Only 3% of Black Male Homicides are Death by Police.
nickifree
Texas
So why this narrative that suggests that all these deaths of black men are by the police. Black people are so fucked up that the only deaths that matter to them are ones caused by the police or white people. That's pathetic.
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A cruel murder was caught on video and people of all colors are reacting. It brings back images of slavery, Jim Crow, public lynchings, and general violence against blacks. I think that's perfectly rational if you have any human empathy.
OT, I'm against defunding the police.
Yeah you might see a lot of white people demonstrating and in support of BLM. But that doesnt mean it's out of respect. Instead it's out of sympathy. Just like they might have sympathy for a dog. Sympathy for blacks, yes. Respect No!
I saw on TV a data-set from the Department of Justice that showed that when it comes to violent-crime b/w races, 90% is black-on-white crime - add that too the black-on-black crime and if one wants to place blame then one should conclude the black people need to fear black people way more than the police or white people - and by the data, white people should fear black people more than black people fearing white people.
I'm not trying to state that black people should be labeled dangerous killers b/c the reality is that it's a small minority that is causing havoc and often victimizing other black people - nor am I saying the #s tell the whole-story b/c I def believe in context when something is being analyzed - but it is kinda intellectually insulting to drive the singular narrative that cops and the rest of non-black America is looking to kill black-people the first-chance they get, the reality is that is not the case either per the eye-test or by the data of who's committing most of the violent-crimes on who.
He said what is the name of the white man thats been assigned to you we can go and have a talk with him,
Nobody specific you say, then shut the fuck up and get to work You need to take care of yourself just like us.
Also, this comment aligns with what I said in another thread: "this is how it is and how it always will be so help me god, so shut up."
I’m not against you or anyone else but as a business owner for many more years than I care to remember I’m sick and tired of being someone’s excuse for not thriving
I get the overt racism and I deplore it, but I also am sick of lazy entitled shitheads of any race that think I owe them a living
And along those same lines I believe its not fair, right, intelligent or fits the ideals this country says it believes in when seeing black people the automatic response by the majority is to blame and demonize those people with absolute no regard for history, current and past policy, structure while using statistics to justify actions against them.
That's the problem - it is not discussed with the same fervor and now it seems it can't even be mentioned lest you are considered "out of touch" or a racist or a sell-out - if black lives matter so much, why isn't the problem attacked where it is the biggest - it's a legitimate argument especially in the face of the current singular-chants that there is an epidemic of black deaths at the hands of non-blacks and/or police when it's not the case and the actual epidemic lies elsewhere - the reality is that by far the ones inflicting violence seemingly w/o mercy on most blacks is a minority of other blacks - that is not an assumption, it's a fact - reduce black violent crime to the levels of other races and see what kind of effects that has on the black community - this is an inconvenient fact but a fact nevertheless.
I do get your points and I’ve said many times that I’m not unsympathetic
There is a lot of positive statements made on both sides and I do appreciate positivity
But I resent the hell out of people that seem to think anyone owes them any more than a fair chance
Sometimes it works out and I have mentored more than a few young men and women in my time, and sometimes it doesn’t work and you need to try something else, but and I stress this fact I never entered into this halfhearted so if you aren’t willing to put in an equal effort you will not see an equal success
Trust this it ain’t necessary to call folks stupid even though I do occasionally because it’s funny
The smart folks know who’s stupid right off and who gives a shit what the stupid ones think anyway
Also, there are programs and people addressing this issue. You may not see it because either (A) you dont live in the black community and (B) the efforts are not portrayed on TV. But trust me, it is happening.
https://youtu.be/L00GSqL4-VM
https://youtu.be/xmoKt348tY8
https://youtu.be/j5Vk3nvMpz4
https://youtu.be/uWNTMmktoCQ
https://youtu.be/-8zyilOZHLU
https://youtu.be/v_6bYj6LXdM
I'll stop there. So you are going to insult all these people doing work in these communities and say blacks only complain about police and whitey huh? Not very genuine. Are you going to keep perpetuating a lie because it alingns with your feelings?
There is appears to be an extreme difference between groups what a fair chance is. One side says says I want a fair shot and the other hears you want special treatment because you're black. If I'm off on that please let me know.
