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Paul, I think the real thing that makes onlyfans successful is that PL's say that they hate it and won't use it, but actually are. No other way it could succeed. I, for one, will not. Virtual sex and porn do little for me, and paying for it where I am not creating an electronic trail is not something I want to do. However, clearly a whole lot of guys are despite their complaining, hence it seems to be working well for many. Many old adages address this behavior, but "do as I say, not as I do" seems to be how most think about this. I hate it, but I think it is here for a long time and the free stuff on Twitter, Instagram and personal websites will become less and less.

As long as there are people who are uncomfortable with, have no desire, or are not a good fit for in person female interaction, and would rather sit in the comfort of their home (anonymously). . .

As long as there are girls that are uncomfortable with, have no desire, or are not a good fit for working at the dick sucking factory from 7 - 2 and would rather sit in the comfort of their home (anonymously). . .

Sex has, and always will sell - directly or indirectly, in one form or another.

If I want a fake relationship with a woman, I'll date a stripper in real life.

RTP: "Paul, I think the real thing that makes onlyfans successful is that PL's say that they hate it and won't use it, but actually are. No other way it could succeed."

My quibble here is that WE are PLs: hardcore sex industry addicts who are often many years experienced, know how to work the industry and not be manipulated by sex workers, and enjoy it so much we post on an internet forum about it. I doubt many -- or any -- PLs are subscribing to only fans. We genuinely don't get it.

If by "PL" you just literally mean guys who are pathetic losers -- "simps" in millennial and zoomer terms -- then that's absolutely true. Obviously there's guys subscribing to this.

My one observation about onlyfans: when covid started, I saw girls -- mostly strippers and bikini baristas -- pouring into onlyfans. In like March and April, they were charging $20-$40 per month, and sometimes running discounts to $10-$20 per month. Content was PG-13, R, light NC-17.

The situation today:, far more often to see those same incredibly gorgeous girls charging $10/month, and running specials for less. Content is more often R all the way to hardcore X including sex videos, toy shows, etc. Customers have organized in places, and swap info on whose OF is good or bad, which keeps pressure high on X-rated content. Meanwhile, OF has been absolutely swarmed by bottom-shelf sexworkers, who offer even lower prices, and are doing things like offering "dick rates", etc.

In short, higher prices and more sensual content -- maybe the internet equivalent to a mid- or high-end no extras SC -- in March. Today, even really beautiful women who show "top 5% of creators" type messages from OF, are offering pretty low prices and more x-rated content.

Anyway, just what I've managed to glean by looking at social media, ads for OF, and reading some of the review sites

That was a pretty interesting part of the video where it seems mutual subscribers end up building a rapport with each other.

I think a lot of dumb foundedness is just an older generation of individuals who didn’t grow up with the internet. Oh sure maybe one is very good at software engineering or website design or whatnot—but not enough with all the social aspects of it and understand the comfort of a screen over in person. Not saying it’s a GOOD thing to understand, it just is what it is. There was a certain time period in my life (middle school and somewhat early high school) where I had WAY more online friends and not really IRL. Towards the end of high school, things changed. But in the meantime there were reasons. —— As for girls showing off their top #% status, had no idea they were doing that for customers as well. It was really common to do that back in private groups (especially with girls wanting to promote their own “OnlyFans Mentoring Course)

PS Just watched the video, very insightful! He even mentioned the "dickrates". I knew the social aspect of OF was interesting to some, but hadn't recognized the magnitude.

It also makes it clearer why PLs, johns, SDs, etc. have no interest and don't get it. It's a completely different psychology

Also is ~girls who are into at least ONE thing that is viewed as ‘male’ or ‘geeky’ ~ really all that uncommon? I suspect the numbers are more common than one would think...

The % is the one thing I find odd now. Before it was nothing worth bragging about unless you were like, in the top 1% or less - which showed that your page has been very successful in attracting custies and keeping them.

Now I straight up see girls that have like (Top 40 - 60% ♡) in their tag and I'm like "?????"

@Eve - interesting range you picked (40 to 60) You could substitute the word "top" for "bottom" and describe the same portion of the curve.

