Are part time dancers really strippers?

I can't say about all part timers but my ATF definitely was not a stripper the last 2 years of our relationship. She had a full time job as an EMT and only drove the 65 miles to work on the days that I was in town...usually once a month for 3 days/2 nights. Her is her last review:

"I visited the club on Tuesday July 20 and Wed July 21. I come there about once a month. I had a good time as always. I spent my days with Shadowcat, conversating, catching up and dancing. There were more than an adequate amount of girls to choose from. The atmosphere was great, most of the girls are friendly on the day shift, however there are still some that are not. I enjoyed all of my time there, even met one of Shadow's friends this trip..great guy also. They still have a buffet Wed- Fri for the guest. Happy Hour is still 4-8 everyday. They also have a 75 cent beer night right now. I am a bit annoyed that on this night beer is 75 cent but you still have to pay almost 4 dollars for a coke..bs in my opinion. I also know that there are alot of guys complaining about prices of dances..my opinion, shop around there are girls that will do them cheaper and still give you great dances. The thing is you might have to take the time to talk to more than one girl!I look forward to my next trip this month..still waiting on the dates. See you there Shawcat!!"

Rick, this comes across a bit "butt sore" at a specific girl or situation. Most of the girls that I've known who worked that infrequently were trying to transition out of dancing or had a family situation with kids that made it tough to work more. But to answer the question,those that I've known like that have still worked to make their money and provided a fun experience.

Nothing wrong with a stripper having supplemental income. How many work 8hrs 4-5x a week anyhow?? OP comes off as silly suggesting they should throw it away for the chance to be one of his Rent's Due Girls.

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===> "Rick, this comes across a bit "butt sore" at a specific girl or situation."

LOL Bubba. Not at all. If you've followed my posts at all you'd know that I'm the last guy around here who gets worked up over something a stripper says or does. Just had it rolling around in my head today and decided to post about it.

Now my past experiences do lead me to limiting my time and cash investments in Day Job Girls, but there's nothing personal in that. I just don't find DJGs to be especially entertaining.

I think Rick provides a reasonable depiction of the DJG’s. It might be difficult to get any of them to admit to feeling superior, but I see it.

They aren’t committed to stripping, so they may think they can quit at any time, and they aren’t dependent on stripping for income. They want extra cash - most (if not all) will be undeclared as taxable income.

I knew a girl who was in a legit office job - who stripped at a club in a seedy area of Orange NJ. She was fortunate, as her club was never frequented by folks from the office. She was down to earth, but she is now an older retired stripper without a guy.

Is an adjunct professor really a professor or a part time employee really an employee?

I my experience the DJG are more fun, since they aren’t pressured to sit with you to make money. They actually line hanging out and take the time to get to know you, and for me they have been the best OTC fuck buddies a customer could have asked for. I’ve never done OTC with a career stripper, only the day job girls. I guess they’re more my style because I can relate to them easier.

My experience with DJG’s has been fine. I’ve found them to be pretty down to earth, easygoing and often a lot of fun. Not 100%, of course, but I haven’t seen anything about them generally that makes for a negative experience.

Ask her other employer or someone in her family.

===> "OP comes off as silly suggesting they should throw it away for the chance to be one of his Rent's Due Girls."

You've got me all wrong Nasty. If a girl doesn't have the skills, confidence and/or simple desire to replace 4-500 of income each week with some extra shifts and/or longer shifts ITC then by all means she should keep plugging away at the convenience store, Waffle House or wherever she's working. Some girls just aren't emotionally suited to dancing full time and that's 100% fine with me. Everyone has to eat.

I simply find them to be less fun to deal with. Others should certainly feel free to disagree.

===> "It might be difficult to get any of them to admit to feeling superior, but I see it."

Yup and this is the oddest part of the whole thing IMHO. Some of these full time dancers are carrying expense loads and/or socking away the kind of money that these DJGs could never hope to achieve by spending most of their working hours in lower return jobs. Yet somehow the choice to do just leads some DJGs to view themselves as better than the girls with more variable income. Maybe it's an emotional defense mechanism to help them feel better about their choices and/or limitations, idk.

I dunno. There was one married day job dancer I came close to fucking on the side for free after she gave me some crazy high mileage nonVIP dances. She didn't care enough about being fired to follow the rules and half the reason she stripped was sexual validation.

