Old Guys "Weird Out" Younger Men in Strip Clubs
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written exclusively for my fellow TUSCL readers by Boatmonkey<br />
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Lately on the Howard Stern Show, Ronnie the Limo Driver has caught a lot of flack for being "too old" to have young strippers perform for him. With unmerciful ball-busting, he's been told that his groping "weirds out" his younger co-workers when they're at the clubs together and that there's something seriously wrong with an old man who wants to enjoy the same carnal delights as the young bucks. Now this hurts because Ronnie and I are the same age, 62, and I keep telling myself that 60 is the new 40.<br />
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If you're between 20 and 45, you may agree with Ronnie's detractors. But after an admittedly small amount of soul-searching, I must reject the propostion that not all strip club patrons are created equal. In fact, an age-discriminatory attitude on the part of the young & dumb could ultimately only diminish their own strip club experiences if it drove out the old farts. Consider these points:<br />
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1. Old guys have the time to spend dayshift hours in the club. For one reason or another, some girls want to dance a dayshift. Often they're single moms with kids in school. We old guys have the time to frequent the clubs during those dayshift hours, before you youngsters get off work, and we can cover their payouts for you. This way, when you get there after 5 pm, the girls don't have to be so hungry to give you a quick rub & tug and move on to the next customer.<br />
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2. Old guys have money to spend on strippers, but not too much. We can budget reasonable sums from our fixed incomes to strip club fun but we generally aren't high-rollers. So even though we are a source of steady income for girls, they will ask us to wait while they take care of you younger fickle fellows who spend more than we do but don't swear loyalty to any one or two girls. And because we're old & dumb, we wait.<br />
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3. Old guys are never really in the running for an OTC romance. We may get some OTC action for pay, but no stripper in her right mind is going to fall in love with an old geezer, even one with money. They may have a string of old-timers who are favorite customers, but they reserve the pussy for real men who are near their age. Go get 'em, Tiger!<br />
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4. Old guys support the older strippers who have put in their time and shouldn't have to put up with the unwanted extreme advances of young dudes. My own ATF told me all her customers have white hair! And she pointed out a strapping young guy, sneered, and said "He just whipped out his dick and then he only paid me $25!" We older gentlemen know how to respect a lady. Take a lesson - let her decide to whip it out for you.<br />
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5. Old guys sit around the club and actually buy a drink or two before running to the VIP. This helps the club stay in business and without a club to work in our girls would be out of business. Most of them aren't whores, just girls who have found stripping is the best way they know to have a flexible schedule and make OK money (none of the dancers I know are getting rich).<br />
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6. And finaly, most important of all, old guys need love, too! As you'll find out when you get here, the body may look 60 but in your mind you are always some earlier age - for me, it's about 35. A very horny 35...<br />
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So lighten up, all you self-righteous young studs with rock-hard cocks and hair. Whether young & dumb or old & dumb, we are in this together. Cut us old guys some slack and appreciate what we do to help maintain the industry we all love! And when you eventually join the AARP club, step up and continue to do your duty as an older strip club patron, as outlined above.</div>
written exclusively for my fellow TUSCL readers by Boatmonkey<br />
<br />
Lately on the Howard Stern Show, Ronnie the Limo Driver has caught a lot of flack for being "too old" to have young strippers perform for him. With unmerciful ball-busting, he's been told that his groping "weirds out" his younger co-workers when they're at the clubs together and that there's something seriously wrong with an old man who wants to enjoy the same carnal delights as the young bucks. Now this hurts because Ronnie and I are the same age, 62, and I keep telling myself that 60 is the new 40.<br />
<br />
If you're between 20 and 45, you may agree with Ronnie's detractors. But after an admittedly small amount of soul-searching, I must reject the propostion that not all strip club patrons are created equal. In fact, an age-discriminatory attitude on the part of the young & dumb could ultimately only diminish their own strip club experiences if it drove out the old farts. Consider these points:<br />
<br />
1. Old guys have the time to spend dayshift hours in the club. For one reason or another, some girls want to dance a dayshift. Often they're single moms with kids in school. We old guys have the time to frequent the clubs during those dayshift hours, before you youngsters get off work, and we can cover their payouts for you. This way, when you get there after 5 pm, the girls don't have to be so hungry to give you a quick rub & tug and move on to the next customer.<br />
<br />
2. Old guys have money to spend on strippers, but not too much. We can budget reasonable sums from our fixed incomes to strip club fun but we generally aren't high-rollers. So even though we are a source of steady income for girls, they will ask us to wait while they take care of you younger fickle fellows who spend more than we do but don't swear loyalty to any one or two girls. And because we're old & dumb, we wait.<br />
