A Californian of course. A place where they spend like the party will never end. In the meantime, they have massive unfunded pension liabilities that they cannot conceivably pay in the future and a casino budget, heavily reliant on capital gains taxes, that is just one market downturn away from a complete collapse. This is especially true since high income earners are now fleeing the state in droves, which has already sent their December income tax collections far below expectation and is expected to keep hurting in 2019.
But sure nem, please do continue to lecture us on the Trump experiment. ;)
Not saying Trump is horrible, but y'all don't want pence as prez. Your best bet is to let go of impeachment and hope Kamala Harris beats Trump in 2020.
Impeachment twats really are hoping that impeachment means there will be a run off election but that's not even close. It doesn't even mean he will be out of office.
Either way, in 2024 i will be old enough to run. Nicespice will be my first lady
Nem- the impeachment process is long. Plus it doesn't even mean Trump will leave office. At absolute best, it would hurt Trump's reelection campaign in 2020.
Morally impeachment would be the right thing to do. But the Senate won't do shit and it could look like a partisan attack. Better to let the voters decide in 2020.
At this point, if Trump were impeached and removed from office, the Republican voters would be so worked up that it would be difficult to beat the Republican candidate (likely Pence) in the next election. The Democrats know this.
The smart move is to campaign against a weakened candidate (Trump) who has slipping popularity with moderate voters.
You folks aware of recent news that more than half the country believes he is the victim of a witch Hunt? Aware of the fact that his approval rating at this point in his presidency is higher than the recent Presidents? The Democrats will turn hard left and manage to lose.
Prior to the election most were aware that he was a crooked businessman. The ALT was a crooked institution. That’s why he got elected.
He’s not doing a horrible job and hence why the left is so butthurt because he is making progress. That said, Biden will probably be your Prez in 2021.
I think impeachment would fail and be voted down purely on party lines. Far too divisive an option. I do wish a couple of conservatives with less baggage would throw their hats in the ring necessitating a republican primary. I would gladly vote against Trump (unless the choice is one of the ultra-liberals the Dems are propping up).
Strongly disagree. My business has never been better and that’s all I give a fuck about. Make money so I can continue to support the bitches on the pole! Lol
"If we change our times with the sole intent of increasing the amount of daylight we receive, that’s an extra hour of sun shine that will warm the planet. That’s one extra hour per day of extra heat warming our already unstable planet. We need to repeal Daylight Savings Time as a primary measure to decrease the rate of climate change. Less hours of sun shine equal less heat hitting Earth’s surface. We’re running out of time!"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Of course this is likely not factual. but certainly within her capacity of stupid!
Impeachment was meant to address serious issues like abuse of power and gross dereliction of duty, not political differences or wild accusations of wrongdoing with little supporting evidence. It would be a pointless exercise as there has been nothing to date that is going to convince 67 Senators to vote yes. All it will do is cause further polarization and division.
Also, to be clear, I was pissed off when the House voted to impeach Clinton as well. What a massive waste of time and resources to beat up a sitting President. It was a dark time for the Republican Party.
Obvious grounds for impeachment:
-The economy is booming
-Trade deals are being written
-Unemployment is down
-Iran deal squashed
-Peace talks with North Korea
-Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
-ISIS is near total destruction…
Lol. You cons are so easily triggered. You’re arguing with yourselves. The only post in favor of impeachment is Nem’s and only sorta. You guys are so convinced that the left wants to impeach. Witch hunt. Butt hurt over losing. Conspiracy. Deep state. Morons. Pelosi has said that anyone in her party advocating for impeachment is wrong but you probably think she’s saying that to trick you. Trump is always the victim.
Jimmy, the question is not whether we believe her. I do and I think others here do as well. She's been around for a long time and she knows that it will likely hurt the Dems more than help them, especially those in less secure districts.
The question is whether she has enough control over her caucus to prevent some of the more radical members, of course hailing from secure districts, from forcing a vote on articles of impeachment. Time will tell I suppose.
When was the last time the dems didn’t vote as a block? Pelosi has rock solid control. As does Schumer. Impeachment is fake news. Won’t happen unless Mueller finds direct evidence that Trump knew what his campaign was doing with Russia. Not likely.
You might also have missed the vote for articles of impeachment made by the 2017-2018 Congress, sponsored by Al Green, for which 58 Democrats voted yes. Now 58 is far short of 218, but I bet they'd get a lot more today with the new crop of House members.
Flagooner said "How much has been spent on the witch hunt?"
A mere fraction of what has been spent on the Zumwalt-class destroyer program (as a single example), which is a complete mess as a weapons platform, everyone knows it, but no one (Democrats or Republicans) will reign it in because of the jobs it provides in numerous states and industry sectors.
The Mueller investigation is barely beer money compared to many other government programs that everyone agrees are fantastically dysfunctional but won't shut down for political / special interest reasons.
Also, I remember the Democrats asking the exact same question when President Clinton was being raked over coals for years by Ken Starr and the end result was catching Clinton lying about a blow job. And I strongly suspect that Clinton's is not the only cum stain that has had to be scrubbed out of the Oval Office rug.
Regardless of what you think of the Mueller investigation, no major or even minor programs are floundering because of his work.
@Rick. Fair point. As they said about the Obamacare votes by republicans ‘now they are shooting with live ammo.’ My comment about a united block in the House was overstated. I maintain they won’t seriously move to impeach unless Mueller turns up something clear and convincing. Since Trump doesn’t use email and the Russians are smart enough not to directly link to him, they won’t find that evidence. Trump is president for at least the remainder of his term.
@CallMeRetard
Referencing it to something else is such a lazy exercise.
If you own a home I'm sure you consider that purchase to be significant. I'm willing to bet it is "A mere fraction" or "barely beer money " compared to what has been spent on the "investigation".
Flagooner said "If you own a home I'm sure you consider that purchase to be significant."
If it's the only home I own, then yes. It's significant. But, if I'm a real estate developer with dozens or even hundreds of large/varied properties, then a single small property that might not be the best purchase isn't cause for pearl clutching.
The federal government is the equivalent of a real estate developer that owns thousands of "properties" in the form of federal programs and budgets. The Mueller investigation costs are miniscule in comparison to other programs desperately in need of reform.
"I'm willing to bet it is 'A mere fraction' or "barely beer money " compared to what has been spent on the 'investigation'."
That's an actual faulty analogy, comparing federal government spending to private citizen investments.
Also, keep in mind that while roughly half of nation does not believe in the investigation, roughly half the nation does believe that the investigation is warranted. Nobody will know for sure until the results are released.
So, I'll wait for that. Keep in mind that I'm not convinced that Mueller has anything actionable on Trump. But of all the things that concern me about the investigation, the budget is far down on that list.
^ So your position seems to be that it's okay to waste money on one thing because there is more waste elsewhere.
Using that logic I guess you think it's okay for a police officer to kill unarmed innocent black men because there are a lot more murders commited by civilians in the United States.
Flagooner said "So your position seems to be that it's okay to waste money on one thing because there is more waste elsewhere."
No. My position is that in any massive bureaucracy, there is waste. If your priority is to address waste in any meaningful way, then you target the larger, most significant examples. Looking to save pennies in one small sector while knowingly burning through cash in another area does not mean that you care about waste. It only means you don't like how that small amount of money is being spent.
Also, we don't know if Mueller's investigation is a waste. We have a lot of opinions, but few facts. Not yet.
It would be great if every single government program was 100% efficient and there was zero government waste, but that's a bigger fantasy than the Harry Potter books.
"Using that logic I guess you think it's okay for a police officer to kill unarmed innocent black men because there are a lot more murders commited by civilians in the United States."
Also no, because I don't find any equivalency between police shootings with racial implications and... you know... federal budget management.
"Negotiating $50 off the cost of a new Mercedes has the same net impact of negotiating $50 off the cost of extras."
That ignores savings as a percentage function, which is a significant factor.
If you negotiate $50 off the cost of a $100 blowjob. Then your net savings is
50%. Well done!
If you negotiate $50 off of a $70,000 Mercedes, then your net savings is 0.07%. That's significantly less impressive. Not meaningless, but pretty damn close.
But if I can negotiate $10,000 off the cost of that Mercedes, then that has a much greater impact than negotiating the price tag on a $100 blowjob.
The damage the Mueller investigation has done to this country is beyond enormous and it has nothing to do with money. China and Russia have been emboldened by it; pretend allies like Turkey know they can do the things that should get them booted from NATO with impunity; a nuclear war almost occurred between Pakistan and India and not one of the morons we call our fwellow Am,ericans noticed. Obama plainly said he was aware of the Ruyssians interfering and did nothing because he didn't want to influence the lection and yet that fucking retard is some kind of icon to the Democrats because no one has made a big deal about the fact he let it happen. The effect on me is simple: I now view democrats as my mortal enbemies instead of political opponents. The Federal Government is the enemy of the American people.
@ski - I’m going to regret asking this but I’ve heard arguments from the right that the Russian interference had no impact on the 2016 election. Do you share that view? I’ve also heard the argument you made that it was Obama’s fault for doing nothing about it. If Obama’s inaction had no effect than why are you critical of what he didn’t do?
How do those two points reconcile?
Or are you saying that Obama’s inaction is the reason Trump got elected and that you’re mad about that?
Has it not occurred to anyone that, if Russia did interfere, that they were playing both sides with the intention of causing exactly the type of chaos that they did? After all, most of that bogus intel in the Steele dossier came from a Russian operative. Seems to me that Russia got exactly what they wanted from all of this and the mainstream press were all too willing to help.
My view is that the Russians wanted the left/right divide to deepen into hatred in order to paralyze our Government. I don't believe they ever believed Americans were stupid enough to be taken in by bullshit on social media and vote accordingly. I appear to have been wrong, but I never anticipated that NUY, Wapo, CNN, Msnbc would be so taken in that they would ignore the fact that they should publish the news and simply became anti Trump rags. I blame Obama for letting the divide worsen by noty calling out the Russians immediately. I blame him for not calling out the Russians when he was in power, instead doing it like a simp as a private citizen, and more than that I blame him for being a pussy and throwing sanctions on the Russians as he left office. Trump was elected due to the fact that left wingers read the aforementioned fake news sites and that most Americans don't. They are just as stupid as when they nominated Kerry and looked befuddled when he lost. Clinton lost. Trump didn't win. I am not mad Trump won. I wouldn't and didn't vote for him, but I no longer considerDemocrats to be Americans so I will never vote for them. It is time to end all immigration. All of it and deport every friggen illegal.
CA is doing very well thank you. What budgetary problems there are can be traced entirely to when voters were duped into passing Prop 13 and decoupling real estate prices from property taxes. But even this will eventually be worked out.
@Ski - btw, I am also horrified that the escalation between India and Pakistan barely got covered for a minute.
Similarly, the pro Trumpers were so focused on keeping him out of impeachment that they shrugged off the fact that Mueller seems to have proven that the Russians are Guccifer 2.0 and connected to Assange/Wikileaks and still nobody is doing anything about it.
@CallMeMoron
Less impressive, true. But $50 is $50.
I'm not saying that there isn't more waste elsewhere. It seems you are saying that since there is so much other waste the govt should be free to waste in other programs so long as it is on a smaller scale.
You, sir, are an idiot.
Not to mention a racist for not caring about cops killing unarmed innocent black men.
Nawww... guy I don't know on the internet calls me mean names. It's adorable.
"It seems you are saying that since there is so much other waste the govt should be free to waste in other programs so long as it is on a smaller scale."
Still wrong, but I don't see that trend improving. I'm saying that of all the things one might worry about regarding the Mueller investigation, the cost is far down on the list. But if your big worry is budget efficiency, then tackle the big stuff before focusing on the smaller line items.
Feel free to interpret that incorrectly... again.
"Not to mention a racist for not caring about cops killing unarmed innocent black men."
Nawww... guy I don't know on the internet is trying to bait me into a flame war about race because he doesn't like being called out for faulty reasoning.
No fan of Trump, but impeachment is a process and it will be long and drawn out, we are well into the third year of the Trump presidency, instead of running down all these rabbit holes doesn’t any one think it will be more productive to find a candidate that can win and work on that instead of this endless dramatic saga of Orange is the New Black
Impeachment seems to be on, centering on 1. 60 subpoena's the House has issued, 2. Getting the Muller Report, 420 votes to zero, 3. Getting Trump's Tax Returns, 4. Court case against his Emergency Declaration, 5. Rashida Tlaib filing new articles of impeachment.
Impeachment is a political act, not a legal act. As long as dems control the House, impeachment is very possible. Getting a 2/3 conviction in the Senate is something else.
If the Dems impeach Trump, it will have a backlash like the Reps got when they impeached Bill.
I think it's pretty-much all out war on Trump - it's more about weakening him as much as possible for 2020 vs impeachment or anything else (since it's unlikely he will be impeached given the Republican controlled Senate).
I think I heard Mueller is looking into possible Trump campaign finance improprieties - seems this is beyond the so-called collusion and looking to get/weaken him anyway possible.
Papi posted: "I think I heard Mueller is looking into possible Trump campaign finance improprieties - seems this is beyond the so-called collusion and looking to get/weaken him anyway possible."
This leaped way beyond the ridiculous collusion narrative many months ago. When all is said and done, Mueller's legacy is going to be one of a partisan hatchet man who used the criminal justice system as a political weapon. Further, if Dems continue to make it acceptable to use the criminal justice system in this way, they are going to set dangerous precedents that go far beyond this President and create a lot of bad consequences.
For example, one thing that distinguishes us from Banana Republics is the peaceful transition of power. What do we think will happen if Presidents start to fear prosecution, by people eager to retaliate against them, once they leave power? The reason that dictators in many countries hold on for dear life, whatever the cost, is because they know what will happen once they are ousted. In the past, our elected leaders understood this, especially newly elected Presidents. Now I just don't trust the ability of our elected Democrats to overcome their emotional hatred and see the bigger picture.
Let’s get real all of you Trump fans here, the man is shit, his continued use of John McCain as a diversion from his own failings is disgusting, and beneath contempt. Any of you guys ever served in the armed services should know dead American soldiers gave their lives for you to be able to argue as Democrats or Republicans, I have been to many veterans cemeteries I’ve never seen a D or an R on the headstone nor have I seen conservative or liberal on a headstone Trump is beyond shameful, I’m not for impeachment because he doesn’t deserve that what he deserves is to lose the next election to a genuine patriot, fuckn bunch of retards.
Yes I feel strongly about this
Republicans appointed him to investigate collusion, not to go on a multi-year fishing expedition. The same Republicans who appointed him have long since called for him to wrap this up.
@25: Feel free to jump in with more specifics. Of course, you're one of those people who moved to Florida from NY and started voting for the same types of people who fucked thing up in your former state, which just makes me shake my head. For some reason you love the anti-economic growth, anti-Jewish political party.
^ please Dugan don’t characterize my politics to fit your narrative you don’t know what you’re talking about as usual and when it comes to Trump you are a myopic little ankle biter yourself.
This is a real issue as your man keeps trying to politicize the military, their allegiance is to the constitution not a president, yes he’s the CIC but outside of that he has never served anyone or thing and he is inherently disloyal, and a coward to boot. Took him two years to make a visit to a theatre he has ordered men and women to, got all kinds of deferments back in the day, plenty of wealthy families had children serve so stop your bullshit, he was elected to represent us not bully us, once elected he had a responsibility that he never lived up to, don’t equate my politics with your stupidity, I’ve probably voted for more republicans than you have, so knock it off, I’m not some simpleton like you’re used to arguing with doesn’t matter you disagree with me politically or not, there is a lot of references to my ethnicity in your replies to me. I’m gonna agree with Countryman that you’re a bigoted son of a bitch, and probably a real jackass in real life.
@25: I actually don't like Trump at all as a person, but I very much like his policies and he's been the most effective President in the modern era outside of perhaps Reagan. Not sure what you meant when you claimed that he is bullying "us" though. Do you really feel bullied by him? Because I don't.
Oh, and to be clear, I thought I was references your former religion, not your ethnicity. I actually pegged you for German ancestry when you used a German version of the word for "unclean" (trefe) in another thread instead of the commonly used Yiddish versions (treif, tref or treyf). But I could be wrong. ☺
Hey, tying the two together, I just read an article that had the following summary: "President Trump said the time has come for the U.S. to recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the long-disputed Golan Heights between Israel and Syria." L'chayim I say, though you might say Prost instead. ;)
There have been boom and bust economy since long before the USA existed.... that is a part of human psychology not economics. But here is a great read on some historical booms and busts
Bust i 1873, first of these global capitalist recessions. But in 1929. After that we used the ideas of John Maynard Keynes. For 40 years, very few problems.
Boom and bust does play on human psychology. But it is the role of the federal gov't to keep it under control.
Then after Reagan got into office and gutted our progressive income tax, the boom and bust cycle started up again. I lose count. But I do see that we are worse off after each cycle.
You can have employment busts when most of the economy serves only very soft needs, like making new cars.
This what did it in the '30's, allowed for unemployment in excess of 25%.
But today, the need for labor has continued to decrease. Residual Keynessianism is the only thing keeping the busts within some bounds.
Industrial technology gives as the potential to provide for everyone, better than royalty had lived in past times. But our Capitalist Economic system continues to turn it into a huge mess.
In my opinion Mueller never had a chance, he was fucked coming and going. If he doesn't turn over every stone, go down every path, then the left would say he gave Trump a pass. If he does do that you get Trump and the nutty right start screaming things like "with hunt".
As of yet (I personally don't think it exists) there's nothing to warrant impeachment. The people calling for it are angry and really don't understand it, they were the people calling for it the day he was elected. Democrat politicians, with a few exceptions, don't really want it either. The ones that say they do are simply pandering to their base and/or grabbing a soundbite.
That is not a personal attack SJG, That is just the truth..... all you want is for someone else to work hard and pay your way. Equality of results and I do not believe in equal results.
@dugan - “I actually don't like Trump at all as a person, but I very much like his policies and he's been the most effective President in the modern era outside of perhaps Reagan.“
Trump gets a lot (too much IMO) of credit for this. He was handed a republican majority in both houses of Congress. Plus McConnell handed him a Supreme Court seat that should have gone to Obama. And with his congressional majority and a court that was at least balanced and more likely right leaning, he still struggled to get what he wanted done. He had to have the senate change the 60 vote filibuster rule to get gorsuch and kavanaugh confirmed. He struggled to get Obamacare neutered. Struggled to get the tax law passed. He’s increased the deficit in a booming economy. We’re going to be paying for that bigly when the economy hits a recession. He got his party destroyed in the midterms.
So, fine, praise his success. But does he deserve credit for it or was he just the beneficiary of the republicans controlling all 3 branches of government? How will he do in the next year or more when he doesn’t have full control of the government? I think McConnell is more deserving of the credit for all of “Trump’s accomplishments” than Trump is.
The Republicans had a majority in both houses, but that in no way means that Trump had a majority. McCain and his butt hurt cronies were never going to help Trump and completely undermined the party (and hurt the country) through selfishness and pettiness.
As for the deficit. That, not the environment, is the biggest issue we face.
Unless you believe we should just print $20T and pay it off, SMH at that stupidity.
Anyway...
Is congress in charge of the budget or the president? Trump got blamed for "shutting down the govt" but he is to blame for the increased deficit too? He gets sued for writing a legal EO that DIVERTS funds that are already approved because Congress doesn't want the President to have the authority but then he gets blamed for the deficit. Can't have it both ways.
Even with microcopic rates, interest payments on the debt cripple any ability to have a balanced budget. Add to that the cost of Obamacare and the ongoing fighting overseas that were present when he enterred office....
And, yes, Presidents like Quarterbacks and coaches, get more praise and blame than they deserve. But Trump's policies have had a positive impact and are Making America Great Again.
Jimmy, only two elected Presidents since Eisenhower did not have the same conditions at some point, usually at the outset of their Administrations. And, per the usual, the pendulum eventually swung the other way and they lost control of one or both houses. It is part of the political cycle.
But I'll give you that Reagan was an exception since he never had full control, but still accomplished extraordinary things. I will also add though that the Democratic Party of yesteryear was not the same that exists today, but rather a more reasonable version that was careful in picking a fight with a President that won by a landslide.
Jimmy, GW Bush had it as well and he squandered the fuck out of it. Obama had it and did almost nothing besides pass that atrocious health care legislation. Clinton had it as well and his landmark pieces of legislation were welfare reform and NAFTA, neither of which is endearing him to the current crop of Dems.
Dugan - You’re saying most presidents with a majority in Congress can pass legislation in line with their agenda (W aside). So you’re agreeing with me that Trump did what any republican would have. Nothing special about this guy.
Jimmy, some can, some can't. I measure effectiveness on results and it is hard to argue that the tax cuts, which have been stunningly stimulative to the economy in too many ways to easily list. So too has his use of executive power to reign in various regulatory agencies and open up needed gas/oil pipelines. He also effectively obtained relief from miserable Obamacare mandates while opening up the insurance market - some for now and more to follow I suspect. He has also redrafted several trade deals, to our net long-term benefit. He is also replenishing our military. He is also the first President to have the guts to formally move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
I could go on, but I won't. The guy has been very busy doing everything in his power to keep his campaign commitments. He doesn't always succeed, but at least he's trying, which is more than can be said for many of our more recent former Presidents.
One thing that irks me though is the budget deficit. I was not happy that Republicans couldn't do more to reign in spending when the tax cuts were passed. We needed something to give the economy a jolt, but I don't want us to rob Peter to pay Paul. We also have a looming Social Security and Medicare crisis that no president, including Trump, has the guts to try to tackle. I am concerned that collective political cowardice is going to lead us into an epic crisis that our children and grandchildren are going to be forced to confront.
Suffice to say we disagree on his successes and whether his actions caused any of the effects. My responses would be typical of what you’d hear on CNN so I’ll spare everyone that. Btw, that last sentence is something I never thought I’d write. I’m still a registered republican and Trump is the only republican presidential candidate in my lifetime for whom I didn’t vote.
^ so the tax cuts were good yet you’re worried about the budget deficit talk about wanting you’d cake and eating it too.
A bit of historical fact for you the last time the national debt was paid off was in 1835 under President Andrew Jackson.
And in modern times the only balanced budgets were once with Richard Nixon three times with Bill Clinton once under George W. Bush but that was really a holdover from the Clinton era.
Trump is failing miserably on the concerns you’ve mentioned, but sure his campaign promises are being kept, right SMH
ISIS was defeated yesterday. They are gone. Kaput. They no longer exist.
Of course, the mainstream media is giving this HUGE achievement almost no coverage.
Incidentally, ISIS was largely a result of the Obama pull out from Iraq, along with arms shipments by the US to the moderate rebels ( also know as ISIS ) in Syria.
25: Obama ran us up from $11 to 20 trillion during his time in office. And yes, I'm not thrilled that Trump has added another 2 trillion since.
But if you look objectively at what flag, mark, I and others have posted, then yes, he's doing everything to keep his promises. What he has accomplished on a number of fronts is remarkable. Go back and look at the last few Presidents and see what they promised vs. what they did, or even tried to do, and you'll find a lot more daylight than between those same metrics for Trump. Now plenty of people don't like what he promised, but that's another matter entirely.
I know his corporate history as well as you do. I wouldn't lend an organization owned by him a fire extinguisher if their offices were ablaze. I also wish that the President that we saw during the State of the Union is the one that we always have rather than this skin-skiinned one who spends way too much time on Twitter. But I can't fault his policy positions, outside of immigration, or his willingness to do whatever he can to keep his campaign promises.
@Rick Dugan that’s the problem you guys aren’t looking at it objectively, I actually am, my fear is one of those far left wingers get elected as a counterpoint to this over arching extreme right wing overreach, you can’t tout all of his accomplishments without acknowledging his failures and as far as I can see his followers tend to think that there aren’t consequences to come.
I’d be satisfied if he’d stop acting like a buffoon and started representing everyone as a President should.
25, who isn't he representing? Don't we all benefit from a much stronger economy and more modern national defense? It's the very epitome doing things to benefit all. I'm also not sure I'm on board with "extreme right wing overreach" - what specifically?
I also don't believe that the country is going to run to the far left. I just don't think that wack jobs like Bernie or Warren are electable in a national election. In fact, I'm fervently hoping that one of the extremists wins the Dem nomination. My biggest fear is that a more purportedly centrist type, like O'Rourke or Biden, will win the primaries and bleed away Independent and moderate voters who find Trump's personality to be distasteful. But if it comes down to a match between Trump and someone who wants to take away employer sponsored healthcare and jack up individual taxes, I very much like Trump's chances.
But I'll agree with you at least about his behavior and I think it is hurting him now.
I also think the Dems are now extremely vulnerable on the abortion issue given what NY just passed. You won't find many moderates who are ok with the killing of a viable baby jus because it hasn't come out yet. A number of those extremists are Senators who are now on record voting against life saving measures for babies that survive abortions. Good luck to them defending that one during a general election.
My personal opinion is that lack of fiscal responsibility by all of our elected officials is going to be the cause of a downward spiral in this country, that coupled with our governments lack of citizen oversight is the real problem here, realistically who approved these folks living in the grand manner that they seem to think they’re entitled to. It is fucking obscene, senators, congressmen, being chauffeured in limos, eating thousand dollar lunches, free air travel, that is the real problem, these fucks have health care, vacations, all sorts of perks from a barbershop to a tailor all paid for by the taxpayers. Let them live in a dorm, and brown bag lunch, they work less than a full week most leave Washington on Thursday and return on Monday what’s that a three day work week plus they are not even in session 10 full months a year. That’s why this country is in trouble.
