OldGringo

Thanks Cristobal and Tbot. Right back at ya with the respect. One last thing. When I negotiate with them, it's usually playful and flirtatious too, so it's not all serious and usually doesn't kill the mood. With the last two chicas, we were hugging and whispering in one another's ear while we negotiated. To outsiders, we probably looked like we had a history and weren't discussing price. When they stick to a high price, I'll sometimes joke and say in Spanish that it's really easy work for them because I have a tiny penis and cum quickly. That usually makes them laugh and the negotiation gets more playful. Anyway, even though I'm hardheaded, I do read and digest other people's ways of doing things and it sometimes changes my thought process and aproach. So, thanks for sharing. I'm glad I didn't forget my checkbook today, because my chica wouldn't accept cash! :)

Thanks buddy. Hope you never get stopped. Still makes me nervous, even though they haven't robbed me yet.

Cristobal, I think you are a really good dude. We do things different ways and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just going to give one more perspective from my end. I'm not exaggerating when I say this. The worst arriba I've ever had was the one and only time I paid $100 for 30 minutes. After that experience, I realized paying top dollar or what the chica asks does not always equal a good experience. After that I started negotiating. A few things on negotiating. One, I never try to negotiate below $80. I accept that $80 is the fair market rate and I never try to lowball a chica below the market rate. Two, negotiating is very common in Mexico. While it may kill the mood for you and some others, these girls are professionals. They do this for a living and they are negotiating all the time. So, negotiating in and of itself won't ruin the experience with the chica. I've had tons of great arribas this year with chicas who I consider 8's and up. The most I've paid has been $85 for 30 minutes and 2,000 pesos for an hour or longer. I even had a chica drive 45 minutes to see me on her off day and she was only expecting 1,600 pesos, but I gave her 2,000 pesos and she was thrilled. Negotiating with these chicas beforehand didn't equate into negative experiences in any of the cases. I just had an arriba earlier today with who I considered to be the hottest HK chica working this afternoon. She wanted $160 for an hour. We agreed on $80 for a half hour. After the session, she asked me for my number and said she wanted to visit me at my apartment the next time to cook for me. I said that sounds great, but we'll need to discuss price because I don't know how much you'll want. She said $80 for an hour is fine. I said I'll give you $100. So, sometimes if the chicas click with you, it's not all about the money for them. Last thing... Again, I think you are a good guy. Guys that choose to pay them what they ask or don't sweat the extra $20 they ask for are treating them well. I don't knock anyone for doing that. Being nice to a girl and treating her well and paying her well is cool. I'm sure the girls appreciate it and you'll be treated well in the future. However, keep in mind that some of these girls are rich by Mexican standards. For some of the less attractive girls or some of the B or C team girls so to speak, they may not get a lot of arribas, so money might be tighter for them. In their case, I agree that the extra $20 may mean a great deal to them. However, with the hotter looking chicas, those girls are raking in cash. I know a couple that grew up completely broke and now have over $50k in cash in their checking accounts, another $15k in cash under their mattress, and multiple $1,000 iphones that guys gave them. That's not bad for an American. For a Mexican girl in her 20's that makes her rich in Mexico. So, for these girls, an extra $20 isn't making a huge difference in their lives. Heck, I'd argue that some of these girls have more money than a bunch of their customers. Anyway, just wanted to say all of that, because even though I try to negotiate a fair price, it doesn't diminish the quality of my experiences with the girls or my relationships with them. Everyone has to do what is most comfortable for them. At the end of the day, it's all about having fun in TJ and building lasting memories. We only get one go around, so might as well enjoy it.

ey up front, but you still have a little leverage.

One last suggestion Kman. You wrote that all the girls wanted payment up front, which eliminates your leverage. If the girl refuses to accept payment after, I've found that nearly all of them are agreeable to 50% payment up front and 50% after. This is especially good for hour sessions, so they don't leave early. They get some mon