Civil unrest over Covid lockdown in Lansing
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
Subra - I think this was expected
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/protes…
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Subra - I think this was expected
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/protes…
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Fuck, we'd still be in Vietnam if the hippies didn't protest.
Looked like it. The gun and Confederate flags set lol. Between you and I, those are my peeps, but we have different perspectives on this one. LW, it was definitely expected... eventually. Not when you guys predicted it 4 weeks ago, but yes, if things aren't lifted, those incorrect predictions will definitely work themselves around to be correct. Doesn't take a genius to figure the furthest right and restless young people first. Still, with national support at 70%, we're talking at a relatively small minority... for now. The longer it goes on, the more people start squirming, which is why squandering these last few weeks instead of preparing for test&trace, etc., was such a disservice to the American people.
IMO the longer this goes on, the more that this will spread. People will only tolerate being forcibly made helpless for so long and I agree that this is good. Some Governors need to be reminded that civil liberties still matter, even during a health scare.
Look at places like NY and MD, where they are now mandating face masks in public, among other things. What's next? Look at CA, where the governor laid out a ridiculous and unrealistic laundry list of conditions needed to open, including many that smacked of ongoing state monitoring and/or control.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died over the centuries to earn and protect our liberties. It is scary when one health scare makes so many behave like sheep and eagerly offer them up in exchange for a little more safety. Thank goodness for our Constitution and for people willing to light the spark when government starts going too far. Thank goodness also for a President and certain state Governors who chose to exercise more thoughtful restraint in their responses to COVID-19.
https://youtu.be/UbyV0TFTgLY
Group is called Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/40353754…
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-govern…
Simply put, she's gone too far and part of it is more political than necessary. You can only push people so far before they push back.
The title of this discussion: "Civil Unrest Over Covid Lockdown In Lansing" or the title of the article ""Protesters in Lansing, Michigan are out in full force after Gov. Whitmer extended and expanded strict social distancing rules"
There were protesters mostly (lamely) honking the car horns and a few protesters walking around shouting something, looked like a typical business day with people honking there horns while grinding along home in traffic.
There was no Civil unrest or protesters out in full force, more media (and TUSCL) exaggeration.
Alternatively, if the protesters and the right wing politicians who are making lots of noise about restrictions can offer a set of guidelines that will simultaneously protect human lives and allow businesses to reopen, then do it! I have not heard a well-reasoned plan to reopen the economy while still protecting against the spread of COVID. i think the saying is: "Lead, follow or get out of the way."
That said, a more nuanced set of guidelines would be well advised in Michigan and other states. The goal is to reduce the transmission of the virus. Metro Detroit has been hit hard (the vast majority of COVID deaths and infection in Michigan are located in the three county area surrounding Detroit). That area would be a candidate for more extreme social distancing and containment policies than other more rural areas of Michigan. Also, a number of businesses should be reopened but with guidelines on how to operate in a manner that limits the spread of COVID-19. The same goes for activities (e.g., boating and golfing) that should be allowed to occur as long a social distancing guidelines are honored. One size does NOT fit all.
These are tough decisions with serious consequences on either side of each and every decision. While I don't agree with Whitmer on everything, at least she is communicating effectively (health and public safety are the driving values) and she is making her best effort to protect the health of the state residents. She is a refreshing contrast to the ineptitude and self serving pony show by Trump and his band of sycophants (Anthony Fauci, excluded).
The return to life as normal? Don't count on that before we 1) develop a more robust testing capacity to screen for infections (some of which are asymptomatic), 2) develop and disseminate a vaccine and 3) develop more effective treatments. This could take a while!
This notion that you can go into Walmart and buy groceries, but can't grab a bag of mulch or a bath towel while you're there, is ridiculous.
She's not doing it for the greater good. She's doing it because there is a sense among some blue state liberals that it is unfair that big box stores can continue to sell this stuff while smaller Mom and Pop stores have to stay closed. A few other areas also enacted this crap for exactly the same reason, figuring that increased suffering among the greater population was preferable to letting big box stores "get one over" on their smaller competitors.
