I really pissed a dancer off
rickdugan
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Simply put, a month or so back I ended up OTC with a Latina who was simply horrible. The whole experience was rushed, tense and there were fundamental service problems that I won't elaborate on here. I'm not remotely difficult to deal with OTC, but for some reason this chick felt it necessary to make the simple very complicated.
Well, long story short, I was pissed and refused to pay her the full amount as she did not accomplish the mission or even really try to. I gave her part of the payment and drove her back to the club, the whole time listening to complaints and other vile venom spewing from her mouth.
Since then, through a combination of my travels and her absence form the club, I had not seen her. But just the other night she was back. The entire time, she was staring daggers at me from across the bar and occasionally came over to tell me "I'm going to destroy you." In response at various points I laughed and winked at her, told her "walk away lazy puta" and made jerk off motions in front of myself. Needless to say, all of this pissed her off even more.
Finally, after the second or third time I told her to walk, she yells in response: "No, you walk! Leave!" I responded, "this is my club bitch, you're just visiting" with a smile and then a wink. I'm a regular in this small club and have a good relationship with the manager and staff, while she only dances there sporadically - I was not remotely worried that she had the juice to have me tossed out.
But what a shit show. Anyone else run into a weird situation like this in a club?
Well, long story short, I was pissed and refused to pay her the full amount as she did not accomplish the mission or even really try to. I gave her part of the payment and drove her back to the club, the whole time listening to complaints and other vile venom spewing from her mouth.
Since then, through a combination of my travels and her absence form the club, I had not seen her. But just the other night she was back. The entire time, she was staring daggers at me from across the bar and occasionally came over to tell me "I'm going to destroy you." In response at various points I laughed and winked at her, told her "walk away lazy puta" and made jerk off motions in front of myself. Needless to say, all of this pissed her off even more.
Finally, after the second or third time I told her to walk, she yells in response: "No, you walk! Leave!" I responded, "this is my club bitch, you're just visiting" with a smile and then a wink. I'm a regular in this small club and have a good relationship with the manager and staff, while she only dances there sporadically - I was not remotely worried that she had the juice to have me tossed out.
But what a shit show. Anyone else run into a weird situation like this in a club?
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If you don't pay
She's gonna say
'Fuck you' all day
I will say
That's not my way
This game to play
Sounds like a lousy lay
I better get back to work, today
w.r.t. not paying the agreed-amount - if the service was poor but she still followed thru, I'll still pay the agreed amount and be done with it - if the interaction was so bad that we couldn't complete the process, then I see a reason to not pay the full-amount.
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The @Dugan winky-face is enough to infuriate anyone. I can certainly understand how she feels ;)
Yeah, I've had a really bad stripper-OTC experience (more like going to the doctors office than sex) and I paid her in full without a second thought. A few hundred dollars isn't worth pissing off some desperate stripper who may need the money to pay her rent.
If she's that desperate, then maybe next time she won't play games when she agrees to go OTC with someone. In the countless OTC encounters I've had, I have never done this before except in a few instances where girls actually passed out before the event. But this girl was just that bad. I'm not running a charity and am not going to reward bad behavior.
Not buying it
Finally, after the second or third time I told her to walk, she yells in response: "No, you walk! Leave!" I responded, "this is my club bitch, you're just visiting" with a smile and then a wink.”
You sound so amiable and laid back. I wonder why she had any problem with you at all. 😱
SJG
But when one of the yippers bares its teeth, it needs a quick whack across the snout or it will mistakenly believe that it can do it again. In her case, she needed several whacks.
Sorry SJG, FRMS would not fix this one.
Baring teeth? Is that the offense she did which you’re reluctant to share? Did she bite your dick? Possibly growl at the same time? Maybe even hump you from behind to prove her dominance?
So now we know what the Douchebag’s real system is: he preys on girls too intoxicated to consent or resist. Sounds like just another sleepy time rapist a la SJG. Well, at least it probably works, unlike the stupid “three piece suit/chemical engineer act.”
Also, perhaps she just needed a little gentle coaching in order to live up to expectations... more bees with honey & all that...
I think he is saying things to them which encourage them to frame the relationship this way.
Once they see that he is comfortable talking about that, and giving them the money, they will know that they should always talk to him like that. So they will text him at the end of the month., And with their first OTC, they will frame it that way. Rick Dugan seems to like it that way.
So he is not really coming on to them in a more standard way, he is presenting it as his generosity and being able to give charity.