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3. Old guys are never really in the running for an OTC romance. We may get some OTC action for pay, but no stripper in her right mind is going to fall in love with an old geezer, even one with money. They may have a string of old-timers who are favorite customers, but they reserve the pussy for real men who are near their age. Go get 'em, Tiger!<br />
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4. Old guys support the older strippers who have put in their time and shouldn't have to put up with the unwanted extreme advances of young dudes. My own ATF told me all her customers have white hair! And she pointed out a strapping young guy, sneered, and said "He just whipped out his dick and then he only paid me $25!" We older gentlemen know how to respect a lady. Take a lesson - let her decide to whip it out for you.<br />
<br />
5. Old guys sit around the club and actually buy a drink or two before running to the VIP. This helps the club stay in business and without a club to work in our girls would be out of business. Most of them aren't whores, just girls who have found stripping is the best way they know to have a flexible schedule and make OK money (none of the dancers I know are getting rich).<br />
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6. And finaly, most important of all, old guys need love, too! As you'll find out when you get here, the body may look 60 but in your mind you are always some earlier age - for me, it's about 35. A very horny 35...<br />
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So lighten up, all you self-righteous young studs with rock-hard cocks and hair. Whether young & dumb or old & dumb, we are in this together. Cut us old guys some slack and appreciate what we do to help maintain the industry we all love! And when you eventually join the AARP club, step up and continue to do your duty as an older strip club patron, as outlined above.</div>
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My reply to him was "if you can't run with the old dogs, stay on the porch".
Although I have never really felt that young guys are weirded out by my being in a club, it certainly is true that in some clubs, the girls hang out between numbers mostly with guys who could be my son, or, holy shit, not far from being my grandson. But I have also had a number of strippers tell me that they prefer older guys to younger, drunk, aggressive, often cheap, guys who are closer to their age.
We old farts appreciate labia majora and labia minora, and even aureoles, more than some young studs. We also enjoy whatever attention Mr. Happy might get, and even are willing to pay for it. The odd nipple in the mouth from a very well turned breast is still a thing to behold.
Fortunately, we're not totally out of the game. The idea that 60 is the new 40 is great, but sometimes the calendar doesn't lie. A purple pill may be a good friend, but Mr. Happy is still pretty much on his own.
My wife is out of town tonight, so in a few minutes I'm going to check in on a couple favs I don't see often enough. There may be a few young newbies (at least to me)on hand whom I will certainly enjoy, but it's likely to be one or two more mature ladies who will occupy my time and help empty my wallet.
In most clubs, if a guy wants a dance with a particular girl, he either walks up to her and asks, even if she's with someone else, or makes eye contact and gestures, or asks a waitress or other dancer to tell the girl he's interested. Very few dancers will pass on that opportunity. In fact, last night I tapped my fav on the shoulder while she was sitting with someone else, and she responded immediately. I don't see old farts locking down girls for hours. In my experience, it's the girls who seek out whom they want to sit with, not a bunch of duffers staking out territory.
Most dancers prefer older customers. Young guys usually don't spend money, are rude, and don't know how to play the game yet.
And if guys are smart, they will go for the older dancer who takes care of her self. You get the good body with the much under rated "experience" factor (that the young guys don't appreciate yet).
jerikson40> "but what I really object to is the older guys who often seem to fall in love with the hot young strippers, and inevitably lock down the hot girls for hours, talking and acting like they're 20 again and on a date"
Last time I knew SC's were all about selling a fantasy. If it's a guys fantasy for a girl to be his GF ITC or OTC and he's willing to pay for it, all the power to him if it makes him happy.
"Guys, we're not there to meet girls and find a date."
You should probably read the board more. There's an overwhelming amount of guys on here wanting to date or OTC/P4P with the girls.
"When I talked about giving other dancers a chance there was nothing arrogant about it. It's a fact that dancers are there to make money, and the more dances they get the more money they make."
Odds are she is making more money sitting there with the "older guys" than she would giving 2-3 dances to 6-10 different guys. That's stripper economics 101 Not to mention the fact that she isn't going to leave her regular with $$$ alone at the chance of another girl catching his attention or swooping in on him.
These are just my thought's and totally agree that there are plenty of girls for everyone to enjoy.
P.S. If I was trying to re-live my younger days, I would be trying to marry them - NOT HAPPENING!
And another thing, dancers' schedules are all over the board. The dancers that dance during the day may not at all during the night, some may do both occasionally, some may have irregular schedules. So to think that the old guy goes to the club in the afternoon to stake out the dancer and thus get an unfair advantage, is faulty reasoning.
If these old dudes are delusional, so are the young guys. Neither thinks these girls are going to be their girlfriends. If the old dude wants to spend his wad of money, let him. If the rich young dude throws money at a girl, you don't hear the old guys bitching. THAT'S the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules. If some young Mark Cuban kind of guy monopolizes a hot girl, I don't like it but what am I gonna do? Until I make my first million, I just need to accept it.
