“Looking for free”
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
To piggyback on LDK's “spend something” thread.
I sometimes hear dancers complain that guys that don't tip on stage are “looking for free” - even more so in clubs where dancers do a club-wide tip-walk and expect every custy to tip them.
I don't like the thought of being obligated to tip every dancer no-matter if I like her/find-her-attractive or not – I go to the SC to spend my $$$ for *me* to have a good time; not to take care of every dancer.
As far as I'm concerned; I did not ask a dancer to go on stage and strip; the club makes her do that; thus why do I have to pay you for something I did not ask you to do – if you don't want to go on stage then take it up w/ the club not the custy.
So I don't see it as me “looking for free” - sure I look at the stage – what the hell else am I gonna do; look at the wall or the floor – it's like when one goes to a sportsbar and they have a game on TV; you are going to look at the TV but you are not paying extra to look at the TV.
I'm sure there are those that either like or feel it's proper to tip every dancer; but that should be up to each individual custy and not be a requirement as many dancers seem to want it to be.
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My own personal rule of good practice is that I tip a girl if I'm staring at her even if I'm not at the tip rail. Staring means something more than just the occasional glance. I think it's rude to not tip if you stare, but of course that can't really be enforced.
Occasionally if a PL is staring at one of my favs (especially the DS) and won't tip, I mention to him that the girls don't dance for free. But only if he doesn't look he could kill me with his bare hands if he wanted to.
The tip-parade shit in Miami is sometimes out of control in certain clubs – dancers will interrupt you for a tip even if you are talking to another dancer and even if you are getting a floor-dance – in some clubs depending where you sit you may not have a view; or good view of the stage – still under these circumstances I've had dancers demand a tip “b/c you shouldn't be there to look for free”
In other clubs I never sit up front. I always like to have my back to a wall to prevent fuglies from sneaking up on me and I don't want to tip every dancer that gets up there.
I got out smarted at the Goldrush in Atlanta. I sat at the bar with my back to the wall. Maybe a dozen dancers working and pickins were slim but I though I was safe from having to tip them. Wrong. Next thing I know they are dancing on the bar top and standing right over your drink until you tip them. They can make 3 passes during 1 song depending on how many customers are seated at the bar. I don't go there anymore.
I do think that sitting at rail and not tipping is rude. But I had custies who did it yet spent a lot later on dances, soooo. I won't care too much about zero stage tips, my pet peeves are assclowns who 1)expect me to take tip out of his mouth and get surprised when I rip it off ; 2)try to grope me on the stage for couple of bucks ; 3) wave their bucks to me.
Tip if you sit at the rail. Tip if you want to grab some attention. Otherwise no need to stage tip.
Recently, though; I've gotten cool with the idea of stage tipping. I've probably tipped twice as much on stage since April than I have the rest of my five-year SCing career. I'll do it if no one else is tipping and I'm actually watching stage, or if I just feel like doing something different. It doesn't cost much at all: I mean, a $2 tip to 10 girls is hardly anything (it just doesn't feel right to me to tip $1). I'll never do two tip-related things, though: sit at the tip rail or go to a place with a tip walk.
I tip at the stage if I'm sitting there. I tip at the bar if she lets me play with her boobs. I tip in the back if she blows me.
I don't tip if I'm not the one initiating it. I've gotten plenty of dirty looks when declining to tip for a tip walk, but the absolute worst they can do is kick me out.
And in Louisville, it is apparently illegal to *ask* for tips in the first place.
point well-taken – but just b/c a custy is not spending on stage does not mean he is not willing to spend or is not a good spender – and vise-versa – just b/c a custy spends a few bucks on stage does not mean he is a good spender.
If a dancer notices a custy eyeing her on stage; that should be a clue that he is interested even if he does not go up to the stage to tip her for w/e reason (not his thing; does not have singles on him; does not feel like getting up and possibly losing his seat/drink; etc).
Some dancers get pissed for not getting a few bucks on stage and then fail to make the bigger bucks – some will half-ass it on stage if not getting tipped and they think that is a good/right thing to do but that is counter-productive IMO b/c a custy watching her on-stage w/ poor demeanor whom may have been considering getting dances from her may subsequently pass b/c of her shitty stage-show and attitude.
Dancers wanting $$$ as much as we want sex means they'll do w/e – at least in Miami in the larger clubs w/ a tip-walk; dancers get greedy and they constantly approach custies for a tip even if they did not just get off stage from their stage set – they'll go up to custies all night long asking for tips making the custies think they just got off stage – in a busy club w/ a tip-walk; you can easily get approached 5 different times during just one song by a girl wanting a tip – and this is all fucking night long – it gets to the point one can't just sit back and relax and all they are dong all night long is reaching into their pocket to give tips as if one was Santa Klaus.
I even think that for many dancers in these types of clubs; this is their main and preferred way of making their $$$ - rather than have to go up to custies and convince them for a $25 dance and have the PL grope them all over – they seem to prefer to walk the club all night long asking for tips and often times just doing as little as just asking you for a tip while they stand a foot away from you or just holding out the side of their g-string and not saying anything and just expecting you to tip them w/o them doing anything – and many will give you a look of disgust if you do not tip on demand.
Fuck that shit – dancers are there to accommodate me – not the other way around.
I believe Ohio law says that dancers can't ask for tips, drinks, or dances but that doesn't stop most of them and usually the least attractive ones that I want to avoid are the ones that badger you the most.
I don't mind tipping some dancers; but don't want to tip every single one of them and especially don't want to be tipping 5 different dancers during each song.
Papi: true... but I doubt dancers see it that way. If you can't muster $1-2 for a dancer of appropriate quality for her stage set, is that dancer going to think you are interested in more?
Different clubs have different M.O.'s.... so my earlier comment can never be universal to all clubs. My go-to club has about 20 dancer on Fri/Sat night. Let's say that 10 of them are fine IMO. I want to tip those 10 to not get a bad rep with them even thou I'm only going to LD/VIP with 1 or 2 of them.
I think all most all of the clubs I've been to are stage tipping with no tip parade. Only tip parades I can remember are the DC clubs I've been to recently. In those clubs it was pretty clear cut who just got off stage and was due for a tip. I can see larger more hustle oriented clubs being problematic.
I haven't seen too many tip walks, but what I do like is when clubs have the girls go around giving mini lappers for 45 sec to a min for a couple bucks. you get to see a girl up close and maybe decide you want to gets full dance with them.
There's one club here that's smaller and the dancers busk every customer during the day. But day cover is $5, no valet, no drink minimum, free soda. So tipping a buck every 5 minutes isn't that rough, and I can step outside if I really dislike a dancer.
I tip dancers at the stage often.
A tip with a real complement cheers up dancers. At least down here in Texas.
Happy dancers bring good vibes inside the club. Wallets open. Booze flows. Lap dances, CR and partying. Everybody has a good time.
In LDK's initial post, he wasn't spending on anything. No drinks, no tips, no private dances. If more clubs had customers like that, there wouldn't be more clubs.
By me, I've never seen this "tip walk" ever.
If you are sitting next to the stage, then I can see where it's expected that you tip the girls dancing.
If I'm sitting in a booth far away from the stage or at the bar (usually the case) then I don't believe you have to tip as long as you are either paying for a drink or having something to eat at the club.
For what? Talking? I should have asked her to tip me. But I just said "no Thanks".