SJG
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SJG
@DE: I am the type of man who wanted to take the emotional satisfaction from continuing to come over and run her mouth. After a while it was clear that she was trying to get me to leave, but a silly self entitled girl with a bad attitude doesn't get to decide where I spend my time and money.
@ski: Normally I would just pay the freight too, but I just couldn't get myself to fully reward her bad behavior. Again this is something I never doubt in this instance I felt it was deserved.
@heaving: no tension on my part because I really didn't care what she thought about anything. The only reason I gave her any thought at all is because she kept coming over to run her mouth, at least until she got tired of being taunted for it.
As an aside, I stopped seeing escorts a few years ago mainly because I never liked the time limit scale that they all seem to go by.
Regarding Rick's crazy sounding stripper, I hate drama so I might have just walked away from her but if she persisted I would have either spoke to the manager or walked out of the club.
For example, taunting and pretending to jack off in front of some random ape that pissed you off is being an asshole and, therefore, completely appropriate behavior. My brother from another mother, rickdugan, recognized this.
On the other hand, following said female hairless ape home, leaving a flaming bag of feces outside her door, and ringing the doorbell is being 100% a dick. And kind of psycho. Therefore, said behavior would be off limits.
See how simple that is? Roar!
25, I think context matters. This wasn't some situation where a young girl said something silly and I over-reacted, which is the type of behavior I often criticize (and always will). I showed the patience of Solomon until it was clear that she wasn't going to self-correct. She was staring at me across the bar for almost an hour, and came over to make those silly threats multiple times, before I went that route. Apparently the site of me back in the club was more than she could bear and after a while it became obvious that she was trying to get me to leave.
There was no ego involved. I don't hold grudges over bad behavior by young strippers and I took no pleasure in it. In fact, I felt a bit guilty about it, but at some point enough is enough. She was disrupting my night and, much like a badly misbehaving child, it was clear that she wasn't going to stop without some strong negative reinforcement.
And it is from this dynamic that there is still a large potential for crossed wires and meltdowns.
SJG
And judging from her subsequent behavior, she sounds like she could be one of those individuals who’s psycho enough to have her BF commit one of those 2AMers we’re always reading about.
End of story, it just ain’t worth it
Dugan needs to stick with those hard times girls that need help at the end of the month.
SJG
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SJG
If she's willing to lie her ass off about what happened, and where, it could conceivably cause you problems with the club. Had a girl pull that bullshit at one of the local clubs. One of her OTC regulars came into the club and happened to sit with another dancer (who is hotter but doesn't do anything in or out, as far as I know), and had the guy barred out, claiming he was "stalking" her! She actually thought he'd keep seeing her after that. :D Talk about "poisoning the well."
An older AA kinda hood dancer I had known for a while - she was medium-build but had natural super-firm DDs thus my type - I had known her for a while and would get dances from her most of my visits (it was a small dive club w/ usually single-digit # of dancers and not much new-blood coming in) - she had a temper-issue and an attitude - we had never gotten into it but I had seen her get into her w/ other people and at times she was a bit of a PITA for me to be w/ her in that she at times would get a bit bitchy but nothing major that would get in the way of me enjoying her massive-Double-Ds- she seemed kinda bipolar - some days she was very cool and other days kinda bitchy - when she drank she was usually more chill but with time she started drinking less and her bitchy attitude would show more.
I'm not much of an OTCer - one slowish night at the dive-club she asked me if I wanted to get a hotel-room - this dive was different than the other clubs in the area - kinda opened later near 5pm and closed early around 1am (sooner if it was slow) which is not the norm for Miami clubs which close b/w 4 and 6 am and usually open by noon or so (this dive was more of a rundown-bar w/ naked chicks than a club) - anyway she propositioned the hotel-room and I thought what the heck - we get to the room and all of a sudden she started acting weird like if she was some kinda virgin - she didn't wanna do anything (after I had given her the $$$) and she kept stalling - we finally fucked for about 2-minutes while she's was on-me FCG and she claims she came and wants to stop - it was obvious to me she didn't wanna be there nor do anything (after I had given her the $$$ and she had been the one w/ the idea about the hotel-room) - after she said she wanted to stop I said ok but my facial-expression said something else but I didn't verbalize it (was just willing to cut-my-loses) - she asked what was wrong and I told her why she had asked me to come to a hotel-room w/ her and then not wanna do anything - she then got all-hood on me talking loud and making it out as if somehow I was the one w/ the problem - anyway, obviously a train-wreck situation with what I believe was a mentally unstable person - I'm not one to normally argue, I'll have a discussion and if it's not getting anywhere then I just stop all interaction vs getting into it and not solving anything - which is what I did w/ her - but she kept popping off at the mouth and being nasty as if taking-it-out on me for w/e shit may be going in her life.