I know Rick likes turning economic desperation into OTC. But part timers can be fun.

I can add I also have known a few part time dancers who considered themselves to actually be models supplementing their income and they invariably had GPS with shitty mileage

This is an especially odd thread in light of a pandemic and shut-downs/curfews/alcohol sale cut offs. Even in places that are committing to staying open, there is something about having a flood of dancers applying for any particular club that can affect management attitude and make one more “disposable”

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She is the few minutes she's in my lap. Since my plan ends at lap dances, that's all that matters.

One of my very best recent experiences was with a DJG who is a retirement financial planner and only dances Friday and Saturday nights because she likes it. She looks great, gets naked fast, and was so much fun that I did two rooms with her. She hasn't danced since the second wave started, but I definitely hope to see her again!

Also, do student who have good financial aid packages and/or parents count?

What about online content creators/cam girls?

Or escorts who advertise on websites as such?

The question posed is not the real question. In fact, there is no real question. Clearly, any girl who shows up at strip club and accepts money for taking off her clothes is a stripper, whether part time or full time. This post is really just Ricky Boy's way of venting when he struck out with his economic coercion OTC ploy with one of these girls.

Seems like if they take their clothes off then they must be strippers.

My atf only worked Fri and Sat nights. She left because of the pandemic but was steady almost every Friday and Saturday for around 4 years before March 2020. She loved dancing, was absolutely beautiful and the coolest dancer I had met in around 25 years of clubbing. She liked it as supplemental income but probably made as much in those two nights or more as she did the rest of the week at her regular job (which I believe was full time).

She was amazing on stage and never complained about being tired or it being slow (there were some slow nights). Hopefully she'll return in around 6 months, but who knows what will happen.

===> "I know Rick likes turning economic desperation into OTC."

This is unrelated to the topic at hand. There are plenty of full time dancers that will never engage in OTC because they save some of their money from good nights/weeks to see them through the leaner ones.

===> "This post is really just Ricky Boy's way of venting when he struck out with his economic coercion OTC ploy with one of these girls."

Doctorevil, even if I was so inclined a DJG would not even get far enough with me to be a consideration. Though of course I would never coerce anyone. Unlike you, who preyed on an a desperate immigrant at Baby Dolls to get her on her knees in a disgusting bathroom stall in the club's bathroom. Shame on you.

"This is unrelated to the topic at hand." Sure it is, Ricky Boy, sure it is.

^ Don't project your depraved thinking upon others DE. An immigrant in a men's room bathroom stall at Baby Dolls. FFS. We don't all behave like you - thank the Lord.

They seem more normal yes, but it's still women. They are all nuts on some level lets keep it real lol.

Yeah, Ricky Boy, I'm sure you wouldn't think of doing anything depraved, like preying on drunk women in financially desperate straights and coerce them into sex. At least that probably works, as opposed to your pretend important man in a suit act. But at least the girls get a laugh out of your little charade.

You're a disturbed human being DE and you just keep doubling down. Your continued focus on coercing women for sex, like that poor immigrant girl at Baby Dolls, is disturbing. I'd rather be laughed at then to force some girl down on her knees in a men's bathroom stall. Your priorities are all fucked up. Shame on you.

===> "Seems like if they take their clothes off then they must be strippers."

I hear that prevert. But I think that there's a lot more to a bonified stripper than just showing a little titty and ass. Interactions with customers, desire to hustle, etc., are all part of the job, at least for girls who need to earn enough to pay their bills. I've seen Day Job Girls sit around all night and be perfectly happy just drinking and earning enough stage tip money to go home with a little extra cash after tipouts. To me that's a tourist stripper at best.

“ . . . at least for girls who need to earn enough to pay their bills.” So again, the focus is on identifying and preying on the economically vulnerable. Talk about depravity.

^ Good Lord dude. Here I am talking about the simple hope that a girl might be motivated enough to circulate and perhaps even sit down and talk with customers and your mind once again goes automatically defaults to preying on women. Are you a registered sex offender? If not I suspect it's only a matter of time.

"Are part time dancers really strippers?"

Yes. Some of my favorite dancers were only in the club once in a while. COVID turned once in a while into fun while it lasted for most of those.

Ummm...if they are in the club and stripping it pretty much means they are strippers. Why does it matter if they are part time or full time?

