“We don’t like him”

A I would guess. But who the fuck knows

Can any, or multiple of the above. That said, some guys just creep the hell out of dancers, but they still have to act like they like him.

There was one guy at one of my favorite clubs, years ago that multiple dancers said they hated when he was there. He would come in once every month or two, be there from 8:00 PM until closing and spend time with several dancers, often up to three hours with each dancer. The club liked it when he was there, because he spent a lot, but none of my favorites did. Especially since the bouncers or managers would often escort one of his type of dancers right to his table if she was available. One dancer even remarked in her words that he had a "serial killer vibe," whatever that means.

It was so bad with two of my favorites, that either would walk up to me and immediately offer a dance discount, to get in the back fast enough and be there long enough, so that she would not be led by one of the bouncers to him, when he showed up. It was awesome for me, since I would have gotten a dance from her anyways, and those days I would get a bit more time with her than normal.

Probably A. That's common.

He sounds like a troll and not a good one

Sometimes there’s a certain type of guy gets above the radar… But not in a good way. I had a similar experience to What are rl27 described.

No doubt in my mind that the girls have their cliques and share information. Less likely to share information about a good customer than one that is creepy.

Who the fuck knows.

^^ Better question. Who the fuck cares ? When I'm in a club, I pay very little attention to other patrons inside. As long as they are not bothering me, I don't really even notice them.

Probably A, but it's all fair game if the club likes him. Not a big deal as long as he isn't bothering you.

I vote C and E except he doesn't have to be a big spender. I have a type just like everyone does and if you're a regular and regularly spend scratch then the girls that arent your type that see you spending regularly but not on them will grow to dislike you. Add a little alcohol rowdiness to the mix and there ya go. He might also be getting girls shitfaced and the other girls have to deal with the drunk drama too. Lots of potential reasons.

• $$$ usually trumps all in the SC - on avg the biggest complaint I hear from dancers is w.r.t. non-spenders, followed by guys that insist on constantly going beyond the dancer's boundaries

• one can take very-little at face-value in a SC - i.e. there can def be a jealousy thing going on here w.r.t. a big-spending regular never choosing a particular dancer

Agree with the general sentiment: there's just no way to know, and it may well be a contradictory mix of all of the above -- hey, it's strippers :)

To give an alternative perspective though, when I was a "baby PL" (lol), at the club I went to, there was a known guy who always asked for something kinky. I don't remember what it was he asked for, but as a baby PL it was shocking to me -- he wanted the girls to spit in his mouth or lick their toes or something. A few times I went in, and the girl I was with pointed him out, and there was clearly some mockery and disdain in her voice; we laughed about it together. This happened with a few different strippers. Then, one day it hit me -- most of the strippers might mock him or be disgusted by him, but he's still coming back day after day. Why? Because, dummy, he always finds at least one taker, and that's all he cares about -- he cares about getting the experience he wants, not what the other strippers think about him. This was actually one of my early epiphanies (I can actually tell you the club and girl I was sitting with when I had it, way back in 1994). And, actually, is what led to me to say fuck it, and ask my then-CF to do something I'd always wanted to do, but was terrified would disgust all the girls: could I spank her? She gave me a big smile and "of course! I love it!", and that sent me down my road towards focusing more on the experience I want, rather than caring what strippers who aren't interested think of me, or other PLs for that matter.

Anyway, that rowdy drunk guy at the bar may be a dick, but he managed to find a stripper and seems to be having a good time. Interdasting!

Options A through E could all be in play simultaneously. The only time I care about another guy in the club is when he's monopolizing a dancer that I want to spend time with.

I guess I'm selfish that way...

When I would frequent the Vietnamese Bikini Coffee shops many of the waitresses would talk to me about customers they didn't like (bad tippers, too handsy, bad hygiene, creepers, etc) and I felt good they would confide in me and the result was more visits (and tips).

I think this instance was just SS to continue to build your relationship.

^^^ Yes. That works on very many of us. One of the more interesting conversations on StripperWeb, some of the girls explaining which hustle they used on which type of guy. I don't remember where I found that discussion, and it was years ago, but I thought one of them nailed the "guy who desperately wants to think he and the stripper are 'insiders' together and they're both a little too cool for this place". They use the gossip hustle on them.

Part of being a TUSCLer is trying to separate SS from other chit chat. There is an insider hustle, but it's obvious to spot because it serves no purpose unless the guy gives a tell that it'll work. You've just reminded me of something else, though, thatbI meant to tee up as a discusion or article. Since articles are back maybe I'll just throw it over there.

Is this the thread:

stripperweb.com

No, it was a much longer thread, but that one would have been interesting if it had taken off

Damn it! I’ve asked and asked and asked again that the girls not talk behind my back.

That thread Liwet posted is exactly why the TUSCLer angles work so well. My problem in clubs these days is I'm just too tired or bored to use them to the fullest anymore. I just come across as indifferent more often than not unless they're an obvious VIP play.

How about this one? stripperweb.com

E

BoringLoser found an interesting old SW thread. Below is an interesting exchange quoted from that thread, and it even features a cameo from 2010-vintage lopaw:

jack0177057 09-29-2010, 11:39 AM

^ Laurcon, you just like to pick fights with me for some odd reason...

If I said something in another post that offended you... I'm sorry... I apologize for whatever caused you to become so hostile towards me.

Now, move on... Get over it... I'm not biting...

.... Okay, I'll bite a little... I can't resist... Your comment - "thinking you might get your nut off at some point is real complicated to figure out " - is too simplistic and shows you are not as savy as the other dancers on this thread.

I'm in Houston, I can get my "nut off" in nearly any SC for a reasonable price (not every dancer, but at least a few, in nearly every club). I choose not to buy happy ending extras because I am in a LTR and that goes past the line for me. So, if this is your strategy (i.e., to pretend to be an happy-ending extras girl), it would not work for me and might turn me off if you insisted on on getting my "nut off", after I said "no, thank you" five times.

On, the other hand, the other strategies discussed here, like mirroring, modeling behavior, "nonchalant" physical contact during small talk, taking certain steps to develop attraction and admiration, etc. - these are brilliant! I admire women that apply human psychology (more than just promising a BJ) in their sales technique.

laurcon 09-29-2010, 04:02 PM

It's nothing personal Jack, I just happen to have problems with many comments you post.

And you totally got me. I'm not savvy at all and that's my technique... pretending to be an extras girl. Keep living in your fantasy land where I don't kick ass.

"at some point" does not mean that night!

lopaw 09-29-2010, 07:40 PM

I think it's fascinating to watch a dancer I don't know approach me with that look on her face that says "hmmmmm.....how do I hustle HER?" Most start off shy and unsure of what to do or what to say. But after we chat a bit and they realize that I respond to what most PL's respond to, they relax and just do their normal hustle (or at least that's how I interpret it), consisting of alot of touching and sexy talk,which is always fun for me and usually very prosperous for them. I'm definitely not complainin'.

But I don't want to give this factor too much thought because I want to suspend reality when I enter a club, and psycho-analyzing what a dancer may or may not do would ruin the fantasy for me.

A. I've been in a club talking to a girl and she'll mention how much guy X annoys her. Then she goes over and chats it up with guy X. Glad I'm not guy X! (or am I?)

Then you wonder if she’s telling guy X how much she hates guy Y (you)

"Then you wonder if she’s telling guy X how much she hates guy Y (you)"

I've had this happen. This would be queen bee at Mens Club in Raleigh loved drama. Talked shit about everyone, to everyone. Dancers. Customers. Management. Everybody. Then she would complain that the girls were mean to her and management didn't have her back.