I get your point - my personal point is not that there isn't any racism at all in America, but that blaming all, or most, of black-folks' current issues/circumstances at the feet of others comes across to me an unfair, inaccurate, and most of all counterproductive - yes in past decades racism was the biggest thing keeping black-persons down, but in my lifetime (last 5-decades post 1970) I see black folks being much more affected by other black folks and by their own choices/actions vs the choices/actions of others upon them - I disagree with argument of an epidemic of black-death at the hands of non-black-America and disagree with argument that non-black-America is what's keeping present-day blacks from getting ahead.
In this current day-and-age, lest the extremists on both sides, I think most folks want what's best for everyone regardless of race, I don't necessarily see a concerted effort by any particular race trying to keep any particular race down - I actually think we are closer than it seems it terms of the desires for equality, and episodes like these do at least get the dialogue going/continue-it, but it can't just be a one-sided one-argument deal, there's work to be done on all sides as far as I'm concerned.
Yes - as a society we are still not where we need to be in terms of how we view each other based on race, there is still a good-amount left to be done there - it's understandable that blacks and whites may not often see things from the same POV/reference-point b/c of differences in circumstances - but again it goes both ways - yes black folks shouldn't be viewed differently than white folks especially when one does not know the person, but it goes both ways - the way some blacks talk about whites is as if white-people got together once-a-month to strategize how to keep black-people down when the reality white people are focused on dealing w/ their own problems (if anything we get together at most once a year to strategize against blacks, not on a damn regular-basis, what the hell).
I assume that may happen more to blacks - I would not doubt it - but police mistreatment is not unique to blacks, often times socio-economics has as much to do with it.
I live in a working-class Cuban suburb - particularly in past years I would come home late at night and couldn't find parking in my complex - I would then have to park on the street sometimes 2 or 3 blocks away and walk home - I've had a police officer (Cuban like myself) stop me and ask me in an accusatory tone where I was going when all I was doing was walking home (not as if I was standing-around or anything) - a couple of other times I've had unbeknownst to me a cop behind me with his lights off as I was slowly driving late at night looking for a spot to park, these are all Cuban/Cuban-descent cops and I'm Cuban also - yeah at the moment I was SMH but the reality is my working-class Cuban hood does have a fair # of non-violent crime such as car break-ins etc. OTOH - I have family in Boca Raton (a mostly well-to-do area 2 counties north) that I visit often, and my few interactions w/ police there over many years I've received 5-star treatment. In my case, the people doing mischief in my neighborhood are usually people that look like me, and thus in some ways it seems I at times get profiled depending on the circumstances - but I have never took it as racism nor being picked-on, just an unfortunate side-effect of some of the issues in my particular hood.
Maybe I mistyped or you misunderstood the way I typed it - my point is *not* that there isn't any racism (per my comment "... Racism is not at zero ..." - maybe it was poorly worded) - my point is *not* that racism is nonexistent, but that in our present-day I don't believe it's the biggest nor only impediment to black America - it's my opinion per what I observe, it's not always easy, particularly in our modern-day, to know exactly how much of it is reality and how much of it is perception.
I find it funny that a bunch of old cantankerous white men will sit and pontificate about what the biggest problem hindering the progress of African Americans when they are oblivious to the fact that WHITE PRIVILEGE exists and that systematic racism has manifested itself has manifested itself in several social and political institutions. The fact that several posters conflated Black on Black crime with the BLM highlights their narrow mindedness as it pertains to the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement. I'm sure that NONE of you non black individuals on this aren unable to empathize with my fellow black brethren on how the color of your skin can simply lead to negative or harmful ramifications, even without doing anything illegal.
Black people cant even fight for basic civil rights when there several caucasians in position of power who perceive them as sub humans or animals. What do you think was the impetus of the Jim Crow laws were for? Systematic racism just became more clandestine after the Civil Rights movement but the election of this cheeto devil has embolden knuckle draggers to be overt with their racist views. Racism is also evident with while liberals as they believe that Obama being elected or voting for him will mask the fact that they will disregard black lives when it becomes convenient for them.
Racism is structural and has been interwoven into the fabric of our society since the founding of this nation.
Some of you need to just shut the fuck up and and truly listen to black folks when they are telling you their experiences.
" I was going very much under the speed limit...
Had I not been a man of color driving a sporty car late at night would I have been pulled over? Had I not been trained in how to deal with this kind of typical humiliation tactic and not had a significant legal person with some juice behind me, what could have happened?"