That amuses me.

I haven't had time to watch the video yet, but I think that ranking thing they have is genius. I too have noticed that women who post about their OF always mention their status. I saw one even bragging that she was top .13 percent. Like damn down to the decimal eh?

Anyhow I think it's here to stay as there are obviously a bunch of takers out there. TBH I liked the idea of manyvids better. At least you could get personalized content.

I subscribed to my first OF's honey a few weeks ago. I found her on FB. Smoking hot sexy asian. All the sudden she announced she is on OF. On FB all the friends she hangs with are top quality and I suspect they sugar or outright escort. I want an introduction to this sexy circle. So the reason I'm on OF is the hope of making a connection that leads to in person hotel time. It's also kind of fun to see a honey go from posing with her Yorkie on FB to pleasing herself with a vibrator on OF. Besides, clubbing in Phoenix sucks now so I'm exploring other avenues. At this point, I'm not real optimistic it will lead anywhere but maybe.

"simps" in millennial and zoomer terms"

Yes. Simps and beta cucks that are super desperate and thirsty for any form of female validation. For most guys that subscribe to only fans, Snapchat premium, cam girls, etc they will claim its different or "better" than free porn. Its obviously not. But they think the cam girl is giving them some kind of "personal" show. Its almost as cancerous as social media at this point. Only males that are starved for female validation would even consider paying for only fans. Its a mental illness.

Chad would never consider subscribing to some thots only fans. Matter of fact they find the idea offensive.

"Only males that are starved for female validation would even consider paying for only fans. Its a mental illness."

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I haven't paid for porn in 20 years. OnlySimps won't change that.

Who cares why someone uses it. I've used it and cams, much less cash than strippers but has its place. Get enough guys together and one group will say why one group or supporter is better than the other. Guys who do SB, escorts, etc vs strippers, GF/SOs, etc, all think their preferred way is the best.

Do it or dont. Then move on.

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I'm late to the discussion. Real quick Paul on the rankings. The rankings are like either weekly or monthly rankings. When I first joined and made like my first $100, I was in the top 40%. So I think you're basically right that there are so many abandoned accounts that the numbers are skewed. Having said that, when a girl makes it to top 1% or .5% I find that impressive. I've never made it past top 16%.

So onto the video. it was pretty interesting, and I guess I agree with a lot of it.

Before watching the video, I always thought of it this way. Guys are always horney and want to see nudes. I can't tell you how many guys hit me up on instagram or facebook or snapchat asking me to send them nudes. Ok, you want them, go here, and fucking buy them. Onlyfans provided this repository of my nudes that guys could pay to unlock, so I don't have to do the work. Plus most guys try to rip us off. Onlyfans takes the money first, and then you get your pictures or videos. When guys bitch about how they just want a free sample, they get a warning, bitch again and get blocked. Go jack off to free porn if you don't want to pay. if you really want to see me naked, you can spend a few bucks. Don't be a cheep ass.

I do agree about the connection. In some cases it's there because someone really knows me, and they wanted to see me nude for a while. Then there are the guys that get to know the online version of me. The online version of me is pretty similar, except my pictures might be filtered or touched up or make it look like I'm just topless 97% of the time lol. But the reality is it's just the normal me, but it's ONLY me. I try to hide the friends and family from the my onlyfans followers.

I also think of it like this. You go to the strip club and there is that smoking hot 21 year old who's body is perfect. And you desperately want a dance. She tells you she's got 3 guys in front of you and then she'll come see you. And hopefully she does come around later on. Sometimes she doesn't, but lets say she does. 9 times out of 10, she is either an emotionless robot that is just going through the motions to get your money and move on, or she's a total dingbat and can't hold a conversation. Now, she might have made your dick hard, but when you think of your favorite girls, what makes them your favorite? I'm guessing there is a connection. Maybe it's real, maybe she's just good at the game, but when you feel like she really likes you, you want to see her more. Onlyfans delivers that connection. If you just want to see a hot girl get fucked, there is a ton of free porn for you. Want to know that me and a guy fucked under a bridge or in the woods a few miles from my house and then watch it, it's on onlyfans.

