a lot of work completed and paid for, you on the other hand remind me of many malcontents I’ve known over the years, iif you think I’m going to apologize for living well and having things that you are jealous of you are deluded , I owe you nothing and neither does anyone else.

Lest we forget Icee if there weren’t guys like me starting and running businesses you’d be working for the government and I’ll guarantee you if everyone was a government employee the standard of living here wouldn’t be so good

@ Dugan my point wasn’t that I disagreed about the handouts it was there’s enough truth out there to argue against them false facts serve no useful purpose to this debate, but fine by me ultra right wingers need their straw men they couldn’t virtue signal without making up things.

Every year we get a social security earnings report. My first reported income was 1972, prior to that I had your basic shovel snow, cut grass, clean yards, sell shit door to door starting with greetings cards, a paper route etc. I have been working for some kind of pay since I was 8; in 1965. I have earned everything I have with hard work and those unwilling to work as I have don't deserve what I have. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. People are entitled to nothing; just because they exist.

@25, I have no idea what the fuck you were trying to say - that was rather garbled. Are you drinking now? I can say that there are no straw man arguments in anything I've discussed. All I have to do is talk to people at my local convenience store, Buffalo Wild Wings and Dunkin' Donuts to know what is happening. They have all had to reduce hours and, in the case of the restaurants, shut down parts of their buildings, because they can't compete with the $16 per hour that Biden Claus is lavishing on the "unemployed."

@Icee: To 25's point about the economics of restaurants, it's not about taking sides. Most restaurant owners are not Daddy Wharbucks types. It is a business with brutally thin margins. Even the average McDonalds franchise only kicks out about $150k per year in net profit, which is why most franchise owners own multiple locations and consolidate oversight operations.

That same McD's franchise can also take as much as 25,000 employee hours to run each year, so increasing hourly rates by even $1 is a substantial hit to the bottom line. Trying to move to a "living wage" of $15 per hour would be impossible without jacking up prices, which would also come with consequences and most likely would not be completely successful. So the most likely outcome of an increase in required wages will be a lot more automation and lost jobs, which certainly doesn't help those workers.

Their financial situation is their problem. Price gouging and.paying slave wages to make that extra buck is low

I thought I was quite clear simply put there is more than enough legitimate sources of information with the majority of the evidence pointing to the fact that the enhanced benefits have made it quite a bit more difficult for smaller businesses to get workers back to work, it’s not necessary to use the bogus line of how the system is paying 40k plus to not work, that my friend is just a talking point used by demagogues , sure someone, somewhere is getting that but the vast majority of people getting benefits aren’t attaining that lofty amount Was that clear enough for you Dugan?

Much clearer this time 25.

===> "Their financial situation is their problem. Price gouging and.paying slave wages to make that extra buck is low"

Actually, the profitability of a business directly correlates to what that business can afford to pay. There are no slaves here in America son. Anyone who doesn't think that he/she is being paid enough can very readily find another job. Our incomes are tied to the skills required to do the job, plain and simple. If Suzie the takeout window girl thinks that she has the skills to earn more elsewhere, she's free to go do so.

Wage slavery is very real.

If a business refuses to pay living wages let it fail

Today's generation grew up in the "everybody gets a trophy" time and they feel entitled to right-away have the lifestyle it took their parents decades of hard work to achieve (and they feel they should have that lifestyle w/o having to work as hard as their parents)

I went to a local Cuban bakery for lunch today which I go to fairly often - for the first time I saw a sign at the register that made me LOL - the sign said:

"We are low on staff - please be patient with our employees - the ones that bothered to show up to work"

That was the exact quote on the sign - the owner's frustration was obvious - LOL

Its just pr bs. Businesses profit off of using skeleton crews. They know what they're doing.

Damn, you got us, ICEE. That need for food, clothing, and shelter are just corporate plots to make profits.

Would that we could all be talking advantage of vulnerable women like you, we'd be saints.

Profiteering off of basic goods is greed

What are we morally allowed to profiteer off of, other than emotionally damaged women?

From the looks of things, strippers are getting back to work.

The unemployment rate is only 6% as of April 2021. Restaurants, bars, movie theaters- practically all forms of entertainment are still hurting due to restrictive coronavirus policies. Your narrative that people don't won't to work isn't substantiated by the data.

^ how would one know/proof people on unemployment actually want to work? I don't see how they can proof that - it's not as if the government can do a survey of those on unemployment asking them if they rather work for the same money or less and those people would actually "be honest" and say "no I rather not work and just spend my days on the beach getting my government check"; who the f*** would answer that question honestly - they say "there's no evidence people don't wanna work" but there's probably no way to proof o/w so they just say "well there's no proof"

expecting people to be honest w.r.t. looking for work is like expecting people to come forward after they've committed a crime - it rarely happens

The unemployment rate is 6% thanks to hip hop culture and thugs 🤓

If you are too stoned to work then what else can you do but live off the government. 😎

You're projecting your prejudices onto the unemployed. Or perhaps stating what you'd do if in their position

I don’t want to work anymore

Employers are in universal agreement, nationwide, that they cannot find enough staff to satisfy demand. Regardless of what individual restrictions each state or municipality currently has, the entire supply chain is fucked by lack of staffing levels. You can't build a house, you can't remodel a pool, you can't buy a car, you can't even hardly dine in at a restaurant. These shortages do not all originate in America with the stupid government UI bonus, but you can't argue that it does not worsen the situation. More proof of unintended consequences and the problems caused by government intervention.

Girls just wanna have fun

===> "The unemployment rate is only 6% as of April 2021. Restaurants, bars, movie theaters- practically all forms of entertainment are still hurting due to restrictive coronavirus policies. Your narrative that people don't won't to work isn't substantiated by the data."

I wonder if nicki ever leaves his house. If he did, and maybe even interacted with a shop keeper or two, he might have a better handle on the reality.

I won't even get into how a much lower LFPR has paired with this unemployment fiasco.

"""The unemployment rate is only 6% as of April 2021. Restaurants, bars, movie theaters- practically all forms of entertainment are still hurting due to restrictive coronavirus policies. Your narrative that people don't won't to work isn't substantiated by the data."""

The unemployment rate is calculated by the number of people in the labor force looking for employment but cannot find employment divided by the number of people in the labor force as a whole. The labor force is defined as both people working and people looking for work. People who are content to live off benefits and not searching for work are not considered part of the labor force, thus the welfare babies are not even calculated in the unemployment rate.