Lazy fuckers all, from the President on down, this is no way to run a country.
All this baseless impeachment talk is just a bunch of sore losers crying because their candidate lost. Now they want to change the rues, eliminate the Electoral College, give 16 year old kids the vote, "crazy"!
It reminds me of the Sore-Loserman bumper stickers from 2000.
Remember them?
Never had a President with these sorts of foreign business entanglements, or with this talk of foreign election tampering, or who actually spoke to encourage such, or with the evidence that some was done via this Cambridge Analytica and Facebook.
A fluke nomination, prominent Republicans denouncing him, including past nominees McCain and Romney, and past President Bush.
Never had a President with this level of financial intrigue, bullying banks to forgive $3Gig , but then seemingly being able to use that to pay no tax?
Never had a recent candidate who refused to disclose tax returns.
Never had a President who had to be overruled by SCOTUS so many times.
Never had a President who seems to encourage right wing mob violence.
Rumor is, there are a couple dozen sealed indictments just waiting for the end of Muellers investigation. It’s all the people who are behind the fake Steele dossier, lying to the FISA court, lying to Congress, and leaking to the press. Comey, Brennan, McCabe, the Ohrs, and on and on. These are actual crimes with tons of evidence in the form of texts and emails. There have also been rumors that some of the guilty have already been flipped.
^ The trap is set The Muellar Report, is going to be the first shot in the 2020 election, if it’s not released will be proof that the president and his people consider themselves above the law, if it is released but redacted, will be another problem, if it’s released in its entirety will either help or hurt the president, I predict that it will be redacted and cause the president to lose the election.
Of course there are going to be redacted sections, if for no other reason than the classifed nature of some of the sources. There are no other indictments being recommended, hence none of the players are being charged with collusion, treason, conspiracy to commit election fraud or anything else of a serious nature related to Russia. I give more credit to the American people to understand all of this once the dust settles and the ridiculous noise finally subsides. I also believe that, once Trump wins re-election in 2020, he will pardon those former advisers who were casualties in this political witch hunt.
^^ My read of this is looks like we have a bit of news but we don’t know exactly what that news is yet; my thoughts were educated guesses, based on the three scenarios posited by Hannity on Fox News unless you guys are Bob Barr or Rod Rosenstein I doubt you know any more than I do.
President hasn’t commented as yet leading me to believe that this isn’t so positive for him, as you think.
Obama politicized the DOJ and FBI. He put loyalists, like Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, in place to do his personal bidding. They repeatedly broke the law to harm his political opponents, further his agenda, and cover up his misdeeds.
Hillary Clinton did the same thing in the State Dept.
If Hillary Clinton had been elected, none of this would have been known. That’s why people like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were so reckless in texting their misdeeds. That’s why Loretta Lynch met Bill Clinton to craft a strategy for protecting Hillary on the email server. They assumed the deep state would protect them. They left a long trail of evidence implicating themselves.
When Trump was elected, the only way they could protect themselves was to bring Trump down. A small group of senior political appointees, maybe 25 to 50 in number, went all in to undercut Trump. Leaks of classified info. Lies to Congress. Most importantly, forcing the appointment of a Special Counsel to investigate Trump. As long as the SC was operating, they were safe. Any move on them would be portrayed as interference in the SC investigation. That strategy worked, until now.
However, a parallel investigation has been quietly going on behind the scenes. The DOJ Inspector General has been collecting evidence of the wrongdoing of the group that has been trying to bring Trump down. He has passed this info on to the US Attorney in Utah who Jeff Sessions ordered to investigate these matters. Now that Mueller is done, all that evidence can see the light of day.
i wouldn't read too much into Trump showing rare restraint by not yet commenting on the report until he knows what's in it. The Attorney General just received it yesterday afternoon and, from all report, it is long, likely breaking down every action taken by Mueller's team and including various Exhibits. Ridiculous ankle biters like Booker, Harris and Warren know full well that the report will take time to analyze and will likely need to be redacted to protect classified sources, yet that hasn't stopped them from posting entirely disingenuous and rabble rousing "Release Now" comments.
I am glad that this report was submitted now instead of several months from now. There are still 20 months until the general election and we know that Dems are going to latch on and spin pieces of this report, regardless of whether there is any underlying proof or substance, because sadly that is all they are good for right now. The long window provides sufficient time for the noise and hyperbole to run its course and for the reality that nobody was charged with anything remotely approaching collusion to sink in.
Net-net I don't think that this is going to help the Dems at all. In fact, if they spend the next 20 months on endless investigations and fishing expeditions despite the lack of any collusion-related charges against anyone, I think they are going to give back control of the house to Republicans. Bookmark these comments now. ;)
Unsubstantiated further investigations will only serve to support the witch hunt claims and hurt the dems for being the petty, vindictive, sore losers that they are.
25, this guy built a real estate empire AND got elected as President. I suspect he's not as stupid as you seem to believe. ;) Sure he shoots off the hip way too much at times, but he undoubtedly knows better than to do so on this one. Either that or his senior aides are hiding his phone or holdings his arms right now. ;) But either way I wouldn't expect any comments from him until the AG and his staff have time to break this thing down.
Right now he already has a big win simply because their are no further indictments coming, especially relating to collusion, conspiracy, etc. That is huge. Even he knows better (I think) than to muddy a win with knee jerk comments - or at least his advisors do. ;)
Lol 25, I know all too well. I also know that he eventually came out on top, despite multiple business bankruptcies. He learned after the first one and stopped putting his own personal assets at risk.
Lol 25, I know all too well. I also know that he eventually came out on top, despite multiple business bankruptcies. He learned after the first one and stopped putting his own personal assets at risk.
Flag, it's possible to like him as a President, for policy and execution reasons, and not like him as a person.
As laid out in this thread, he has accomplished a shit ton, far more than I could have ever realistically hoped for and he has done everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. I have no reason to believe at this point that he will stop if he is re-elected.
But as a person, I don't like his behavior or his business ethics. He's burned so many business partners and investors over the years that most banks won't do business with his organizations anymore and most institutional/hedge fund real estate investors won't touch any development deal with the Trump name on it. So I can't help but agree with 25 regarding Trump's character flaws, even if we disagree about the politics.
From the Babylon Bee comedy website. Students of American History will understand.
WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a major breakthrough for the Mueller investigation, the head of the FBI's special counsel on Russian interference ordered President Trump to sit on a large golden scale in order to see if he weighs the same as a duck.
So... no collusion, and kind of a no comment on obstruction...but why would you obstruct when you're innocent?
This has basically been my thought all alone when people freaked out when trump took Putins word over our own FBI.
If you were totally innocent and someone said to you:
hey, I'd like you to meet the smartest agents in the whole world, the FBI.
Oh, hi nice to meet you
They think you are involved in a huge crime and coverup
Oh...so the FBI, full of the smartest agents in the whole world are a bunch of idiots, gotcha. I now have zero respect for them....and tweet
I have 25 in block because hels a moron, but I'm sure he's going to still think trump's guilty of something...which is what a moron would would say. So to whatever he comments, my response is, your a fucking moron.
He did all of the following and more in his first two years. Some Presidents don't get this much accomplished in 8 years:
He championed and signed comprehensive tax reforms which have been stunningly stimulative to the economy in too many ways to easily list.
He used executive power to reign in various regulatory agencies and opened up needed gas/oil pipelines, both of which also goosed more economic activity.
He effectively obtained relief from miserable Obamacare mandates while opening up the insurance market by expanding the allowable use of short-term and association plans - some for now and more to follow I suspect.
He redrafted several international trade deals, to our net long-term benefit.
He is the first President to have the guts to formally move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and support Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights.
He pulled us out of that ridiculous Paris climate accord, which was lopsided against the U.S.
ISIS was finally defeated – a huge victory that has largely been uncovered in the press.
Like him or not, he's done everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. He's been a busy dude.
I'm with Rick......He's done better than I expected......and a million times better than if old Hillary had been elected. Is he perfect....hell no. Is he a pig.....yep. I don't get the racism comments....I think some of you are working off of false or partial information on that.
Personally, I think he has a very good chance to win in 2020. Not because he's so good....but because the nutjobs the Democrats are putting up for the nomination.
Trump will be lucky to be remembered as a stain on the underpants of American history.
That said, I currently know of no sustainable grounds for his impeachment. Incompetence, ignorance, racism, mendacity and unpopularity are insufficient grounds for his removal.
Unless damning new evidence comes to light the proper remedy is that he not be re-elected and that Americans hold their noses until he is removed from office by voters.
Let these Trumpets have their fun, if the Republicans don’t get their act together and start acting fiscally responsible they are going to be waking up on the day after the 2020 election trying to figure out exactly where they went wrong
Trump will travel every week to a swing state like Florida, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. He will give a speech about a popular initiative like infrastructure and ask for democrats to work with him.
Meanwhile, there will be 20 candidates for the democratic nomination competing to see who can support the most outrageous proposals like banning cars and paying slave reparations.
The economy will stay strong and we will negotiate many trade deals that are favorable to the US.
The Deep Staters responsible for trying to bring down Trump will face legal actions. Details of their treasonous acts will become known to the general public. The scope of their crimes will be shocking.
Obama is meeting with Freshmen Democrat Congressmen tonight. It’s an attempt to get them under control. The Socialust ideas and impeachment talk are hurting the Democrats politically.
Yeah, when I think of Democrats, the first thing that comes to mind is fiscal responsibility and small government.<
So then explain how the deficit and the debt have gotten so large,, since Eisenhower, In my lifetime Republicans have a slight edge, in overall growth and expansion of government. As a matter of fact if memory serves of the five most recent balanced budgets one was under Nixon, the others were Clinton and Obama, and the last time the nations debt was paid in full was a Democrat Andrew Jackson close to 200 years ago. But sure find a way to spin that into your wacky conspiracy theories.
Oh, the Republicans have plenty of blame when it comes to spending other people’s money, but they are in the minor leagues compared to Democrats. Social Security. Medicare. Medicaid. Welfare. Most recently, Obamacare.
If these programs didn’t exist, or if they were designed in a way to operate efficiently, the deficit would disappear.
@ Mark SS and Medicare are paid for by the recipients if the politicians stopped raiding the funds and left them alone that would go a long way towards paying the bills, if you got rid of Obamacare which is the next big push the government will be on the hook for Medicaid on steroids, welfare is trivial compared to the military budget, I believe we spend more on the military than the next 15 or 20 big spenders combined
Obama had a balanced budget.... not once in 8 years did he have an approved budget, so for him the heavy spender that was completely balanced. Fucking idiot
Medicare costs nearly a Trillion dollars a year. Forty percent of that is paid by general revenue ( income taxes ). Forty percent is paid by payroll tax ( on younger people who are still working ). There is no trust fund for self funding by the recipients. It’s a fucking Ponzi scheme that has run its course.
When Clinton was in office her created the "Social Security Trust Fund".... which actually had no money in it. Basically Clinton recalculated future SS retirement benefits with a different Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA). He had Oil and food removed from the calculation, so gas prices could go to 25 dollars a gallon and eggs 25 dollars a dozen and SS would get NO increase because the COLA was not triggered. So this change created future cash for the trust fund without reducing current benefits but certainly screwing future benefits. Then Bush comes in and spends the fictional money on the war. Then Obama spends the rest of it on QE. NONE of them are 100% responsible for the shit but all played a hand in it
Social Security is a little over a Trillion dollars per year. Ninety percent of that is paid through payroll taxes on younger working people. There is no trust fund ( well, there is, but it’s a hoax ).
Current recipients will receive far more, on average, than they ever paid in payroll taxes during their working years.
When Social Security first started, there were 20 working people paying for each retiree’s benefits. Now, it’s closer to 2 to 1. Again, a Ponzi scheme whose time is running out.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The combined Social Security payroll tax ( EE Plus ER) is 12.4%. That means that a worker in his 20s making $40,000 per year is paying $5,000 per year, which goes in the pocket of senior citizens, some of them millionaires.
Given the Ponzi scheme nature of SS, it is unlikely younger workers will get much of that money back when they reach 65.
In what universe does this arrangement make sense ?
@Mark I’ll make a deal on SS with you since y’all want to renegotiate my contract, give me back what I paid in plus 4% and I’ll let you off the contract, that money wasn’t supposed to be used for anything other than my retirement your government didn’t allow me to opt out, so live up to your end of the bargain especially since you’ve already got my money.
25: To paraphrase from Animal House “ You fucked up. You trusted the government when they said SS was a personal investment arrangement. That money you “contributed” is long gone.”
^ I take your remarks with the sincerity you intended, unless I’m not understanding you correctly, y’all are willing to forego your SS benefits and refund them to the US Treasury.
Actually I call Bullshit.
There is a fair way to transition from a Defined Benefit Plan, like Social Security, to a Defined Contribution Plan.
First, you freeze benefit accruals at their current levels.Then, you begin making contributions to individual accounts.
Workers in their 20s and 30s come out as big winners since they have many years to build wealth. Current retirees continue to get their payments. They don’t win or lose. Workers in their 40s and 50s would come up short, so they get extra payments to make them whole.
This transition would cost more in the short run because of extra payments to those in their 40s and 50s but be less costly, and provide better benefits, in the long run. Plus, the benefit promise would be funded in a real trust.
Picking apart Social Security, one of the most popular federal programs ever devised. What will there right wing think tanks come up with next. Mark94, are these the kinds of places you get your info.
Did you hear that hillary lead Donald Trump in the polls? And guess who's the President?
mark,
And one critical thing thing, it is for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". 2 1/2 years, many millions of dollars, and a team OUT TO GET PRESIDENT TRUMP and they couldn't charge him with a parking ticket .
Remember that idiot adam schiff saying over and over and over he had seen the evidence. So why is the house still looking? Easy, trying to stretch this fiasco out to 2020 election.
^ hes 70 something years old, grossly over weight, his diet consists of crap like fried chicken and cheeseburgers, hell tie the southern district up for a few years before he drops dead, basically just vote the prick out in 2020.
I also read about the German NGO's which have war crimes indictments on Donald Rumsfeld and G. W. Bush. You won't see either of these guys at October Fest, ever.
Don't care about the polls they were wrong last time , and will be again. Biden can't even fill a middle school gymnasium for a rally, Trump has people camping out days ahead of time. I didn't vote in the last election because I didn't want to pick the lesser of evils. I am voting Trump this time, because there are no Democrats who are even slightly better than a pile of hot garbage.
AOC is the face of Fox News, a total bullshit news source, attacking the Democrats. AOC has completely changed the terms of the debate, pulled it many steps to the Left, making up for decades of shifting to the Right.
SJG
Joy Mills: The Secret Doctrine---100 Years Later www.youtube.com
I'm 70 something years old, just lost 60 of weight, my diet consists of low carbs and my doctor says every month I am just fine! Remember JFK was only 46 and had nothing to do with weight or diet,
@Club I’m glad you’re getting healthy again, that’ll allow you more time to enjoy those new grandchildren, but Trumps most likely to lose the next election and impeachment won’t make a damn bit of difference, guys like you that keep rooting on his continued unpresidential behavior best hedge a bit, if y’all don’t, the knee jerk is gonna get a far leftist elected, and that will be just as bad.
Thanks, but health isn't my issue, rather my SO's. That is why I retired, to be a caretaker to some degree. Just the one grandson.
As for President Trump, same ol' story as before November 8, 2016. I'll take another of those "most likely to lose the next election" prograstinations.
Never had their been a candidate who was denounced by the leaders of his own party, before the primary season ended, and then with some even boycotting the convention.
And then the tax returns issue and his obstruction of the Russian election interference investigation.
Bullying the banks into forgiving $3 billion, and then instead of having to pay tax on that, which is the basic law, he is still able to somehow make it all into one big tax deduction.
And violating campaign laws, seemingly, to pay off a mistress.
President Donald Trump is determined to win re-election because he expects to be immediately arrested if he loses in 2020, according to legal analyst and Above the Law editor Elie Mystal.
Appearing on MSNBC’s AM Joy Saturday morning, Mystal began his comments in response to a portion of Michael Cohen‘s Wednesday testimony before the House Oversight Committee, wherein the former Trump attorney and fixer claimed there were additional criminal acts and inquiries surrounding Trump in the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
“SDNY is coming,” Mystal began. “The irony here that I hope is not lost on people is that the Trump Organization–which appears to be a massive criminal front–is so small potatoes that if Trump hadn’t run for president, SDNY wouldn’t care. SDNY cares about stopping terrorism and stopping massive international bank fraud. Putting SDNY on the Trump Organization is a little bit like bringing in Sherlock Holmes to figure out who framed Roger Rabbit.”
Mystal’s quip about the two fictional characters elicited laughter from both host and fellow guest.
But Mystal wasn’t kidding. He continued:
These are such cartoonish criminals that now the SDNY is on it, they’re all going down. And the key thing from Michael Cohen’s testimony–besides all the information he laid out and all the corroboration that he had–is that he issued, basically, a warning to the rest of the people in the Trump Organization from the CFO Allen Weisselberg all the way down to the secretary: you lie for Trump, you’re going to get got. SDNY is lining all of them up.
Mystal went on to implicate Deutsche Bank in a possible money laundering scheme involving the Trump Organization before delivering his prediction about Trump’s alleged legal jeopardy in lower Manhattan.
“When Cohen says that Trump was inflating his assets to get a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills–Michael Cohen wasn’t trying to buy the Buffalo Bills,” Mystal insisted. “Donald Trump was. You know what the statute of limitations is on bank fraud that apparent happened in 2014? It’s ten years.”
“Wow,” host Joy-Ann Reid said.
Mystal went on:
This election is so important for Donald Trump, because if he does not win, SDNY is going to be waiting with cuffs on his way out the door. To me, that is the key that Cohen said–was that he brought this new information that the statute of limitations has not run on.
^ He’s been small potatoes most of his life, but he’s got a big mouth, he came close to getting busted by the State of NJ a few years back he brought his way out by vacating his casinos, he’s also been implicated in NYC both bank fraud cases and by the Taxi and Limosine commission with Cohen about taxi medallion fraud, as well as various zoning boards for tax evasion and fraud with regard to understated real estate valuations.
It ain’t gonna be pretty but he’s going to get off but his family is going to be suffering
As one that had a father-in-law that was involved in local government and a owned several businesses, I will tell you you thoughts above, at least the "details", is part and parcel of business and government interactions at ALL levels. Often the same incident could be described by one party as "fraud" and the other as "shrewd". Perhaps "buyer beware". Just like looking at an object and what one sees is determined by their perspective.
several businesses, I will tell you you thoughts above, at least the "details", is part and parcel of business and government interactions at ALL levels. Often the same incident could be described by one party as "fraud" and the other as "shrewd".<
Blatantly untrue fraud and self dealing are avoided by all ethical business people!
Ethical folks avoid ever the appearance of such
club any way you try to spin it your boy has run out of people to do business with, he has a history of short and nonpayment, using every loophole he can find to get other people to pay his bills, ethical business people pay their debts on time as agreed, he has such a poor reputation in NYC he can’t even get a loan from American banks, that’s where they’re going to get him, you’ll find out soon enough.
Insurance fraud, bank fraud, tax evasion and tax fraud, you name it. The Trump Organization is going down along with The Donald. When the shit hits the fan, I'm curious if Melania leaves him or sticks around.
I pray the democrats impeach Trump because that ends their 20220 chances. It is obvious that Trump derangement syndrome has caused a fracture in the democratic party and a few more bangs with a sledgehammer and poof, they will be two parties. Right now the Democrat who wins the nomination will be so scarred that they will lose to the idiot Trump. More voters understand that the democrats do nothing but steal taxpayer moneyu to buy votes. Crimes against hukmanity for keeping illegal scumbags out? lol SJG only someone from the idot foreign state of california wouldn't understand how hated Californiuans are to most Americans. I understand your point 25. My point is this: I would rather see America burned to a cinder than have aprogressive in office. I loved my America. Thius current version can go fuck off and die. Most fucked up term of the day? "social democray". Means absoliutely zero, which coincidentally is the same human value of the people espousing it. I will never vote for Trump because I won't vote for people I hate, but its the same reason I won't vote for any of the turds running for the nomination from the Democratic party for President.
I could care less who is in office in 2020. As long as it's not Trump.
I wish America's Chief Rapist was only a threat to defenseless women, but unfortunately he's leading us into a senseless war with Iran every time he opens his big mouth.
From here until the election, it only gets worse for Trump. Mueller testifies soon and Mueller's employees are beginning to speak. In addition, courts are finally granting access to Trump's financials. The light is going to start shining on all of the cockroaches in Trump's closet. His financial ties to Russia, his obstruction of justice, his insurance fraud, bank fraud, and tax fraud will all come to light in the coming months. It will hit a crescendo before the election and the emperor will have no clothes. He'll have no shot come election day and then the Southern District of NY will bring both him and the Trump Organization down once he leaves office.
I just hope they are kind enough to lube him up before he gets fucked.
The good news is, after he loses the election, he'll start a new reality show which will track his entire family. It will make a ton of money, which will help pay for all of his legal bills and for his divorce lawyers when Melania leaves him.
Forget about the politics of the matter if any of you Trumpublicans are willing to be honest, how unseemly it is to see the occupant of arguably the most powerful position on earth, exchanging insults with a relatively unknown female soccer player.
It’s disgusting to say the least and he needs to go.
Yes Trump exchanging insutls with a muslim scumbag is obviously not as good as obama the nothing making it a point to go on a world tour grovellinbg before the muslims. After all look at all the wonders he did in the Middle East, such as giving Iran enough money to keep Assad in power while gassing children. Kudos. I recall no Americans predicitng the end of America in 1776, but hey made up facts always prove a point. great post Old Gringo only been reading the same fucking dumb ass shit for 2 years.. Very original. If Trump wins again what will the fucktards on the left whine about then?
^ I asked a simple question all you’re doing is answering with a whataboutism, can’t anyone stick to the topic at hand Obama is no longer part of this, if you can’t admit that it’s unseemly than there is no debate, you’re just venting.
What happens under a subsequent president is oftentimes a result of the acts of the predecessor. To claim that Obama is not part of this means a one sided lecture, or rant If you prefer, so have fun.
^ I tell you what skibum if a person came into family court where you were practicing and acted like our current president what do you think would happen ?
I don't think Trump is the picture of the perfect president....but I would take him over any of the far left options the democrats are putting up. Have you seen what happens in leftist countries over time? Why the fuck would anyone want that? It makes no sane sense!
I look forward to Trump wining in 2020 just to watch the left explode.
What we really need is a real Libertarian that will start cutting down the government to the bare minimum like it was supposed to be. Trump lowered taxes and removed regulations....and the economy has been doing well. Why would you want to have more taxes and regulations again when you know what it will do. Again....no sense to it.
There is little to zero chance of impeaching the sitting president. This is something that hardcore Dems might jerk off to at night, but it’s not going to happen. Since the Muller investigation didn’t discover enough evidence, it’s not going to happen.
Think about it. Clinton finished his term even with all the evidence they had, so without a smoking gun, Trump is fine.
Beto might not even get the Dem nomination. I’d be a little less confident about him moving that state.
"How many agree ? ? Face it the Trump experiment didnt work ."
Well that was pretty stupid! He was elected in a country that has the OLDEST surviving governing document in the world. Might rethink your "logic", as I believe it works DAMN WELL!
I don’t want that fat slob impeached I want the same voters that elected him to kick his fat ass back to Queens County, hopefully to never be heard from again making him nothing but an irrelevant asterisk in the history books.
There are a lot of parallels between the current politics in the U.K. and US. One third of the voters are nationalists ( Brexiteers/Trump), one third are globalists ( Remainers), and one third will vote for whoever they think will deliver Peace and Prosperity.
During the Brexit referendum, over half voted to leave but Parliament was about 2/3 Remainers. For 3 years, Parliament has pretended to support Brexit but done everything they can to undermine it. That’s a lot like the current Congress. They undermine Trump when ever possible.
The U.K. will likely have a general election in November to reconcile these competing views. That should give a preview of the 2020 US election.
It's September 2019. It could never be done in time.
Even if House's current investigation led to a vote by the full House to impeach Trump in early 2020, a Senate trial in an election year would be a pro-Trump campaign commercial and platform for him to motivate his base, which isn't small. And then the Senate would decisively vote against impeachment because they have an easy majority.
So, a positive vote to impeach in the House would only make it harder to evict him from the White House in the most clean, effective and democratic way possible: at the ballot box.
We got boxes of sharpies, they work great on weather maps, and after you build the wall you can use them to draw mustaches on pictures of Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama, they also will come in handy after the election is over so you can write I win on pictures of the headlines that say You're Fired,
Covfete folks
Curiosity has gnawed at me long enough. I have thought, by communicating with you, that you are on some level interested in investments. I could be wrong, and if so, then I misread.
If not incorrect, I was wondering how your investments have done since November of 2016?
It’s a mixed bag @Clubber ever time we get a bit ahead he tweets some inane bullshit that causes a drop if he’d keep his big fat mouth shut the market would be at least 20% higher. But he can’t resist the urge to interfere as a result his results are not as good as they should or would be
Agree with @Ishmael: impeachment has no chance of getting through the Senate and the whole process would vindicate Trump to his base. Mueller testimony was a dud and we should move on.
As far as the stock market, it's grossly over-valued (CAPE greater than 30) and stoked by very low interests rates and a tax cut that went into stock-buybacks (while increasing our deficit to over one trillion). The party will be over at some point.
Events are moving faster than Trumps ability to control the narrative, I’d look for some event like an Iran or Venezuela to flare up as a distraction times are getting dangerously close to some crazy situation to occur.
