My relationship with the DS is over
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
Eleven months ago the most incredible dancer I've ever met walked into my life. Last night, she walked out. Well, truthfully she walked out a few weeks ago. I just didn't confront the reality of the situation until last night.
I have told the absolute truth here about my relationship with her because it was so amazing I couldn't keep it in. I guess maybe I realized subconsciously that it couldn't last. Writing it down was a way to memorialize it. It was a way of pinching myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Well, now that it's over, I will tell the truth about how it ended.
This so sounds so cliche, but it was best this way. If she were just some run of the mill ho, then nothing would change. If she were just like all the others, then she'd stay dependent upon me. But she's not. Not even close.
As usual, I can't share everything. I might be able to share more later. I've probably been too paranoid about protecting her identity. But I can't make those kinda decisions now. I'll think on it. I'd like to tell more about her, so you can appreciate how exceptionally rare she is. Or at least how rare she was.
What happened that I can disclose last night? It's quite simple really. She makes so much money itc, doing lame semi air dances at a non-extras club, that it no longer makes sense for her to go out with me. She makes $1K easily almost every night. Sometimes it's $1.5 K. And she's had $2K plus nights. Those big nights are growing. Things keep looking up for her. A dancer making this much itc no longer needs to supplement it with outside money. Even outside money from a guy who pays like I do.
She's developed an amazing System for parting PLs from their money. Using her good looks, amazing hustle, and relationship with bouncers, she's making so much doing VIPs most of the night that she can easily afford to walk away from a huge spender like me. And she's not having sex with a single customer besides what we were doing.
Call me as pathetic as you want, but I am the only customer she ever fucked for money. I am the only customer she ever had sex with in a VIP. She is not, and never has been, an extras girl. That's one thing that made her so amazing. She was my ho, and only my ho. I fucked her bareback for all that time, and never caught anything. And I still wouldn't catch anything if we could do it all over.
I didn't want it to be over. Fuck. What an incredible understatement that is. Here's my pathetic truth. I offered her $1,500 per session to keep going with me. It hardly even registered with her. I offered her $2,000. She said no. Later in the night I offered her $3K. I was prepared to offer her 5. I wouldn't have gone any higher, and that would've just been for one final session. But I stopped at 3. Cause it would do no good. She would've said no to 10. She was my ho, but she's not a ho any more.
In a weird way, I was kind of proud if her. She has built herself into the baddest bitch in this club. But I saw her first. I knew exactly how amazing she was from the very outset. Nobody saw it then except me. Now, for some reason, everybody seems to have discovered what I saw.
I can compete for her monetarily against almost every guy in this high end club. But I can't compete collectively against every guy in the club. The PLs here collectively pay her a fortune, and they get almost nothing from the encounter. Stupid little fuckers. I can't compete against that.
I knew it was truly over last night when she was giving me, me of all the people, a lame VIP dance. She was dancing for me like she dances for others. I'm the guy that was planning a trip to Hawaii with her. And I'm sitting there getting a fucking air dance.
So it's over. Of course she wants to keep seeing me itc, but she's gotta know that I'm gonna walk. I all but said as much last night. She knows how much I understand strip clubs, and I won't spend on her like these other idiots -- to get teased and leave with blue balls. But she makes so much money now she doesn't care that much about loosing my money. There's another PL in the crowd tonight that pay her upwards of two thousand per night (yeah two thousand dollars) just to sit and talk in VIP. He's rich. He comes in all the time and is as obsessed with her as I am. But his $ makes me look like a pauper. And there's a ton of guys with lots of money right behind him. They get no mileage from her but they spend, spend, spend, just to see her naked and be in her presence.
The bouncers and the waitress want her to dump me tonight and go dance for that guy. He tips everybody itc big bucks so they love him. But she doesn't do that to me. She leaves him waiting to talk to me. Cause she knows he'll be there when I'm done. The big spender has been out spent.
She doesn't want to admit what we had. She's afraid that I'll tell other in her club what we did. She was only an itc girl with one customer, and she knows it would hurt her for that info to get out in this club. She asked me to promise that I'd keep quiet. But she needn't worry. I'm a man of integrity. I would never do that.