Special training and a lawyer? Hardly needed to not act belligerent and let someone look at your license.
Again, why conclude racism? You were probably pulled over because you were going too slow. That's pretty unusual and something that's a sign of drunk driving.
Anyway, again, it's something that stuff happens to white people too. Once my 70 year old mom picked me up one late night to give me a ride home and a cop pulled us over for not using a turn signal. Then after checking my moms license explained that he really pulled us over because we had taken an unusual route through the neighborhood because I had belatedly decided to go for some food instead of going straight home.
I didn't say racism. But I will be clearer here. That situation coupled with many similar situations I and many other black folk, crossing all socio-economic lines, points to structural bias. It wasn't that I was driving too slow as other cars in front of me were driving at the same rate. They passed the officer and he chose me to pull over. Look at it for what it is. I'm not saying police don't pull over other people for different reasons. I'm just saying those reasons don't apply to me. Not when this kind of thing has with more regularity to me and similiar folk. It's a pattern. The first step in correcting a problem is identifying it. When you hear thousands of people say the same thing, pay attention. It's an issue! I work both in the entertainment industry and the field of public education. The majority of my colleagues of color have experienced the same thing. And a few of them have higher levels of contacts that I in the justice system.
Daddy, just because you cannot properly quote or understand their value doesn't mean that the stats are meaningless, just that you are too limited to use them properly.
The simple reality is that blacks commit 50% of all murders, yet represent only 13% of the population. Overwhelmingly their victims are other blacks. While I agree that there are plenty of white on white murders as well, those simple realities above mean that blacks are dying at a far higher rate per capita from the hands of their own peeps than whits are from theirs.
Read that slowly if you need to. I know that things like "per capita" may be a little confusing for you, but spend some time Googling it and you may understand the broader picture better.
But all of this is besides the point. Police are not ordinary people. They are given a public trust, which comes with it extraordinary powers and (presumably) training in how to properly use them. When they kill someone who is unarmed or, worse, already in their custody, it is an unforgivable abuse of that public trust. That should never happen, ever. Trying to compare it to other black crime stats is just side noise.
Coincidentally the club they worked at was burned down.
No, what you are seeing is the devastating effect of about half of black males not getting an education and basically dropping out of society. You can't blame systemic racism because so many black males drop out of the system before they even become adults. In 2010 only 52% of black males graduated high school. So 48% had already dropped out. They don't even give the system and society a chance.
>To understand where I'm coming from, you must dare to step outside of "COLONIAL" mindset.
I'm not hearing any of this colonial bullshit.
That comparison is pointless. Police are not ordinary people. They are given a public trust, which comes with it extraordinary powers and (presumably) training in how to properly use them. When they kill someone who is unarmed or, worse, already in their custody, it is an unforgivable abuse of that public trust. That should never happen, ever. Trying to compare it to other black crime stats is just side noise.
The guy recanted his story. Says he confused Floyd with a different black guy and now doesn’t remember if Floyd and Chauvin knew each other. Story just broke in last day or so and seems weird. In original interview he said he knew Floyd very well. Maybe he was just trying to get on tv but something’s a bit weird.
Fuck me. It was bound to happen. Dugan and I agree on something. All deaths are not the same. Getting killed by someone who is supposed to be protecting, serving and working for you is much, much worse than being killed by a rival gang member. I don’t care if the cop is white or black or if the victim is white or black. I do know I’ve seen enough disturbing videos and read enough disturbing accounts that I agree with what Kap and BLM are asking for, that police killings of blacks should be investigated. Do the investigation and get us on some road to unity. (Extra words included so that Dugan can tell me why I’m agreeing with him wrong and he can call me McNutty.) With a wink for good measure. 😉
Whatever the consequences of Floyd's death, it had absolutely no effect on my existence as a black man in America. None. Completely inconsequential. However even without living in the neighborhood these slain women lived in, their deaths are consequential to me. So you can only image the effect it has on people with the misfortune to live in those neighborhoods.
I guess this means that you aren't stupid all of the time. 😉
Do you even hear yourself? You keep spouting these stats that occur because of atrocity that happened 400 years ago in this country. Classic not looking at real cause and taking refuge statistical bullshit! And yes the "colonial" mindset is real. Until you deal with the reality, you'll be forever traveling in an echo chamber. But that's who you are. Fortunately there are others who aren't afraid to look at what's real instead just clinging to a hollow knee-jerk reaction.