Agreed. I mean its not like we had problems with either country prior to Hanuary 2017. Impeachment lol. Democrats better hope no one notices they have made zero effort to do the jo\b they were elected to do. Even funnier: Bill Weld. Amazed at how he murdered his career.
I am glad that the Democrats have so many capable people in key positions.
I always vote for the Democrats. Never in my life would I vote for any kind of a Republican, or ever do anything to help a Republican win. And Libertarians are bogus, they are Republicans.
But my own views are far to the Left of the Democrats.
But at this time I am pleased and reassured that they have so many highly capable and experienced people in key positions.
Pelosi is our first woman Speaker of the House. I remember it like it were today, when years ago I first pointed her out on the big screen TV, to a Viet Coffee Girl.
The Democrats have no one who has any skills. The entire platform of the paryty of cretins is simple: they will steal more money from those who earn it and contribute to society and use these stolen funds to buy the votes of those who contribute nothing.Sandra Day O'Connor is impressive; Pelosi just another scuzz who got rich off the taxpayer, like Bernie "Kapos" Sanders. I used to vote for one Democrat based on the idea I should vote for my fraternity brother, but no more.
^ Well if you has an open mind you’d have seen this coming the Republicans especially the executive branch thinks they have more to gain by stonewalling any inquiries legit or not, truth be told Congress is coequal to the executive and when elephants fight the grass gets trampled.
Trump is releasing the full unredacted transcript of his conversation with the Ukrainian President. He wouldn’t do that if there was anything in there that incriminated him. In a sane world, that would put an end to this empty, three year investigation. But, it won’t.
Congress is co-equal, but the House is not as powerful as the Senate and since Congress is split, they are no longer co-equal. The Mueller report would have put an end to this if there was even one democrat who had a shred of decency. Republicans may suck, but its hard to pretend democrats are Americans.
There is a model followed by many politicians and bureaucrats. One of their relatives, typically a wife or child, opens a consultancy or charity or investment firm. Then, companies that rely on government funnel mountains of cash into that entity. Separately, that company receives favorable treatment from the government.
This is not illegal. At least, it’s impossible to prove a crime as long as they never admit the link between the money and the government action.
That’s what Joe Biden did. And the Clintons. And Harry Reid. And, Pelosi. And, Maxine Waters. And, Elijah Cummings. Lots of Republicans have done it too. The whole system is corrupt. In fact, Trump is the only politician I am confident who doesn’t do this.
He is like the honest cop in a corrupt precinct. The dirty cops need to take him out.
The RNC is demanding that Biden release transcripts of his conversations with China and Ukraine, the countries that gave his son over $1Billion ( yes, that’s with B). In reality, Trump already has access to these transcripts.
Trump has already said he will release a transcript of his call with Ukraine.
So, let’s put them all out there and see who broke the law.
The only person who could have stood up to Trump on stage is Tulsi Gabbard. Look how she took out Kamala. Thankfully, the DNC has made sure to exclude Tulsi from the debates. If she were the nominee, I’d be concerned.
Fortunately, the DNC has once again screwed their party by trying to rig the Primary.
I guess it’s not a crime if the Democrats do it.....
Democrats wrote to the Ukrainian government in May 2018 urging it to continue investigations into President Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia in the 2016 presidential campaign — collusion later found not to exist.
The demand, which came from U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), resurfaced Wednesday
Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Despite the lessons of ted kennedy; Michael Dukakis and John Kerry, the Democrats will nominate Elizabeth Warren and lose again.
The only person who could have stood up to Trump on stage is Tulsi Gabbard. Look how she took out Kamala. Thankfully, the DNC has made sure to exclude Tulsi from the debates. If she were the nominee, I’d be concerned.
Fortunately, the DNC has once again screwed their party by trying to rig the Primary.”
WATCH LIVE: Lawmakers react to Trump impeachment inquiry on House floor (4 hours) www.youtube.com
WATCH: Schiff says Trump call with Ukraine president was a ‘shakedown’ ( Adam Schiff (D) Chair of House Intelligence Committee ) Schiff calls it a "Mafia like shakedown". www.youtube.com
Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma in April 2014, according to RSB bank records. Hunter Biden had little background in energy. Over a 16-month period, Burisma paid $3.1 million to a bank account associated with Hunter’s business.
Joe Biden led the Obama administration’s policy toward Ukraine when he served as vice president. Biden helped shape Ukraine’s energy and anti-corruption policies, issues that directly impact Burisma.
If you shoot at the King, be sure you kill the King.
While Trump might be impeached ( even though the accusations are BS), he will not be convicted in the Senate. His supporters will be energized and will show up at the polls in 2020. If you doubt this, research what happened with Bill Clinton and his impeachment.
Pelosi has made a huge mistake in responding to her base.
From @VH's Fox News article: "30 GOP senators' would impeach Trump in secret ballot"
The ballot would have to be "secret" because these GOP Senators are cowards and fear of losing their jobs. Maybe with the exception of Romney who appears to have a moral compass and some balls.
McConnell has already gone on record that the Ukraine impeachment inquiry is a joke. McConnell has enormous power to decide what evidence is presented if this moves to the Senate -- more power than John Roberts ( see www.washingtonpost.com ). McConnell can use the Senate hearings to exonerate Trump and pump up his base. Hard to see how this could possibly help the Democrats in the long run. But who knows...
Impeachment is a political act, not a legal act. It’s framed that way in the constitution. What we are seeing is a political coup to remove a duly elected President. The backlash will also be political.
Two Presidents have been impeached; neither convicted. I do recall Federal Court Judge Alcee hastings not only being impeached for being a criminal, but convicted and removed from the bench. Democrats are so despicable and hypocritical that asshole is in Congress and we will have some convicted lowlife who was impeached and convicted voting to impeach.
Trump was the first time a Presdent was elected after the leaders of his own party spoke against him, Nicki Halley, John McCaine, Mitt Romney, and eventually Geroge W. Bush.
Trump was also the most extreme example of winning the electoral vote contest, while being behind in the popular vote contest, over 2.8 million votes.
I was then saying that a Trump Presidency would endanger the territorial integrity of the United States.
I was asking for Obama and the Congress to amend the Constitution before Trump could take office. Change it to Popular Vote, let the sitting SCOTUS write the amendment and make it effective immediately.
As it is now, it will take a decade to root out Trump's flavor of corruption, and a century to restore our nation's prestige.
Watch: Intelligence chief Joseph Maguire testifies following Democrats' impeachment inquiry (today) www.youtube.com
Robert Mueller did not want to say whether or not Trump was a crook. The rule being followed is that you cannot indict a sitting President. So since he could not indict, he was not going to take a position. So they way to reprimand a sitting POTUS is via impeachment.
So the House has tried to get the grand jury transcripts which underlie the Mueller Report. Have they gotten them? Normally they are sealed, but this is an exceptional situation.
Schiff on election interference: 'There can be no claim of ignorance this time’ www.youtube.com
Rough transcript reveals key moments from Trump-Ukraine call www.youtube.com
Trump-Ukraine Call Log Clearly Demonstrates Quid Pro Quo Demand www.youtube.com
Those on the left have been convinced by the media that Trump is a fucking moron. They are surprised that he can tie his shoes in the morning.
So, when he beats Hillary, or survives the Russia hoax, they know he hasn’t outsmarted them because, obviously, anyone on the left is much, much smarter than the Orange man.
That’s why they think they can throw anything against the wall, like this Ukraine scam, and come away with a win.
Trump is already outsmarting them. By releasing the transcript and showing how the whistleblower letter is full of holes, he has solidified his base and confused the Dems.
Pelosi just assumed she could use the whistleblower letter to justify a couple more months of hearings and subpoenas. Now, that plan is out the window. The whistleblower and the Bidens will come under attack.
Just keep telling yourself that Trump is stupid. It’s worked so well for you so far !
SJG - "I was asking for Obama and the Congress to amend the Constitution before Trump could take office. Change it to Popular Vote, let the sitting SCOTUS write the amendment and make it effective immediately."
So, you thought a 2/3 vote in a Republican controlled House and Senate to amend the constitution and a 3/4 ratification from all the states in the November - January time frame was a viable option? Delusion, ignorance, or hyperbole?
"Trumpy must Resign !!! Worst president in History."
YES!
Remember the footage of Nixon and Pat walking to the helicopter? Well the way this is going, Donald Trump will be removed by LE, and he will be in handcuffs.
Pelosi: Trump Used Taxpayer Money To Shake Down Leader For His Own Gain | Morning Joe | MSNBC, 9/27, 7:30 am DC time www.youtube.com
Nancy Pelosi in FURY After Trump 'Abuse the system' By Moving All The Files To Private Network (this morning) www.youtube.com
Nancy Pelosi, Democrats hold press conference in addressing H.R. 1 bill (6 hours ago) www.youtube.com
Pelosi Torches Trump White House's Ukraine Call Response: This Is A Cover-Up | The 11th Hour | MSNBC (14 hours ago) www.youtube.com
House Republican: President Donald Trump's Ukraine Call "Not O.K." | The Last Word | MSNBC www.youtube.com
EXCLUSIVE: Trump's Attack on Whistle-Blower in Private Meeting Was Caught on Video www.youtube.com
Hear leaked audio of Trump comparing whistleblower's sources to 'spies' www.youtube.com
'The Room Was Mostly Silent': Reporter In Room For 'Spies' Remark | Morning Joe | MSNBC www.youtube.com
Donald Trump responds climate activist Greta Thunberg with a sarcastic late-night tweet... “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to ... /discussion.php
The great Hillary Clinton: "Trump MUST be impeached" /discussion.php
President Donald Trump: “Who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days, when we were smart, right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.” www.democracynow.org
James Risen: Whistleblower Complaint Shows “Trump Is a Habitual Criminal” Abusing His Office www.democracynow.org
James Risen: I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine in 2015. The Right-Wing Media Twisted My Reporting www.democracynow.org
Donald Trump responds climate activist Greta Thunberg with a sarcastic late-night tweet... “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to ... /discussion.php
The great Hillary Clinton: "Trump MUST be impeached" /discussion.php
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives committee issued a subpoena on Friday for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, seeking to compel him to hand over documents concerning contact with the Ukrainian government.
The House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight Committees also scheduled depositions for five State Department officials over the next two weeks, including former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, Ambassador Kurt Volker, the U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine, and Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union.
Rpt: Trump Comments To Russians Prompted W.H. Officials To Limit Access | The Last Word | MSNBC - saying that Trump meeting with Russians, 4 months in office, in Oval Office, let them off hook for attacking our elections, and is sufficient and necessary grounds for impeachment.
Rpt: Trump Comments To Russians Prompted W.H. Officials To Limit Access | The Last Word | MSNBC www.youtube.com
If Trump is impeached, it will go to the Senate for a full trial. The Clinton impeachment trial took a month. Because the issues are much broader, it is estimated that it would take 3 to 6 months this time around. Mitch McConnell has hinted it could go longer. Trump, and Senate Republicans, would be allowed to call and cross examine any witness they wanted. Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Biden, Clapper, Comey.
We would learn about the fake Russia gate scandal, using government assets to spy on the Trump campaign, Hillary’s Foundation, Biden’s payoff from Ukraine and China, plus a dozen other Democrat scandals. Shortly after that, the November election would take place.
With a Republican majority, and a 2/3 vote needed, Trump will not be removed from office.
Have Democrats really thought through the consequences of their current actions ?
To Impeach or Not to Impeach? Chris Hedges & John Bonifaz Debate What Congress Should Do Next www.democracynow.org
House Democrats subpoenaed President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani Monday, seeking documents related to his work in Ukraine. Last week, Guliani admitted on television that he had urged the Ukrainian government to investigate Trump’s political rival and 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. This comes as House Democrats continue to build their case for impeaching the president, following a whistleblower complaint focused on a phone call in which Trump asked the Ukranian president to do him a “favor” investigating the actions of Democrats, including Joe Biden and his son Hunter. Meanwhile, Trump is continuing to threaten lawmakers who are pushing impeachment, and publicly admitted he is trying to find out the identity of the anonymous whistleblower, in possible violation of whistleblower protection laws. We host a debate on impeachment with John Bonifaz, co-founder and president of Free Speech for People, one of the organizations demanding Trump’s impeachment, and Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, award-winning author and activist.
These are the people tied up in Trump's tangled web www.youtube.com
These people are all Diplomats, Military, Intelligence, or Lawyers. They have gotten to where they are by being careful what they say, and by showing that they can carry out duties responsibly.
The latest polling from Hill-HarrisX shows that Trump now enjoys a solid 49 percent job approval rating with registered voters. This is a two-point jump since September 11-12 in this same poll.
BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House,where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled
^You guys are delusional, the guy is melting down, he's headed for a nervous breakdown, and you guys are acting like this is normal behavior, c'mon this guy is ready for a rubber room.
BREAKING: The Democrat whistleblower who complained about Trump digging up dirt in Ukraine was himself helping dig up dirt in Ukraine against Trump (and Manafort) while working in the Obama White House during 2016 campaign.
You guys have missed the boat. The attacks on the credibility of the whistleblower are a waste of time. It doesn’t matter. The whistleblower could be Obama himself and it wouldn’t matter. The transcript and texts show it happened. Trump, Giuliani, and Pompeo all used the government to collide with a foreign government to take down Biden.
What sucks for the Democrats is Trump knows this and he’s already beaten them. He is OWNING the collusion. After two years of denying Russian collusion he is proudly owning this. He’s even asking China to join the party and collude as well. Trump wins. He has changed the standard of what is acceptable behavior from the POTUS. The House will impeach and the Senate will not convict.
We will be back to having the 2020 election decide the next president except Biden will be out. With Bernie’s health scare it will be Trump v. Liz after another 12 months of painful news.
So Biden, through his son, takes over a Billion dollars from China, while the Obama administration lets them steal our technology, steal our jobs, and militarize the South China Sea. And, Trump isn’t supposed to investigate this.
On the other hand, an impeachment effort is launched on Trump based on a single phone call he made to the new President of Ukraine where the Ukrainian briefly mentions Biden’s name. That’s it. That’s their evidence of High Crimes.
I guess there are different standards of justice for Republicans and Democrats.
The Bidens are not abusing the Presidency, because they are not in office. If you think they have done wrong, well then get them investigated and prosecuted. I really could not care less about them.
Generally Democrats are hard working less wealthy people, compared to Republicans.
You've all seen Nixon walking to the helicopter for last time. www.youtube.com
Well with Trump it won't likely be that way. Melania will have been long gone, and Donald will likely be in handcuffs and taken out by LE.
From Trump to Nixon: “Watergate” Film Explains “How We Learned to Stop an Out of Control President” www.democracynow.org
Okay, what evidence is there of Trump committing a crime ? Don’t tell me collusion or Racist or unhinged. Give me specific evidence that Trump has committed a crime. After 3 years of looking, Strok/Mueller/Weissmann found nothing. Zip. Nada. That’s because there isn’t anything other than the fake dossier or the third hand whistleblower claims. It’s all Democrat created false innuendo.
CHRIS HEDGES:
And so, go ahead with impeachment, but if we don’t begin to address the underlying malaise and disenfranchisement and rage — and legitimate rage — on the part of the white working class — however much Trump lies — and, of course, he lies like he breathes — the Clintons also lied, in far more damaging ways to the working class, and, in particular, the white working class, than Donald Trump. And we know from polls that right before the election in 2016, you had 55% of those who said they were voting for Trump, it was because they disliked Hillary Clinton, only 44%. So, Trump was kind of weaponized. You know, he was the middle finger to the establishment. He was weaponized against the man. And if we don’t begin to deal with those issues, impeachment itself will rend the fabric of American society further into antagonistic tribes. And we have to acknowledge the fact we are a country awash in weapons, 300 million weapons, you know, mass shootings on the average of one a day. And we almost saw, with Cesar Sayoc, the complete decapitation of the Democratic Party with pipe bombs. That’s the territory we’re headed towards.
Hedges thinks this country has a bigger problem than just Trump. Its the people who voted for him.
Hillary Clinton got more people voting for her, by a margin of over 2.8 million.
But we still have a serious problem that Trump did get almost as many votes as she.
Mark: “Okay, what evidence is there of Trump committing a crime ?”
Besides repeatedly asking foreign nations to take down Joe Biden?
The baseball game is in commercial, so I’ll post some quotes but I’m not doing any more homework for you.
Ellen Weintraub, head of the Federal Election Commission: “Let me make something 100 per cent clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,” she said. “This is not a novel concept.”
Trump: [talking about Ukraine] “They should investigate the Bidens.”
“And by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,”
I’m not using google for you. There is a shit ton of evidence he has committed crimes. I still think he isn’t convicted by the senate because as I said above he’s done a great job of convincing people there needs to be a quid pro quo (there doesn’t) or that because he’s doing it openly it’s ok (it’s not). I’m done handwringing over what he’s done to the office and dignity of the POTUS. I’ll just vote against him and cross my fingers.
We ask for help in tracking down corruption all the time. The FBI maintains offices around the world for this express purpose. Is that a crime ? Is it improper to investigate corruption if it is associated with Democrats ?
Technically I’m not sure Trump has announced he is running? But lol by the letter of the law, it’s bordlerline illegal, definitely gray morally, and I’m going to go on a limb and say that if we look deeply in 25 random Congresspeople, we can find the same dirt on 18 of them.
As Dennis Miller just put it so eloquently, I’m paraphrasing ‘If Trump was presidential, then he wouldn’t be our current president.’ Meaning the American people don’t care about this little shit and voted for Trump because they recognize it is a fuckin swamp infested with scuzzball politicians on both sides. They just want the country run and are sick of politicians. This political maneuver by the Dems is going to make the people even more tired of the bullshit and help Trumps re-election bid
Like, goddamn Pelosi you Skeletor lookin bitch. Either vote to open up a grand jury or don’t. Make up your mind. How much of our taxpayer dollars are going to be wasted on this bullshit? Get back to running our country you fuckin political twats.
I don't understand why the Democrats get so upset with Donald Trump. after all he was a Democrat longer than he has been a republican. I just don't like the egomaniac.
BOOM: Nancy Pelosi's son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE!
And Nancy Pelosi appeared in a promotional Video for the company, which is being investigated for fraud.
If we can replace Biden and Pelosi with more progressive people, people who don't have corporate allegiances, great.
But we have only one POTUS at a time, and he certainly does seem to have abused the office.
House Democrats subpoena White House for Ukraine documents as part of impeachment inquiry
House Democrats issued a subpoena to the White House Friday evening for documents relating to the president's contact with Ukraine — a so-far unprecedented move that is sure to escalate the rapidly moving impeachment inquiry.
I first saw that there was something seriously wrong about Trump with the Muslim couple who spoke at the Democratic Convention.
Trump was talking about Muslim Bans. He was fondling his xenophobic base.
But such a ban would violate the Constitution, and the courts would later tell him so.
At the Convention a Muslim couple spoke. They challenged Trump, asking if he had ever read the Constitution. They were Naturalized Citizens, having as much right to be called Americans as does Donald Trump.
They lost one of their sons, 27yo, while he as serving in Iraq, as a US Army Captain.
But Trump makes fun of them.
And that is totally wrong, he makes fun of the Muslim Couple, he makes fun of all immigrants, and of all who have descended from immigrants, and he makes fun of all of those who have served in our military.
Donald Trump has no idea at all what this country is about!
4 hour gap, Sondland making his own phone call to Trump
Will Trump's handling of Turkey mean that US troops will be placed at greater risk later on?
The Khan Family lost their son to a car bomb while serving as a US Army Captain in Iraq. There are dangerous wackos in the Middle-East. But Trump's entire political career has just been massaging such wackos here in the US.
Who should deliver the Final Message?
I say it should be Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.
But who will give Trump asylum, and can his 757 fly there without refueling?
There is not enough water to get to Leningrad without crossing over EU waters and airspace. But he could go above the Arctic Circle and get beyond Finland to Murmansk.
If his 757 does not have the range, maybe a bunch of food and water and he can borrow Greta Thunberg's 60' yacht.
These sorts of people, and Adam Schiff Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, all very different from Donald Trump. They are Military, Intelligence, National Security, Diplomats, and often Lawyers. They may or may not agree with the politics of Donald Trump and his party, but they conduct themselves very differently. They are careful about what they say. They have gotten to where they are by decades of reliable service. Trump is absolutely nothing compared to them.
Impeaching Trump is a Constitutional Requirement!
Messages Detail Alarm From State Department Official Over Policy Toward Ukraine www.youtube.com
This is so similar to how Nixon went down, but just greatly accelerated, and with Trump very likely facing post removal prosecution.
Turkey just started bombing the Kurds in Syria. That was quick. This is sad for the allies who at great cost to themselves fought ISIS for us. Politically, this is going to cost Trump with his allies in the Senate. I don’t know if they’ll change their minds on impeachment but this will make some his allies worry about his decisions when he makes military decisions after consulting only Erdogan, not consulting DOD and announcing the decision on Twitter. I can’t stand him to be sure, but this is different than his other decisions that I’ve criticized. This will cost us allies.
The situation in Turkey/Syria is an absolute mess. There are no good options, only some that are less bad than others.
Turkey is a member of NATO. Through a series of missteps, Obama drove them into alliance with Russia. We can’t afford to let Turkey fall even further into the orbit of Russia.
One Kurdish element, the Turkish PKK, has been at war with Turkey for years. This is a real threat to Turkey.
The Iraqi Kurds are loyal allies of the US and played a large role in defeating ISIS. We continue to support and arm the Iraqi Kurds.
So, we need to walk a dangerous line with both Turkey and our Kurdish allies by allowing Turkey to confront the PKK and associated Syrian Kurd rebels.
We shouldn’t put American troops at risk where there is no strategic interest for us.
We should be supporting the PKK against the dirty Turks. We have no allies in the traditional sense other than Japan and England. Our other "allies" are simply leeches who do nothing to help us.
^ O fucking jeez man those are our allies and did most of the heavy lifting against Isis can’t you ever stop being an apologist and an ass kisser for Trump and stand for what’s right
The PKK is a far left terrorist organization based in Turkey. It’s the Iraqi Kurds who are our allies, not the PKK. Just because these two, separate entities are members of the same ethnic group doesn’t mean they are identical. One is terrorist ( according to NATO), the other fought the ISIS terrorists.
That's completely untrue and you should be ashamed of your self, spreading that simpering bullshit, I'm not going to debate you on this if you can't stand with our allies which the PKK has been against Daish you are a coward.
Turkey is not an ally in any way at all. They were important for awhile and that ended the day the cold war ended. Fuck Erdogan and the Turks. Donald trump is a fuicking retard, sadly that makes him better than every progressive combined, so again I vote for a third party candidate in 2020.
The PKK, and it’s Syrian offshoot the YPG, have strong ties to Iran in addition to being at war with NATO member Turkey. Obama decided to back the YPG as a quick fix for ISIS, ignoring the long term mess it caused. Well, the mess has arrived. Turkey is coddling up to Russia and both Russia and Iran have a military presence in Syria. Thanks Barack.
The cruise missile attack on the Iranian oil tanker is far different from attacks on Saudi oil field equipment. That later was a fixed position on a map. The oil tanker is a moving target, not a fixed position.
To defeat Trump, the Dems need to select someone who could stand on stage and out debate him. The only candidate who could do that is Tulsi Gabbard. Her military background and genuine personality give her the credibility. She has shown debate skills in taking down Kamala.
Fortunately, there is no way the Dems will nominate her.
Want to know what happens when the Dems nominate someone on the extreme left, like Warren or Bernie ? Google George McGovern.
Fuck Iran. I hope Israel did it. Ted Kennedy, Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, would make normal people never nominate a Massachusetts liberal. Luckily Dems ain't normal so they'll nominate the only person on earth who lies more than Trump. Shrew Warren, the native American for President ROFL.
A debate with Trump is just a shouting match. I watched the debates with Hillary Clinton. She was always the one who was coherent and rational. He was never anything of the sort.
I do think there will be an issue of dealing with future Trump type candidates. But with Donald himself, I think the issue is just which country will be paying the costs of feeding and guarding him in their prison.
House Foreign Affairs Committee, Democrats and Republicans saying the same things. Can't tell them apart. They agree with each other, and I agree with them. And everyone agrees that Trump really screwed up.
Impeach.
Lose.
Trump uses it to massively induce fundraising.
Crushes the socialist.
4 more years of Orange Man.
Wall is finished.
Now US controls full supply of drug in and out of Mexico.
Mexico cartels shit their pants.
US leans on Mexico and helps it out of being a 3rd world country.
Nope. Actually, all the content here belongs to founder. And he created a new politics forum for this content based on the requests of a significant number of users.
You're just being a troll that wants attention. It's pretty juvenile.
^Lmao, history will remember the unbelievably corrupt lengths that the Democrats went to in order to change the results of an election they didn't like. Horowitz was appointed by the Obama administration and even he is saying that the political bias of the FBI agents leading the investigations was "pretty bad." When John Durham's investigation on the Democrats is complete, you're gonna see dozens of people in handcuffs. The behavior of the Democrats in the past decade is going to be taught as a reminder of how people become fanatics with no objectivity that think any and all methods necessary to win in politics are justified.
Removing Trump is the difference between our country continuing or it disintegrating. The Impeachment trial should have started as soon as Trump finished the oath of office.
Kudos to the fearless souls of the Democratic Party, and especially to Al Green and Brad Sherman, submitting the first Articles of Impeachment.
This Right Wing Nonsense News is a toxin in our nation.
"Removing Trump is the difference between our country continuing or it disintegrating."
I agree with that.
If we remove Trump from office, it would show that our politicians respect for the peaceful transfer of power is truly and completely gone.
