Your Personality and Your 'Success' In SCs
farmerart
I recently spent a long boring evening entertaining prospective investors in a Calgary SC. I did no private dances. I did not participate in the horrid loonie/toonie toss. I just spent the evening drinking and jollying along the investors I was courting.
A couple of dancers sat with me during the evening peddling SS to entice me into buying private dances. They both complimented me on my pleasing personality, my sense of humour, being 'comfortable' with me - blah, blah, blah. Other dancers in other clubs have shunned me because I was too aggressive or I was creepy, etc.
I am an upfront kind of guy. With me, what you see is what you get; in SCs, in business, anywhere in my life. Do you guys think our personalities have any bearing, at all, on our success or lack of success in SCs? I am dubious.
A couple of dancers sat with me during the evening peddling SS to entice me into buying private dances. They both complimented me on my pleasing personality, my sense of humour, being 'comfortable' with me - blah, blah, blah. Other dancers in other clubs have shunned me because I was too aggressive or I was creepy, etc.
I am an upfront kind of guy. With me, what you see is what you get; in SCs, in business, anywhere in my life. Do you guys think our personalities have any bearing, at all, on our success or lack of success in SCs? I am dubious.
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I hate that because it does seem true that "nice guys finish last".
I've always treated the women respectfully and never tried to push the envelope. They have always complimented me on that. They like my nice guy attitude so that's led to various. OTC meetings - but only for dinner, movies, shopping....not our definition of OTC.
Sometimes I wish I had a little more of that aggressive, bad boy attitude.
I suspect you were quite "pleasant", precisely because this was a business function and not one of your monomaniacal mongering visits. Besides, everyone loves the guy buying drinks.
"Now, I'm a jet fuel genius I can solve the world's problems
Without even trying
I got dozens of friends and the fun never ends
That is, as long as I'm buying"
If your personality made a difference and that was the reason then she would fuck you for free. Yep that does happen from time to time, but it's the only way to judge.
"I think you can be successful in SC's with almost any kind of personality except total jerk."
Hmm, then how do you explain Dougster?
You don't seriously think he's as big an asshole in real life as he is here, do you? In the real world, there are *consequences* for such...deliberate baiting, even if one *is* simply stating the truth in many cases.
Personality and demeanor might have some, or even much, bearing, but I'm not convinced it's the *deciding* factor in my success in clubs, despite what everyone thinks. I've seen too many jerks get almost the same treatment I do. Up to a certain point, I'm pretty sure money has more to do with it than personality.
"........not one of your monomaniacal mongering visits." ?????
Whatever did I post here that might have given you that impression of my usual SC behaviour?
Sheesh.........!
Absolutely I do. Dancers are human beings, not robots. Now that is not to say that they will burn all night with a "nice" guy or will refuse money from an asshole, but the way in which you interact with them will most definitely impact your overall experience and as well as what boundaries they are willing to cross.
I would describe my approach as calm and kind. In my humble opinion, calmness is the most important component as anything over the top can be offputting, including aggressiveness, nervousness and neediness. Even excess kindness can be problematic as it may make her think: (1) of you as a mark; and/or (2) that you are the needy/emotional/lonely type inclined to "fall in love."
Now sprinkle in a warm smile, relaxed body language, direct eye contact and some conversation skills and voila, you have a guy who she can be comfortable with. Finally, sprinkle in a bit of calm firmness when it comes time to negotiate matters and/or decline something that you do not want and you have all the makings of good interactions.
I routinely engage in OTC with girls in various parts of the country. I am convinced that part of the reason for this is that the girls know that I'm not going to: (1) assault or kill them; (2) try to rip them off; or (3) fall in love just because I got my dick wet. And most of my OTC girls are sourced in same night club to hotel conversions.
I think so. I'm not aware of any evidence to the contrary. :)
There are plenty of Assholes in the real world who continue to be Assholes 24/7.
"Do you guys think our personalities have any bearing, at all, on our success or lack of success in SCs?