That’s kinda my point. All deaths are not the same. You agree you care differently about the black on black deaths of people you know about. The tens (hundreds?) of thousands of racially diverse international protestors care about police brutality against blacks. Are they a majority? Maybe. But without a doubt there is a large and growing part of the population that wants an investigation into or action against police brutality.
On the other hand, there are African Americans descended from slavers and slave owners, including Barack Obama ( on his mother’s side ). Incidentally, Barack has no ancestors who were ever slaves. Just slave owners.
Do I owe Barack reparations ?
What sane person would become a police if they are put under ridiculous rules of engagement where they are expected to either risk serious injury or fail at the purpose of the job.
Yes, that is exactly right.
Not only is that correct but your not mentioning that the cop has access to almost unlimited backup, weapons arsenal, training and if he hasn't squandered it; the public will be on his side.
>@Yahtzee
>Do you even hear yourself? You keep spouting these stats that occur because of atrocity that happened 400 years ago in this country.
I have quoted one stat. How does something that happened 400 years ago, 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago keep someone from graduating high school in the 21st century?
>Classic not looking at real cause and taking refuge statistical bullshit! And yes the "colonial" mindset is real. Until you deal with the reality, you'll be forever traveling in an echo chamber.
Echo chamber? I was seeing a black woman for 2 1/2 years and while I heard a few rants about how racist the world is (and that black people don't like police) I never experienced anything while we were together and she never told me any personal stories or a stories from someone she knew. Just stuff she saw about other people on youtube or the internet. If the world is that tragically racist then in 30 months I should have seen a little bit of it too.
Also, the forum of one of my hobbies is filled with liberals so I hear it all the time. They are also run by liberal moderators so anyone who dares to voice a differing opinion has their message deleted or is banned.
>Fortunately there are others who aren't afraid to look at what's real instead just clinging to a hollow knee-jerk reaction.
And fortunately there are also black academics who can see the real problems too. So there is hope.
Yes. Adhering to a set of rules is the very difference between a cop and a criminal.
But bob, I also found the rest of your argument disingenuous. In the overwhelming majority of these situations, the cops significantly outnumber the perp, which makes your attempt to re-frame the argument that way a little misleading. Nobody is telling a cop not to protect himself in some crazy one-off situation where he is isolated with a violent perp.
Question.....
Why do y’all call it blk on blk crime?
So, white people dont kill each other?
Doesn’t who you kill determines who ya most commonly around?
Why does blk on blk crime have to be non existent for us to get others respect?
Can y’all get white on white crime down to zero too? Or is that just for us?
FYI I hate the term blk on blk crime. It’s only used by others to give a reason to overlook our issues, because we all know white people kill white people too
What you others watch are snippets of what the media wants you to see. We don’t walk around talking about whitey this whitey that. BUT when there is a video after video of police killing people. Are we not supposed to rise up and fight. If it wasn’t for us the exotic women y’all desire so much you wouldn’t even be able to walk down the street with. We did that.
How many people would die from violent crime in a year if criminals didn’t need to worry about being arrested ? More than 9 ? More like 9,000.
The solution is to identify and terminate bad cops. The cop who murdered George Floyd had a history of over 20 disciplinary accusations. How did that happen ? How many more cops are on the street with a history of violence ? Let’s identify them and fire them all, along with the supervisors who let them slide. If it’s a systemic problem in a police department, fire the police chief and his direct reports. If the police union is guilt of protecting bad cops, hold them accountable.
You'll notice that the media isn't fact checking that stupid assertion. It's just another example of how the media is bias to present a particular viewpoint. I'm no right-winger(far from it in fact). But have long agreed with their complaint about media bias.
Your bias is showing.
Definitely - I def lean conservative in almost all things thus would watch Fox News and would listen to conservative radio - I had stopped watching Fox News for a couple of years b/c it's too biased towards conservatives where they hardly ever call anything out when wrong - but problem is most of the media is left-of-center if not way-left and has been like that for a couple of decades so something was needed to give a different POV.