Now, I'm a pretty open book. I have guys that talk to me every day and they are all great, and 99% of them I enjoy talking to. And then I have guys that join my onlyfans page and are like, send me a picture of you fingering your pussy right now or else I don't think you are real. And I'm like, Dude, first of all, I'm at fucking Target, and second, who the fuck are you? You paid $10 to join my page, I only get $8 of that. And I have a bunch of nudes you can see that doesn't cost you an extra cent. Honestly, I don't fucking care if you don't think I'm real. So I'm pretty quick to put a douchebag like that on ignore, or tell him that I don't offer the kind of service that he desires and assure him that there are other girls on onlyfans that would probably be happy to do what he wants.

the money keeps us posting content. you want a 30 minute fucking video with several positions and camera angle that show you everything, watch free porn. You want to see a 2 minute BJ video filmed by the guy getting head, holding the camera 1 inch from his dick, then come to my page lol. But if you also want to see me taking a shower and playing with a dildo or smoking pot topless in my bedroom, and chat with me me and get to know me, then check out my onlyfans page.

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I don’t participate in OnlyFans without good reason but I am on FrankieJay’s free and paid sites. I consider it value for money. I know there is free porn. This is a different thing with different rewards. Maybe not for everyone, but I am happy with what I am doing.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. It seems all sexual modalities have a market, online or in person. I don’t begrudge anyone’s way of making money or getting thrills.

I’ve tried a few OnlyFans accounts that I’ve come across on IG, and have generally been underwhelmed and disappointed. I would love to find other ways to connect to dancers that might be available for OTC, but without club interactions it’s tough to build trust and comfort with each other. Hope it works out for you LW!

Finally watched the video, which was surprisingly well done. I mean even all the background scenes he used while talking about different aspects of OFs went perfectly together.

It's a cool breakdown, but I'm still wondering if the simp paying for this 'connection' ever gets frustrated by the fact that he can interact with this girl on the screen but can't ever actually physical connect with her? Or is he really satisfied with just seeing this girl and communicating through the internet? And are there THAT many guys out there that are just satisfied with online interaction and nothing more?

It's a big world.

Even a miniscule percentage of a large enough population can still amount to a sizable number of people.

Lol at the term OnlySimps.

nicespice: "Also is ~girls who are into at least ONE thing that is viewed as ‘male’ or ‘geeky’ ~ really all that uncommon? I suspect the numbers are more common than one would think..."

Maybe. But I see this actively coached on sex worker sites, including recommendations of what type of hobbies to pretend to like. The girls are actively doing research so that they can be convincing when they claim to love college basketball or whatever

I don’t feel like reading the whole thread but all I know is it’s fucking lunacy and if you subscribe to only fans you are now crowned the king of all PL’s!

I would also consider the psychology of the TUSCL Monger to be contact and value driven, consider the need for reviews to include all types (parking, drinks, entrance, tips, extras) of pricing information, discussions about GPS and ROBs draw many comments and experiences, and the OTC discussions are amongst the most popular (besides the poliitcal BS).

While OnlyFans (OF) and other web sex services have value, overall TUSCLers look at it as worse a complete waste of money and at best a niche hobby (mínimal monthly expenditures) until the clubs reopen to preCovid levels of safety, contact, and perhaps, pricing (we are value driven).

This is not say OF has no value but for a contact and value driven audiance, OF has a tough sell with TUSCLers.

Yep. PLs have a completely different experience they're seeking. I imagine that's the case of all customers/clients of sexworkers. I just can't see anyone who is going to AMPs, escorts, bodyrub girls, etc., being satisfied with sex work as social media interactions.

@subraman - Your comment about coaching each other to fake interest in sports or other hobbies is interesting. I am assuming that was onlyfans girls not traditional IRL sex workers?

@FrankieJay - So why do you think onlyfans girls post their ranking numbers publicly when trying to court customers? This aspect of the psychology seems so strange to me.

@nicespice - TBH I feel like if you did onlyfans you would be WAY into the rankings. It's a metric you can track and it is also gamifies the system in a way that probably draws some girls back.