If you are trying to psychologically classify them as your intended target Rick it doesnt mean

...they are anything else. Unless your codespeak for "stripper" means "someone I can impress" vs been there done that.

love me DJS and PTS (part time strippers). all good... especially the ones that enjoy the sexual validation side of stripping!

“ Here I am talking about the simple hope that a girl might be motivated enough to circulate and perhaps even sit down and talk with customers . . .” Maybe you’ve fooled yourself Ricky Boy, but you’re not fooling anyone else. I’m not the only one who understands the subtext of your post, even if you don’t.

We may have a much different view on this site.

If a girl dances one night at a strip club - folks outside of this audience might label her as a stripper. But we may look for much more before classifying a girl as a stripper. I think it makes sense, as we are more involved in many aspects of dealing with strippers both itc and otc.

===> "Maybe you’ve fooled yourself Ricky Boy, but you’re not fooling anyone else. I’m not the only one who understands the subtext of your post, even if you don’t."

There was no subtext DE, just what you chose to read into it. You probably shouldn't try to speak for anyone but yourself given your particular...oddities.

===> "Ummm...if they are in the club and stripping it pretty much means they are strippers. "

Hey look the world is a big place and titties and ass are always welcome, even if it's part time dabblers. But all of these unicorn stories aside, I just don't find them to be especially entertaining. There is a big difference between a lady who has gone all in to capitalize on her skills while she can and an amateur who dips in now and again but doesn't have the skills and/or confidence to fully cash in. Just my perspective and, again, everyone is welcome to a different opinion.

She may not be capitalizing fully by your definition, but if she's consistently coming in every weekend or so she's making enough for her goals. Tourist strippers to me are the ones who work a few weeks or months and vanish completely either from lack of money or nature of the work.

Don't judge her based on what she's willing to do vs what you want her to do. Be better than that rick.

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===> "Don't judge her based on what she's willing to do vs what you want her to do. Be better than that rick."

I judge her based upon how entertaining I find her to be. Isn't that why we go to strip clubs - to be entertained? Now I'm sure that there are guys here who enjoy part-time dabblers a great deal and to each his own, but I find even 15 minutes talking with many of them to be a chore. They just have different attitudes than those girls who are all-in.

Did this rick miss something from the last council meeting? Perhaps I was just too damn loaded, but I get the impression that a certain poster that claims to have a Ph.D. in EVIL has been evil in a bathroom stall?

DE, remember the fundamental principle of rick morality: it is ok to be an asshole as long as you’re not 100% a dick. Embrace that principle. Live it. Love it. RICK IT!!!!

Aah...yup

“ There was no subtext DE, just what you chose to read into it. ” OK, so Ricky Boy has gone from whore master extraordinaire, sweeping OTC virgin strippers off their feet with his “system” and deflowering them, to a regular Joe PL, sitting by himself and fuming because the Day Job Girls, as he calls them, who are not the desperate crack whores he’s used to dealing with, can see through his silly platitudes.

Doctorevil, putting aside your silly characterization of my OTC activities, your inability to process anything that you can't put in an extreme simplistic box is probably why you feel so justified in being a predator. After all, the girl who was willing to let you push her to her knees in that disgusting bathroom stall was just a hooker to you and not a human being who deserved better than that, right?

I enjoy clubs in a number of ways. Sure OTC is one of them, but there are girls who I've visited for months ITC and tipped barside just because they were entertaining and engaging.

Unfortunately a Day Job Girl rarely falls into any category I find entertaining, whether it's OTC or simple ITC engagement. IME the ones who do engage (and not all of them do) tend to have weird uptight and sometimes even smarmy attitudes.

But that's all lost on the likes of you. For you she's either a girl who puts you in your place or she's the girl who you push to her knees in the bathroom stall. I'm guessing you're on the autism spectrum, but that doesn't justify your poor behavior.

As with most of these types of questions, I've had a very mixed bag of results with what you're coining DJG's. Some, maybe many, are as you describe. They're doing it to earn a few extra bucks, maybe buy that bag or shoes they want. If they can get guys to toss enough on stage to buy it, they're happy. Some of them like the attention, to be desired and fawned over. But the net from a customer perspective is the same. They aren't really comfortable doing lap dances, and or aren't really putting in effort and it shows.