And there is a positive side to all this. Last night saved me a fortune. I really did need to stop spending so much on her. I seriously considered cutting the ties, or at least cutting down on our visits, to save cash. Now she's made that hard decision for me.
Well, now I'm gonna call my wife and get back together with her.
I have told the absolute truth here about my relationship with her because it was so amazing I couldn't keep it in. I guess maybe I realized subconsciously that it couldn't last. Writing it down was a way to memorialize it. It was a way of pinching myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Well, now that it's over, I will tell the truth about how it ended.
This so sounds so cliche, but it was best this way. If she were just some run of the mill ho, then nothing would change. If she were just like all the others, then she'd stay dependent upon me. But she's not. Not even close.
As usual, I can't share everything. I might be able to share more later. I've probably been too paranoid about protecting her identity. But I can't make those kinda decisions now. I'll think on it. I'd like to tell more about her, so you can appreciate how exceptionally rare she is. Or at least how rare she was.
What happened that I can disclose last night? It's quite simple really. She makes so much money itc, doing lame semi air dances at a non-extras club, that it no longer makes sense for her to go out with me. She makes $1K easily almost every night. Sometimes it's $1.5 K. And she's had $2K plus nights. Those big nights are growing. Things keep looking up for her. A dancer making this much itc no longer needs to supplement it with outside money. Even outside money from a guy who pays like I do.
She's developed an amazing System for parting PLs from their money. Using her good looks, amazing hustle, and relationship with bouncers, she's making so much doing VIPs most of the night that she can easily afford to walk away from a huge spender like me. And she's not having sex with a single customer besides what we were doing.
Call me as pathetic as you want, but I am the only customer she ever fucked for money. I am the only customer she ever had sex with in a VIP. She is not, and never has been, an extras girl. That's one thing that made her so amazing. She was my ho, and only my ho. I fucked her bareback for all that time, and never caught anything. And I still wouldn't catch anything if we could do it all over.
I didn't want it to be over. Fuck. What an incredible understatement that is. Here's my pathetic truth. I offered her $1,500 per session to keep going with me. It hardly even registered with her. I offered her $2,000. She said no. Later in the night I offered her $3K. I was prepared to offer her 5. I wouldn't have gone any higher, and that would've just been for one final session. But I stopped at 3. Cause it would do no good. She would've said no to 10. She was my ho, but she's not a ho any more.
In a weird way, I was kind of proud if her. She has built herself into the baddest bitch in this club. But I saw her first. I knew exactly how amazing she was from the very outset. Nobody saw it then except me. Now, for some reason, everybody seems to have discovered what I saw.
I can compete for her monetarily against almost every guy in this high end club. But I can't compete collectively against every guy in the club. The PLs here collectively pay her a fortune, and they get almost nothing from the encounter. Stupid little fuckers. I can't compete against that.
I knew it was truly over last night when she was giving me, me of all the people, a lame VIP dance. She was dancing for me like she dances for others. I'm the guy that was planning a trip to Hawaii with her. And I'm sitting there getting a fucking air dance.
So it's over. Of course she wants to keep seeing me itc, but she's gotta know that I'm gonna walk. I all but said as much last night. She knows how much I understand strip clubs, and I won't spend on her like these other idiots -- to get teased and leave with blue balls. But she makes so much money now she doesn't care that much about loosing my money. There's another PL in the crowd tonight that pay her upwards of two thousand per night (yeah two thousand dollars) just to sit and talk in VIP. He's rich. He comes in all the time and is as obsessed with her as I am. But his $ makes me look like a pauper. And there's a ton of guys with lots of money right behind him. They get no mileage from her but they spend, spend, spend, just to see her naked and be in her presence.
The bouncers and the waitress want her to dump me tonight and go dance for that guy. He tips everybody itc big bucks so they love him. But she doesn't do that to me. She leaves him waiting to talk to me. Cause she knows he'll be there when I'm done. The big spender has been out spent.
She doesn't want to admit what we had. She's afraid that I'll tell other in her club what we did. She was only an itc girl with one customer, and she knows it would hurt her for that info to get out in this club. She asked me to promise that I'd keep quiet. But she needn't worry. I'm a man of integrity. I would never do that.