You can't remove a president from office just because you personally don't like him. The Democrats can't even decide on what crime he has committed because he hasn't committed one. Anything they bring up is shown to be complete BS.
CNN and MSNBC wouldn't even show Lindsey Graham's testimony on the Horowitz report because they are so scared of it.
Trump's campaign was based on hate speech. And more people voted for his opponent than he, by a margin exceeding 2.8 million. The first problem was that Electoral College. Should have amended the constitution between election day and the inauguration. And then we still don't know about Trump's overseas business interests. This is unprecedented, may well be violating the emolient's clause.
And then the current two impeachment articles are legitimate. Trump must be removed.
Right Wing Nonsense News just massages the Lizard Brain, it is destroying our democracy.
More job creation during Obama's last three years than in Trump's first three.
Supply Side is just a spoils system.
It will all come out. Never thought I'd be looking to an extreme Hawk like Bolton, but now we need him because he knows how Trump compromised our national security and sold out our troops.
Trump and his party are a complete disgrace!
Glad Doug Jones (D-Alabama) stuck with Democrats
Glad Joe Mansion (D-West Virginia) stuck with Democrats, convicting on one of the charges
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer gave the Democratic response to President Trump's annual address to Congress from a high school in East Lansing, Mich., on Feb. 4. Here are her full remarks.
Nancy Pelosi has had Trump by the short hairs for some time now. She is exactly what we need at this time, starting from Trump's budget impasse shut down, leaving federal workers unpaid. Pelosi handled that masterfully.
Democrats Boycott & Walk Out of Trump’s State of the Union Address
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Amid the chaos in Iowa and President Trump’s expected acquittal today in his impeachment trial, Trump gave the annual State of the Union address Tuesday night. During his 78-minute speech, Trump made his case for re-election while touting the economy, trying to stoke fear and xenophobia about “criminal aliens,” and calling public schools “government” schools. A number of Democratic lawmakers protested his address. Michigan Congressmember Rashida Tlaib, Ohio Congressmember Tim Ryan, New Jersey Congressmember Bill Pascrell and Massachusetts Congressmember Seth Moulton all walked out of Trump’s speech. Others didn’t attend at all, including New York Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Congressmember Ayanna Pressley, Texas Congressmember Al Green, Georgia Congressmember Hank Johnson, Tennessee Congressmember Steve Cohen, Oregon Congressmember Earl Blumenauer, Florida Congressmember Frederica Wilson, Mississippi Congressmember Bennie Thompson, Illinois Congressmember Bobby Rush and California Congressmember Maxine Waters. Democratic congressmembers who did attend the speech also broke into chants of “H.R. 3” when Trump spoke about lowering drug prescription prices. H.R. 3 is a House-passed bill that would require Medicare to negotiate for lower prices on insulin and other life-saving medications. Trump refused to shake House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s hand. She later ripped up a copy of his speech after he finished speaking.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “It was a manifesto of mistruths.”
During Trump’s speech, the father of one of the victims of the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, was thrown out, after he shouted about his daughter Jaime’s death. Fred Guttenberg was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s guest at the State of the Union. He interrupted Trump’s speech when Trump touted his pro-gun positions. And Melania Trump bestowed the Medal of Freedom on right-wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who has spread racist conspiracy theories about former President Barack Obama, among other racist lies. We’ll have more on the State of the Union later in the broadcast.
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Homelessness Among School-Age Children Hits Decade-Long High
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New data shows homelessness among school-age children in the United States has surged to a decade-long high. More than 1.5 million public school students experienced homelessness during the 2017-'18 school year. That's more than double the number of students who were homeless over a decade ago. Experts say homelessness can have long-term effects on a student’s health and academic performance.
Awesome Pleaser 10" design. In my organization, the women will regularly be handed piles of the very best in slut wear and fuck me heels. Even visitor women get some of this right off. It helps them go bonobo.
Obama was a fantastic President, and also governing from the center. He got his health care passed, whereas Bill and Hillary Clinton could not.
Nancy Pelosi, first woman speaker of the house, very smart and capable women. Dealt with Trump when he let federal workers go without pay during his budget impasse shut down.
POTUS is term limited, by constitutional amendment. To limit the House and Senate, seems like you would also have to have a constitutional amendment. Andrew Yang wants to do this:
The lament of the impotent: failure means learning nothing, trying the same thing again and then calling others names when you lose again. Democrats are like dogshit stuck to your shoe.
Chuck Schumer Calls for Investigation into Trump’s Retaliation-Motivated Firings
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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is calling on all 74 federal inspectors general to investigate retaliation-based firings of whistleblowers or witnesses who report presidential misconduct. Two days after his impeachment acquittal last week, Trump fired two key figures from the House’s impeachment proceedings: the National Security Council’s Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman and U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland.
So much of what he does, especially regarding the foreign emollients clause, can and should be prosecuted as crime. Never have we had this scale of corruption in the US before, let alone in the Presidency.
Trump and his party and his backers like Stephan Bannon use conservative cultural shibboleths to promote an economic system which completely devalues real work and is completely exploitative and unworkable. It is nothing more than a spoils system, a way of pocketing money.
Bernie Sanders, why Socialism is better than Capitalism
Actually even with Medicare for All, Free College, and The Green New Deal, and with UBI which Sanders is not even talking about, you still do not have Socialism.
For that you would have to also get to public ownership of all large and strategic industries.
And Sanders is only talking about Democratic Socialism.
So workers actually deliver the goods and services which are needed, not just run on a treadmill to the benefit of the financializers, while being mocked and called "losers".
Trump kicked Hillary's fat ass; laughed in the face of the impotent ass clowns called the House Democrats and will win another election because progressives are too stupid andd whiny to understand how much Americans despise them.
Democrats will lose coz the DNC wants to appease the center right and not it's core constituency. Trump didn't win. The Democrats lost when they propped Clinton up. And many Trump votes were misguides fuck yous to the establishment
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last commentJust vote that muthafucker out please!
And put in a socialist that's LDKing in his/her pants about how much they want the government to be Santa Claus
A Californian of course. A place where they spend like the party will never end. In the meantime, they have massive unfunded pension liabilities that they cannot conceivably pay in the future and a casino budget, heavily reliant on capital gains taxes, that is just one market downturn away from a complete collapse. This is especially true since high income earners are now fleeing the state in droves, which has already sent their December income tax collections far below expectation and is expected to keep hurting in 2019.
But sure nem, please do continue to lecture us on the Trump experiment. ;)
Have fun with that.
Then we can have Pence as prez
Not saying Trump is horrible, but y'all don't want pence as prez. Your best bet is to let go of impeachment and hope Kamala Harris beats Trump in 2020.
Impeachment twats really are hoping that impeachment means there will be a run off election but that's not even close. It doesn't even mean he will be out of office.
Either way, in 2024 i will be old enough to run. Nicespice will be my first lady
Subraman for President - the "Don't be an asshole don't be a little bitch" platform
Then Pence loses in 2020 , whats the problem with that nicespice ?
Nem- the impeachment process is long. Plus it doesn't even mean Trump will leave office. At absolute best, it would hurt Trump's reelection campaign in 2020.
Morally impeachment would be the right thing to do. But the Senate won't do shit and it could look like a partisan attack. Better to let the voters decide in 2020.
At this point, if Trump were impeached and removed from office, the Republican voters would be so worked up that it would be difficult to beat the Republican candidate (likely Pence) in the next election. The Democrats know this.
The smart move is to campaign against a weakened candidate (Trump) who has slipping popularity with moderate voters.
Jobs are plentiful. It would be idiot and futile for the Dems to try to impeach unless a major smoking gun is found.
You folks aware of recent news that more than half the country believes he is the victim of a witch Hunt? Aware of the fact that his approval rating at this point in his presidency is higher than the recent Presidents? The Democrats will turn hard left and manage to lose.
WTF. Trump has done a great job so far.
Y'all are just a bunch of butt hurt close-minded crybabies.
Prior to the election most were aware that he was a crooked businessman. The ALT was a crooked institution. That’s why he got elected.
He’s not doing a horrible job and hence why the left is so butthurt because he is making progress. That said, Biden will probably be your Prez in 2021.
How about we extend his term and make him president for life ?
^^ Oh gosh I hope not. 80 year old men should not be allowed to be President.
^ ageist
I think impeachment would fail and be voted down purely on party lines. Far too divisive an option. I do wish a couple of conservatives with less baggage would throw their hats in the ring necessitating a republican primary. I would gladly vote against Trump (unless the choice is one of the ultra-liberals the Dems are propping up).
Will the Mueller report have impeachable offenses ? His tweets are impeachable enough .
Strongly disagree. My business has never been better and that’s all I give a fuck about. Make money so I can continue to support the bitches on the pole! Lol
Go TRUMP. !!!
The brilliant anointed one:
"If we change our times with the sole intent of increasing the amount of daylight we receive, that’s an extra hour of sun shine that will warm the planet. That’s one extra hour per day of extra heat warming our already unstable planet. We need to repeal Daylight Savings Time as a primary measure to decrease the rate of climate change. Less hours of sun shine equal less heat hitting Earth’s surface. We’re running out of time!"
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Of course this is likely not factual. but certainly within her capacity of stupid!
^ I like that idea do you want to get paid for consulting;)
nemeski7
What are the grounds that you would impeach on... not thoughts but what provable actions
Since Trump became President what has he done that is so wrong? What is actually messed up because of Trump?
If you cannot answer these two questions then STFU with your posts
Impeachment was meant to address serious issues like abuse of power and gross dereliction of duty, not political differences or wild accusations of wrongdoing with little supporting evidence. It would be a pointless exercise as there has been nothing to date that is going to convince 67 Senators to vote yes. All it will do is cause further polarization and division.
Also, to be clear, I was pissed off when the House voted to impeach Clinton as well. What a massive waste of time and resources to beat up a sitting President. It was a dark time for the Republican Party.
Obvious grounds for impeachment:
-The economy is booming
-Trade deals are being written
-Unemployment is down
-Iran deal squashed
-Peace talks with North Korea
-Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
-ISIS is near total destruction…
Lol. You cons are so easily triggered. You’re arguing with yourselves. The only post in favor of impeachment is Nem’s and only sorta. You guys are so convinced that the left wants to impeach. Witch hunt. Butt hurt over losing. Conspiracy. Deep state. Morons. Pelosi has said that anyone in her party advocating for impeachment is wrong but you probably think she’s saying that to trick you. Trump is always the victim.
Jimmy, my boy,
In case you haven't noticed pelosi is about as relevant as I am when it comes to the house!
The inmates have taken over the asylum!
Jimmy, the question is not whether we believe her. I do and I think others here do as well. She's been around for a long time and she knows that it will likely hurt the Dems more than help them, especially those in less secure districts.
The question is whether she has enough control over her caucus to prevent some of the more radical members, of course hailing from secure districts, from forcing a vote on articles of impeachment. Time will tell I suppose.
AOC is in charge of the Dems now and is an advocate for impeachment.
When was the last time the dems didn’t vote as a block? Pelosi has rock solid control. As does Schumer. Impeachment is fake news. Won’t happen unless Mueller finds direct evidence that Trump knew what his campaign was doing with Russia. Not likely.
How much has been spent on the witch hunt?
^^ A lot of time on this board.
Pelosi takes orders from Jenni from the block now. I hear she makes a good margi. I love AOC because everything will be free and I won't have to work.
Flag - “How much has been spent on the witch hunt?”
Total or do you want a $ per witch indicted number?
Jimmy, I guess you missed this.
www.congress.gov
You might also have missed the vote for articles of impeachment made by the 2017-2018 Congress, sponsored by Al Green, for which 58 Democrats voted yes. Now 58 is far short of 218, but I bet they'd get a lot more today with the new crop of House members.
Flagooner said "How much has been spent on the witch hunt?"
A mere fraction of what has been spent on the Zumwalt-class destroyer program (as a single example), which is a complete mess as a weapons platform, everyone knows it, but no one (Democrats or Republicans) will reign it in because of the jobs it provides in numerous states and industry sectors.
The Mueller investigation is barely beer money compared to many other government programs that everyone agrees are fantastically dysfunctional but won't shut down for political / special interest reasons.
Also, I remember the Democrats asking the exact same question when President Clinton was being raked over coals for years by Ken Starr and the end result was catching Clinton lying about a blow job. And I strongly suspect that Clinton's is not the only cum stain that has had to be scrubbed out of the Oval Office rug.
Regardless of what you think of the Mueller investigation, no major or even minor programs are floundering because of his work.
@Rick. Fair point. As they said about the Obamacare votes by republicans ‘now they are shooting with live ammo.’ My comment about a united block in the House was overstated. I maintain they won’t seriously move to impeach unless Mueller turns up something clear and convincing. Since Trump doesn’t use email and the Russians are smart enough not to directly link to him, they won’t find that evidence. Trump is president for at least the remainder of his term.
@CallMeRetard
Referencing it to something else is such a lazy exercise.
If you own a home I'm sure you consider that purchase to be significant. I'm willing to bet it is "A mere fraction" or "barely beer money " compared to what has been spent on the "investigation".
@Jimmy
Both would be nice.
Flagooner said "If you own a home I'm sure you consider that purchase to be significant."
If it's the only home I own, then yes. It's significant. But, if I'm a real estate developer with dozens or even hundreds of large/varied properties, then a single small property that might not be the best purchase isn't cause for pearl clutching.
The federal government is the equivalent of a real estate developer that owns thousands of "properties" in the form of federal programs and budgets. The Mueller investigation costs are miniscule in comparison to other programs desperately in need of reform.
"I'm willing to bet it is 'A mere fraction' or "barely beer money " compared to what has been spent on the 'investigation'."
That's an actual faulty analogy, comparing federal government spending to private citizen investments.
Also, keep in mind that while roughly half of nation does not believe in the investigation, roughly half the nation does believe that the investigation is warranted. Nobody will know for sure until the results are released.
So, I'll wait for that. Keep in mind that I'm not convinced that Mueller has anything actionable on Trump. But of all the things that concern me about the investigation, the budget is far down on that list.
^ So your position seems to be that it's okay to waste money on one thing because there is more waste elsewhere.
Using that logic I guess you think it's okay for a police officer to kill unarmed innocent black men because there are a lot more murders commited by civilians in the United States.
I don't.
Negotiating $50 off the cost of a new Mercedes has the same net impact of negotiating $50 off the cost of extras.
In both cases you would have that $50 that you wouldn't otherwise have.
Comparing it to the waste in other programs is just a rationalization.
Flagooner said "So your position seems to be that it's okay to waste money on one thing because there is more waste elsewhere."
No. My position is that in any massive bureaucracy, there is waste. If your priority is to address waste in any meaningful way, then you target the larger, most significant examples. Looking to save pennies in one small sector while knowingly burning through cash in another area does not mean that you care about waste. It only means you don't like how that small amount of money is being spent.
Also, we don't know if Mueller's investigation is a waste. We have a lot of opinions, but few facts. Not yet.
It would be great if every single government program was 100% efficient and there was zero government waste, but that's a bigger fantasy than the Harry Potter books.
"Using that logic I guess you think it's okay for a police officer to kill unarmed innocent black men because there are a lot more murders commited by civilians in the United States."
Also no, because I don't find any equivalency between police shootings with racial implications and... you know... federal budget management.
"Negotiating $50 off the cost of a new Mercedes has the same net impact of negotiating $50 off the cost of extras."
That ignores savings as a percentage function, which is a significant factor.
If you negotiate $50 off the cost of a $100 blowjob. Then your net savings is
50%. Well done!
If you negotiate $50 off of a $70,000 Mercedes, then your net savings is 0.07%. That's significantly less impressive. Not meaningless, but pretty damn close.
But if I can negotiate $10,000 off the cost of that Mercedes, then that has a much greater impact than negotiating the price tag on a $100 blowjob.
The damage the Mueller investigation has done to this country is beyond enormous and it has nothing to do with money. China and Russia have been emboldened by it; pretend allies like Turkey know they can do the things that should get them booted from NATO with impunity; a nuclear war almost occurred between Pakistan and India and not one of the morons we call our fwellow Am,ericans noticed. Obama plainly said he was aware of the Ruyssians interfering and did nothing because he didn't want to influence the lection and yet that fucking retard is some kind of icon to the Democrats because no one has made a big deal about the fact he let it happen. The effect on me is simple: I now view democrats as my mortal enbemies instead of political opponents. The Federal Government is the enemy of the American people.
@ski - I’m going to regret asking this but I’ve heard arguments from the right that the Russian interference had no impact on the 2016 election. Do you share that view? I’ve also heard the argument you made that it was Obama’s fault for doing nothing about it. If Obama’s inaction had no effect than why are you critical of what he didn’t do?
How do those two points reconcile?
Or are you saying that Obama’s inaction is the reason Trump got elected and that you’re mad about that?
Has it not occurred to anyone that, if Russia did interfere, that they were playing both sides with the intention of causing exactly the type of chaos that they did? After all, most of that bogus intel in the Steele dossier came from a Russian operative. Seems to me that Russia got exactly what they wanted from all of this and the mainstream press were all too willing to help.
Russia are kang of the trolls.
My view is that the Russians wanted the left/right divide to deepen into hatred in order to paralyze our Government. I don't believe they ever believed Americans were stupid enough to be taken in by bullshit on social media and vote accordingly. I appear to have been wrong, but I never anticipated that NUY, Wapo, CNN, Msnbc would be so taken in that they would ignore the fact that they should publish the news and simply became anti Trump rags. I blame Obama for letting the divide worsen by noty calling out the Russians immediately. I blame him for not calling out the Russians when he was in power, instead doing it like a simp as a private citizen, and more than that I blame him for being a pussy and throwing sanctions on the Russians as he left office. Trump was elected due to the fact that left wingers read the aforementioned fake news sites and that most Americans don't. They are just as stupid as when they nominated Kerry and looked befuddled when he lost. Clinton lost. Trump didn't win. I am not mad Trump won. I wouldn't and didn't vote for him, but I no longer considerDemocrats to be Americans so I will never vote for them. It is time to end all immigration. All of it and deport every friggen illegal.
CA is doing very well thank you. What budgetary problems there are can be traced entirely to when voters were duped into passing Prop 13 and decoupling real estate prices from property taxes. But even this will eventually be worked out.
SJG
@Ski - btw, I am also horrified that the escalation between India and Pakistan barely got covered for a minute.
Similarly, the pro Trumpers were so focused on keeping him out of impeachment that they shrugged off the fact that Mueller seems to have proven that the Russians are Guccifer 2.0 and connected to Assange/Wikileaks and still nobody is doing anything about it.
@CallMeMoron
Less impressive, true. But $50 is $50.
I'm not saying that there isn't more waste elsewhere. It seems you are saying that since there is so much other waste the govt should be free to waste in other programs so long as it is on a smaller scale.
You, sir, are an idiot.
Not to mention a racist for not caring about cops killing unarmed innocent black men.
Flagooner said "@CallMeMoron..."
Nawww... guy I don't know on the internet calls me mean names. It's adorable.
"It seems you are saying that since there is so much other waste the govt should be free to waste in other programs so long as it is on a smaller scale."
Still wrong, but I don't see that trend improving. I'm saying that of all the things one might worry about regarding the Mueller investigation, the cost is far down on the list. But if your big worry is budget efficiency, then tackle the big stuff before focusing on the smaller line items.
Feel free to interpret that incorrectly... again.
"Not to mention a racist for not caring about cops killing unarmed innocent black men."
Nawww... guy I don't know on the internet is trying to bait me into a flame war about race because he doesn't like being called out for faulty reasoning.
Also adorable.
I da kang of da trolls
No fan of Trump, but impeachment is a process and it will be long and drawn out, we are well into the third year of the Trump presidency, instead of running down all these rabbit holes doesn’t any one think it will be more productive to find a candidate that can win and work on that instead of this endless dramatic saga of Orange is the New Black
Trump's a hell of a lot better than Obama, any Bushes or any Clintons.
Impeachment seems to be on, centering on 1. 60 subpoena's the House has issued, 2. Getting the Muller Report, 420 votes to zero, 3. Getting Trump's Tax Returns, 4. Court case against his Emergency Declaration, 5. Rashida Tlaib filing new articles of impeachment.
SJG
Unless there's something earth shattering and irrefutable (... lol...) in the Mueller report, he's not going to be impeached.
But, there could be enough credible evidence of wrongdoing that it could shift the 2020 election.
Impeachment is a political act, not a legal act. As long as dems control the House, impeachment is very possible. Getting a 2/3 conviction in the Senate is something else.
If the Dems impeach Trump, it will have a backlash like the Reps got when they impeached Bill.
12 Republicans crossed over the aisle, to vote against Trump's Emergency Declaration. So we need another 8 to get to 2/3rds.
What we need is in the papers obtained, the smoking gun.
Remember, the vote to make Nixon turn over his tapes was not 67, it was 9 to 0.
SJG
The Democrats can bitch, whine and grandstand. They are not going to impeach anyone. Be nice though, we'd possbily get 10 years of President Pence.
^^^^ Care to contemplate what will be found in the Muller Report? In Trump's foreign business dealings?
SJG
I think it's pretty-much all out war on Trump - it's more about weakening him as much as possible for 2020 vs impeachment or anything else (since it's unlikely he will be impeached given the Republican controlled Senate).
I think I heard Mueller is looking into possible Trump campaign finance improprieties - seems this is beyond the so-called collusion and looking to get/weaken him anyway possible.
I think it could go either way, depending on what they find.
SJG
I dont believe the economy is all that great .
I believe the populace is totally burned out on the media's never ending feigned outrage of Trump's antics. I know I am. Dude is a lunitic. We get it.
Papi posted: "I think I heard Mueller is looking into possible Trump campaign finance improprieties - seems this is beyond the so-called collusion and looking to get/weaken him anyway possible."
This leaped way beyond the ridiculous collusion narrative many months ago. When all is said and done, Mueller's legacy is going to be one of a partisan hatchet man who used the criminal justice system as a political weapon. Further, if Dems continue to make it acceptable to use the criminal justice system in this way, they are going to set dangerous precedents that go far beyond this President and create a lot of bad consequences.
For example, one thing that distinguishes us from Banana Republics is the peaceful transition of power. What do we think will happen if Presidents start to fear prosecution, by people eager to retaliate against them, once they leave power? The reason that dictators in many countries hold on for dear life, whatever the cost, is because they know what will happen once they are ousted. In the past, our elected leaders understood this, especially newly elected Presidents. Now I just don't trust the ability of our elected Democrats to overcome their emotional hatred and see the bigger picture.
Very good point.
@Dugan that’s just fucking goofy
I’m not even going to try to refute that nonsense, even Trumps fans think that’s stupid.
"I dont believe the economy is all that great ."
Will you expand on your beliefs Nemesisk 7?
25 - agree.
When your campaign manager is discussing polling data with the Russians it's collusion.
And the Mueller is partisan thing is stupid. Republican appointed by republican. Enough.
"And the Mueller is partisan thing is stupid. Republican appointed by republican. Enough."
I've made the same point about five times, but it never sinks in.
At this point it will almost be funny if Mueller clears Trump after he’s been bashing Mueller as partisan for 2 years.
Let’s get real all of you Trump fans here, the man is shit, his continued use of John McCain as a diversion from his own failings is disgusting, and beneath contempt. Any of you guys ever served in the armed services should know dead American soldiers gave their lives for you to be able to argue as Democrats or Republicans, I have been to many veterans cemeteries I’ve never seen a D or an R on the headstone nor have I seen conservative or liberal on a headstone Trump is beyond shameful, I’m not for impeachment because he doesn’t deserve that what he deserves is to lose the next election to a genuine patriot, fuckn bunch of retards.
Yes I feel strongly about this
BTW want to debate policy have at it but this new McCarthyism is absolutely disgusting.
enough of the impeachment crap. just vote him out.
Republicans appointed him to investigate collusion, not to go on a multi-year fishing expedition. The same Republicans who appointed him have long since called for him to wrap this up.
@25: Feel free to jump in with more specifics. Of course, you're one of those people who moved to Florida from NY and started voting for the same types of people who fucked thing up in your former state, which just makes me shake my head. For some reason you love the anti-economic growth, anti-Jewish political party.
^ please Dugan don’t characterize my politics to fit your narrative you don’t know what you’re talking about as usual and when it comes to Trump you are a myopic little ankle biter yourself.
This is a real issue as your man keeps trying to politicize the military, their allegiance is to the constitution not a president, yes he’s the CIC but outside of that he has never served anyone or thing and he is inherently disloyal, and a coward to boot. Took him two years to make a visit to a theatre he has ordered men and women to, got all kinds of deferments back in the day, plenty of wealthy families had children serve so stop your bullshit, he was elected to represent us not bully us, once elected he had a responsibility that he never lived up to, don’t equate my politics with your stupidity, I’ve probably voted for more republicans than you have, so knock it off, I’m not some simpleton like you’re used to arguing with doesn’t matter you disagree with me politically or not, there is a lot of references to my ethnicity in your replies to me. I’m gonna agree with Countryman that you’re a bigoted son of a bitch, and probably a real jackass in real life.
Our economy is boom and bust. What causes the busts? The booms are what cause the busts.
It is our economic system which is completely screwed up.
SJG
Guardians of the Galaxy, starts with Redbone and Jackson 5
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Intermodal Equipmnet
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New truck trailers 53' instead of 40'. So they have 53' containers now too.
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5 section articulated double stack car, so it can carry 10 containers.
www.gbrx.com
Expanded Panama Canal -> Much larger container ships
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Damn @25, are you drunk, or did you just decide to stand in for @Cuntrytard today?