^ why do you refer to yourself as an ex-PL on your avatar?

@papi - I am pretty much done with clubs, I have moved on to manic clingy 18yo SBs lol.

Lol I probably would, I would aspire to be in the top .69 and not be satisfied if I’m over or under that target.

I am going to make an only fans account! Who will be my subscribers? For yohr straight guy's, I will wear a right dress and take it off slow 😉

@subraman - Your comment about coaching each other to fake interest in sports or other hobbies is interesting. I am assuming that was onlyfans girls not traditional IRL sex workers?

Paul, I've specifically seen this in the context of onlyfans girls. But I THINK this might have been popularized by some general "female game" book. Maybe Ho Tactics?

@subra Ah, makes sense. I haven’t paid much attention to anything related to online work.

I remember reading Ho Tactics years ago. I don’t remember anything related to “guy hobbies”. At best, it was probably something like “oh hey if he works in finance or tech, be just enough knowledgeable to ask intelligent questions”

But that book has to do more with free styling to find individual sugar daddies. Not for the audience-entertaining-in-volume MO of onlyfans, etc

Makes sense though either way. If I were to go into something online related, I’d totally exaggerate my weeb-ness more so than I actually am. (When I watch tv, anime is one of my favorites, but I’m not super into it) I feel like having a baby face and big tits and being petite would appeal to that crowd. 😝

Oh right, high tactics is freestyling! Although it still might make sense to pick up guy hobbies you'd think. Maybe Ho Tactics second edition :) Or maybe it's a different source

"@FrankieJay - So why do you think onlyfans girls post their ranking numbers publicly when trying to court customers? This aspect of the psychology seems so strange to me."

paul I think it's because if they are in the top whatever % that means they are making really good content and getting guys to continue to spend money. But in reality it could mean they are able to get a lot of guys to show up and spend money 1 time and then they realize their content is crap and they don't drop another dime one them. But showing that top % I think gives a guy confidence that if they sign up it's going to be worth their $.

There are a few other things that they let you display. You always see the post count, you can't turn that off. But then you can also show how many pictures and how many videos you have, how many likes and how many fans.

When I look around and I see a page that has 2 posts and 1 like it seems like it's just a dead account to me. some girls don't make a million dollars overnight and give up. You gotta keep posting stuff, even to zero followers to grow your numbers.

When I first started off, I shut off these other things, because I thought I had so few likes, that who would want to follow a girl that only had 20 likes. As my posts, pictures, videos, and likes grew then I started sharing those. So right now, I have 104 posts, 420 pictures, 116 videos and 1400 likes and 169 fans following my free page. I'm comfortable with those numbers so I'm ok with people seeing them. (granted a lot of the pictures and videos are pay to view)

on my $10 page, I only have 84 posts, 197 pictures, 80 videos, 600 likes and 27 paying fans. The fan count isn't that great, so I keep that hidden. It's just been difficult for me to convert free people to reoccurring paying subscribers. Even though for the $10 a month you get to see all 197 pictures and 80 videos for no additional charge.

I actually just paid a girl that has 85,000 subscribers to give me a shoutout. so she's going to post 4 nudes of me, and the links to both my pages. So I'm really hoping that gives me a big bump in followers and especially paid followers. Prior to this I've been doing 99% of my advertising on instagram, and that's been slow. Not only do you have to convince someone to follow you on IG, but then you have to convince them to follow you on a different platform. And convince them to pay money on this different platform. This girl with 85,000 fans already has following that have at least done step 2 already, and hopefully my nudes convince them to do step 3.

The higher ranked users post their rankings just like any other merchant selling a service, if they can convince you that their merchandise is the best available, you’ll be more likely to give them a trial.

I spent $9.99 on only fans lifetime. Rather burn the money in the fire pit.

skibum, i'm not sure what only fans lifetime is, or did someone sell you a lifetime subscription to their snapchat? I do know there are a lot of girls that don't do the site justice. they post 10 second videos, or every picture they have dog ears or whatever filter is popular on snapchat that day. Some girls post nudes once a week with a crappy camera, some girls think they can get away with posting no nudes at all. Some girls post pages and pages of shoutouts for other girls in hopes of growing their following, but then their page just looks like nothing but an advertisement. So I do know there is a lot of crap out there. One girl advertises that she posts 3 times a day, but you can tell that she takes one photoshoot and stretches those pictures out over the course of a month. So what's better 3 posts a day of 2 pictures, or 1 post a day that has 10 pictures and a video?