And there is a positive side to all this. Last night saved me a fortune. I really did need to stop spending so much on her. I seriously considered cutting the ties, or at least cutting down on our visits, to save cash. Now she's made that hard decision for me.
Well, now I'm gonna call my wife and get back together with her.
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What I'm really gonna do is go see DS2. When you fall off the horse, you get right back on.
It was an incredible ride.
In reality, I did "fall" off a horse when I was about 8 years old. Took me years to get back on one. I only busted my skull. Seems you busted your heart. More difficult to mend.
"I’ll go home and I’ll think of some way to get her back. After all, tomorrow is another day!”
Know when to fold'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
Explains why DS2 was important. What's known as a contingency plan....but it still has to pain your heart to lose that special connection. Hang in there....don't smoke too much dope in this state of mind. It can depress just the same as it provided intensified desire.
Anyway, sorry to hear that John, but all good things must come to an end
Eventually all of these girls do the same thing and you start to realize that no matter how much you spend whores have no loyalty and you may not realize it but you still have the upper hand.
Here's how ! Use that cash you have buy a few toys (a boat, a great ride ) find a few buddies and play golf or go fishing or learn how to play in a casino. Word will get back to her eventually and I guarantee she will call you eventually. But by the time she calls you you will be enjoying yourself and may not want anything to do with her. Trust me on this one,there are lots of absolutely drop dead geourgous broads out there that love to fuck guys with money for free just to be part of your lifestyle and you will find one of them will turn you on just as much and more but now you will have lots of great stuff to do all of the time and these girls will be chasing you and your ego will love it.
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“August 8, 2015 • @JohnSmith69 “…she is totally unlike any dancer I can possibly imagine. But the job is slowly but surely having an impact on her. The changes are very subtle so far, but I recognize them. How much strip clubs will change her eventually remains to be seen.”
and so it begins...
spoiler alert: she isn’t the one who is changing. the fog of John’s dream is beginning to lift. if he is lucky he will awake relatively unscathed. if not his dream stripper may become a nightmare he is unable to ever awake from. be sure to tune in next month for the latest twists and turns of yet another PL drama brought to you by TUSCL”
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“August 27, 2015 • ^^^^^ ooops. sorry. my bad. that was advice for next month after you go, well you know, after you go all san_jose_guy crazy from too much weed and too much gravy”
What a nice run. Eleven months bb with a beautiful woman you consider a ten is fantastic. Nicely played.
Seems you've been very generous with her. If one of my favorites pulled any shit like this with me they wouldn't see another dime from me but you are upping the ante. Start spending that cash on honey's that will appreciate you.
Finally, I suspect that you either are refusing to share or are in denial about the real reason why it ended. I doubt any dancer would walk away from a whale like you just to hustle ITC. There is far more to this story. It is easy to become to clingy with these honeys, I don/t know.
Hay, cheers for your fine DS2. Now go find DS3.
Did you really think she would be your* ho only forever?
$1500 a session? Wow! No wonder these ho's are giving it up. Money talks no doubt. I hope she appreciates what you did for her, but on some level I don't know if she does.
Consider it a market correction. That's why it helps to have a diversified portfolio :)
But you know what? The reason doesn't matter. I agree with shadow in that I don't think that she'll be back either. I've seen this sort of thing several times before. In my experience, once they decide to stop, the decision is usually pretty firm. Time to find the next contestant.
Trust me, when I tell you I feel your pain, brother. I had a baby stripper whose first dancing job was at a club I frequented and we danced on and off for nearly six months. She used to spend a decent amount of time with me and opened up some about her personal life.
But after some time in the game, she became more of a hustler and it became more business. I ended up firing her. But I still think about this dime piece often. A twenty one year old vision of beauty with a pretty face and killer ass and nice rack.
The good news is I soon found new dancers that provided the same emotional response of the young dream hottie fantasy. That is the greatest thing about our hobby: they are ALL replaceable. It may take some time and some extra expenditures of capital but sooner or later you will be in a similar or better position than you were in before.
