Dance count conflict - what would you have done?
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
Had a fun convo about some crap. I then had three low contact dances. Given the low contact, I stayed very aware of the song count.
I handed her 30 for the three 10 dollar marginal dances and she said we did four.
With a smile, I assured her it was three but she insisted four.
Still with a smile I said okay but I'll never get another dance from her and gave another ten.
I probably would have had a couple of dances from her when I visited the club but, now, nada.
Ten bucks is not close to worth SC drama. Still the honey ruined a potential nominal lucrative sc relationship. Baffling.
How do you handle such discrepancies?
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But buying dances is a chump's game. You want her to let you lead it!
FRMOS, save back rooms until it is time for your own pants to cum down.
SJG
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This literally (almost) never happens, and she was a new dancer so it was obvious she was young and too inexperienced to realize she wasn't going to get what she wanted. Plus she wasn't very good in VIP. A 10 body misused through lack of skill is a shame.
Gave her a tip at my table later so she would stop complaining, even though she acknowledged her counting was a little shady. At that point I was still willing to try her again later after some more practice at her craft. By the time I left after doing another room with a different dancer to redeem the visit, her bad attitude got her put on my no fly list.
Generally at my local clubs the dancer acknowledges a new song - if she doesn't I do. Learned this from tuscl early on. No problems, so far.
Save such agreements until you are ready for a block of time for FS in the back room with her.
BUYING DANCES IS A CHUMP'S GAME!
SJG
AMEN!
Front Room Friendliness is better!
SJG
After 3 dances we stop, I handed her the money for the 3 dances and she said we did 5, and I said no we did 3.
She insisted we did 5, I said no we did 3.
She then threatened to call the bouncer/security and I said go ahead, the bouncer came and took her side. I explain to him that it is not the money, it is the principle.
He asked me to go outside to the lobby and once there he said to pay her for the 2 extra dances or I won’t be allowed to go back inside the club.
I immediately ask the guy at the door to call the manager.
The manager came and I explained to him the situation and said “Are we going to have to call the boys in blue to solve this situation?”
The bouncer walked away and the dancer too.
The manager said that it was OK for me to go inside, just don’t talk to them please.
I said OK went inside and acted like nothing happened.
Mentioning the boys in blue sometimes helps.
In the mixed-clubs I hit, it's no so-bad - in the mixed clubs often times most of the songs are around the same-length, and often times the DJ only talks in b/w songs (to announce who the next-dancer is and/or say who just finished her set) - so in the mixed-clubs I can often go off of the DJ since often times he only talks in b/w songs, but in the black clubs the DJ either talks when he wants, or all the time - so easier for me to keep track in the mixed-clubs but I still ask the dancer to let me know every time she starts a new song, and I still use my stop-watch - some mixed-clubs the songs can vary a bit b/w 2.5 to 3.5 minutes so it can at times go by faster than what it feels.
I say all this b/c of my particular clubbing-history, I take extra effort to keep track of songs - thus I'm usually pretty-sure of what I got/did vs what "I think" I did - if I'm in a mixed club and my stopwatch tells me we did 10-minutes worth of songs, that tells me we did 3 songs vs me having to have paid attention or wonder if we actually did more - thus if I used my stopwatch, I rarely will pay for an overcount - if I didn't use my stopwatch then I may have doubts that I may have done more than I thought and I'm more apt to pay-up as long as it's not egregious like I think we did 2 and she says 5 - I might pay for one more than I thought we did *if* I have some doubt where I didn't use my stopwatch to keep track - I'm also more apt to let it slide if the overcount is one-song and it's $10 or less per song - but if it's $20 or more, and I'm sure I didn't do the extra-song, then I won't pay .
I would make it abundantly clear that I would have tipped her more than $10 but since she lied about the dance count she isn't getting any tip from me.
I don't bother with the "you'll never see another dime from me" speech b/c they really don't give a shit (at least not at the moment since they got what they wanted; it may affect them on a future visit when they are not doing well and you won't do deal w/ them).
Over lap dances? Can you imagine how that would go down for a bunch of TUSCLers on cams in clubs that get "ignored" but still work just fine? Why not ask for a bolt of lightning up the ass while you're at it.
In OP’s scenario w dances being only $10/song (what a deal, especially if dancers 6+, I want me some o those, it ain’t that cheap where I club), I’d likely have just paid and not bothered with a hassle over $10.
If dances @$25+ and I’m absolutely certain of count I would not pay the overcount, but that’s never happened because the couple times I’ve suspected overcount I’ve also had bit of a buzz going and was pretty sure but not 100% certain and paid with no tip after some mild objection (I always tip unless dances were awful).
I’ve experienced undercounting more than overcounting cuz at most clubs I go to the VIP dances are sold in sets of 3, so I announce 3 or 6 at the outside. A half dozen times, dancer has said ok that’s it and I said nope that was 2 not 3 (or 5 not 6) because I was 100% certain of count and dancer has always kept going, never disputing.
When I do lapdances, I ask the dancer to tell me the dance count as we go. And if I feel like the dancer is "losing count", I'll occasionally ask "how many dances is that?"
It has been a long time since I've dealt with a bad count.
For the most part I would not want to ruin my fun by letting an over count get to me, so the money and number of songs would be my criteria of how to handle it.
For the $10, I just pay her and move on.
"Still the honey ruined a potential nominal lucrative sc relationship. Baffling."
Not really OP, either she did not view you as a "nominal lucrative SC relationship" or she miscounted.
I have had dancers pull that then 'demand' a tip, I just then laugh at them and walk away.
I was in a nude club where a dancer tried to pull that AND say the dances were $35 when she told me $25. For $50 I will involve management.
I get that, but I try to stay focused. The last couple of times I lost count, which is rare, the dancer did too so we just picked a number. Hell the number I picked was higher than the number the dancer had a couple of weeks back after I'd gotten her naked a few songs back. But some clubs you'll be washing the dishes in back if that's how you roll.
The biggest is how confident I am in the number of dances done. It's not always easy to be sure, and I'm not always putting in that much effort to do so. So, if I'm not really sure I'd just give her the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't blackball her or make any smartass remarks. If I was very confident, I'd make it clear that I know we did 3 but I planned on tipping anyway so she can consider it severance pay.
Things like my mood, if its a club I visit regularly, if I plan to spend time with other girls, etc all influence my actions.
If I had to guess I suspect that's her standard MO. If that fine young honey would learn to give better dances she wouldn't need to over count no doubt..
I've had surprisingly few dance count disputes in all my years of clubbing. If there is any hint of doubt I pay.
I know I’ve only been seriously clubbing for a couple of years but I have only had a couple of girls pull that here.
If I'm in a place where that happens and I want a dance I'll do a couple songs. Not sure I could unless it's I drop a bill and the bouncer turns around. The places where you can feed a machine in the booth are almost acceptable with the right girl.