Absolutely I do. Dancers are human beings, not robots"
I agree! Dancers are indeed human beings, & I treat them that way.
"I'm so fuckin funny with the girls at the clubs they can't staay awawy.....hell it could be a night I'm spending no money and I have a handful of ladies and skanks that will still fuck with me and my juice !"
Interesting.
“I hate that because it does seem true that "nice guys finish last".â€
MH – I’ve suffered from the same affliction. In life in general, nice guys “do†often finish last. In the SC in particular, a “nice guy†will often equate to a sucker to be taken advantage off and be bled for everything he has.
Being a nice guy is often akin to being the wounded animal in the herd and thus an easier target/prey.
“Sometimes I wish I had a little more of that aggressive, bad boy attitude.â€
I’ve heard of a saying that states something along the lines that “the opposite of love is not hate, but indifferenceâ€.
I found that being a nice guy in the SC does not really get me much and sometimes is detrimental in terms of certain dancers trying to take advantage of it. This does not mean that I try to be an a-hole in order not to be a “nice guyâ€; but I try to be/act “indifferent†and that seems to work better for me and actually seems to keep certain dancers in check.
1. Social context is everything. You have to be able to "read" what's going on around you, notice it, work within it, yes somehow (and ever so subtly) step outside of it in order to work it to your advantage. We're all of us doing this all of the time, but some of us become overt masters at it through careful study, while others are just middle-of-the-pack performers, and others are total naturals in the first place, and a few unfortunate others really don't even get to the level of competence. It's no big secret. Everyone does it to some extent. The difficult part is managing to THINK about it and GET BETTER at it.
2. People like decisiveness, aggression; in proper balance with cooperativeness, submission. Women in general, and hot women in particular, and especially women who are living the stripper lifestyle, have predilections that tend toward their own submission and the males' aggression, at least in terms of "real world" relationships. If you want to get in good with attractive women, you have to tend more toward the "male" or "dominant" or "aggressive" side of the spectrum, maybe more than is "natural" for you. But, it's not easy to micro-manage your own natural behaviors such that you end up working them to your benefit, in subtle fields such as this. See proposition #1, above.
3. And take Prozac or another long-term (prescribed? doctor-supervised?) mood-enhancer. Or just have a good life going on, in the first place. I notice a huge difference not only in what makes for an enjoyable day for me, but also in what other people seem to think of me. They respond to me better, simply because I'm responding to the world better. It's a long slow development, not something that one pill on a Friday night will fix. Rather, it requires a whole lifestyle-change, and you won't see the benefits immediately, and some benefits will wax and wane over the long term as well. But if you're finding that your life is full of frustration, you're pissed off at abstract things ("people these days!" "the damn government is taking away everyone's rights!" "can you believe what that asshole did with the Chinese team USA uniforms!"), then it's not because the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Rather, it's because you're determined to figure out how to interpret the world in such a way that it seems to YOU that it's going to hell in a handbasket. Recalibrate your interpretive strategies, as a life project. On the whole, other humans WILL notice, subtly; and WILL reciprocate, slowly.
It's not a panacea. But it's a start. I'm not very good at it. But I'd much rather be working on this project than on one of the other possible ones out there for me to work on.
indyslick makes a very valid point regarding levels of expectation of 'success' in SC visits.
And windowsidiot's pithy observation.......'Maybe I'm just getting old and lazy?'.....
I like that one!
I found your comments about hot women, and especially strippers, being drawn to guys with aggressive personality traits quite interesting. I think we have all observed this in their real world lives. . I don't want to hijack this thread - so you should explore this more on WHY this is.
This should be interesting.
Give me some love !
What if all the personalities on this board hit the same club on one hot summer night....it would be epic, perhaps epic fail, but epic nonetheless....Is there a club big enough???....lol
rickdugan and juicebox69 working the same club at the same time??
You could charge a $20 cover just to enjoy that spectacle!