My friend makes pole and bed dance videos to 1 or 2 full length songs, so she makes videos much longer than the bulk of the girls, but she's struggling to get a following. it's hard to understand what guys want and are willing to pay or subscribe for. I take bathtub and shower videos and sometimes I feel like it's just the same thing over and over again but I keep doing it so I can constantly post nude pictures or videos every day. I think of those commercials when I was younger, for just 33 cents a day, less than a cup of coffee, you can sponsor an out of work stripper. lol

anyway, sorry you had a bad experience. I've never got any negative feedback, but I have had people subscribe for a month and then not resubscribe, so I take that to mean they weren't happy with my content. I'm always trying to come up with new ideas, but its hard. I think we all understand that in the world of free porn onlyfans is a hard sell.

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I went on only fans once, simply to email a dancer I liked and to find out how she was doing. Then, having accomplished what I wanted, I let my trial membership lapse and that is and will remain my one lifetime experience on Only fans. Nothing against the site, the women on it, or the men who like it. Its just not of interest to me. I like physical contact so if there isn't any, there is nothing for me' in skiing I like trees and bumps, so when I can;t do them I won't ski the groomed, I will find something else because groomers are not for me; If I have to replace my mask after every bite in a restaurant, I wouldn't go and on and on.... As great as my strip club visit was last night, I left thinking I could be done, because i like bumps and trees, not groomers, i.e. gfe in the cr, not gr8 full contact dances.

In response to frankie and twentyfives comment about the ranking. I assumed guys would see it the opposite way. Someone who is ranked really high on the site doesn't have to put in time and effort for any one individual customer. I would be more interested in subscribing to someone who is ranked lower versus higher.

Paul: ." I assumed guys would see it the opposite way. Someone who is ranked really high on the site doesn't have to put in time and effort for any one individual customer. I would be more interested in subscribing to someone who is ranked lower versus higher."

Here I suspect you're thinking like a PL again. Many PLs love dayshift, specifically because it's slower, fewer customers, the girls work harder, more extras allowed. The fact that there's a sacrifice in quality doesn't matter to us, we're looking for bang-for-the-buck and the highest contact possible. Normal guys like nightshift, hottest girls possible, party atmosphere.

I feel like it's the same thing with OF. I'm pretty sure most guys are thinking there's something hot going on over there, she's top 1%. PL-thinking is exactly what you outlined -- meh, she's hot enough, I like it that she's not top 1%, more attention for me and better content.

Actually @Paul Drake my guess is that the higher ranking girls are working harder and putting in the effort to make their ranking go up, there's usually a good reason that a business succeeds and usually it's by figuring out what the customer wants and providing the service.

Rankings are about validation. It means nothing in regards to quality of content. Some have large followings from IG/twitter/snap etc that have convinced fans to support them via OF but w/limited or lame exclusive content. A better indicator is number of photos/vids/posts etc to see how active they are otherwise you got those that try to up charge you for more content on top of the monthly fee.

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"there's usually a good reason that a business succeeds and usually it's by figuring out what the customer wants and providing the service."

25, I think the caution here is: a business succeeds when it pitches to the most people... but there can again be a huge difference for aficionados. No coffee aficionado drinks Maxwell House or goes to Starbucks -- these are low quality products that focus on other things besides what a coffee aficionado likes. There are many cities with PLs don't go to what is the highest-gross SC. In SF, Gold Club was the highest grossing club for years, there was literally zero discussion about in on PL forums, other htan to occasionally express disdain.