As I mentioned - I hadn't watched Fox-News for a couple of years but started watching it recently after the protests b/c everything you saw on mainstream media was celebratory of the protests and they rarely if at all called-out/criticized the many wrong-doings from the protests - it got to the point I have even stopped watching ESPN b/c everything about the protests is "they are freedom fighters to be admired" and "white people are and have always been evil" and I gotta consistently hear this one-and-only narrative even of fucking ESPN - it got so bad I even stopped listening to sports radio b/c it was the same shit of no one daring to say anything but how awesome the protests were; I even had to switch to conservative radio from sports radio when I wanna lay in bed and just listen to the radio b/c almost every outlet is "wow these young freedom fighters really get it and are awesome and everyone better think the same thing or else".
And that Wendy's is in flames now as we speak.
https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-der…
"Rather than indicating illegal and excessive force, they instead show an officer who rigidly followed the procedures deemed appropriate by the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). The evidence points to the MPD and the local political establishment, rather than the individual officer, as ultimately responsible for George Floyd’s death."
NAAAASTY
First a few sources on whether or not officers are targeting racial minority suspects:
Do White Law Enforcement Officers Target Minority Suspects?
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1111/puar.12956
Results from experimental trials testing participant responses to White, Hispanic and Black suspects in high-fidelity deadly force judgment and decision-making simulations
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s11292-012-91…
Toward a Comprehensive Understanding of Officers’ Shooting Decisions: No Simple Answers to This Complex Problem
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/01973533.2014…
Next, some sources on lending and economic status (relates to claims of modern redlining, racial discrimination in hiring, etc.):
Mortgage Lending in Boston: Interpreting HMDA Data
https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/r…
Race and Economic Opportunity in the United States
http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/a…
Hiring bias study: Resumes with black, white, Hispanic names treated the same
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/…
A New Study On Name Discrimination Suggests Names Signaling Race Are Also Linked To Social Status
https://www.bustle.com/p/a-new-study-on-…
African-Americans over-represented among low-paying college majors
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/a…
Here are some statistics on homicides by race and ethnicity, as well as people killed by cops (all from 2018 for consistency but I can give you data from other years as well):
2018 Crime in the United States: Homicides by Race and Ethnicity
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201…
People killed by police officers in 2018 (can sort by race, gender, weapon, fleeing from a crime, etc.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/…
Fatal Encounters (another resource recording fatal encounters with police officers by race, gender, year, etc):
https://fatalencounters.org/our-visualiz…
From all of the above, I'm torn between all the various sentiments in this thread. On the one hand I know that black people are not experiencing the same outcomes as white people at this point in time: higher rates of poverty, lower rates of education, lower paying jobs, higher rates of single-parent households, etc. I also feel for the people hearing about recent tragedies, having America's unfortunate past in their memories, and lashing out because they feel they're just seeing more of the same. If I was hanging out with a black person that felt that way, I'd buy them a drink and help them feel better.
On the other hand, if I wanted to acknowledge the above inequities we see, and REALLY get to the root of the problem so I could start making some sense of it and ultimately some real progress, I'd take a clear look at the research and push sentimentality and anecdotes out of my mind. That doesn't mean I don't feel for my black brother above; it means I care so much about his plight, I'm going to push my own feelings out of the way and see what's really at the root of it so we can start to rectify the problem.
So what does the data say? Many people are out there in the streets, claiming that black people have to live in constant fear that they'll be shot by a police officer for no reason. That is absolutely not true. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't work to reduce excessive force by law enforcement anyway, and that's something everyone can always agree on. But on the list of top threats to the lives of innocent black people, death by police is nowhere near the top. If we put the same amount of effort that's going to protest against the police instead towards lowering black-on-black crime, vastly more lives would be saved. Others rightly pointed out that it's not a "either-or" but a "both-and" - and that may be true, but still, the current response is completely unbalanced in the wrong direction. If we did instead take a clear look at real problems and work to solve them, the same amount of energy could save far more lives, and would bring with it less destruction of property, less injured/killed protesters and police officers, and less cultural and racial division.
It's also helpful to keep in mind the ways different narratives are politically expedient to different groups of people. The worst thing that could happen for Democrats would be conditions getting better for black people, more broadly. If the broader narrative was that conditions have gotten VASTLY better for blacks by many metrics in recent decades (which they have), then the Democrats wouldn't be able to claim that "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black" (as Biden said). Blacks are a significant component of the Democratic voting base, and they will only be locked in as long as they can be convinced that everyone is against them EXCEPT the Democrats. I don't want to totally take Republicans off the hook either, though - Trump did say at some point something like "you guys are all poor, your schools are crumbling, and you're living in crime - why not vote for me, it can't get any worse".