@25: I actually don't like Trump at all as a person, but I very much like his policies and he's been the most effective President in the modern era outside of perhaps Reagan. Not sure what you meant when you claimed that he is bullying "us" though. Do you really feel bullied by him? Because I don't.
Oh, and to be clear, I thought I was references your former religion, not your ethnicity. I actually pegged you for German ancestry when you used a German version of the word for "unclean" (trefe) in another thread instead of the commonly used Yiddish versions (treif, tref or treyf). But I could be wrong. ☺
Hey, tying the two together, I just read an article that had the following summary: "President Trump said the time has come for the U.S. to recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the long-disputed Golan Heights between Israel and Syria." L'chayim I say, though you might say Prost instead. ;)
SJG
There have been boom and bust economy since long before the USA existed.... that is a part of human psychology not economics. But here is a great read on some historical booms and busts
www.investopedia.com
Bust i 1873, first of these global capitalist recessions. But in 1929. After that we used the ideas of John Maynard Keynes. For 40 years, very few problems.
Boom and bust does play on human psychology. But it is the role of the federal gov't to keep it under control.
Then after Reagan got into office and gutted our progressive income tax, the boom and bust cycle started up again. I lose count. But I do see that we are worse off after each cycle.
SJG
You can have employment busts when most of the economy serves only very soft needs, like making new cars.
This what did it in the '30's, allowed for unemployment in excess of 25%.
But today, the need for labor has continued to decrease. Residual Keynessianism is the only thing keeping the busts within some bounds.
Industrial technology gives as the potential to provide for everyone, better than royalty had lived in past times. But our Capitalist Economic system continues to turn it into a huge mess.
SJG
What does it matter to you... as long as your mom throws some hot pockets and funyuns down stairs all is good right?
Like I told you Daddillac, I am happy to talk with you. But you are going to have to refrain from making personal attacks.
SJG
In my opinion Mueller never had a chance, he was fucked coming and going. If he doesn't turn over every stone, go down every path, then the left would say he gave Trump a pass. If he does do that you get Trump and the nutty right start screaming things like "with hunt".
As of yet (I personally don't think it exists) there's nothing to warrant impeachment. The people calling for it are angry and really don't understand it, they were the people calling for it the day he was elected. Democrat politicians, with a few exceptions, don't really want it either. The ones that say they do are simply pandering to their base and/or grabbing a soundbite.
I think Democrats want him out! Just a question of before or after the next election.
SJG
@Flagoneer Fuck you ;)
@Dugan fuck you too former religion who do you think you are I don’t do shaving cream rings ;)
Hey, that wasn't nice
^Well fuck nice ima channel my inner Trump
That is not a personal attack SJG, That is just the truth..... all you want is for someone else to work hard and pay your way. Equality of results and I do not believe in equal results.
@dugan - “I actually don't like Trump at all as a person, but I very much like his policies and he's been the most effective President in the modern era outside of perhaps Reagan.“
Trump gets a lot (too much IMO) of credit for this. He was handed a republican majority in both houses of Congress. Plus McConnell handed him a Supreme Court seat that should have gone to Obama. And with his congressional majority and a court that was at least balanced and more likely right leaning, he still struggled to get what he wanted done. He had to have the senate change the 60 vote filibuster rule to get gorsuch and kavanaugh confirmed. He struggled to get Obamacare neutered. Struggled to get the tax law passed. He’s increased the deficit in a booming economy. We’re going to be paying for that bigly when the economy hits a recession. He got his party destroyed in the midterms.
So, fine, praise his success. But does he deserve credit for it or was he just the beneficiary of the republicans controlling all 3 branches of government? How will he do in the next year or more when he doesn’t have full control of the government? I think McConnell is more deserving of the credit for all of “Trump’s accomplishments” than Trump is.
The Republicans had a majority in both houses, but that in no way means that Trump had a majority. McCain and his butt hurt cronies were never going to help Trump and completely undermined the party (and hurt the country) through selfishness and pettiness.
As for the deficit. That, not the environment, is the biggest issue we face.
Unless you believe we should just print $20T and pay it off, SMH at that stupidity.
Anyway...
Is congress in charge of the budget or the president? Trump got blamed for "shutting down the govt" but he is to blame for the increased deficit too? He gets sued for writing a legal EO that DIVERTS funds that are already approved because Congress doesn't want the President to have the authority but then he gets blamed for the deficit. Can't have it both ways.
Even with microcopic rates, interest payments on the debt cripple any ability to have a balanced budget. Add to that the cost of Obamacare and the ongoing fighting overseas that were present when he enterred office....
And the Dems want to add the Green New Deal to it???? SMH
And, yes, Presidents like Quarterbacks and coaches, get more praise and blame than they deserve. But Trump's policies have had a positive impact and are Making America Great Again.
Any republican president could have accomplished what Trump did with the composition of Congress he had. He basically has been average.
^ without insulting half of the free world and picking fights with war heroes!
Jimmy, only two elected Presidents since Eisenhower did not have the same conditions at some point, usually at the outset of their Administrations. And, per the usual, the pendulum eventually swung the other way and they lost control of one or both houses. It is part of the political cycle.
But I'll give you that Reagan was an exception since he never had full control, but still accomplished extraordinary things. I will also add though that the Democratic Party of yesteryear was not the same that exists today, but rather a more reasonable version that was careful in picking a fight with a President that won by a landslide.
Jimmy, GW Bush had it as well and he squandered the fuck out of it. Obama had it and did almost nothing besides pass that atrocious health care legislation. Clinton had it as well and his landmark pieces of legislation were welfare reform and NAFTA, neither of which is endearing him to the current crop of Dems.
^ >won by a landslide < really now you want to rewrite the dictionary as well as history.
Dugan - You’re saying most presidents with a majority in Congress can pass legislation in line with their agenda (W aside). So you’re agreeing with me that Trump did what any republican would have. Nothing special about this guy.
Jimmy, some can, some can't. I measure effectiveness on results and it is hard to argue that the tax cuts, which have been stunningly stimulative to the economy in too many ways to easily list. So too has his use of executive power to reign in various regulatory agencies and open up needed gas/oil pipelines. He also effectively obtained relief from miserable Obamacare mandates while opening up the insurance market - some for now and more to follow I suspect. He has also redrafted several trade deals, to our net long-term benefit. He is also replenishing our military. He is also the first President to have the guts to formally move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
I could go on, but I won't. The guy has been very busy doing everything in his power to keep his campaign commitments. He doesn't always succeed, but at least he's trying, which is more than can be said for many of our more recent former Presidents.
One thing that irks me though is the budget deficit. I was not happy that Republicans couldn't do more to reign in spending when the tax cuts were passed. We needed something to give the economy a jolt, but I don't want us to rob Peter to pay Paul. We also have a looming Social Security and Medicare crisis that no president, including Trump, has the guts to try to tackle. I am concerned that collective political cowardice is going to lead us into an epic crisis that our children and grandchildren are going to be forced to confront.
Suffice to say we disagree on his successes and whether his actions caused any of the effects. My responses would be typical of what you’d hear on CNN so I’ll spare everyone that. Btw, that last sentence is something I never thought I’d write. I’m still a registered republican and Trump is the only republican presidential candidate in my lifetime for whom I didn’t vote.
There are other things he did that others I don't think would have had the balls to do.
3 stand out
^ so the tax cuts were good yet you’re worried about the budget deficit talk about wanting you’d cake and eating it too.
A bit of historical fact for you the last time the national debt was paid off was in 1835 under President Andrew Jackson.
And in modern times the only balanced budgets were once with Richard Nixon three times with Bill Clinton once under George W. Bush but that was really a holdover from the Clinton era.
Trump is failing miserably on the concerns you’ve mentioned, but sure his campaign promises are being kept, right SMH
ISIS was defeated yesterday. They are gone. Kaput. They no longer exist.
Of course, the mainstream media is giving this HUGE achievement almost no coverage.
Incidentally, ISIS was largely a result of the Obama pull out from Iraq, along with arms shipments by the US to the moderate rebels ( also know as ISIS ) in Syria.
^ Still fighting maybe close but it’s not over yet.
25: Obama ran us up from $11 to 20 trillion during his time in office. And yes, I'm not thrilled that Trump has added another 2 trillion since.
But if you look objectively at what flag, mark, I and others have posted, then yes, he's doing everything to keep his promises. What he has accomplished on a number of fronts is remarkable. Go back and look at the last few Presidents and see what they promised vs. what they did, or even tried to do, and you'll find a lot more daylight than between those same metrics for Trump. Now plenty of people don't like what he promised, but that's another matter entirely.
I know his corporate history as well as you do. I wouldn't lend an organization owned by him a fire extinguisher if their offices were ablaze. I also wish that the President that we saw during the State of the Union is the one that we always have rather than this skin-skiinned one who spends way too much time on Twitter. But I can't fault his policy positions, outside of immigration, or his willingness to do whatever he can to keep his campaign promises.
But taking down ISIS was just beating the JV.
@Rick Dugan that’s the problem you guys aren’t looking at it objectively, I actually am, my fear is one of those far left wingers get elected as a counterpoint to this over arching extreme right wing overreach, you can’t tout all of his accomplishments without acknowledging his failures and as far as I can see his followers tend to think that there aren’t consequences to come.
I’d be satisfied if he’d stop acting like a buffoon and started representing everyone as a President should.
^"@Rick Dugan that’s the problem you guys aren’t looking at it objectively, I actually am, ..."
You must have been laughing when you wrote that. I almost spit out my coke when i read it.
^ Whatever your objectivity was never in doubt, you haven’t any!
25, who isn't he representing? Don't we all benefit from a much stronger economy and more modern national defense? It's the very epitome doing things to benefit all. I'm also not sure I'm on board with "extreme right wing overreach" - what specifically?
I also don't believe that the country is going to run to the far left. I just don't think that wack jobs like Bernie or Warren are electable in a national election. In fact, I'm fervently hoping that one of the extremists wins the Dem nomination. My biggest fear is that a more purportedly centrist type, like O'Rourke or Biden, will win the primaries and bleed away Independent and moderate voters who find Trump's personality to be distasteful. But if it comes down to a match between Trump and someone who wants to take away employer sponsored healthcare and jack up individual taxes, I very much like Trump's chances.
But I'll agree with you at least about his behavior and I think it is hurting him now.
I also think the Dems are now extremely vulnerable on the abortion issue given what NY just passed. You won't find many moderates who are ok with the killing of a viable baby jus because it hasn't come out yet. A number of those extremists are Senators who are now on record voting against life saving measures for babies that survive abortions. Good luck to them defending that one during a general election.
Damn, I hate carrying on with these discussions. I'm a one thumb typist on my phone.
My personal opinion is that lack of fiscal responsibility by all of our elected officials is going to be the cause of a downward spiral in this country, that coupled with our governments lack of citizen oversight is the real problem here, realistically who approved these folks living in the grand manner that they seem to think they’re entitled to. It is fucking obscene, senators, congressmen, being chauffeured in limos, eating thousand dollar lunches, free air travel, that is the real problem, these fucks have health care, vacations, all sorts of perks from a barbershop to a tailor all paid for by the taxpayers. Let them live in a dorm, and brown bag lunch, they work less than a full week most leave Washington on Thursday and return on Monday what’s that a three day work week plus they are not even in session 10 full months a year. That’s why this country is in trouble.
Lazy fuckers all, from the President on down, this is no way to run a country.
^ @25 +1
Hey, I agree with one of your posts.
All this baseless impeachment talk is just a bunch of sore losers crying because their candidate lost. Now they want to change the rues, eliminate the Electoral College, give 16 year old kids the vote, "crazy"!
It reminds me of the Sore-Loserman bumper stickers from 2000.
Remember them?
change the "rules" not rues.
Never had a President with these sorts of foreign business entanglements, or with this talk of foreign election tampering, or who actually spoke to encourage such, or with the evidence that some was done via this Cambridge Analytica and Facebook.
A fluke nomination, prominent Republicans denouncing him, including past nominees McCain and Romney, and past President Bush.
Never had a President with this level of financial intrigue, bullying banks to forgive $3Gig , but then seemingly being able to use that to pay no tax?
Never had a recent candidate who refused to disclose tax returns.
Never had a President who had to be overruled by SCOTUS so many times.
Never had a President who seems to encourage right wing mob violence.
SJG
Rumor is, there are a couple dozen sealed indictments just waiting for the end of Muellers investigation. It’s all the people who are behind the fake Steele dossier, lying to the FISA court, lying to Congress, and leaking to the press. Comey, Brennan, McCabe, the Ohrs, and on and on. These are actual crimes with tons of evidence in the form of texts and emails. There have also been rumors that some of the guilty have already been flipped.
^ The trap is set The Muellar Report, is going to be the first shot in the 2020 election, if it’s not released will be proof that the president and his people consider themselves above the law, if it is released but redacted, will be another problem, if it’s released in its entirety will either help or hurt the president, I predict that it will be redacted and cause the president to lose the election.
Of course there are going to be redacted sections, if for no other reason than the classifed nature of some of the sources. There are no other indictments being recommended, hence none of the players are being charged with collusion, treason, conspiracy to commit election fraud or anything else of a serious nature related to Russia. I give more credit to the American people to understand all of this once the dust settles and the ridiculous noise finally subsides. I also believe that, once Trump wins re-election in 2020, he will pardon those former advisers who were casualties in this political witch hunt.
Seriously @25?
Does your jealousy and hatred of our President not allow you to be rational?
^^ My read of this is looks like we have a bit of news but we don’t know exactly what that news is yet; my thoughts were educated guesses, based on the three scenarios posited by Hannity on Fox News unless you guys are Bob Barr or Rod Rosenstein I doubt you know any more than I do.
President hasn’t commented as yet leading me to believe that this isn’t so positive for him, as you think.
Obama politicized the DOJ and FBI. He put loyalists, like Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, in place to do his personal bidding. They repeatedly broke the law to harm his political opponents, further his agenda, and cover up his misdeeds.
Hillary Clinton did the same thing in the State Dept.
If Hillary Clinton had been elected, none of this would have been known. That’s why people like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were so reckless in texting their misdeeds. That’s why Loretta Lynch met Bill Clinton to craft a strategy for protecting Hillary on the email server. They assumed the deep state would protect them. They left a long trail of evidence implicating themselves.
When Trump was elected, the only way they could protect themselves was to bring Trump down. A small group of senior political appointees, maybe 25 to 50 in number, went all in to undercut Trump. Leaks of classified info. Lies to Congress. Most importantly, forcing the appointment of a Special Counsel to investigate Trump. As long as the SC was operating, they were safe. Any move on them would be portrayed as interference in the SC investigation. That strategy worked, until now.
However, a parallel investigation has been quietly going on behind the scenes. The DOJ Inspector General has been collecting evidence of the wrongdoing of the group that has been trying to bring Trump down. He has passed this info on to the US Attorney in Utah who Jeff Sessions ordered to investigate these matters. Now that Mueller is done, all that evidence can see the light of day.
It’s going to be glorious.
"President hasn’t commented as yet leading me to believe that this isn’t so positive for him, as you think."
It's funny how you interpret everything to be a negative towards our president, and you don't recognize it. The jealousy and hatred runs deep.
Seriously @25?
Does your jealousy and hatred of our President not allow you to be rational?
HUH What jealousy ? Hatred that's to strong of a word, try dislike, and what isn't rational ?
You are minimizing again. Yes, jealousy and hatred.
Rational may have been the wrong word, but it certainly dictates your perceptions.
i wouldn't read too much into Trump showing rare restraint by not yet commenting on the report until he knows what's in it. The Attorney General just received it yesterday afternoon and, from all report, it is long, likely breaking down every action taken by Mueller's team and including various Exhibits. Ridiculous ankle biters like Booker, Harris and Warren know full well that the report will take time to analyze and will likely need to be redacted to protect classified sources, yet that hasn't stopped them from posting entirely disingenuous and rabble rousing "Release Now" comments.
I am glad that this report was submitted now instead of several months from now. There are still 20 months until the general election and we know that Dems are going to latch on and spin pieces of this report, regardless of whether there is any underlying proof or substance, because sadly that is all they are good for right now. The long window provides sufficient time for the noise and hyperbole to run its course and for the reality that nobody was charged with anything remotely approaching collusion to sink in.
Net-net I don't think that this is going to help the Dems at all. In fact, if they spend the next 20 months on endless investigations and fishing expeditions despite the lack of any collusion-related charges against anyone, I think they are going to give back control of the house to Republicans. Bookmark these comments now. ;)
Unsubstantiated further investigations will only serve to support the witch hunt claims and hurt the dems for being the petty, vindictive, sore losers that they are.
@Dugan when has not being up to speed on anything stopped this President from commenting on his Twitter?
LOL, when has it ever stopped any of us from posting here?
^ Lol
25, this guy built a real estate empire AND got elected as President. I suspect he's not as stupid as you seem to believe. ;) Sure he shoots off the hip way too much at times, but he undoubtedly knows better than to do so on this one. Either that or his senior aides are hiding his phone or holdings his arms right now. ;) But either way I wouldn't expect any comments from him until the AG and his staff have time to break this thing down.
I’m leaning towards Ivanka and Jared hiding the phone, his real estate empire is really an oxymoron.
Right now he already has a big win simply because their are no further indictments coming, especially relating to collusion, conspiracy, etc. That is huge. Even he knows better (I think) than to muddy a win with knee jerk comments - or at least his advisors do. ;)
"there' are no...
^ Dont forger this is a guy who went bankrupt while owning a casino LOL
Lol 25, I know all too well. I also know that he eventually came out on top, despite multiple business bankruptcies. He learned after the first one and stopped putting his own personal assets at risk.
Lol 25, I know all too well. I also know that he eventually came out on top, despite multiple business bankruptcies. He learned after the first one and stopped putting his own personal assets at risk.
The jealousy and hatred just can't be controlled, can it?
^ Not very easy, sort of like love and blind loyalty
Flag, it's possible to like him as a President, for policy and execution reasons, and not like him as a person.
As laid out in this thread, he has accomplished a shit ton, far more than I could have ever realistically hoped for and he has done everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. I have no reason to believe at this point that he will stop if he is re-elected.
But as a person, I don't like his behavior or his business ethics. He's burned so many business partners and investors over the years that most banks won't do business with his organizations anymore and most institutional/hedge fund real estate investors won't touch any development deal with the Trump name on it. So I can't help but agree with 25 regarding Trump's character flaws, even if we disagree about the politics.
I've mentioned on here many times that I think he is an ass. He is.
But it does no good to allow that sentiment to keep me from being objective, or at least as objective as possible.
I guess that was the word I was looking fo. Objective, not rational.
Like it or not, he is out President. And a successful presidency is good for the country.
Our, not out
From the Babylon Bee comedy website. Students of American History will understand.
WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a major breakthrough for the Mueller investigation, the head of the FBI's special counsel on Russian interference ordered President Trump to sit on a large golden scale in order to see if he weighs the same as a duck.
So... no collusion, and kind of a no comment on obstruction...but why would you obstruct when you're innocent?
This has basically been my thought all alone when people freaked out when trump took Putins word over our own FBI.
If you were totally innocent and someone said to you:
hey, I'd like you to meet the smartest agents in the whole world, the FBI.
Oh, hi nice to meet you
They think you are involved in a huge crime and coverup
Oh...so the FBI, full of the smartest agents in the whole world are a bunch of idiots, gotcha. I now have zero respect for them....and tweet
I have 25 in block because hels a moron, but I'm sure he's going to still think trump's guilty of something...which is what a moron would would say. So to whatever he comments, my response is, your a fucking moron.
Someone let General know I have returned the favor, too bad he can't take any criticism of his homosexual crushes.
LOL
He did all of the following and more in his first two years. Some Presidents don't get this much accomplished in 8 years:
He championed and signed comprehensive tax reforms which have been stunningly stimulative to the economy in too many ways to easily list.
He used executive power to reign in various regulatory agencies and opened up needed gas/oil pipelines, both of which also goosed more economic activity.
He effectively obtained relief from miserable Obamacare mandates while opening up the insurance market by expanding the allowable use of short-term and association plans - some for now and more to follow I suspect.
He redrafted several international trade deals, to our net long-term benefit.
He is the first President to have the guts to formally move our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and support Israeli sovereignty over Golan Heights.
He pulled us out of that ridiculous Paris climate accord, which was lopsided against the U.S.
ISIS was finally defeated – a huge victory that has largely been uncovered in the press.
Like him or not, he's done everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. He's been a busy dude.
I'm with Rick......He's done better than I expected......and a million times better than if old Hillary had been elected. Is he perfect....hell no. Is he a pig.....yep. I don't get the racism comments....I think some of you are working off of false or partial information on that.
Personally, I think he has a very good chance to win in 2020. Not because he's so good....but because the nutjobs the Democrats are putting up for the nomination.
^+1
My standard line is no matter how bad you think Trump has done he still isn't as bad as Hillary.
BTW those of you with short term memories might need to recall this period of time.................politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com
Because there are plenty of them out there.....that is if you are persistent enough to avoid the Google matrix that tends to bury this stuff .....I
Trump will be lucky to be remembered as a stain on the underpants of American history.
That said, I currently know of no sustainable grounds for his impeachment. Incompetence, ignorance, racism, mendacity and unpopularity are insufficient grounds for his removal.
Unless damning new evidence comes to light the proper remedy is that he not be re-elected and that Americans hold their noses until he is removed from office by voters.
Let these Trumpets have their fun, if the Republicans don’t get their act together and start acting fiscally responsible they are going to be waking up on the day after the 2020 election trying to figure out exactly where they went wrong
Articles of Impeachment
sherman.house.gov
SJG
Yeah, when I think of Democrats, the first thing that comes to mind is fiscal responsibility and small government.
So, here’s how the next 18 months will play out.
Trump will travel every week to a swing state like Florida, Michigan, or Pennsylvania. He will give a speech about a popular initiative like infrastructure and ask for democrats to work with him.
Meanwhile, there will be 20 candidates for the democratic nomination competing to see who can support the most outrageous proposals like banning cars and paying slave reparations.
The economy will stay strong and we will negotiate many trade deals that are favorable to the US.
The Deep Staters responsible for trying to bring down Trump will face legal actions. Details of their treasonous acts will become known to the general public. The scope of their crimes will be shocking.
"Let these Trumpets have their fun,..."
Woo Hoo!!!
PARTY TIME
Obama is meeting with Freshmen Democrat Congressmen tonight. It’s an attempt to get them under control. The Socialust ideas and impeachment talk are hurting the Democrats politically.
I doubt his attempt will succeed.
@Mark94
So then explain how the deficit and the debt have gotten so large,, since Eisenhower, In my lifetime Republicans have a slight edge, in overall growth and expansion of government. As a matter of fact if memory serves of the five most recent balanced budgets one was under Nixon, the others were Clinton and Obama, and the last time the nations debt was paid in full was a Democrat Andrew Jackson close to 200 years ago. But sure find a way to spin that into your wacky conspiracy theories.
Oh, the Republicans have plenty of blame when it comes to spending other people’s money, but they are in the minor leagues compared to Democrats. Social Security. Medicare. Medicaid. Welfare. Most recently, Obamacare.
If these programs didn’t exist, or if they were designed in a way to operate efficiently, the deficit would disappear.
? I thought Clinton was the last balanced budget?.....and he had Newt pulling him into reality to get there.
I'm not aware of Obama having a budget for a few years ( Reid/Pelosi at their best) and never that it was budgeted.
@ Mark SS and Medicare are paid for by the recipients if the politicians stopped raiding the funds and left them alone that would go a long way towards paying the bills, if you got rid of Obamacare which is the next big push the government will be on the hook for Medicaid on steroids, welfare is trivial compared to the military budget, I believe we spend more on the military than the next 15 or 20 big spenders combined
@warrenboy maybe it was Bush 2 that had a balanced budget the first year after Clinton that might be a memory lapse on my part.
Obama had a balanced budget.... not once in 8 years did he have an approved budget, so for him the heavy spender that was completely balanced. Fucking idiot
Obama is the fucking idiot not 25.... just clearing that up before it becomes a question
Medicare costs nearly a Trillion dollars a year. Forty percent of that is paid by general revenue ( income taxes ). Forty percent is paid by payroll tax ( on younger people who are still working ). There is no trust fund for self funding by the recipients. It’s a fucking Ponzi scheme that has run its course.
When Clinton was in office her created the "Social Security Trust Fund".... which actually had no money in it. Basically Clinton recalculated future SS retirement benefits with a different Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA). He had Oil and food removed from the calculation, so gas prices could go to 25 dollars a gallon and eggs 25 dollars a dozen and SS would get NO increase because the COLA was not triggered. So this change created future cash for the trust fund without reducing current benefits but certainly screwing future benefits. Then Bush comes in and spends the fictional money on the war. Then Obama spends the rest of it on QE. NONE of them are 100% responsible for the shit but all played a hand in it
Social Security is a little over a Trillion dollars per year. Ninety percent of that is paid through payroll taxes on younger working people. There is no trust fund ( well, there is, but it’s a hoax ).
Current recipients will receive far more, on average, than they ever paid in payroll taxes during their working years.
When Social Security first started, there were 20 working people paying for each retiree’s benefits. Now, it’s closer to 2 to 1. Again, a Ponzi scheme whose time is running out.
Three major categories of government spending
Only one of these three is authorized in the Constitution.
^ Social Security?
Provide for the common defense
Its all covered:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
usconstitution.net
SJG
Monica Lewinsky sounds off on the Mueller report
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Gordon Lightfoot Sundown
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Led Zeppelin: Live on TV BYEN/Danmarks Radio 1969
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I should get a reward for having 150+ comments on this discussion thread which I posted !