Well, I hope she enjoyed her little social experiment moment, because the people of Michigan are not going to forget this in November.
dunno how accurate this dude was, but stated you could go to home depot and buy sheetrock, but not paint? Sounds dumb.
And gardening? um, FOOD SUPPLY???? because some people do grow vegetables!!!!
But then I tried to stop by home depot yesterday (toilet is leaking) and, there's like 100 people standing in line to get in. So, yay, they are enforcing social distancing!!! Boo... There's no way that many freaking people all had some emergency repair. They're all out there trying to find some bullshit excuse to get themselves out of the house. Should just go take a walk, have a circle jerk in movie theater parking lot. dumbasses.
That most of the "protesters" stayed in their cars and practiced social distances, the governer should really listen and respond with something. But those jackasses in the picture shoulder to shoulder with assault rifles? Well, I read yesterday that stats for pre existing conditions show obesity as the highest risk... They probably won't be protesting this long term.
You seem to forget that everyone has civil liberties, just because you disagree doesn't give you more rights than everyone. It's the right of everyone else to go about their business without a bunch of aggrieved losers, blocking their way and causing a ruckus at a time of great peril.
I'm a big fan of social distancing, but the European model of locking everyone up doesn't make sense to me.
WOW.
Really, just sit back and think about that statement...
As if something like that has never happened before!!!
I mean, it's BROOKLYN!!!
I got my own conspiracies
What hides in shadows? Oh yeah
Junkies on a high
Get back, lay down, go low
Subdivision smile
Drink it in, dumb it down, suck it up
As we watch the world burn..."
Also, putting aside the stupidity of blaming a protest for keeping people from their business during a lockdown in the capital district, lmao, are you now saying that nobody has a right to protest at any time? That's a radical position to take and rather contrary to our First Amendment rights, which I've linked below for your continuing education.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution…
Dugan everyone is a pussy compared to your idiotic selfish behavior but you son show by your own actions that you have little regard for the welfare of your wife and children.
Whatever we think our reality is right now during a panic will look totally different a year from now.
I am reluctant to give away massive freedom under the guise of saving lives.
There will be plenty of time to hold people to account, now is not that time.
This is a stupid argument if I’m wrong you’re still fine if you wrong I might be dead.
Look at the freedom we have up for the war on drugs yet drugs are easier to get than ever.
It about setting a precedent. The amount of freedom that could be taken away from us under the guise of saving lives is endless.
Your car emits pollution. Pollution kills millions. You should only be allowed to drive to work and the store.
You’re never going to have absolutely no constraints on you even free speech is not an absolute right to incite others to commit illegal actions
And as far as your car is concerned there is regulations regarding what you can drive where you can drive it, and how much pollution will be allowed to emit
As far as drugs are available there’s more freedom than there was marijuana is legal in many locations
The way I see it we have more freedoms and choices available than in the good old days, it just seems to me that we got a bunch that aren’t keeping up with the times so they’re falling behind and you have politicians that are skilled at exploiting that
You are free to use technology to congregate there’s no one stopping you from being in touch with any one you’d like
Shopping anything you desire is available through technology as well
Travel will be back when enough people think it’s safe until that happens you’re stuck in your spot, but I’m much more confident than you that this will end and you’ll be on your way again.
In theory - yes
The war on drugs was a slogan.
Is this fake news also ?
He makes it about himself every time he opens his mouth, if I were Joe Biden I’d be invoking the equal time rule about those so called press conferences where he blatantly tries to make each and every afternoon a campaign rally
Meanwhile, Joe Biden is hiding in his basement while Nancy Pelosi eats luxury ice cream in her SF mansion.
Small businesses need SBA loans to survive but Pelosi won’t let the House even consider it.
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/20/21225016/p…