Also keep in mind that right on BLM's website, they make it clear that they're not just focused on racial equality, but also the whole gambit of far-left views: dismantle the patriarchy, dismantle the nuclear family (which ironically has already happened in black families and is probably largely to blame for high rates of crime and poverty), promote trans ideologies, etc. I don't care what your own particular views on any of those subjects are, but it's important to know that supporting BLM doesn't just mean you support black lives in general; it means you're getting behind an organization with very specific ideological leanings that extend far beyond the scope of racial inequity. Source for the above is their own website:
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-bel…
The real answer is to stop playing identity politics and start using politics to figure out what is best for the American people more broadly - not only what's best for this party or that. There's no such thing as "racial justice" and there's no such thing as "social justice". Justice is justice for individuals, and we're only innocent or guilty as individuals. As long as we teach people to see everything exclusively through the lens of skin color, we'll be doing exactly what the worst parts of our history did. MLK is so famous for a reason: because he saw right through this, and sought to take skin color out of the equation, not to continue focusing on it as America's racists had always done in the past.
I'll end with a quote by Booker T. Washington, once a slave and later a free man:
"There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public... Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs... There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."
So you dated one black girl. She doesn't speak for all of us. And neither do I. Rather there are a variety of experiences. And even though you really want to hold onto the idea that the 21st century is not affected by what came before, that is not the case. I'm not in love with the words "liberal" and "conservative" and a be all and end all to an individual's outlook. Some things I have a more "conservative" viewpoint about and some things I have a more "liberal" viewpoint about. I'm definitely not one to believe I should just sit and wait for my dreams to come to me. I put in sweat equity for my progress. Still I'm not cool with obstacles put in my way that wouldn't be there if there wasn't a pattern created by systematic bias. We will disagree all day long because you don't want to understand what it's like to be me, and that's a fact of life. But what can change and improve is the systemic non-sense in my way. Now I'm not going to stop moving forward. I can chew gum and walk so I will always call folk out on their ignorance and narrow-minded attitudes as well as continue to try to educate folks that there are legitimate reasons for the anger.
"A taser is considered a deadly weapon under Georgia law"
Now, he has charged Rolfe with murder after Brooks pointed a taser at him.
So, is a taser a deadly weapon, or not ?
FYP
For those reading this, how many times have you fought the police to avoid arrest ? Have you ever pointed a weapon at a cop ? Why not ?
In the case of Brooks, he fought the cops violently, grabbed a weapon off the cops belt, and had just pointed the weapon at the cop when the cop shot him. It was a taser, but that could have rendered the cop defenseless, allowing Brooks to get the gun.
Was the cop justified ? A jury will decide.
The ATL officer has already been convicted of murder by the SJW mob that now seems to be the defacto power and the ones calling the shots - the officer was immediately fired w/o due-process (w/o waiting for an official investigation to be completed and then proceeding based on the findings) - they seem to also be trying to use his partner against him by going after the officer that did not fire (head-om-a-platter"justice").
Were these guidelines followed in the case of George Floyd ? Only a jury can decide after hearing all arguments. Although the video looked pretty bad, it’s possible that bad training and bad guidelines were the ultimate cause of Floyd’s death, not the individual officer.
There will be tremendous pressure on the jury to find the officer guilty. If they find the officer not guilty, the streets of America will explode. The jurors lives, jobs, and reputations will be at risk. The best thing the jury can do, for their sake, and to save hundreds of lives from the mob, is find the cop guilty, regardless of the evidence.
A similar dilemma exists in Atlanta. There will be tremendous pressure to find the officer guilty even though the evidence is much less compelling.
So, that’s where we are. The mob has decided. They demand a guilty verdict or there will be violence. Isn’t there a term for that ?
I have no idea what the MInny police training methods are, but chokeholds are designed (I think) to cut off blood to the brain to subdue an individual. Their use is controversial and I’m guessing that the use of them is restricted to specific situations and that there are lots of safeguards to prevent cops from accidentally killing someone. I am also making an assumption, but a reasonable one, that the manual also clearly limits the duration and requires that the cop not use it longer than necessary, and further that if the suspect appears in respiratory distress, to discontinue the chokehold if the subject is otherwise subdued. Those are my objections to your assumption.