She hangs with me in the club because I'm spending money, or because nobody else is spending any, and she knows I'm good for a drink or two when it's slow. She gives me time because when we're *not* in the club, I'm spending way more money on her, and she knows it, and knows that I'm a picky motherfucker and won't spend any more on a girl who gives me short shrift. She goes out with me because I'm paying her to fuck, and I don't give her any shit about handing over the money when we're done.
When I'm out of money, she's gone.
I also tend to treat her with some measure of respect, because I *like* it when pretty women choose to talk to me instead of young shitheads who seem to think that words like "bitch" and "shawty" are terms of endearment.
Honestly, some of these girls should get Oscars for their acting ability in the face of that kind of treatment. I spend a fair bit of time with the girls at a local club in the smoking area, and so I guess they've gotten somewhat comfortable with my presence, and some of conversations they have about customers would curl your toes. Then they go out, put that smile on their face, and start with the "hey baby" like they weren't all complaining about what an asshole the guy was just three minutes before.
If the young guys *really* want to spend the kind of time with the girls that the regulars get, then maybe they ought to think about *emulating* the regulars, rather than complaining about them.
Guess I'd better not say how pathetic it is that, as "jackoff" says, there are an "overwhelming" number of guys on here wanting to date the dancers.
Okay, well I'll just slowly back out of here and let you guys congratulate each other on being awesome-er than anyone else.
Another time I was gabbing it up with my ATF and another stripper came by and said "Can I borrow her for a minute?" and then she whispered to my girl that another young guy in a ballcap wanted to have her dance for him. The love of my life barely said goodbye as she rushed to take care of business.
The lesson for me in these experience is don't wait forever for a girl. Be polite but tip her on stage or send the waitress or another dancer to tell her you would like to see her. At the least, you'll get in her queue. My ATF has one old dude that just likes to talk and actually pays her to sit and chat with no dances ever. But that's unusual and all the girls are there to pay their bills. Unless you are hienous, they will come see you if they know you want to spend some time AND MONEY with them.
Now let's all get out there and spend some dough this week helping these angels cope with life's challenges. And let's have fun together doing it.
My point is that is okay to think guys wanting to date dancers as PL, but these guy could be young and old.
Chances are, if you are 20 something, you can't afford to really enjoy a strip club and you are the ones taking up the girls' time with meagre attempts to get keep their attention for little or no money. On the other hand, there are girls in your own age/socioeconomic class who will spend the entire evening with you for less than the cost of a couple of lappers, if you take em to a movie or out for a couple of drinks. If you aren't a complete ass, more of them are likely to sleep with you than the dancers are. maybe they aren't as slutty hot looking as you might want (although a lot of them are) an enthusiastic semi-cute "civilian" girl is still usually a better treat than the professional attentions of a girl who is ONLY there for the money.
If you're a male in your 20's or early 30's, you should be able to date young, hot girls that are in their prime. You shouldn't have to go to a strip club to see or get attention from pretty women that are around the same age as yourself.And that's hard for me to admit, because I'm one of the younger guys. I'm only 24. And yet I go to the club once a month. That said, I work and commute back and forth college, so I don't meet a lot of women because I'm always on the move.
Honestly, I feel like strip clubs are more suited for older guys that, because of their age, know they aren't going to get attention from young girls anymore. So, a strip club is somewhere they can go and get receive the type of attention from the younger girls that they desire.
I visit about 15-20 clubs throughout North America, some more often then others. I have found that if I reach the status of being noticed at a club, I more often then not have a challenge of brushing off the younger dancers as they will sit and talk and interupt my plans. I either have to tell them to "please don't let me interupt your working" or tell them I am just wanting to relax and enjoy the view.Problem is there is a respect among most dancers that once they have "marked" you as theirs the others stay away but within a distance. I would like all dancers to know that just because you see me sit and pay for a dance from one of you co-workers does not mean I am not available to all.I find this to happen with the youngest and newest of dancers more so then the more experienced dancers. As an "older" residence of the hobby, I would rather have a dance and ect with a over 30 MILF then a under 25 newby. This should put me in good graces with the younger hobbiest. Also the next time you see a dancer, setting for an extended time with somebody, just remember it may not be my/his fault and he might thank you if you come to his rescue. :)
A few thoughts after reading all the posts:
@bm re: OP -- why were you so apologetic and defensive in laying out your points? Maybe that attitude was the reason for the posts following that j40 misreads as "defensive."
And @bm -- your example of "young guy in baseball cap" taking away the "love of your life" who barely said goodbye to U has nothing to do with age; it's a perfect example of the SC economy: Money talks; BS walks.
