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londonguy
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Could an atheist ever become president of the U.S.A.?

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mikeya02
11 years ago
Wow, that's an interesting question. Anything's possible I guess.
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shadowcat
11 years ago
An atheist would stand a better chance than a Muslim.
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DandyDan
11 years ago
Not openly. The South certainly wouldn't stand for it.
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mikeya02
11 years ago
Alucard would vote for him. The "Made by Stardust" platform.
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jester214
11 years ago
Atheists are an extreme minority in this country. Something like 3% or less consider themselves atheist. Fighting those kind of numbers is hard.

Despite DandyDan's assertion, I suspect most of the country would have an issue with it.

20 years from now? Who knows.
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mroo
11 years ago
Plenty of Atheists have already been president. I think what you mean is one that promotes atheism or one that is at least open about it.
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snowtime
11 years ago
My first reaction was a definite no. But the more I think about it, maybe. I am not totally sure that Obama would not have been elected EVEN if he was an admitted Athiest. The people that voted him in did so largely on his promise to keep the checks coming. Hard to see those who receive food stamps, welfare, medicaid, union members, teachers, trial lawyers, etc. voting for a Republican or Libertarian in a national election. I suspect they would not like his Athiesm, but would not want to see the money flow come to a halt. So, my answer would be yes, if he is running on the Democratic ticket.
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steve229
11 years ago
Lord knows when that'll happen
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motorhead
11 years ago
It's difficult to imagine at this point in time, but they once said a
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mjx01
11 years ago
Openly atheist? = not any time soon
closet atheist? = how sure are you we don't already?
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motorhead
11 years ago
It's difficult to imagine at this point in time, but they once said a Catholic could never be President and John Kennedy proved them wrong. And I doubt it's even an issue any longer.

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Dougster
11 years ago
The fool believes religion is true.
The wise man believes it is false.
The ruler believes that it is useful.
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motorhead
11 years ago
^^^

That's an appropriate quote
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jackslash
11 years ago
NO
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minnow
11 years ago
london guy- Has an atheist ever been PM of GB, or King/Queen of England?
For that matter, can you or anyone else name an atheist who has been a leader of any significant nation in our lifetime? (bonus points if you can do so without search engine or wiki.)
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Tyres
11 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised if there have been a couple of secretly-atheist popes over the centuries, let alone presidents. It's all about power.
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farmerart
11 years ago
Tom Jefferson?
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jester214
11 years ago
"For that matter, can you or anyone else name an atheist who has been a leader of any significant nation in our lifetime?"

I believe Australia and maybe one or two of the Scandinavian countries. Whether you consider those significant is up to you.

Jefferson had very complex ideas about religion and was certainly anti-church, but I don't think you could call him an atheist.
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mikeya02
11 years ago
Art, It's Thomas Jefferson. Tom Jefferson is some guy who talks about vaccines.
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jackslash
11 years ago
"For that matter, can you or anyone else name an atheist who has been a leader of any significant nation in our lifetime? "

Lenin, Stalin, Krushchev, Breshnev, Andrpov--Soviet Union
Mao, Zhou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping--China
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farmerart
11 years ago
Very interesting question; very interesting.

I have thought about Canada's Prime Ministers since Confederation in 1867. Our first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald was a glorious drunk who gleefully accepted backhanders from railway promoters but ol' John regularly courted the Orange Lodge for political support so he had, at least, to pay lip service to Protestantism.

Prime Minister through much of the 1930s and 1940s was certifiably weird. William Lyon Mackenzie King started his career as a labour lawyer for the Rockefellers when the delightful Rockefeller family was murdering striking Colorado miners. King was a lifelong bachelor who regularly frequented the Ottawa/Hull prostitutes. King was also a goofy spiritualist who used mediums to help him make contact with his long-dead mother and even more freakily, with his beloved dead dog, Paddy. He used Ouija boards to help with making political decisions. Very hard to call this character a church-going Christian.