As I said, I had known her for a while - so when we were at the club we had actually driven to her apartment for her to drop off the car and then go in my car to the hotel-room that was farther away (thinking about it now IDK why we just didn't drive in separate cars - perhaps I thought she wanted to hang for a while and ride w/ me, or maybe she didn't wanna drive farther to the hotel-room, IDK - again we had know each other for a while at the club) - anyway we are leaving the room and I'm quiet wanting this to be over but she continues copping a hood attitude talking-loud and cussing - I'd had enough of her and didn't want her unstable ass in my car - we get to the motel parking-lot, I get in my car, and leave her ass behind.
About 2 hours later I get a text from her saying something like "you better look out for my peoples" - could've been genuine but I really didn't give a fuck and I don't get scared that easily from anyone's threats - I mostly took it as her wanting to scare me which didn't work.
This dive-club was sorta in my rotation but not near the top so I didn't visit as often as other clubs in my rotation - this chick also had a regular fulltime job and thus wasn't always at the club and she would go strecthes w/o being at the club.
Maybe a month later I was back at the club and she approaches me - she didn't threaten me or anything but started talking-down-to-me and again making it out to be as if I was the one to blame for what had happened - I didn't wanna deal w/ her and her unstable-ass so I told her I didn't wanna discuss it but she kept at it and again making it out to be as if I was the one w/ the issue - I'd had enough of her and I started getting heated and raising my voice (and why I rather not engage if we can't reach an agreement b/c I know if things escalate there's a chance I will go off) - she kept telling me to lower my voice but I was pretty-pissed by now and my Cubaness coming-out - eventually she just went on her way that night and we avoided each other for a while (in large part b/c I didn't visit that club as often as other clubs and she danced on-and-off) - eventually we sorta made-up in the sense that after a couple of months she approached me at the club as if nothing had happened and she didn't bring up the hotel-issue again - although I started getting dances from her in the club I knew better than to interact w/ her much further than that and she knew better than to get bictchy w/ me if she wanted my business which was needed at this small dive.
So this was one of the few-times things went sideways w/ me w/ a dancer and particularly in the realm of OTC since I don't OTC much.
Some of these chicks have issues that at times will come out (sometimes under certain settings since often times in the club they know better than to misbehave if they wanna keep working there) - sure, the "smart thing" is to cut one's losses but sometimes these chicks wanna instigate drama and one at times needs push back and not let them punk your ass.
You're stating the obvious
SJG
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But really isn't it better to have good intimate rapport with the girl before trying OTC, like FROMOS, then back room maximum, then talk about OTC.
And I think Dugan steers it to these kind of need charity scripts, and this could contribute to crossed wires and a blow up.
SJG
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Hell yea. You could dance st Babydolls Dallas! They got strong mixed drinks!
The image you paint of this scene is a pretty humorous one though I gotta say. Please tell me you were wearing a white suit while making those masturbatory movements.
Not sure what stick was up the ape’s ass but she got on my nerves. I knew I couldn’t put the fear of rick into her in my sweats so I drove home, suited up, and went back to the bus stop. She had left by the time I got back but I decided to spend an hour drinking gimlets, miming masturbation, and dancing around while yelling “wildebeest!” Good times, good times!
But there were no cubs or apelings at the bus stops. Being an asshole in front of cubs or apelings is not rickish.
Anyhoo, since that day I always wear suits while traveling. Around home I wear my birthday suit. ROAR!!!
===> "^ I like that a preOTC maybe we can get a template from one of our legal experts 😂"
LOL. Only on this site is there confusion about minimum expectations when a stripper leaves a club in the dead of night with a customer and goes directly to a notel with him. 😉
Dugan's System, it beats calling escort ads. Call such an ad and you and the woman have never met, but you are slated to proceed.
Far better to meet first at a strip club, then decide if you want to proceed.
And best to minimize dance buying in strip clubs, as that is bullshit.
But that is as far as the benefits of The System go.
I feel that Dugan's approach is a quintessential example of paying the woman to go away. And that he likes to do it around this end of the month rent help narrative seems to be something selected to further enforce this.
SJG
I'd think of it more as a waitress who spends the whole night bitching, on her phone instead of working, and takes so long to bring your food out that it goes cold and has to be re-cooked, causing you to be late for a movie you were trying to catch later that night. After all that shit, it makes sense to not tip her even if you normally always give waitresses a 20% tip as a courtesy.