But that's not all of them. Some of them like to cultivate a few regular customers and are very close and or intimate with those customers. They often still have the same financial situation, but the result isn't them being aloof and just drinking and having a good time. It's them focusing on building a consistent revenue stream from regular customers. That sometimes means appearing aloof to other customers, a phenomena that's been discussed ad nauseam in many threads about "lazy" strippers or "whales." It can be hard to distinguish the two.

Like sc, I've had a fave who was a DJG. She was also a waitress at Twin Peaks for a while, she had a customer who was an orthodontist and gave her receptionist gig, which led to being some kind of assistant/hygienist type thing. All the while, she was dancing a day or two a month but also coming by my house at least a weekend or two a month. She was great, we did all the fun stuff strippers are known for but there was none of the stereotypical drama we discuss. Absolutely no flaking, no requests for help, no debilitating drug habit, nothing of any of those sorts.

So yeah, bottom line I still consider them strippers.

I don't know that the differentiation is that clean cut. I'm inclined to agree with prevert and heaving. If she's in the club taking her clothes off, she's a stripper. I've known what you've called "Day Job Girl" types who fuck like porn stars, and I've known full time "career" (4 or more days a week, all year long, for multiple years) strippers who won't even willingly induce a LDK. I considered them all strippers.

There is only one test:

If she get paid to show her tits, she's a stripper.

Everything else is logistics.

As George mentioned, some day girl types are amazing and full timers horrible. One of my favorites, would work one or two weekends a month, often with several months breaks. She was often the only dancer I would get dances from on the days that she worked, and typically spending a hundred dollars or so more, than on days she wasn't there. I once asked her why she only worked occasionally she mentioned that her day job was basically to pay for her health insurance, but her paycheck wasn't enough to pay her bills, and a friend of hers who also worked at the club suggested she try dancing.

Let me turn this around. I knew a full time dancer, a good one, that had a 1 day a week job working for Big Lots unloading delivery trucks. She did so in order to get the employee discount on toilet paper, etc.

Okay, then perhaps we need to come up with some more nuanced designation. Tourist stripper? Associate stripper? Stripper-Lite? I'm open to suggestions.

^ Why ?

^ To denote the different type of creature that we are dealing with. After all, we don't call cam girls and porn stars "strippers" just because they take their clothes off for money, do we? Now I understand the key difference that the girl is taking her clothes off ITC rather than remotely on a camera, but the fact remains that a significant percentage of these DJGs are very different animals than girls who do this full time.

Too much work for me, I’ve never had an issue related to whether a gal was a full or part time stripper, in fact one of my all time favorites was a manager in a woman’s clothing store at a major mall nearby, who stripped occasionally she could always be counted on to be a fun gal in or out of the club, and wherever we went she was easily one of the most beautiful head turning sexy looking broad around.

the best way to handle a DJG once she is identified is this: just watch her in action. she'll reel in a customer, take the poor sucker's money, and you then say to yourself, "well better she did that to that guy instead of me."

how about the ones that work at the club full-time and don't have a regular job that work the same way as a DJG? last time i checked there was a term all members on this board have used at one time or another: rip off bitch.

^ aye

This isn’t really a factor for me. I’ve had a great time with new girls, occasional girls, and “seasoned” girls. I’ve had plenty of ROBs in all three of those groups as well.

If I think about the girls I’ve spent the most money on, they tend to have a similar profile: they work at multiple clubs, they travel a lot, and they work odd jobs and have some kind of residual income from a side hustle. They tend to hit the club hard for a few months and then step back for a while.

On this board I always have to disclaim I’m not an OTC or even a big extras guy. So I guess it’s easier for girls to lie to me about what they’re doing if they want to.

I get dances because its fun and makes me happy. That's the entire sum of my thought process involving dancers. Overthinking something this basic is silly.

—>“I've seen Day Job Girls sit around all night and be perfectly happy just drinking and earning enough stage tip money to go home with a little extra cash after tipouts. To me that's a tourist stripper at best.”

I’ve seen full-time dancers and stripping is their only job sit around all night with their clique of other dancer friends and be perfectly happy just drinking (or doing dabs) and earning enough stage tip money to go home with a little extra cash after tip outs. Especially in the more casual mid-tier clubs as opposed to the competitive clubs that have whales but not enough of them.

Anyways, it seems the consensus from most on this thread is that part-time dancers seem to have a wide range of how they prefer to work. Possibly Rick just wants a perceived emotional connection (despite his protests to the contrary) built up and it’s easier when somebody clocks in more shifts.