Would you settle for a 9" dildo shoved up your ass?
Lol
The combined Social Security payroll tax ( EE Plus ER) is 12.4%. That means that a worker in his 20s making $40,000 per year is paying $5,000 per year, which goes in the pocket of senior citizens, some of them millionaires.
Given the Ponzi scheme nature of SS, it is unlikely younger workers will get much of that money back when they reach 65.
In what universe does this arrangement make sense ?
@Mark I’ll make a deal on SS with you since y’all want to renegotiate my contract, give me back what I paid in plus 4% and I’ll let you off the contract, that money wasn’t supposed to be used for anything other than my retirement your government didn’t allow me to opt out, so live up to your end of the bargain especially since you’ve already got my money.
25: To paraphrase from Animal House “ You fucked up. You trusted the government when they said SS was a personal investment arrangement. That money you “contributed” is long gone.”
^ I didn’t fuck up you guys did when you wrote the contract pay up or shut up.
@25, you signed a contract?
^ I take your remarks with the sincerity you intended, unless I’m not understanding you correctly, y’all are willing to forego your SS benefits and refund them to the US Treasury.
Actually I call Bullshit.
There is a fair way to transition from a Defined Benefit Plan, like Social Security, to a Defined Contribution Plan.
First, you freeze benefit accruals at their current levels.Then, you begin making contributions to individual accounts.
Workers in their 20s and 30s come out as big winners since they have many years to build wealth. Current retirees continue to get their payments. They don’t win or lose. Workers in their 40s and 50s would come up short, so they get extra payments to make them whole.
This transition would cost more in the short run because of extra payments to those in their 40s and 50s but be less costly, and provide better benefits, in the long run. Plus, the benefit promise would be funded in a real trust.
Picking apart Social Security, one of the most popular federal programs ever devised. What will there right wing think tanks come up with next. Mark94, are these the kinds of places you get your info.
SJG
Hey faggooner the Mueller report is still not public
There's nothing in it.
TBH I never saw Trump as an agent, more of a stooge.
Biden and Sanders lead trump in all the polls . Impeachment !
To remove someone from office requires two things
Never gonna happen
nemesick7,
Did you hear that hillary lead Donald Trump in the polls? And guess who's the President?
mark,
And one critical thing thing, it is for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". 2 1/2 years, many millions of dollars, and a team OUT TO GET PRESIDENT TRUMP and they couldn't charge him with a parking ticket .
Remember that idiot adam schiff saying over and over and over he had seen the evidence. So why is the house still looking? Easy, trying to stretch this fiasco out to 2020 election.
I read a line recently that Trump is a 14yr old boy trapped in a man's body. Anyone agree?
I agree
Pence would be a lame duck president. Trump needs to be impeached and made accountable for his crimes.
Impeachment doesn’t mean what you guys think it does, we’ve never had a president removed from office due to impeachment
There’s that too
The Southern District of New York is a lot bigger of a concern for Trump than impeachment. When he loses the 2020 election, he's royally fucked.
^ hes 70 something years old, grossly over weight, his diet consists of crap like fried chicken and cheeseburgers, hell tie the southern district up for a few years before he drops dead, basically just vote the prick out in 2020.
LOL, I am happy Trump is president and I will vote for him again in 2020 unless something crazy happens
I believe that Trump is going to face international prosecution.
SJG
I believe you live in your mothers basement, eating macaroni and cheese, writing on forums all day
I also read about the German NGO's which have war crimes indictments on Donald Rumsfeld and G. W. Bush. You won't see either of these guys at October Fest, ever.
And look at what the key legal precedents are:
en.wikipedia.org
SJG
Don't care about the polls they were wrong last time , and will be again. Biden can't even fill a middle school gymnasium for a rally, Trump has people camping out days ahead of time. I didn't vote in the last election because I didn't want to pick the lesser of evils. I am voting Trump this time, because there are no Democrats who are even slightly better than a pile of hot garbage.
Last time Trump faced one of the most unlikable candidates I've ever seen, she was despised by large swaths of her own party.
I don't know how it'll go, lots of time left, but I don't think it's any kind of slam dunk.
aoc is favorable in her own district at a 17% clip. That tells me that the lefter the left goes, the less chance they have!
Hell, they couldn't beat Donald Trump who had no real track record and tried all kinds of illegal or shady ways to defeat him!
BTW, it seems aoc is quickly becoming the face of the dimos in the House.
AOC is the face of Fox News, a total bullshit news source, attacking the Democrats. AOC has completely changed the terms of the debate, pulled it many steps to the Left, making up for decades of shifting to the Right.
SJG
Joy Mills: The Secret Doctrine---100 Years Later
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And Papi, no one wants the government to be Santa Clause. We all live in this world, we all have legitimate claims.
Lassies Faire failed horribly in the 1920's, it has been ever worse since.
If things are going to continue, then we have to have Social Democracy just to save Capitalism from itself.
SJG
25,
I'm 70 something years old, just lost 60 of weight, my diet consists of low carbs and my doctor says every month I am just fine! Remember JFK was only 46 and had nothing to do with weight or diet,
All you retards banging the anti-Trump drum by ramping up the stupid shit that happened in the last election are just guaranteeing that he wins again.
prevert,
I do so wish that those on the right would stop pointing out how idiotic the left is being, and instead, ENCOURAGE them to continue!
@Club I’m glad you’re getting healthy again, that’ll allow you more time to enjoy those new grandchildren, but Trumps most likely to lose the next election and impeachment won’t make a damn bit of difference, guys like you that keep rooting on his continued unpresidential behavior best hedge a bit, if y’all don’t, the knee jerk is gonna get a far leftist elected, and that will be just as bad.
^^^^^ Not all Leftists are knee jerkers.
SJG
25,
Thanks, but health isn't my issue, rather my SO's. That is why I retired, to be a caretaker to some degree. Just the one grandson.
As for President Trump, same ol' story as before November 8, 2016. I'll take another of those "most likely to lose the next election" prograstinations.
Never had their been a candidate who was denounced by the leaders of his own party, before the primary season ended, and then with some even boycotting the convention.
And then the tax returns issue and his obstruction of the Russian election interference investigation.
Only thing even remotely like that is Watergate.
SJG
Bullying the banks into forgiving $3 billion, and then instead of having to pay tax on that, which is the basic law, he is still able to somehow make it all into one big tax deduction.
And violating campaign laws, seemingly, to pay off a mistress.
No precedent for this in our nation's history.
SJG
Trying to pursue business interests overseas, Trump tower in Moscow.
He never expected to be elected President, never thought he would be elected. Just want to be able to get more money for "The Apprentice".
Impeachment Articles already filed by Brad Sherman and Al Green.
SJG
club, we’ll see what happens won’t we.
President Donald Trump is determined to win re-election because he expects to be immediately arrested if he loses in 2020, according to legal analyst and Above the Law editor Elie Mystal.
Appearing on MSNBC’s AM Joy Saturday morning, Mystal began his comments in response to a portion of Michael Cohen‘s Wednesday testimony before the House Oversight Committee, wherein the former Trump attorney and fixer claimed there were additional criminal acts and inquiries surrounding Trump in the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
“SDNY is coming,” Mystal began. “The irony here that I hope is not lost on people is that the Trump Organization–which appears to be a massive criminal front–is so small potatoes that if Trump hadn’t run for president, SDNY wouldn’t care. SDNY cares about stopping terrorism and stopping massive international bank fraud. Putting SDNY on the Trump Organization is a little bit like bringing in Sherlock Holmes to figure out who framed Roger Rabbit.”
Mystal’s quip about the two fictional characters elicited laughter from both host and fellow guest.
But Mystal wasn’t kidding. He continued:
These are such cartoonish criminals that now the SDNY is on it, they’re all going down. And the key thing from Michael Cohen’s testimony–besides all the information he laid out and all the corroboration that he had–is that he issued, basically, a warning to the rest of the people in the Trump Organization from the CFO Allen Weisselberg all the way down to the secretary: you lie for Trump, you’re going to get got. SDNY is lining all of them up.
Mystal went on to implicate Deutsche Bank in a possible money laundering scheme involving the Trump Organization before delivering his prediction about Trump’s alleged legal jeopardy in lower Manhattan.
“When Cohen says that Trump was inflating his assets to get a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills–Michael Cohen wasn’t trying to buy the Buffalo Bills,” Mystal insisted. “Donald Trump was. You know what the statute of limitations is on bank fraud that apparent happened in 2014? It’s ten years.”
“Wow,” host Joy-Ann Reid said.
Mystal went on:
This election is so important for Donald Trump, because if he does not win, SDNY is going to be waiting with cuffs on his way out the door. To me, that is the key that Cohen said–was that he brought this new information that the statute of limitations has not run on.
www.newsweek.com
^ He’s been small potatoes most of his life, but he’s got a big mouth, he came close to getting busted by the State of NJ a few years back he brought his way out by vacating his casinos, he’s also been implicated in NYC both bank fraud cases and by the Taxi and Limosine commission with Cohen about taxi medallion fraud, as well as various zoning boards for tax evasion and fraud with regard to understated real estate valuations.
It ain’t gonna be pretty but he’s going to get off but his family is going to be suffering
25,
As one that had a father-in-law that was involved in local government and a owned several businesses, I will tell you you thoughts above, at least the "details", is part and parcel of business and government interactions at ALL levels. Often the same incident could be described by one party as "fraud" and the other as "shrewd". Perhaps "buyer beware". Just like looking at an object and what one sees is determined by their perspective.
Clubber
Blatantly untrue fraud and self dealing are avoided by all ethical business people!
Ethical folks avoid ever the appearance of such
25,
Problem is, "ethical business people" is a very broad term. I would bet that many you would put in that group would not pass intense scrutiny.
Club, bullshit
25,
One's opinion is just that, an opinion. And if you think all people have the same ethical standards, I've some land to sell you out west of me!
No sale bud
25,
Not to worry, Federal lands. :)
club any way you try to spin it your boy has run out of people to do business with, he has a history of short and nonpayment, using every loophole he can find to get other people to pay his bills, ethical business people pay their debts on time as agreed, he has such a poor reputation in NYC he can’t even get a loan from American banks, that’s where they’re going to get him, you’ll find out soon enough.
Insurance fraud, bank fraud, tax evasion and tax fraud, you name it. The Trump Organization is going down along with The Donald. When the shit hits the fan, I'm curious if Melania leaves him or sticks around.
I agree, Trump and his org are going down, and likely DJT will face international Crimes Against Humanity prosecution over the family separation.
SJG
25,
I do hope you don't rest your hopes on that, yet, seems you do. That is sad.
^ the date to settle this is Tuesday November 3 2020
I’ll respond on Wednesday November 4 2020
25,
God willing, I'll be here, and you as well, I hope.
A bitch getting old!
I pray the democrats impeach Trump because that ends their 20220 chances. It is obvious that Trump derangement syndrome has caused a fracture in the democratic party and a few more bangs with a sledgehammer and poof, they will be two parties. Right now the Democrat who wins the nomination will be so scarred that they will lose to the idiot Trump. More voters understand that the democrats do nothing but steal taxpayer moneyu to buy votes. Crimes against hukmanity for keeping illegal scumbags out? lol SJG only someone from the idot foreign state of california wouldn't understand how hated Californiuans are to most Americans. I understand your point 25. My point is this: I would rather see America burned to a cinder than have aprogressive in office. I loved my America. Thius current version can go fuck off and die. Most fucked up term of the day? "social democray". Means absoliutely zero, which coincidentally is the same human value of the people espousing it. I will never vote for Trump because I won't vote for people I hate, but its the same reason I won't vote for any of the turds running for the nomination from the Democratic party for President.
People have been predicting the end of America since 1776 yet here we are.
I could care less who is in office in 2020. As long as it's not Trump.
I wish America's Chief Rapist was only a threat to defenseless women, but unfortunately he's leading us into a senseless war with Iran every time he opens his big mouth.
From here until the election, it only gets worse for Trump. Mueller testifies soon and Mueller's employees are beginning to speak. In addition, courts are finally granting access to Trump's financials. The light is going to start shining on all of the cockroaches in Trump's closet. His financial ties to Russia, his obstruction of justice, his insurance fraud, bank fraud, and tax fraud will all come to light in the coming months. It will hit a crescendo before the election and the emperor will have no clothes. He'll have no shot come election day and then the Southern District of NY will bring both him and the Trump Organization down once he leaves office.
I just hope they are kind enough to lube him up before he gets fucked.
The good news is, after he loses the election, he'll start a new reality show which will track his entire family. It will make a ton of money, which will help pay for all of his legal bills and for his divorce lawyers when Melania leaves him.
Forget about the politics of the matter if any of you Trumpublicans are willing to be honest, how unseemly it is to see the occupant of arguably the most powerful position on earth, exchanging insults with a relatively unknown female soccer player.
It’s disgusting to say the least and he needs to go.
Yes Trump exchanging insutls with a muslim scumbag is obviously not as good as obama the nothing making it a point to go on a world tour grovellinbg before the muslims. After all look at all the wonders he did in the Middle East, such as giving Iran enough money to keep Assad in power while gassing children. Kudos. I recall no Americans predicitng the end of America in 1776, but hey made up facts always prove a point. great post Old Gringo only been reading the same fucking dumb ass shit for 2 years.. Very original. If Trump wins again what will the fucktards on the left whine about then?
^ I asked a simple question all you’re doing is answering with a whataboutism, can’t anyone stick to the topic at hand Obama is no longer part of this, if you can’t admit that it’s unseemly than there is no debate, you’re just venting.
What happens under a subsequent president is oftentimes a result of the acts of the predecessor. To claim that Obama is not part of this means a one sided lecture, or rant If you prefer, so have fun.
^ I tell you what skibum if a person came into family court where you were practicing and acted like our current president what do you think would happen ?
I don't think Trump is the picture of the perfect president....but I would take him over any of the far left options the democrats are putting up. Have you seen what happens in leftist countries over time? Why the fuck would anyone want that? It makes no sane sense!
I look forward to Trump wining in 2020 just to watch the left explode.
What we really need is a real Libertarian that will start cutting down the government to the bare minimum like it was supposed to be. Trump lowered taxes and removed regulations....and the economy has been doing well. Why would you want to have more taxes and regulations again when you know what it will do. Again....no sense to it.
Libertarianism is a fantasy of the Right.
We really have no choice but to move to the left, Social Democracy.
Otherwise things will continue to get worse until their is a violent revolution.
SJG
Impeach Hillary
She never made confessions
Save the left wing fags from their wanna be impeachment party. The laws works wonderful miracles for stupid people.
Prim,
Reduce the size of government is what we need. Most people aren't sheep and can take care of themselves. Those that can't, help them.
Those that won't TO DAMN BAD!
Lassies Faire just turns our nation into an economic harvesting zone.
Need UBI.
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IMPEACH THE M FER !!! All time low support 38% !!!!
And guess what asshole Texas will soon be Blue democrat !!! Beto almost won Haha LOL !!
There is little to zero chance of impeaching the sitting president. This is something that hardcore Dems might jerk off to at night, but it’s not going to happen. Since the Muller investigation didn’t discover enough evidence, it’s not going to happen.
Think about it. Clinton finished his term even with all the evidence they had, so without a smoking gun, Trump is fine.
Beto might not even get the Dem nomination. I’d be a little less confident about him moving that state.
I think the more Trump is scrutinized, the more serious impeachable offenses will be found.
Prosecution in the international court continues to increase in its likelyhood.
SJG
nemesisk7
"How many agree ? ? Face it the Trump experiment didnt work ."
Well that was pretty stupid! He was elected in a country that has the OLDEST surviving governing document in the world. Might rethink your "logic", as I believe it works DAMN WELL!
^^ You gotta be gay
VH,
Your idiocy has astounded me. Then I smacked my forehead and said "Dummy, he is just one of the TUSCL clowns as no one can truly be that nuts!"
Sorry I misread you.
I don’t want that fat slob impeached I want the same voters that elected him to kick his fat ass back to Queens County, hopefully to never be heard from again making him nothing but an irrelevant asterisk in the history books.
There are a lot of parallels between the current politics in the U.K. and US. One third of the voters are nationalists ( Brexiteers/Trump), one third are globalists ( Remainers), and one third will vote for whoever they think will deliver Peace and Prosperity.
During the Brexit referendum, over half voted to leave but Parliament was about 2/3 Remainers. For 3 years, Parliament has pretended to support Brexit but done everything they can to undermine it. That’s a lot like the current Congress. They undermine Trump when ever possible.
The U.K. will likely have a general election in November to reconcile these competing views. That should give a preview of the 2020 US election.
Looking at the Democratic party candidates for president, it appears we'll be rid of Trump in 6 years.
VH is pathetically stupid and us Dougie.
Is loser.
Trump was not an experiment, he represents a complete break down of our electoral system. He'll be history soon.
If not, then probably a civil war.
SJG
Read the history of strip club legal issues:
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LIberals like SJG always dreaming of violence, how are gonna cope with Trump in years 5 through 8.
ha civil war would be great one side with more firearms and ammo than anyone in the world the other side can't even figure out what bathroom to use.
We are still a long way from needing firearms. If it goes to needing them, then the legalities won't matter.
If we can make a stand now over things like bathrooms and Trump, then it will never need to go to firearms.
Don't worry IME, lots of Right Wing blowhards like you. You are not alone, not even a leader.
SJG
hahaha you are so fucking delusional
IME, six legs, flat body, can run fast, the Cock Roach of the Right.
SJG
sjg no balls no brains but bends over for all the dick he can get.
Mongolloyd Schoene you are a true moron if the Boogaloo ever kicked off I guarantee you get mercd on the first night
ime, you are the one who conforms to the herd and gets reamed.
I am totally unlike that.
SJG
Lewandowski hearing devolves into partisan circus
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Lewandowski hearing ( over 3 hours )
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SJG
Whether you are for it or against it, Trump will not be impeached before the 2020. The votes aren't there.
*2020 election.
^^^^^^ The votes to impeach Nixon were not there, until finally they were there.
SJG
It's September 2019. It could never be done in time.
Even if House's current investigation led to a vote by the full House to impeach Trump in early 2020, a Senate trial in an election year would be a pro-Trump campaign commercial and platform for him to motivate his base, which isn't small. And then the Senate would decisively vote against impeachment because they have an easy majority.
So, a positive vote to impeach in the House would only make it harder to evict him from the White House in the most clean, effective and democratic way possible: at the ballot box.
With Nixon it got down to only 4 of the 100 Senators who were willing to stand with him.
Trump has done things at least as bad.
SJG
"Trump has done things at least as bad."
It's adorable that you think it's about that.
Trump has brought in a never before seen level of corruption to our POTUS. It could take a decade after he is out to finally clean it all up.
His internment camps seem to be just about passing out money to his friends. And the children loosing weight, that is reminiscent of Andersonville.
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I strongly doubt there will be enough support on both sides to get any impeachment proceedings moving.
If the dems start a proceeding - it could backfire significantly - and they could lose support.
The public view of congress and the senate is that they accomplish little or nothing.
An impeachment doesn’t move the country forward. It will create a larger divide in the population.
The Democrats inability to deal with the loss of four years ago will not be erased by impeaching Trump.
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Things happening on the world stage now are too serious. The Republicans are going to have to give him up.
SJG
SJG said "Trump has brought in a never before seen level of corruption to our POTUS."
You need to spend more time reading up on US history and the Office of the President.
You also need to spend more time learning how to spell the word 'losing'...
Never had a situation as bad as Trump.
SJG
Get your tools boys. We are getting paid $10Billion to build the wall! We are gon a be rich!
We got boxes of sharpies, they work great on weather maps, and after you build the wall you can use them to draw mustaches on pictures of Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama, they also will come in handy after the election is over so you can write I win on pictures of the headlines that say You're Fired,
Covfete folks
25,
Curiosity has gnawed at me long enough. I have thought, by communicating with you, that you are on some level interested in investments. I could be wrong, and if so, then I misread.
If not incorrect, I was wondering how your investments have done since November of 2016?
^^ lol!!
It’s a mixed bag @Clubber ever time we get a bit ahead he tweets some inane bullshit that causes a drop if he’d keep his big fat mouth shut the market would be at least 20% higher. But he can’t resist the urge to interfere as a result his results are not as good as they should or would be
2017 was a fantastic year for investments. 2018 not so much and 2019 so far has been flat. We’re coming up on two years of meh.
Agree with @Ishmael: impeachment has no chance of getting through the Senate and the whole process would vindicate Trump to his base. Mueller testimony was a dud and we should move on.
As far as the stock market, it's grossly over-valued (CAPE greater than 30) and stoked by very low interests rates and a tax cut that went into stock-buybacks (while increasing our deficit to over one trillion). The party will be over at some point.
That Trump cocksucking BIBi N should loose in israel also
25,
Might check your investments or get a new advisor.
Just sayin'!
Clubber you best take a look at your own statements I don’t think you have what you think.bet your investments aren’t going as well as you think
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So this Whistle blower scandal sure pressures the Dems to begin impeachment proceedings immediately .
Read shadowcat’s thread. Impeachment doesn’t matter. The true power is the council of ricks!
ROAR!!!
I think the Rs would absolutely love for the Ds to push for impeachment. It would absolutely feed into his base and feed his persecution complex.
The truly sad fact however, is that there is absolutely nothing that's any better out there. At least not anyone who would actually run.
He's not going to be impeached.
Bill Weld says Donald Trump committed 'treason' amid Ukraine scandal
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'The dam could break' on impeachment this week
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SJG
Perceval and the Red Knight
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Betting market odds of impeachment have doubled since Ukraine-gate.
Events are moving faster than Trumps ability to control the narrative, I’d look for some event like an Iran or Venezuela to flare up as a distraction times are getting dangerously close to some crazy situation to occur.
Agreed. I mean its not like we had problems with either country prior to Hanuary 2017. Impeachment lol. Democrats better hope no one notices they have made zero effort to do the jo\b they were elected to do. Even funnier: Bill Weld. Amazed at how he murdered his career.
'Crisis Moment': President Donald Trump Admits Seeking Foreign Help To Go After Joe Biden | MSNBC
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Nancy Pelosi Previews Announcement On Impeachment: Trump ‘Making Lawlessness A Virtue’ | MSNBC
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'Game Changer' Ukraine Scandal Prompts New Calls For Impeachment | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
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SJG
House Speaker Pelosi on Impreachment
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SJG
Pelosi's actual talk:
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MSNBC lol. Real hard hitting news there chuckles. Seems like the Democrats are covering up for the Bidens' cheating.
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I am glad that the Democrats have so many capable people in key positions.
I always vote for the Democrats. Never in my life would I vote for any kind of a Republican, or ever do anything to help a Republican win. And Libertarians are bogus, they are Republicans.
But my own views are far to the Left of the Democrats.
But at this time I am pleased and reassured that they have so many highly capable and experienced people in key positions.
Pelosi is our first woman Speaker of the House. I remember it like it were today, when years ago I first pointed her out on the big screen TV, to a Viet Coffee Girl.
SJG
The Democrats have no one who has any skills. The entire platform of the paryty of cretins is simple: they will steal more money from those who earn it and contribute to society and use these stolen funds to buy the votes of those who contribute nothing.Sandra Day O'Connor is impressive; Pelosi just another scuzz who got rich off the taxpayer, like Bernie "Kapos" Sanders. I used to vote for one Democrat based on the idea I should vote for my fraternity brother, but no more.
^ Well if you has an open mind you’d have seen this coming the Republicans especially the executive branch thinks they have more to gain by stonewalling any inquiries legit or not, truth be told Congress is coequal to the executive and when elephants fight the grass gets trampled.
Trump is releasing the full unredacted transcript of his conversation with the Ukrainian President. He wouldn’t do that if there was anything in there that incriminated him. In a sane world, that would put an end to this empty, three year investigation. But, it won’t.
Congress is co-equal, but the House is not as powerful as the Senate and since Congress is split, they are no longer co-equal. The Mueller report would have put an end to this if there was even one democrat who had a shred of decency. Republicans may suck, but its hard to pretend democrats are Americans.
The Democrats represent the best that this country is. They did it during Watergate, and they are already doing it again.
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SJG
There is a model followed by many politicians and bureaucrats. One of their relatives, typically a wife or child, opens a consultancy or charity or investment firm. Then, companies that rely on government funnel mountains of cash into that entity. Separately, that company receives favorable treatment from the government.
This is not illegal. At least, it’s impossible to prove a crime as long as they never admit the link between the money and the government action.
That’s what Joe Biden did. And the Clintons. And Harry Reid. And, Pelosi. And, Maxine Waters. And, Elijah Cummings. Lots of Republicans have done it too. The whole system is corrupt. In fact, Trump is the only politician I am confident who doesn’t do this.
He is like the honest cop in a corrupt precinct. The dirty cops need to take him out.
@Mark
wow you really drink that koolaid dontchu willis
American politicians know that they can't do such stuff.
The first serious exception is named Donald Trump.
SJG
James Carville
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More follow on from Pelosi, ABC news, and Trump before the UN.
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SJG
Trump slams impeachment inquiry as "presidential harassment"
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Charles Schumer
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Top U.K. court rules PM's Brexit move unlawful
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Boris Johnson, court says Parliament is still in session.
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Trump looks pretty foolish, discussion:
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SJG
James Carville
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Military and CIA women, now elected Democrats, talk about how to protect and to serve, and how to defend the constitution.
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James Carville
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I COMPLETELY 100% SUPPORT THE IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP
This country needs it .
Agreed!