That is consistent though, with your average guy prizing the top 1% girls, and whatever the equivalent of an OF-PL avoiding them and seeking out a different and better experience with a girl who isn't dividing her time among 10000 followers

I don’t claim to have a specific knowledge of the OF or any other similar websites as I’m not interested or a member of that customer base, but just in general the business folks that succeed are generally the ones that not only work harder but also work smarter so it would follow at least to my own humble opinion that the girls that heave the better rankings are the ones to emulate if someone wanted to make money in that environment

Amazes me that she strippers think dumping money on them thru a computer screen is the same thing as being in the club. But credit to them for trying.

Having been raised by a coffee fanatic and being a coffee lover my whole life I am here to defend Maxwell house. My cup of choice, over any other is the way I make Maxwell house French Roast. As someone who drinks coffee black, with no sugar, I feel I know what coffee actually tastes like and that is my preference. Some people make coffee very well, other's don't. Once in awhile I will use an old fashioned percolator for the true experience.

And some people drink decaf and have the scrotum to call it coffee.

Decaf is like light ice cream - just have something else. My cousin drinks decaf because he says caffeine upsets his stomach. Fine, but when I point out he also drinks tea which is higher in caffeine he gets huffy lol.

@Desertscrub who are you referring to when you say 'you twats are paying for pictures!'? I've read through this entire thread and only one person out of all the different posters admitted to having a paid only fans subscription.

I've had a handful of guys from tuscl sign up to my OF site, and probably 75% of them have paid for some kind of content. Some have only spent a few bucks, but a few have spent more.

I don't think guys are going to be bullied to not do what they want. Guys that can't visit a club right now still want the virtual interaction with a stripper.

I'm willing to bet that if the majority of the guys on tuscl are actually honest, they've sent a girl money before because she sent them a few naked pics. Onlyfans is no worse than that.

To all you guys that claim to get full service on half price lap dance, night or those of you that exclusively get hookers, I totally get that OF isn't for you. But there is more of you on there than you think, so feel free to bad mouth them, because they clearly don't care about your opinion. They're dropping less money than they would spend on a whisky at a club and get some hot videos\pics and a chat buddy.

"They're dropping less money than they would spend on a whisky at a club and get some hot videos\pics and a chat buddy."

This is an issue of value and not merely an expenditure, as a clubber who enjoyed FS in the VIP room, spending even small amounts on money for hot videos and pictures and having a chat buddy has little value.

That shot of whiskey is part of the cost of having a club available to get what I want.

I do not value the service provided by OF because I was looking for a different mongering experience, real contact not online services.

Also, the ranking percentage does not influence my decisión making, I would not pay for the content on any provide (though I was tempted once but I passed).

I have a friend who does cosplay and decided to try OF and told me her plan was to post mature (non nude) content and thought she could make decent money while her day job was shut down during the Covid quarantine.

With over 200k IG followers she thought it was a viable plan, I will admit she is very attractive and her cosplay is sexy and provocative, but I advised her that for guys to pay and continue paying the content has to be more than "mature" but she diasgreed and went on with her plan.

Needless to say her first month postíng was "decent" in subscribers and pay but her renewals and new subscribers declined every month, despite her continually adding content.

Admittedly there could be many reasons for the decline but the basic reason to me is guys need more than what they can see for free and sometimes even that is not enough.

clearly Onlyfans isn't for someone like desertsdouch or Tinyballs. for LOTS of other guys, Onlyfans is a place they enjoy. Not everyone is getting FS in the champagne room from the overweight stripper with down syndrome, but more power to you for dropping your entire paycheck on that type of girl.

And Cristobal you couldn't be more wrong on the cosplay thing. If you're hot and you can get the people to follow you can clean up without even showing a nipple.

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Jesus, what is your problem FrankieJ? I can understand your anger towards desertscrub but what's with the name calling and shots at Cristobal?

And Jessica Nigri is a super famous cosplayer, of course her only fans is gonna be successful. Folks at anime conventions stand in long ass lines just to pay the girl money to take a picture with her. Most other normal cosplayers wouldn't enjoy that kind of success on only fans. Cristobal's friend has 200K followers on instagram, Jessica Nigri has 20 times that amount at 4.1 million. Not a fair comparison at all.

Onlyfans isn't for everyone, both customers and would be content creators alike. Just because a woman has a notable following on instagram doesn't mean her onlyfans is gonna be successful.