Here’s where the facts differ. First, it wasn’t a chokehold. You used the word “neck restraint” so maybe you meant they were trained to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed, prone, subject. I don’t know. What about the officer taunting Floyd? He kept saying “get up” and “get in the car” while kneeling on his neck, seemingly in control. It’s pretty clear to me that the officer was not threatened and the neck restraint was no longer needed. Second, after Floyd was non responsive and had no pulse, the cop stayed on his neck for another 2 minutes. There is ZERO chance that is in the police handbook. Last, this isn’t a jury issue of evidence. It’s a clear cut issue of whether the procedure used by the cop was within the procedure of the manual. I have no idea, but it’s a pretty safe bet it wasn’t based on the duration and that it went beyond when Floyd was already subdued.
On Brooks in Atlanta, again I didn’t cherry pick an extreme exception. Indeed, Brooks is far less extreme because he actually assaulted the cops, took a weapon and fired it at them. It’s a much more complicated case for sure.
But if the cop that killed him is convicted of a homicide crime, it would make sense to me. The taser had already been fired and was neutered. The cops had already searched Brooks and knew he was unarmed once the taser was expended. If there was any doubt about the taser having a charge, Brooks was running away from the cop. All the cop needed to do to protect himself was stop chasing him or slow down and he would’ve been out of range of the taser once Brooks took two more steps. They shot him in the back. Twice, and I think he fired three times. Also, they’d been talking to the guy for 20 minutes. They had his ID, knew he was piss drunk. Let him run away and wait for him to show up at home. Unless,
the cop was angry that he’d been assaulted and the shots were fired in anger. That makes sense to me and is probably something I’d do. But cops need to be better. They are trained to act rationally in stressful situations, not fire their weapons in anger. It’s their job to protect and serve the people for whom they work, including Floyd and Brooks. Being drunk and resisting arrest, when you are no longer a threat, shouldn’t get you killed.
My contention is that there are an overwhelming number of people who share your perspective. That frightens me.
Brooks? I already said that’s a hard case. I want my police to be better and able to act rationally in a stressful situation. I don’t know police law in GA but the statements by the prosecutor are consistent that the shooting was improper. The defense lawyer disagrees and says Brooks was running away. I think the video contradicts him, but we’ll see if and when they go to court. We agree on that.
My taking a view now as to whether they are guilty is not mob rule. It’s just my opinion, which means jack shit. (My guess is we agree on that too.)
“Melissa Rolfe’s termination was a direct result of her actions in the workplace and violation of company policy. While working with Melissa as she transitioned to a leave of absence granted by our organization, we discovered she violated company policy and created an uncomfortable working environment for many of our employees. As an HR Director, she ultimately lost the confidence of her peers, leadership and many employees who no longer felt comfortable engaging with her. We value diversity of thought and respect Melissa’s personal views and the views of all employees; however, when those views create a hostile working environment, we must make difficult decisions to part ways.”
But apparently Tucker and the faux news mob have rushed to judgment and concluded she was fired for being the stepmother of the officer charged.
Apparently it goes both ways.
No, but I believe the surveillance photos of the woman setting the fire.
One CIVILIAN dying is bad enough. Things can seem small only because video recording is generally new. Lethal or not, keeping a knee on someone's neck is choking and killed someone so it's clearly lethal and avoidable since he had 8 frigging minutes to get up. That's a long time dudes.
"... Five children were among the 14 people killed, including a 3-year-old boy and 13-year-old girl killed in separate shootings ..."
I imagine massive Black Lives Matter demonstrations are to follow? After all it must be those racists Republicans in power in Chicago, and homicidal cops, that are responsible for all those shootings and killings.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/…
Per Shaun King - one of the BLM leaders whom also was a keynote speaker at Bernie Sanders' campaign-launch-event - now beyond tearing down any statue they see (Confederate or not), he's saying to go after religious symbols - and no one seems to be standing up against these fundamentalist radicals; not even most Republican leaders - this may have potentially serious consequences if these radicals are allowed to continue w/o any impunity.
An American academic has criticised Mary Poppins for projecting racial stereotypes, saying Dame Julie Andrews’s character wears “blackface” during one scene.
Writing for The New York Times, Professor Daniel Pollack-Pelzner – a gender studies professor at Linfield College, Oregon – sharply criticises the scene where Mary Poppins joins Dick Van Dyke’s chimneysweep Bert to dance on a rooftop. The pair both get covered in soot as the dance number “Step in Time” is performed.