Tomorrow they should have the complaint document from the telephone call whistle blower.
This is going to be FUN!
SJG
Finally let it begin
You libtards are morons. Trump is baiting you like the Beta Cucks you are.
I worry that this is going to backfire on the Democrats. We'll see...
^^
The RNC is demanding that Biden release transcripts of his conversations with China and Ukraine, the countries that gave his son over $1Billion ( yes, that’s with B). In reality, Trump already has access to these transcripts.
Trump has already said he will release a transcript of his call with Ukraine.
So, let’s put them all out there and see who broke the law.
The trap is sprung. Bye bye Joe.
Biden hasnt even won the nomination and Trump supporters are already scared of him LOL
Scared of Biden ? Not hardly.
The only person who could have stood up to Trump on stage is Tulsi Gabbard. Look how she took out Kamala. Thankfully, the DNC has made sure to exclude Tulsi from the debates. If she were the nominee, I’d be concerned.
Fortunately, the DNC has once again screwed their party by trying to rig the Primary.
I guess it’s not a crime if the Democrats do it.....
Democrats wrote to the Ukrainian government in May 2018 urging it to continue investigations into President Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia in the 2016 presidential campaign — collusion later found not to exist.
The demand, which came from U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), resurfaced Wednesday
Dems Draft those Articles of impeachment proceedings ! .
pistola beta cuck
Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Despite the lessons of ted kennedy; Michael Dukakis and John Kerry, the Democrats will nominate Elizabeth Warren and lose again.
@mark “Scared of Biden ? Not hardly.
The only person who could have stood up to Trump on stage is Tulsi Gabbard. Look how she took out Kamala. Thankfully, the DNC has made sure to exclude Tulsi from the debates. If she were the nominee, I’d be concerned.
Fortunately, the DNC has once again screwed their party by trying to rig the Primary.”
Fake news. Gabbard qualified for the debate.
The transcript is more damming than we thought !!!!
Thanks for that info nemesisk7. Anyone got a link to it?
Transcript Here:
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US House of Representatives Live
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SJG's Impeachment Thread
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Brexit Discussion, House of Commons
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“We’ve Reached Critical Mass”: Rep. Al Green on Pelosi Vow to Impeach Trump for “Dastardly Deeds”
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Transcript Here:
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US House of Representatives Live
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SJG
nemesisk7's Impeachment Thread
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SJG's Impeachment Thread
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Brexit Discussion, House of Commons
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WATCH LIVE: Lawmakers react to Trump impeachment inquiry on House floor (4 hours)
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WATCH: Schiff says Trump call with Ukraine president was a ‘shakedown’ ( Adam Schiff (D) Chair of House Intelligence Committee ) Schiff calls it a "Mafia like shakedown".
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^^^^ very good (under 18 min)
SJG
Schiff: Trump's Ukraine Call Reflects A 'Classic Mafia-Like Shakedown' | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC
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Kushner, Inc.: Greed. Ambition. Corruption. The Extraordinary Story of Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump
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A couple fun facts
Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma in April 2014, according to RSB bank records. Hunter Biden had little background in energy. Over a 16-month period, Burisma paid $3.1 million to a bank account associated with Hunter’s business.
Joe Biden led the Obama administration’s policy toward Ukraine when he served as vice president. Biden helped shape Ukraine’s energy and anti-corruption policies, issues that directly impact Burisma.
^^^^^ one problem though, the Biden's are immune from impeachment because they are not in office.
I will be voting for Bernie Sanders.
But hearing House Intel Chair Adam Schiff describe Trump as a Mafia Boss !!!!!!
I am in Seventh Heaven.
SJG
House has more than 218 democrates to IMPEACH !! Enjoy it guys
Democrats
Pretty sure you're wrong, @Dougster. House has power to impeach; Senate has power to convict and remove from office.
Senate has a Republican majority and it takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict and remove a President. Without that, impeachment is an empty gesture.
Looks like the Trump cult followers are still blind sheep
Transcript of complaint released this morning !!!! Cover Up by Fat Donny and his goons Barr and Giuliani !!!!
He's still not going to be impeached.
Yes he is republicans will start to join in the impeachment party .
No... they really won't.
^ He may be impeached but I don’t believe he’s going to get convicted
VH_Kicks said "You might wanna rethink that statement, Deplorable Dummy"
Spoken like a guy who makes unverified, knee-jerk assumptions about the political opinions of others.
And he's still not going to be impeached...
If you shoot at the King, be sure you kill the King.
While Trump might be impeached ( even though the accusations are BS), he will not be convicted in the Senate. His supporters will be energized and will show up at the polls in 2020. If you doubt this, research what happened with Bill Clinton and his impeachment.
Pelosi has made a huge mistake in responding to her base.
From @VH's Fox News article: "30 GOP senators' would impeach Trump in secret ballot"
The ballot would have to be "secret" because these GOP Senators are cowards and fear of losing their jobs. Maybe with the exception of Romney who appears to have a moral compass and some balls.
McConnell has already gone on record that the Ukraine impeachment inquiry is a joke. McConnell has enormous power to decide what evidence is presented if this moves to the Senate -- more power than John Roberts ( see www.washingtonpost.com ). McConnell can use the Senate hearings to exonerate Trump and pump up his base. Hard to see how this could possibly help the Democrats in the long run. But who knows...
Well, that's an important clarification. Could he be legally impeached by the House? It's still unlikely, but it's possible.
But when most people talk about impeachment, they're referring to the trial by the Senate, and the following conviction or exoneration that results.
That's the part I truly believe won't happen. The math for a Senate conviction just isn't there.
So... you might get him impeached, but he ain't going anywhere after that.
Impeachment is a political act, not a legal act. It’s framed that way in the constitution. What we are seeing is a political coup to remove a duly elected President. The backlash will also be political.
Two Presidents have been impeached; neither convicted. I do recall Federal Court Judge Alcee hastings not only being impeached for being a criminal, but convicted and removed from the bench. Democrats are so despicable and hypocritical that asshole is in Congress and we will have some convicted lowlife who was impeached and convicted voting to impeach.
Trump was the first time a Presdent was elected after the leaders of his own party spoke against him, Nicki Halley, John McCaine, Mitt Romney, and eventually Geroge W. Bush.
Trump was also the most extreme example of winning the electoral vote contest, while being behind in the popular vote contest, over 2.8 million votes.
I was then saying that a Trump Presidency would endanger the territorial integrity of the United States.
I was asking for Obama and the Congress to amend the Constitution before Trump could take office. Change it to Popular Vote, let the sitting SCOTUS write the amendment and make it effective immediately.
As it is now, it will take a decade to root out Trump's flavor of corruption, and a century to restore our nation's prestige.
The whistleblower's complaint
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Watch: Intelligence chief Joseph Maguire testifies following Democrats' impeachment inquiry (today)
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Robert Mueller did not want to say whether or not Trump was a crook. The rule being followed is that you cannot indict a sitting President. So since he could not indict, he was not going to take a position. So they way to reprimand a sitting POTUS is via impeachment.
So the House has tried to get the grand jury transcripts which underlie the Mueller Report. Have they gotten them? Normally they are sealed, but this is an exceptional situation.
Schiff on election interference: 'There can be no claim of ignorance this time’
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Rough transcript reveals key moments from Trump-Ukraine call
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Trump-Ukraine Call Log Clearly Demonstrates Quid Pro Quo Demand
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SJG
nemesisk7's Impeachment Thread
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SJG's Impeachment Thread
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Brexit Discussion, House of Commons
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Donald Trump says there should be a way of stopping impeachment inquiry
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Remember Jeffrey Epstein?
Are they keeping Trump on a suicide watch?
Impeachment Latest (ABC)
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SJG
So am I correct in understanding that Trump directed that electronic recordings of the phone call be expunged?
The Last 48 Hours Of Impeachment News | FiveThirtyEight Politics Podcast
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Kamala Harris On Impeachment: Trump Is Least Patriotic President In History | The Last Word | MSNBC 9/25
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Fox news must cut ties with the criminal Trump !!!!
Those on the left have been convinced by the media that Trump is a fucking moron. They are surprised that he can tie his shoes in the morning.
So, when he beats Hillary, or survives the Russia hoax, they know he hasn’t outsmarted them because, obviously, anyone on the left is much, much smarter than the Orange man.
That’s why they think they can throw anything against the wall, like this Ukraine scam, and come away with a win.
Trump is already outsmarting them. By releasing the transcript and showing how the whistleblower letter is full of holes, he has solidified his base and confused the Dems.
Pelosi just assumed she could use the whistleblower letter to justify a couple more months of hearings and subpoenas. Now, that plan is out the window. The whistleblower and the Bidens will come under attack.
Just keep telling yourself that Trump is stupid. It’s worked so well for you so far !
Kamala Harris = fraud and loser.
SJG - "I was asking for Obama and the Congress to amend the Constitution before Trump could take office. Change it to Popular Vote, let the sitting SCOTUS write the amendment and make it effective immediately."
So, you thought a 2/3 vote in a Republican controlled House and Senate to amend the constitution and a 3/4 ratification from all the states in the November - January time frame was a viable option? Delusion, ignorance, or hyperbole?
Fastest president to reach impeachment. Congrats
First House of Representatives to push impeachment without any facts supporting it. Quick and efficient !
^ you should have warned him about shooting someone on 5th Ave.
"Trumpy must Resign !!! Worst president in History."
YES!
Remember the footage of Nixon and Pat walking to the helicopter? Well the way this is going, Donald Trump will be removed by LE, and he will be in handcuffs.
Pelosi: Trump Used Taxpayer Money To Shake Down Leader For His Own Gain | Morning Joe | MSNBC, 9/27, 7:30 am DC time
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Nancy Pelosi in FURY After Trump 'Abuse the system' By Moving All The Files To Private Network (this morning)
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Nancy Pelosi, Democrats hold press conference in addressing H.R. 1 bill (6 hours ago)
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House Republican: President Donald Trump's Ukraine Call "Not O.K." | The Last Word | MSNBC
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EXCLUSIVE: Trump's Attack on Whistle-Blower in Private Meeting Was Caught on Video
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Hear leaked audio of Trump comparing whistleblower's sources to 'spies'
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nemesisk7's Impeachment Thread
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Calling for the Resignation of Donald Trump !
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Donald Trump responds climate activist Greta Thunberg with a sarcastic late-night tweet... “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to ...
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The great Hillary Clinton: "Trump MUST be impeached"
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How is a simple Leftist like me supposed to keep track of all this?
If I were still married, I know how it would be, melting lots of butter and
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The Thrill is Gone, Jeff Healey
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President Donald Trump: “Who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days, when we were smart, right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
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James Risen: Whistleblower Complaint Shows “Trump Is a Habitual Criminal” Abusing His Office
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James Risen: I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine in 2015. The Right-Wing Media Twisted My Reporting
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Trump food stamps cuts?
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nemesisk7's Impeachment Thread
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Calling for the Resignation of Donald Trump !
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Donald Trump responds climate activist Greta Thunberg with a sarcastic late-night tweet... “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to ...
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The great Hillary Clinton: "Trump MUST be impeached"
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The Thrill is Gone, Jeff Healey
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Donald Trump unleashes fury over impeachment inquiry -- TODAY
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Briefing Room: Trump impeachment inquiry, Trump to slash refugee program, ABC News
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Everyone In Washington Is Reading the Whistleblower Complaint — Except Senate Republicans
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Trump demands Schiff resign over account of Ukraine call
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Trump To Kick Half A Million Kids Off Free School Lunch Program
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Friday News:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives committee issued a subpoena on Friday for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, seeking to compel him to hand over documents concerning contact with the Ukrainian government.
The House Foreign Affairs, Intelligence and Oversight Committees also scheduled depositions for five State Department officials over the next two weeks, including former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, Ambassador Kurt Volker, the U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine, and Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union.
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Saturday Morning
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but now a two week House recess.
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Rpt: Trump Comments To Russians Prompted W.H. Officials To Limit Access | The Last Word | MSNBC - saying that Trump meeting with Russians, 4 months in office, in Oval Office, let them off hook for attacking our elections, and is sufficient and necessary grounds for impeachment.
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Did you see the Orange baby tweets this weekend !!! Crying about his impeachment!!! Douchebag is UNFIT FOR OFFICE !!!!
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CBS News poll shows 55% of Americans approve of Trump impeachment inquiry
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Why Trump's new limit on food stamp eligibility will affect working families most
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Trump whistleblower to testify over Ukraine call
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Joseph M. Firestone - live: Sanders Leads the Fight Against Food Stamp Cuts
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McConnell reaffirms he has 'no choice': Senate will take up impeachment if it passes House
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WE WILL NOT LET THIS GO UNTIL RESIGNATION OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE
IMPEACH HIM !!!
If Trump is impeached, it will go to the Senate for a full trial. The Clinton impeachment trial took a month. Because the issues are much broader, it is estimated that it would take 3 to 6 months this time around. Mitch McConnell has hinted it could go longer. Trump, and Senate Republicans, would be allowed to call and cross examine any witness they wanted. Obama, Hillary, Brennan, Biden, Clapper, Comey.
We would learn about the fake Russia gate scandal, using government assets to spy on the Trump campaign, Hillary’s Foundation, Biden’s payoff from Ukraine and China, plus a dozen other Democrat scandals. Shortly after that, the November election would take place.
With a Republican majority, and a 2/3 vote needed, Trump will not be removed from office.
Have Democrats really thought through the consequences of their current actions ?
^^^^ all legitimate questions.
To Impeach or Not to Impeach? Chris Hedges & John Bonifaz Debate What Congress Should Do Next
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House Democrats subpoenaed President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani Monday, seeking documents related to his work in Ukraine. Last week, Guliani admitted on television that he had urged the Ukrainian government to investigate Trump’s political rival and 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. This comes as House Democrats continue to build their case for impeaching the president, following a whistleblower complaint focused on a phone call in which Trump asked the Ukranian president to do him a “favor” investigating the actions of Democrats, including Joe Biden and his son Hunter. Meanwhile, Trump is continuing to threaten lawmakers who are pushing impeachment, and publicly admitted he is trying to find out the identity of the anonymous whistleblower, in possible violation of whistleblower protection laws. We host a debate on impeachment with John Bonifaz, co-founder and president of Free Speech for People, one of the organizations demanding Trump’s impeachment, and Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, award-winning author and activist.
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The American Electoral Republic has failed
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Daniel Ellsberg
He faced off with Nixon. See his advice to whistleblower
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Planet Nine could be a miniature black hole hiding in our solar system
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Sedition
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These are the people tied up in Trump's tangled web
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These people are all Diplomats, Military, Intelligence, or Lawyers. They have gotten to where they are by being careful what they say, and by showing that they can carry out duties responsibly.
They are the diametric opposite of Donald Trump.
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NYT: Trump Talked About Electrifying Border Wall and a Water-Filled Trench Stocked With Snakes
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Trump pitched shooting migrants in legs, NYT reports
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Trump is losing it, accusing Adam Schiff of helping to write Whistle Blower Complaint.
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Trump is losing it, accusing Adam Schiff of helping to write Whistle Blower Complaint.
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The worst President in history !!!!!!
Impeachment cold open on SNL:
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Note that both douches -- Giuliani and Bill Barr -- are played by females.
Nemesis = retarded puta
The latest polling from Hill-HarrisX shows that Trump now enjoys a solid 49 percent job approval rating with registered voters. This is a two-point jump since September 11-12 in this same poll.
Impeachment support numbers are up .
Racist democrats will keep losing, i see lots more whining from them in the next 4 years. No one cares what you racists think.
Random ashows his bigotry towards women - typical Democrat hypocrite. Why don't you call them hoims you douchebag.
8 ways Trump attacked the impeachment inquiry, in 1 day
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Michael Moore Says Dems Finally Have 'President Donald Trump On The Run' With Impeachment
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Impeachment is broken. Impeach Trump, anyway.
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Trump has turned into a Third World Dictator, trying to hold onto power, so that he can evade prosecution.
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BREAKING: The whistleblower is a registered Democrat & CIA analyst who was detailed before the 2016 election to the Obama White House,where he worked on the NSC's Ukraine desk & met w anti-Trump Ukrainian officials before being sent packing by the Trump NSC & becoming disgruntled
BREAKING: Texts with ukraine released !!! It gets worst! IMPEACH!!!!!
The texts are from Kurt Volker, a former CIA employee with ties to anti-Trumpers. Not the most credible source these days. Drain the Swamp !
Kurt Volker lol. Its like Pocahontas looking like a native American.
^You guys are delusional, the guy is melting down, he's headed for a nervous breakdown, and you guys are acting like this is normal behavior, c'mon this guy is ready for a rubber room.
BREAKING: The Democrat whistleblower who complained about Trump digging up dirt in Ukraine was himself helping dig up dirt in Ukraine against Trump (and Manafort) while working in the Obama White House during 2016 campaign.
You guys have missed the boat. The attacks on the credibility of the whistleblower are a waste of time. It doesn’t matter. The whistleblower could be Obama himself and it wouldn’t matter. The transcript and texts show it happened. Trump, Giuliani, and Pompeo all used the government to collide with a foreign government to take down Biden.
What sucks for the Democrats is Trump knows this and he’s already beaten them. He is OWNING the collusion. After two years of denying Russian collusion he is proudly owning this. He’s even asking China to join the party and collude as well. Trump wins. He has changed the standard of what is acceptable behavior from the POTUS. The House will impeach and the Senate will not convict.
We will be back to having the 2020 election decide the next president except Biden will be out. With Bernie’s health scare it will be Trump v. Liz after another 12 months of painful news.
‘collude’. Fucking autocorrect
So Biden, through his son, takes over a Billion dollars from China, while the Obama administration lets them steal our technology, steal our jobs, and militarize the South China Sea. And, Trump isn’t supposed to investigate this.
On the other hand, an impeachment effort is launched on Trump based on a single phone call he made to the new President of Ukraine where the Ukrainian briefly mentions Biden’s name. That’s it. That’s their evidence of High Crimes.
I guess there are different standards of justice for Republicans and Democrats.
“inquiry ... based on a single phone call”
It’s impossible to take you seriously when you post completely false statements like this.
The Bidens are not abusing the Presidency, because they are not in office. If you think they have done wrong, well then get them investigated and prosecuted. I really could not care less about them.
Generally Democrats are hard working less wealthy people, compared to Republicans.
You've all seen Nixon walking to the helicopter for last time.
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Well with Trump it won't likely be that way. Melania will have been long gone, and Donald will likely be in handcuffs and taken out by LE.
From Trump to Nixon: “Watergate” Film Explains “How We Learned to Stop an Out of Control President”
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Mark those smears, are as unhinged as he is. Trump is completely unhinged, and if anyone doesn't see that, is in need of some assistance as well.
Okay, what evidence is there of Trump committing a crime ? Don’t tell me collusion or Racist or unhinged. Give me specific evidence that Trump has committed a crime. After 3 years of looking, Strok/Mueller/Weissmann found nothing. Zip. Nada. That’s because there isn’t anything other than the fake dossier or the third hand whistleblower claims. It’s all Democrat created false innuendo.
The democratic process for our entire country has broken down. Right Wing Hate News seems to be the biggest cause that I can see.
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CHRIS HEDGES:
And so, go ahead with impeachment, but if we don’t begin to address the underlying malaise and disenfranchisement and rage — and legitimate rage — on the part of the white working class — however much Trump lies — and, of course, he lies like he breathes — the Clintons also lied, in far more damaging ways to the working class, and, in particular, the white working class, than Donald Trump. And we know from polls that right before the election in 2016, you had 55% of those who said they were voting for Trump, it was because they disliked Hillary Clinton, only 44%. So, Trump was kind of weaponized. You know, he was the middle finger to the establishment. He was weaponized against the man. And if we don’t begin to deal with those issues, impeachment itself will rend the fabric of American society further into antagonistic tribes. And we have to acknowledge the fact we are a country awash in weapons, 300 million weapons, you know, mass shootings on the average of one a day. And we almost saw, with Cesar Sayoc, the complete decapitation of the Democratic Party with pipe bombs. That’s the territory we’re headed towards.
Hedges thinks this country has a bigger problem than just Trump. Its the people who voted for him.
Hillary Clinton got more people voting for her, by a margin of over 2.8 million.
But we still have a serious problem that Trump did get almost as many votes as she.
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If impeachment goes to Senate, we'll win: Trump ( 5 hours ago )
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Mark: “Okay, what evidence is there of Trump committing a crime ?”
Besides repeatedly asking foreign nations to take down Joe Biden?
The baseball game is in commercial, so I’ll post some quotes but I’m not doing any more homework for you.
Ellen Weintraub, head of the Federal Election Commission: “Let me make something 100 per cent clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election,” she said. “This is not a novel concept.”
Trump: [talking about Ukraine] “They should investigate the Bidens.”
“And by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,”
I’m not using google for you. There is a shit ton of evidence he has committed crimes. I still think he isn’t convicted by the senate because as I said above he’s done a great job of convincing people there needs to be a quid pro quo (there doesn’t) or that because he’s doing it openly it’s ok (it’s not). I’m done handwringing over what he’s done to the office and dignity of the POTUS. I’ll just vote against him and cross my fingers.
We ask for help in tracking down corruption all the time. The FBI maintains offices around the world for this express purpose. Is that a crime ? Is it improper to investigate corruption if it is associated with Democrats ?
Technically I’m not sure Trump has announced he is running? But lol by the letter of the law, it’s bordlerline illegal, definitely gray morally, and I’m going to go on a limb and say that if we look deeply in 25 random Congresspeople, we can find the same dirt on 18 of them.
As Dennis Miller just put it so eloquently, I’m paraphrasing ‘If Trump was presidential, then he wouldn’t be our current president.’ Meaning the American people don’t care about this little shit and voted for Trump because they recognize it is a fuckin swamp infested with scuzzball politicians on both sides. They just want the country run and are sick of politicians. This political maneuver by the Dems is going to make the people even more tired of the bullshit and help Trumps re-election bid
Last I checked the FBI wasn’t running for office.
Like, goddamn Pelosi you Skeletor lookin bitch. Either vote to open up a grand jury or don’t. Make up your mind. How much of our taxpayer dollars are going to be wasted on this bullshit? Get back to running our country you fuckin political twats.
I wish Trump would come out and say that ‘Look Skeletor... I mean Nancy. Put it to a vote or shut the fuck up, I have work to do.’
I don't understand why the Democrats get so upset with Donald Trump. after all he was a Democrat longer than he has been a republican. I just don't like the egomaniac.
(in fact i haven't liked any pres since ike.)
BOOM: Nancy Pelosi's son Paul Pelosi Jr. (who went to Ukraine in 2017) was a board member of Viscoil and executive at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY Business in UKRAINE!
And Nancy Pelosi appeared in a promotional Video for the company, which is being investigated for fraud.
You're nuts
If we can replace Biden and Pelosi with more progressive people, people who don't have corporate allegiances, great.
But we have only one POTUS at a time, and he certainly does seem to have abused the office.
House Democrats subpoena White House for Ukraine documents as part of impeachment inquiry
House Democrats issued a subpoena to the White House Friday evening for documents relating to the president's contact with Ukraine — a so-far unprecedented move that is sure to escalate the rapidly moving impeachment inquiry.
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There is a second whistleblower!!!!
Tom Steyer been demanding impeachment for a long time now, dude saw it coming
Yes, Impeachment is a political process, it does not have to be based on criminally prosecutable acts.
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Why Are So Few Republicans Publicly Defending Trump? 10/7
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Quid Pro Quo
GOP challenger Joe Walsh: Donald Trump is a traitor
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Goodbye Donald Trump!
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MATH, Make Americans Think Harder, Andy Yang
Court orders Trump to provide 8 years of tax returns
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Former Trump Organization executive says she expects Trump will resign
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IMPEACH TRUMP !!!!!
I first saw that there was something seriously wrong about Trump with the Muslim couple who spoke at the Democratic Convention.
Trump was talking about Muslim Bans. He was fondling his xenophobic base.
But such a ban would violate the Constitution, and the courts would later tell him so.
At the Convention a Muslim couple spoke. They challenged Trump, asking if he had ever read the Constitution. They were Naturalized Citizens, having as much right to be called Americans as does Donald Trump.
They lost one of their sons, 27yo, while he as serving in Iraq, as a US Army Captain.
But Trump makes fun of them.
And that is totally wrong, he makes fun of the Muslim Couple, he makes fun of all immigrants, and of all who have descended from immigrants, and he makes fun of all of those who have served in our military.
Donald Trump has no idea at all what this country is about!
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URGENT !! Breaking Trump News [3PM] 10/8/19 | CNN News Today Oct 8, 2019
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Gordon Sondland has instructions direct from Trump, no buffers.
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Trump admin issues new letter of defiance to Nancy Pelosi, ratcheting up Constitutional Clash.
URGENT !! Breaking Trump News [6PM] 10/8/19 | CNN News Today Oct 8, 2019
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4 hour gap, Sondland making his own phone call to Trump
Will Trump's handling of Turkey mean that US troops will be placed at greater risk later on?
The Khan Family lost their son to a car bomb while serving as a US Army Captain in Iraq. There are dangerous wackos in the Middle-East. But Trump's entire political career has just been massaging such wackos here in the US.
Who should deliver the Final Message?
I say it should be Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.
But who will give Trump asylum, and can his 757 fly there without refueling?
There is not enough water to get to Leningrad without crossing over EU waters and airspace. But he could go above the Arctic Circle and get beyond Finland to Murmansk.
If his 757 does not have the range, maybe a bunch of food and water and he can borrow Greta Thunberg's 60' yacht.