It doesn't help that OnlyFans is so addicted to "reoccurring subscriptions" that they only take one payment method, 3DS credit cards. No e-pay methods, prepaid cards or re-loadable cards.

As PL's well know (or learn VERY QUICKLY), using a credit card at a SC is a horrible idea. Who wants the SO to see the charge for "JIMBO'S EMPORIUM OF BOOTY AND BOOBS" from that late night of clubbing when you were supposed to be at the hotel watching Late Night. Seeing something like "ONLYFANS*NICETITS" on the monthly statement isn't going to go over any better.

If they had something like one time payment for a week/month/year and opened up the payment choices, someone like FrankieJ would likely get some more looks, and therefore more revenue.

They totally take prepaid cards. I have a few customers that use prepaid cards to keep it off the wife's radar.

It does hit a credit card as ONLYFANS though, so you are correct there.

But I even offer the totally off the radar option that doesn't give Onlyfans their 20%. I have paypal, cashapp, venmo. I just don't like talking about those methods on onlyfans because I think they might flag those terms and shut me down. But I'll totally let someone pay a different way and still send them the content.

Onlyfans just offers a way that neither person feels like they are going to get screwed over. Guys are always like, send me the video first and then I'll pay. Yeah right, I fell for that a few times, never again. when it's a locked, pay to view video, the content is there, you can see there is a file available. most of the time you can see the length of the video. once you click the buy button, you get access to it. so it's not like I take your money and then block you before you can get your content.

and I made fun of cristobal because he's not getting it. If you are STUCK AT HOME, for less than a shot of whisky you can get nudes. I'm not suggesting anyone stop going to strip clubs and we become a society of people that totally interact with virtual strippers. I'm simply saying that in a world where some people are frightened of covid, or hate the club experience now because you gotta wear a mask in the lap dance room, for not that much money, for less than most of you pay for 1 drink at the club, you can get some nudes and friendly conversation from a "friendly" stripper like me.

From reading Cristobal's post he's made it crystal clear why he doesn't support only fans and he was pretty respectful while listing his reasons. It's the same exact reasons myself and others have listed, some respectfully and others like desertscrub not respectfully.

So it seems like YOU are the one not getting it. The fact that nudes and a chat with a friendly stripper costs about the same as a shot of whisky means nothing. Even if we are stuck at home OF will never be a replacement for the strip club. Period. Even if all clubs closed forever I would never start paying for nudes from a girl online.

Now like you said, there are plenty of guys out there who are stuck at home who DO find paying for OF nudes as a 'better than nothing' replacement for closed clubs. Hey that's great for them and great for you. No reason for me to belittle them, and no reason for you to belittle guys who detest OF. Unless of course they're as disrespectful as desertscrub always is.

This is an era of self and other validation where younger people value how many likes and followers they have, so why would it be any different to brag about how many more likes or followers you have on OF?

The people of this site are not AB accurate sample of SC customers, or sex work patrons, you’re not. You’re different, your habits are different, you prioritize the SC and your experiences differently than most and you devote more time towards SC related brain activity than most. So to say that the people of this site represents the average SC goer is wrong.

I haven’t made an OF because I haven’t needed to. My customers have been sending money to me for pics and vids regularly because we have a connection already, and that’s the appeal of OF. I’m with Frankie, I get inquiries about OF on my IG all the time, bc my followers have a connection. 🤷🏼‍♀️

What drives different people to be stimulated is different and the kind of stimulation they need or desire is different too, not everyone needs to be in person and some people want the experience but their situation (corona, relationship, work, anxiety etc) presents a conflict.

Why anyone hates OF is beyond me but ok. 👍🏼

Sorry my point about the demographics is, to say that strip club goers don’t like only fans based on the people of this site not liking onlyfans—not congruent.

@PSD I can agree with your last post. But did anyone here actually claim that to be the case?

thanks PinkSugarDoll.