Drink a Pale Ale. Smoke a blunt. Time heals all wounds brother. You will bounce back and soon she will be nothing more than a faded pleasant memory brother.
I doubt the ITC $$$ is the reason; but that is only my glass-half-empty opinion looking from the outside in – possible reasons:
+ she may have a love-interest/BF in her life and does not want to be fucking somebody else – most women want to be in relationships especially young ones (vs PLs that can get by w/ just fucking)
+ she may have a sugar-daddy that is setting her up real good and she can't deal w/ 2 PLs at the same time
+ she got tired of the “relationship”
+ wongy sent her a pic of his huge dick and she realized what she had been missing and dumped you
I doubt it was a financial decision unless someone else is paying her big $$$ and I doubt that would be for just air-dances (perhaps going on dates; vacations; sex; etc) - just my thoughts.
Many strippers *do* come back when they lose a nice income stream, but if she's is all you say she is then perhaps she can still bank and not need your income.
Easy come easy go.
This was really about her success in the club to a great extent. She is making a fortune itc without a lot of mileage. She works 5 nights a week now instead of the usual 3 cause she's making a killing. This was a main factor.
The other thing going on is that she got pregnant a few weeks ago. No it was not mine. 100% positive. She had an abortion. And she fucking returned to work the night of the procedure cause she makes so much fucking money itc.
I don't understand women so I don't fully understand how the pregnancy/abortion played into all of this. But it wasn't a coincidence. Our relationship took a dive at about the same time that this shit hit the fan.
I doubt that she has a boyfriend. I think it was a guy she dated but not seriously. But I don't know for sure. And I'm not worrying about it or trying to figure it out. Just telling you guys cause you asked and are interested.
I won't share her club right now. Maybe later. But I want to think about that a while.
Nevertheless JohnSmith, at least you have the memories, nothing lasts forever.
I don't mean to be obnoxious, however, I have no idea how you could be 100% sure that kid wasn't yours.
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I think you are chewing on the "why" of it so much because you take it personally. Don't. All that ever does is lead guys to do dumb things, like offering a stripper $3k just to fuck her. ;)
The reality is that they would prefer to be fucking and hanging with guys closer to their own age than us, regardless of how much they try to make us believe otherwise. Consequently, these hot OTC gigs always have a shelf life. Once you wrap your mind around these realities, you'll handle the inevitable ends of these train rides with more equanimity. There is always another hot stripper just around the corner waiting to become the next DS.
I do buy that an abortion can fuck with a 19 year Old brain and emotional state. And since she can make her rent without fucking, the extra cash may not be worth it.
Really though, the why doesn't matter. We've all had a fave quit. Some of them come back. Some don't
Yeah, I know, I feel like going to see my ATF and giving her a piece of my mind
And it's hard enough to try and figure out what goes through a woman's mind. Even tougher a 19 year old girls mind. The abortion probably played a big role.
You get knocked down then you get back up. I am not going to call them "whores" or otherwise dehumanize them like some people here like to do, but I will say that dancers are by and large replaceable.
It's hard to find people with whom to share strip club experiences. Most people wouldnt understand or care, or if they did care it would only be for judgment and criticism. It's nice to have a forum to share with people who understand.
And I totally agree with the common sentiments expressed in the responses. My time with her will soon be among some of my favorite memories. Now I've got a date with DS2 coming up, video girl after that.
I had too many strippers and knew I was going to have to get rid of one of them. I just thought it would be video girl.
i know what you mean man, it doesn't get any easier with age does it?
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Seriously, JS, I'm sorry to hear of this loss. I'm sure you're grieving in a sense but it sounds like you have some consolation prizes.
No matter how you rationalize it, it all comes down to this:
It's all in your head.
Take it from a Zen quote.
It's not her problem, the problem is in your head.
Remember I told you that divorce tears one apart. It can be so bad that any ongoing relationships and one's career can be destroyed.
Try to stay out of trouble and just be with your feelings, while you consider what sort of a new life you want to build.
SJG
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Lone Wolf, I wish you were right. But you're not.