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White House: Trump will not cooperate with impeachment probe
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Majority Of Americans Back Impeachment Inquiry Or Trump's Removal From Office
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This Joseph Maguire, Acting Director of National Intelligence, Retired as a Navy Vice Admiral, spent over 20 years as a Navy Seal.
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These sorts of people, and Adam Schiff Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, all very different from Donald Trump. They are Military, Intelligence, National Security, Diplomats, and often Lawyers. They may or may not agree with the politics of Donald Trump and his party, but they conduct themselves very differently. They are careful about what they say. They have gotten to where they are by decades of reliable service. Trump is absolutely nothing compared to them.
Impeaching Trump is a Constitutional Requirement!
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This is so similar to how Nixon went down, but just greatly accelerated, and with Trump very likely facing post removal prosecution.
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Turkey just started bombing the Kurds in Syria. That was quick. This is sad for the allies who at great cost to themselves fought ISIS for us. Politically, this is going to cost Trump with his allies in the Senate. I don’t know if they’ll change their minds on impeachment but this will make some his allies worry about his decisions when he makes military decisions after consulting only Erdogan, not consulting DOD and announcing the decision on Twitter. I can’t stand him to be sure, but this is different than his other decisions that I’ve criticized. This will cost us allies.
YES the world is going to shit because of that Orange clown and his supporters like douchebag skiBUM !!!!
The situation in Turkey/Syria is an absolute mess. There are no good options, only some that are less bad than others.
Turkey is a member of NATO. Through a series of missteps, Obama drove them into alliance with Russia. We can’t afford to let Turkey fall even further into the orbit of Russia.
One Kurdish element, the Turkish PKK, has been at war with Turkey for years. This is a real threat to Turkey.
The Iraqi Kurds are loyal allies of the US and played a large role in defeating ISIS. We continue to support and arm the Iraqi Kurds.
So, we need to walk a dangerous line with both Turkey and our Kurdish allies by allowing Turkey to confront the PKK and associated Syrian Kurd rebels.
We shouldn’t put American troops at risk where there is no strategic interest for us.
We should be supporting the PKK against the dirty Turks. We have no allies in the traditional sense other than Japan and England. Our other "allies" are simply leeches who do nothing to help us.
^ O fucking jeez man those are our allies and did most of the heavy lifting against Isis can’t you ever stop being an apologist and an ass kisser for Trump and stand for what’s right
That was to Mark
The PKK is a far left terrorist organization based in Turkey. It’s the Iraqi Kurds who are our allies, not the PKK. Just because these two, separate entities are members of the same ethnic group doesn’t mean they are identical. One is terrorist ( according to NATO), the other fought the ISIS terrorists.
That's completely untrue and you should be ashamed of your self, spreading that simpering bullshit, I'm not going to debate you on this if you can't stand with our allies which the PKK has been against Daish you are a coward.
Turkey is not an ally in any way at all. They were important for awhile and that ended the day the cold war ended. Fuck Erdogan and the Turks. Donald trump is a fuicking retard, sadly that makes him better than every progressive combined, so again I vote for a third party candidate in 2020.
Trump has already issued a statement criticizing the Turks for the attack. I guess the mirrors in the White House aren’t working.
Hopefully Lindsey Graham will put in a sanctions bill against Turkey and the House and Senate will vote it in with a veto proof majority.
Fox News: Record support for Trump's impeachment.
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The PKK, and it’s Syrian offshoot the YPG, have strong ties to Iran in addition to being at war with NATO member Turkey. Obama decided to back the YPG as a quick fix for ISIS, ignoring the long term mess it caused. Well, the mess has arrived. Turkey is coddling up to Russia and both Russia and Iran have a military presence in Syria. Thanks Barack.
I want Lindsey Graham to be the one who delivers the Final Message.
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TWO GUILLIANIS ASSOCIATES ARRESTED !!!!
^^^^ Yes!
And there could not be a guy who more deserves to have his associates arrested!!
Trying to consolidate everything to this thread:
Is Donald Trump still President?
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Former ambassador clarifies Joe Biden's role in Ukraine
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Former ambassador to Ukraine arrives to testify in impeachment inquiry
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Menendez Reacts to Testimony of Dismissed Ukranian Ambassador
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Michael Smerconish: There are 2 cracks in Trump's firewall
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Why Robert De Niro thinks Donald Trump is just a bad gangster
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So, trade deals with China, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Canada. Negotiations ongoing with the EU and soon-to-be-free UK. Peace and Prosperity.
Tell me again why you want to impeach him. Because he’s rude ?
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Trump seems to have done criminal stuff which has compromised our national security, degraded our country's reputation, and dishonored the Presidency.
The reason I have never liked him is because he just appeals to the lizard brain and promotes the total fiction and illogic of Supply Side Economics.
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YES ^^^^^ He appeals to Losers !!!
Fuck off bitch.
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Ted Cruz just tipped off something about where Donald Trump’s impeachment is headed | Us News Tv
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Ukraine Fears Collateral Damage From Trump Impeachment Probe
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Turkish Oil Pipelines:
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The attacks on the Kurds had actually been in this Southern area of Turkey which borders Syria.
Harran is in that Kurkish area:
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The cruise missile attack on the Iranian oil tanker is far different from attacks on Saudi oil field equipment. That later was a fixed position on a map. The oil tanker is a moving target, not a fixed position.
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Any Of those Democrats will make a far better president than the Orange shit stain we have now
To defeat Trump, the Dems need to select someone who could stand on stage and out debate him. The only candidate who could do that is Tulsi Gabbard. Her military background and genuine personality give her the credibility. She has shown debate skills in taking down Kamala.
Fortunately, there is no way the Dems will nominate her.
Want to know what happens when the Dems nominate someone on the extreme left, like Warren or Bernie ? Google George McGovern.
Fuck Iran. I hope Israel did it. Ted Kennedy, Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, would make normal people never nominate a Massachusetts liberal. Luckily Dems ain't normal so they'll nominate the only person on earth who lies more than Trump. Shrew Warren, the native American for President ROFL.
A debate with Trump is just a shouting match. I watched the debates with Hillary Clinton. She was always the one who was coherent and rational. He was never anything of the sort.
I do think there will be an issue of dealing with future Trump type candidates. But with Donald himself, I think the issue is just which country will be paying the costs of feeding and guarding him in their prison.
Trump Impeachment Inquiry Banks Evidence As Witnesses Testify | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
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Sen. Lindsey Graham: "This is the most screwed up decision I've seen since I have been in Congress."
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LIVE TODAY WATCH: Study group gives recommendations for U.S. policy in Syria to House subcommittee ( very interesting )
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Were the Russian troops already prepared to move in? Looks like the first Russian deployment that far South since Afghanistan.
Can we get rid of Pence too? They got Spiro Agnew out in lieu of federal tax evasion prosecution.
Representative Elijah Cummings dies this morning, age 68, (D) Maryland, Chair of House Oversight and Reform Committee.
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“Meltdown”: Trump Defends Syria Withdrawal as House Votes 354 to 60 to Condemn His Actions
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That's over 80% of the US House. They got about 2/3 for just Republicans.
Rep. Ro Khanna: We Need a Responsible Withdrawal from Syria, Not One Oblivious to Human Life
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Giuliani in DEPRESS after Sondland REVEALING his DIRT in Ukraine ( 3 hours ago )
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Latest On Impeachment Inquiry ( 11/17 )
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Trump defends Giuliani amid impeachment inquiry
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The Growing Body Of Evidence Against The President | Deadline | MSNBC
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WATCH LIVE: 'We've all lost a friend,' Pelosi says on Rep. Elijah Cummings' death
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The Kurds: The Most Famous Unknown People in the World | Stephen Mansfield | TEDxNashville
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His Presidency could end in a tweet.
Top US diplomat to testify in impeachment inquiry l ABC News | Bill Taylor
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Democrats' Impeachment Inquiry Against President Donald Trump Takes Shape
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State Dept Witnesses Make Case Clear In Trump Impeachment Inquiry | Rachel Maddow
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Dems Narrow Focus On 'Abuse Of Power' In Trump Impeachment Probe
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Foghat Playlist
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American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump
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Rio Carnival 2019 [HD] - Floats & Dancers
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Paris - Moulin Rouge show and dinner
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PBS NewsHour live show October 23, 2019
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WATCH: Head of Syrian Kurds' political group testifies before House committee
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WATCH: State Department officials testify on U.S. troop withdrawal from northeastern Syria
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Dmitry Firtash: The Ukrainian gas tycoon linked President Trump's personal lawyer
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What is the significance of William Taylor’s testimony?
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Impeachment Bombshell: Aide Recounts 'Direct Line' From Ukraine Plot To Trump | MSNBC
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Trump says US House will vote to impeach | U.S. News Today
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How Ambassador Taylor's 'stunning' testimony could affect the impeachment inquiry
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Democrats call U.S. diplomat's impeachment testimony "damning"
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Kate Bolduan AMAZING EXPOSES Dramatic Deposition ROCKS Trump's Impeachment Defense
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Approval For Impeachment Inquiry Grows, Poll Shows | Morning Joe | MSNBC
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WATCH: Republicans disrupt testimony in Trump impeachment inquiry
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Republicans disrupt impeachment deposition
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Chaos as Republicans storm impeachment inquiry deposition !!!!!
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Briefing Room: Trump claims 'breakthrough' on Syria, Impeachment latest, Zuckerberg on Capitol Hill
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Shields and Brooks on Trump’s Syria ‘blunder,’ impeachment outlook
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Taylor Testifies Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Investigation of Hunter Biden
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Energy Critical Elements
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Economic Update: The Capitalist Corporation
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The immanent threat of Gun Barrel Communism is what keeps our government from going to the hard right and listening to skibum609
We are haunted by a specter, so listen and learn:
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House Foreign Affairs Committee, Democrats and Republicans saying the same things. Can't tell them apart. They agree with each other, and I agree with them. And everyone agrees that Trump really screwed up.
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Impeach.
Lose.
Trump uses it to massively induce fundraising.
Crushes the socialist.
4 more years of Orange Man.
Wall is finished.
Now US controls full supply of drug in and out of Mexico.
Mexico cartels shit their pants.
US leans on Mexico and helps it out of being a 3rd world country.
Trump, installing fascism in the United States.
Not good.
PBS News Hour 10/24/2019
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Ending Endless War: Andrew Bacevich on How Reckless Use of U.S. Military Power Caused Today’s Crisis
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GOP Lawmakers Disrupt Impeachment Hearing As More Damaging Details Emerge About Trump’s Misconduct
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GOP lawmakers try to crash deposition in House impeachment inquiry
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Poll Shows New High For Impeachment Inquiry Support | NBC News Now
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BREAKING TRUMP NEWS 12PM 10/24/19 | Trump News With John King Oct 24, 2019
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BREAKING TRUMP NEWS 1PM 10/24/19 | Trump News With Brianna Keilar Oct 24, 2019
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Major Percentage Of Young Adults Might Not Feel Better Off After Trump | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC
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Impeachment Bombshell: Aide Recounts 'Direct Line' From Ukraine Plot To Trump | MSNBC
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IMPEACH TRUMP!!!!
Impeachment is not done !!!!!
Thanks SJG for keeping us up to date . The Orange scum mist be impeached!!!!
Peaches are great.
Just think VH, combine polls from left wing media and fourteen cents and I could buy a brain just like yours.
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You got your own space. Now fuck off
So the orange cheeto takes credit for taking out a guy nobody knows !!! Just distraction from Impeachment !
Impeachment hotter than EVER !!!!
You've had your fun. Now give it a rest, man.
Dude GTFO
Impeachment voting happening now !!!!
Dude... you have a politics board for this stuff. It's your place to GTFO.
Grow up.
This is my thread .
Nope. Actually, all the content here belongs to founder. And he created a new politics forum for this content based on the requests of a significant number of users.
You're just being a troll that wants attention. It's pretty juvenile.
@CMI you’re obsessing over a guy who’s getting his kicks giving you a zing
meh... I had considered my point made.
I still do.
Ok glad you got to say what you needed to, I’m starting to think getting the last word is just redundant lol
"This is my thread". Ok impotent little boy.
Your president is juvenile .
And so are you the fact you dont ignore this thread , Just want the Attention
The orange coward couldn't take the loss in Kentucky last night !!!!
IMPEACH !!!
Public hearings to embarrassed the Fat con cheeto man !
How many articles of Impeachment will there be ? Atleast 8 i say
Should be 8 articles, minimum!
House Judiciary Committee to debate articles of impeachment
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Rep. Ro Khanna Urges “Universal Condemnation” of Trump as Democrats File Impeachment Charges
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Democrats Charge Trump with Two Articles of Impeachment
Federal Judge Blocks Trump from Diverting Funds to Border Wall
British Voters Head to the Polls Thursday
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History will remembers those republicans defending Drumpf instead of allowing full impeachment and removal !!!
^Lmao, history will remember the unbelievably corrupt lengths that the Democrats went to in order to change the results of an election they didn't like. Horowitz was appointed by the Obama administration and even he is saying that the political bias of the FBI agents leading the investigations was "pretty bad." When John Durham's investigation on the Democrats is complete, you're gonna see dozens of people in handcuffs. The behavior of the Democrats in the past decade is going to be taught as a reminder of how people become fanatics with no objectivity that think any and all methods necessary to win in politics are justified.
Removing Trump is the difference between our country continuing or it disintegrating. The Impeachment trial should have started as soon as Trump finished the oath of office.
Kudos to the fearless souls of the Democratic Party, and especially to Al Green and Brad Sherman, submitting the first Articles of Impeachment.
This Right Wing Nonsense News is a toxin in our nation.
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"Removing Trump is the difference between our country continuing or it disintegrating."
I agree with that.
If we remove Trump from office, it would show that our politicians respect for the peaceful transfer of power is truly and completely gone.
You can't remove a president from office just because you personally don't like him. The Democrats can't even decide on what crime he has committed because he hasn't committed one. Anything they bring up is shown to be complete BS.
CNN and MSNBC wouldn't even show Lindsey Graham's testimony on the Horowitz report because they are so scared of it.
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Here is Lindsey Graham's actually speech, however.
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Trump's campaign was based on hate speech. And more people voted for his opponent than he, by a margin exceeding 2.8 million. The first problem was that Electoral College. Should have amended the constitution between election day and the inauguration. And then we still don't know about Trump's overseas business interests. This is unprecedented, may well be violating the emolient's clause.
And then the current two impeachment articles are legitimate. Trump must be removed.
Right Wing Nonsense News just massages the Lizard Brain, it is destroying our democracy.
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^^^ STFU!
News Hour 12/13
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WATCH LIVE: House Judiciary votes on articles of impeachment
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^^^ Everyone says to STFU!
IMPEACH AND REMOVE !!!!
The entire country supports this Impeachment whether you like it or not .
^^^ very largely true!
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PBS NewsHour live episode, Dec 19, 2019
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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter (Live) - OFFICIAL
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PBS News Hour
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Andrew Yang is talking about the media, Yang is really doing good.
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Iran has every right to defend itself from that Orange Maggot
IMPEACH AND REMOVE !!!!
Impeachment Trial suspended until 4pm Wednesday, at which time the final vote is scheduled. But still some follow up matters being discussed.
Trump senate impeachment trial continues – watch live
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I think this is all live now!
Schumer asking for supoenas of likely witnesses and trying to tell Roberts that he can break ties.
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^^^^ Collins votes YES!
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I think the pro-Impeachment Democrats have WON! this. They come out looking the best, so Trump is weakened.
And isn't it great, Republicans will have a choice, Bloomberg or Trump. Whereas we Democrats will all vote for the nominee!
This Trump removal process will continue until he is OUT!
1459 days of Resistance!
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Yes impeach and remove !!! Democrats 2020 !!!!
Impeachment and Removal Actions go into high gear NOW!
Refuse Fascism
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Trump and Pence Out Now!
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Supply Side is a fraud, always has been!
More job creation during Obama's last three years than in Trump's first three.
Supply Side is just a spoils system.
It will all come out. Never thought I'd be looking to an extreme Hawk like Bolton, but now we need him because he knows how Trump compromised our national security and sold out our troops.
Trump and his party are a complete disgrace!
Glad Doug Jones (D-Alabama) stuck with Democrats
Glad Joe Mansion (D-West Virginia) stuck with Democrats, convicting on one of the charges
Schumer, post acquittal
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Newshour Today 2/5
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The blistering campaign against Orange Man Trump goes into overdrive!
Romney to convict, but other Republicans Chicken
Buckle Down
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Not so, even China's GDP growing faster than ours!
Economy is not growing
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Donald Trump and the Politics of Decline: Doug Henwood
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^^^^^ Henwood is real good!
Voters react to President Trump's State of the Union
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In my observation, Trump's professed ideology is just the Red State doctrine of Rick Perry. It is completely bogus.
More Bernie Sanders response
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Working Families Party Response to the State of the Union: Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)
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Luntz: Voter reaction to State of the Union shows how divided the nation is
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Bernie Sanders responds to Trump STOU
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In State of the Union, Trump Celebrates Hate & Xenophobia While Touting “Great American Comeback”
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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer gave the Democratic response to President Trump's annual address to Congress from a high school in East Lansing, Mich., on Feb. 4. Here are her full remarks.
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Democrats Respond to idiotic STOU
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Nancy Pelosi has had Trump by the short hairs for some time now. She is exactly what we need at this time, starting from Trump's budget impasse shut down, leaving federal workers unpaid. Pelosi handled that masterfully.
Democrats Boycott & Walk Out of Trump’s State of the Union Address
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Amid the chaos in Iowa and President Trump’s expected acquittal today in his impeachment trial, Trump gave the annual State of the Union address Tuesday night. During his 78-minute speech, Trump made his case for re-election while touting the economy, trying to stoke fear and xenophobia about “criminal aliens,” and calling public schools “government” schools. A number of Democratic lawmakers protested his address. Michigan Congressmember Rashida Tlaib, Ohio Congressmember Tim Ryan, New Jersey Congressmember Bill Pascrell and Massachusetts Congressmember Seth Moulton all walked out of Trump’s speech. Others didn’t attend at all, including New York Congressmember Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Congressmember Ayanna Pressley, Texas Congressmember Al Green, Georgia Congressmember Hank Johnson, Tennessee Congressmember Steve Cohen, Oregon Congressmember Earl Blumenauer, Florida Congressmember Frederica Wilson, Mississippi Congressmember Bennie Thompson, Illinois Congressmember Bobby Rush and California Congressmember Maxine Waters. Democratic congressmembers who did attend the speech also broke into chants of “H.R. 3” when Trump spoke about lowering drug prescription prices. H.R. 3 is a House-passed bill that would require Medicare to negotiate for lower prices on insulin and other life-saving medications. Trump refused to shake House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s hand. She later ripped up a copy of his speech after he finished speaking.
During Trump’s speech, the father of one of the victims of the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida, was thrown out, after he shouted about his daughter Jaime’s death. Fred Guttenberg was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s guest at the State of the Union. He interrupted Trump’s speech when Trump touted his pro-gun positions. And Melania Trump bestowed the Medal of Freedom on right-wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh, who has spread racist conspiracy theories about former President Barack Obama, among other racist lies. We’ll have more on the State of the Union later in the broadcast.
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Homelessness Among School-Age Children Hits Decade-Long High
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New data shows homelessness among school-age children in the United States has surged to a decade-long high. More than 1.5 million public school students experienced homelessness during the 2017-'18 school year. That's more than double the number of students who were homeless over a decade ago. Experts say homelessness can have long-term effects on a student’s health and academic performance.
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Pershing Square, Downtown Los Angeles
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CSU San Jose has 4300 homeless students, the vast majority employed. And UCLA has had to set up its own homeless shelter.
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Pleaser straps, make mules stay on. Should carry these with you for any instant FS venues. Some girls don't understand yet.
One size, clear
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Awesome Pleaser 10" design. In my organization, the women will regularly be handed piles of the very best in slut wear and fuck me heels. Even visitor women get some of this right off. It helps them go bonobo.
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Obama's fault.
Demo country. California. Nancy fault
Obama was a fantastic President, and also governing from the center. He got his health care passed, whereas Bill and Hillary Clinton could not.
Nancy Pelosi, first woman speaker of the house, very smart and capable women. Dealt with Trump when he let federal workers go without pay during his budget impasse shut down.
Doug Henwood
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TRUMP 2020, TRUMP 2024, TRUMP 2028, TRUMP 2032 and when his grandchildren are grown TRUMP ..................
Trump and Pence Out Now!
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Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire trashing that Orange Man ( Neo-Fascist Gangster from the White House )
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WATCH LIVE: Speaker Pelosi and Minority Leader Schumer discuss next year's fiscal budget
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PBS NewsHour live episode, Feb 11, 2020
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Chris Hayes: Trump Is Weak, And Beatable | All In | MSNBC
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Will Progressives Stop Trump? (w/ Ro Khanna)
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The Danger to Democracy is With Us - Be Worried
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2020 Win For Progressives, Means Disrupting Trump
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Did The Banks Just Tell Us A Massive Crash is Coming? w/Richard Wolff
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POTUS is term limited, by constitutional amendment. To limit the House and Senate, seems like you would also have to have a constitutional amendment. Andrew Yang wants to do this:
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CNN reporter: This Trump impeachment claim 'is almost comical'
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Republican Senate Veteran Slams ‘Demeaning’ Trump After Impeachment Firings | MSNBC
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Making A Historical Parallel To Trump’s Impeachment Revenge Tour | Deadline | MSNBC
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Trump’s $4.8 Trillion Budget Would Cut Safety Net Programs and Boost Defense
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What Happens Next With Trump's Food Benefit Cuts - Breaking News
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Trump’s proposed budget seeks steep cuts to safety-net programs like Medicaid and food stamps
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Trump’s $4.8 billion budget proposal revisits rejected cuts
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Trump To Kick 700,000 Off Food Stamps
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Trump’s New Budget Funds Endless War & Nuclear Weapons While Slashing Aid to Poor & Hungry Americans
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This Is The Blues [ 31 ] ~ 2008 ( Modern Electric Blues ) (over 4 hours)
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Robin Trower - Twice Removed From Yesterday Album (1973
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IMPEACH AGAIN !!!!
The lament of the impotent: failure means learning nothing, trying the same thing again and then calling others names when you lose again. Democrats are like dogshit stuck to your shoe.
Impeachment Rev. 2.0 is coming soon.
In 2016 more people voted for the Democratic POTUS Nominee than for Donald Trump.
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Rev. 2.0 Investigations, call going out TODAY!
Chuck Schumer Calls for Investigation into Trump’s Retaliation-Motivated Firings
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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is calling on all 74 federal inspectors general to investigate retaliation-based firings of whistleblowers or witnesses who report presidential misconduct. Two days after his impeachment acquittal last week, Trump fired two key figures from the House’s impeachment proceedings: the National Security Council’s Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman and U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland.
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Trumptard should be in Jail right now .
So much of what he does, especially regarding the foreign emollients clause, can and should be prosecuted as crime. Never have we had this scale of corruption in the US before, let alone in the Presidency.
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Steve Winwood and Eric Clapton - Dear Mr. Fantasy (HQ)(Crossroads Guitar Festival 2010)
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Little Wing
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Blues in 'A'
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Today 2/15
Ukrainian President Zelensky rejects Trump's claim in CNN interview
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Judge slams Trump's remarks: Banana republic
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What's happening to U.S. asylum seekers forced to wait in Mexico ( unsafe, crowed, threatening, dangerous )
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No Parallel to this Anywhere in the World!
2 former Justice Department officials on Trump, Barr and the rule of law
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How the Republican Party went from Lincoln to Trump
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Has Trump Taken Down Our Democratic Republic?
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Trump and his party and his backers like Stephan Bannon use conservative cultural shibboleths to promote an economic system which completely devalues real work and is completely exploitative and unworkable. It is nothing more than a spoils system, a way of pocketing money.
Bernie Sanders, why Socialism is better than Capitalism
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Actually even with Medicare for All, Free College, and The Green New Deal, and with UBI which Sanders is not even talking about, you still do not have Socialism.
For that you would have to also get to public ownership of all large and strategic industries.
And Sanders is only talking about Democratic Socialism.
So workers actually deliver the goods and services which are needed, not just run on a treadmill to the benefit of the financializers, while being mocked and called "losers".
Squatting in high heels
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Peter Frampton Do You Feel Like We Do (2019, quite interesting)
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Creedence Clearwater Revival - I Heard It Through The Grapevine
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Amy Winehouse/Paul Weller - I heard it through the grapevine.Hootynanny 2006.
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Chicago - Old Days
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It was a kangaroo court. Trump was guilty on all accounts.
Trump kicked Hillary's fat ass; laughed in the face of the impotent ass clowns called the House Democrats and will win another election because progressives are too stupid andd whiny to understand how much Americans despise them.
Democrats will lose coz the DNC wants to appease the center right and not it's core constituency. Trump didn't win. The Democrats lost when they propped Clinton up. And many Trump votes were misguides fuck yous to the establishment
Many people voted for Trump as a way of saying fuck you to the Progressive Democratic party. More will do so this time around.
The party itself isn't progressive. But your statement is interesting. If you believe progress is bad then you must want the country to regress
Trump commutes sentence of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich
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Trump Pardon's Ex-San Francisco 49ers Owner Edward DeBartolo Jr. in Corruption Scandal
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Former Deputy AG Under Bush Calls For Barr To Resign | Morning Joe | MSNBC
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Former Deputy AG Donald Ayer On Why Bill Barr ‘Must Resign’
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Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Full Concert - Tollwood Festival 1997
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