TFP - I'm not going to be respectful to guys like you that have your kind of attitude of DETEST towards something that you can just ignore. Plus I LITERALLY SAID "I'm not suggesting anyone stop going to strip clubs and we become a society of people that totally interact with virtual strippers" You guys puff out your chest when you bellow out your opinion, and then act like butthurt little bitches when I call you a retard. This is how I make extra money, Onlyfans is my baby, and you want post online that I have an ugly bagy, I’m going to call you out, momma’s gonna scratch out your eyes. And when you act offended that I’m calling people out, I’m just going to do it more. If someone started ripping on whatever industry you work in, you’d probably get a little defensive too.

Moving on. Here is example my friend brought up to me. The porn industry is worth over 6 billion dollars. Your favorite porn star gets paid to shoot a scene, probably around $1000. Even though a ton of people (including me) are going to watch that scene for free, there still much be many many more people that are paying money to the company that made the porn. There must be, otherwise, they’d stop making porn.

Now, does anyone openly say they pay for porn. No one says it, but obviously people do it. You can think their an idiot, but here’s a news flash. No one on tuscl cares what you think. No one. Not 1 person on this site gives a shit about another person’s opinion. Somoene like big asses, someone likes small asses, someone likes fake boobs, someone detests fake boobs. None of you agree with anything anyway. You’re all just here to brag, and embellish, and try to make everyone think that you did better than they did. 9 people believe you, the rest of them are positive you are all full of shit, but none of them care about your opinion.

@FrankieJ: Can you find out the issuer of the card that your "friends" are using? From all my research (and their own help site), the only PPD card that they will take is a 3DS Visa Prepaid card, and I have searched far and wide (as has most on Google that wanted to use one), and no one can seem to find an issuer for this unicorn of cards. TIA!

@FrankieJ heh ok thanks for the explanation. I did use the word detest when describing how I feel about only fans, but I guess that was too strong of a word. So I take that back and will just say that I have no wish to use the site. And as I said above, I have no problems with anyone who does wish to use the site. I usually do just ignore only fans. However this was a thread about the psychology of the men who do support it and it interested me. So I checked out the posted video and stated my opinion just as others have. Isn't that what you do on an online forum?

As for being 'butthurt', I simply asked you why the need for personal attacks on a person who didn't attack you personally. But I guess you take negative remarks about only fans personally.

Regarding that last paragraph of your post....uh ok.

Bangus one of my subscribers has a greendot card

greendot.com

I'm waiting on responses from a few others but ill post once they respond.

On one hand, some louder spoken individuals on the discussion board have their contempt for online content. What I think it comes down to is a concern that will escalate and possibly affect what is available for their favored form of contact dances (and extras)

An other other hand, some louder spoken individuals in dancer groups have their contempt of places like Seeking Arrangements. What it comes down to is a concern that will continue and bleed over and possibly effect what is available for club entertainment. Whether you want to stick to strictly dances only. Or if cool with fucking, then not being as beholden to demanding, high-maintenance individuals. (Not saying people on this site are persay, but without multiple customers in the door at any one time, and customers knowing that, it can cause that to happen.)

And I admit I’ve made some really harsh comments on that subject before. So I can understand the mentality that goes with criticizing. 😝

Either way, most likely things have a way at meeting in the middle and probably neither extreme will go too far in either direction.

@FrankieJay I’d probably take the negativity in stride. The reason why people make a big deal that there isn’t money to be made on that platform, is because people want it to be true. Because they deep down there don’t want hot girls leaving their preferred type of entertainment. Whether there is or isn’t a market is for you to decide.

@nicespice - The level of vitirol here against only fans is more than I expected for sure and I think you're right about the reasons behind it.

For me I have always just found it annoying because OF girls seem to advertise in places they aren't supposed to. They are constantly posting on sugaring forums and sites and I even get dmed on my vanilla personal IG by some of them that seem to message and follow thousands of random guys.

I am surprised OF girls haven't flooded this forum in masse.

Only fans girls aren't selling porn they are selling interaction and attention

To me OnlyFans is like Excalibur for Rip Off Bitches

@PaulDrake and it just keeps on going. 😂😂

When Frankie said "green Dot Account" I got excited and thought she meant her customer had an account to order Green Dot Full Spectrum Extract from the Cannabis store lol.