Skibum, it's easy to be judgmental when you have a wife who is a sexual freak. Not many guys have that.
Chess, wouldn't do you any good. She's always been a low mileage dancer except with me. I know that sounds naive but I know for a fact that it is true. What has changed is that I'm now in the same low mileage category as all other customers. Only difference is I don't pay for low mileage and her other customers do.
Fucking awesome words for us all to live by!
I see 2 ways this happened based on the info you’ve given:
1- She’s cooled her jets with you because she realized she’s been a personal whore to a much older PL. The pregnancy and abortion could’ve been SS.
2- Let’s assume she really was pregnant and had an abortion. This surely fucked with her head and made her reconsider what she was doing with you. You may have asked her if she was ok or wanted to talk about it and she prolly said she was fine and it was no big deal. You bought this because you’re a guy and immediately switched gears to try and setup your next sex session. This made her realize she was nothing more than a personal whore to a much older PL. Maybe she was needing a friend and was hoping you were more than just a john…..literally.
Blaming it on the money she makes ITC is just a way to make yourself feel better. If she wasn’t suddenly feeling like the whore she’s been for the past year she wouldn’t turn down the kind of money you say you’ve been throwing at her no matter what she’s making ITC.
I have no idea if she’ll get over these feelings and come back for more. Maybe, maybe not. Either way you had a good run and you have others already there to take her place. She wasn’t your friend. She was a rent-a-ho and you knew from day 1 this had a time limit. I’m not calling her a ho because she’s a stripper either nor am I trying to be derogatory. I’m calling her a ho because she’s been spending time with you and fucking you simply because you pay her to do so which no one can deny makes her a ho. She could’ve been a civvie and I’d still call her a ho since she was doing P4P.
I really know nothing of your situation though so I could be way off base. It’s just the way I see it based on what you’ve posted.
Her making more $ itc is the excuse she gave me. That explanation fit the facts, but that doesn't mean that it was the real motive for her decision.
Your explanation makes a lot of sense. She is not an extras girl and never fucked customers with any regularity besides me. I always wondered how she reconciled being a ho to me with the fact that she was otherwise a low mileage dancer. Maybe she just ignored the question for as long as she could, and she dumped me once she confronted the question and couldn't answer it.
Even though your situation isn't the same as mine, I see some similarities. I mentioned in the other thread that you might let her know that the door is still open, but reading through this thread again suggests that advice was wrong. As I've mentioned before, if you go much farther, whether it ends well, or badly, it will end. And then there will be pain.
I still haven't completely extricated myself from my situation, but I'm making progress. Save yourself the effort.
She actually uses me when a guy is on the fence by coming to talk to me and making the guy think he might miss his chance.
The important thing is to just be chill.
I'll just try and explain it in my own words. The whole arrangement with the DS was never completely about money, not for her. She is not a professional escort. She doesn't try to maximize FS-ITC or OTC money.
She is very young, and she enjoyed the times with JS69, but eventually she just had to consider what she is doing with her life and where is this going.
JS69, I commend you for recognizing that divorce was necessary. But it is better if you can do it clean, meaning divorce when you are not seeing anyone, not engaging in any infidelities. Okay, but things are as they are. Now you need to just be with your feeling and you do need to try and understand the failed marriage. None of us can actually move on until we understand what has happened.
And newly divorced men, we do have it written all over us. It is like a smell.
SJG
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take your fucking meds san_jose_guy
and a shower with soap will help with that smell you carry around. just sayin'
And I know you feel strongly about it, but I can't imagine why as a newly divorced man I wouldn't be grabbing all of the pussy that I can. I'm free, finally, and I've got a lot of lost time to make up for.
And I don't smell.
Somehow something happened. It may not be you or she. It may be just the way marriage works in our society.
In any event, you gave your word and tried to make it work. But it didn't and so you had to pull out. It still reflects on your character and your identity.
And the recently divorced men who have such unhealed wounds do indeed smell, to women.
SJG
I also miss the back and forth banter between Alucard and Dougster. I don't miss much more from Alucard. He could have been Bernie Sannders as far as I know except for the part about having gun rights. He did not believe the people should have a right to defend themselves with a gun.