Another bachelor Prime Minister, R. B. Bennett, died in mysterious circumstances in his bath. Some form of auto-erotic practice was always suspected in his death. He may have been a Christian in name but many of his actions as Prime Minister were the actions of the devil.

I always liked Pierre Trudeau for one of his most famous quotes: "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." Trudeau was a genuinely devout Catholic.


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jester214
11 years ago
"Lenin, Stalin, Krushchev, Breshnev, Andrpov--Soviet Union
Mao, Zhou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping--China"

With the exception of Lenin those names are a bit murky in regard to Atheism.
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sharkhunter
11 years ago
I think Hitler got left out. He was very anti Christian trying his best to get rid of it and religion with hopes to go back to pagan days. A role model for people of similar feelings. He believed in his own Gods of nature, etc.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read…

If people continue to vote for whomever might give them the most, candidates can lie and get into office. Just look who won the last election. He promised to save the average family $2,500 per year in health care costs, that he wasn't going to raise taxes on the middle class. That you could keep your doctor. The people fell for it.
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Tyres
11 years ago
I'm middle class, have never gotten government relief, have not had my taxes raised, have the same employer provided healthcare I had before Obamacare (of course I admit I have a real job with legit healthcare) and generally feel that my life and that of those around me is better than the days of housing market crashes and terrorists flying planes into NY and DC landmarks.
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ilbbaicnl
11 years ago
Ha! Next thing you'll be wondering is if the Supreme Court will ever decide gays have a right to marry under the Equal Protection clause!
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SlickSpic
11 years ago
Although not an Atheist I the Richard Dawins sense of the word, Thomas Jefferson did cut the bible apart to create his own bible. This act would make him a blasphemer.

@Doug-Great saying. If that one is yours, good job.
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Dougster
11 years ago
@Slic: I believe it was Cicero.
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carl95
11 years ago
No, because the Freemasons require your to believe in the Great Architect of the Universe.
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crazyjoe
11 years ago
Interesting viewpoints here. I have never had that thought cross my mind. I guess you never know what the future holds. Never say never
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crazyjoe
11 years ago
@ Dougster. ..that was great
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ATACdawg
11 years ago
Personally, I would vote for an open atheist who nonetheless treated other people and nations with dignity and respect, and took no crap from our enemies. The so-called "Christians" that the GOP has been promoting make me ill. The poison that spouts from their mouths should give all real Christians pause.

Give me a person who lives a principled, ethical life any day over the lying, pretentious prigs who claim that God is on their side.
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SuperDude
11 years ago
I have read Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Susan Jacoby. I don't think a political candidate espousing those views could get very far. Look how Thomas Paine was misjudged an atheist just because he accepted the concept of a Creator, but had no use for holy books or organized religon.
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skibum609
11 years ago
I have been a trial lawyer for 31 years and a Republican for 38. People who assume are always lame.
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mikeya02
11 years ago
When the anti-christ shows up, we surely will have an atheist leader.
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SlickSpic
11 years ago
Anti-Christ? I'm more worried about Ragnarok. These Thor movies are freaking me out.
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londonguy
11 years ago
@ superdude. I'm impressed, anyone who reads the work of Christopher Hitchens deserves credit. His brother, Peter, is also an author and his work is worth reading.
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SlickSpic
11 years ago
@Londonguy-Hey, what am I, chopped liver? I've read Dawkins. It must be your selfish genes.
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londonguy
11 years ago
^^ eh...don't understand that slick?
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Cheo_D
11 years ago
Not yet in the current generation; an openly gay candidate may even have an advantage over a "hardline" atheist POTUS in that time frame. Now, if we are talking about someone who affects a fuzzy "spiritually seeking but not into organized religion" vibe, that would still be far more acceptable to the general voting populace -- one could say a Deist like Thomas Jefferson would be the precedent for that -- and would be much more viable.


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