@j40: UR right that SOME guys [both older and young] are looking for dates or someone friendly to talk to. Hey, if a newly divirced guy neeeds this to get back on his feet, I don't begrudge him the time. And yes, SOME older men are "trying to re-live their younger days" and "and acting like they're 20 again." But you take what maybe true of SOME older men and blow it up into a stereotype of all older men. Probably why U got what you misperceive as defensive responses. Not defensive, just reacting to UR denigrating stereotyping.
I agree with LL, jackoff nailed it, especially the response of his 23 y/o OTC. KO!
Second point: Everyone so far has treated older men dating or seeing strippers for OTC as the same as older men dating twentysomething civilian women. I leave it up to the other older men here with OTC experience to talk about 20s strippers.
Young civilian women in their 20s ARE attracted to older men because we're different from the young boys they've dated. If the men are married, these young women with BFs or hubbies will often have affairs to see what they're missing. Older SINGLE men have to work more to seduce young women because without a wife they more easily threaten young women -- are they DOM's, rapists, users or are they discreet, safe and fun.
Twentiessomethings are tired of the career or gamer obsessed BF/SOs whose idea of sex after the initial infatuation period is gimmie a BJ followed by sixty seconds and done or the sexual equivalent of the two minute drill rather than being willing to spend 20 - 40 minutes pleasuring their women first. They want someone who's mature, confident and obviously already successfu; someone they might learn about life from not the release date of the latest tech toy.
I'm not trying to relive my youth; some parts of it were horrible. Except for some age-related medical issues I'm happy with my age and I certainly DON'T want to act like I'm twenty agasin. I'd be embarrassed.
I do want to feel nice soft, firm young flesh, perky tits and tight... These young women haven't fully matured yet and they can be flaky and unreliable. They'll drop U like a rock if a marriageable young guy comes along. But while you have their attention and lavish affection you can enjoy their youthful enthusiasm and joy with life; for the most part they haven't given up on all men yet like the 40s divorcees who hit the bars to play a hard game of Rapo.
Thickasabrick> Totally agree with this statement "I more or less feel it should be the opposite attitude, the middle age and older guys being weirded out by young guys in a strip club. When i was in my 20s and 30s I rarely went to a club and then pretty much only for bachelor parties. When you are that age, you should actually be dating hot young girls - or at least trying to."
I think I will or someone (with better writing skills) should start a thread about "Why are 20 something single guys in a strip club to begin with"
Maybe it's just a line that the girls are giving me, because I'm of that older ilk, but MANY girls have told me that they'd rather spend time with older guys for the many reasons mentioned above. The girls that I know who work days, work days BECAUSE of the older clientel. I'm told that in general, we are more appreciative, show more respect and aren't all "grabby hands." Also, we tend to spend more on them; more than just the dances as we tend to tip more and also buy drinks. Younger guys tend to just get a few dances at a time, but older guys typcially do longer dance sessions. (personally, I will get a minimumm of 6 dances at a time - if there's chemistry, and many times will get 10-ish in a particular session) So, if you were a dancer, who would you prefer to spend that time with?
I am also a "whale", and hog the girl I want to be with for MANY hours, during which time I request that she NOT spend time with other guys in the club. Do I want to "date" the dancer I am with? Of course, why whouldn't I? Is that unrealistic? No! In the case of my ATF, we dated for nearly three years, during which time we talked about marriage, she divorced her husband and I NEARLY divorced, so yes, I'd say it wasn't just wishful thinking, nor was it SS scamming.
So, I s'pose I owe those younger guys an apology for taking a girl off the menu while I'm ITC.
Some old guys are great. Some are assholes. People who have "old guy attitude" (not as described in the post) of the typical "I don't mind if you think I stink" approach to life are very bad to be around, anywhere. But people who have "old guy attitude" (indeed as described in the post) of joie de vivre, nonchalance, and a certain level of experience that makes them seem happy about life, and willing to expend resources in order to gain positive experiences, are people who are very good to be around, anywhere.
Similarly, people who have "young guy attitude" are of several varieties, too. Young guys who think they know everything when they actually know very little, who use bluster and aggression at the expense of sense, and who try to get away cheap at a strip club because to them a $2 entry fee is too high -- these guys are the worst to be around, for many reasons, not the least because they (1) have very little positive to offer, but (2) often fool attractive women (in the 'real' world OR in the strip club) into finding them attractive on the basis of false assumptions: assumptions that, for instance, the aggression and violence are actually dominance and swagger and self-confidence, not the reality of insecurity and stupidity and lack of experience. But then again, as with old guy attitude, there are benefits to the young-guy approach to life too -- for example, joie de vivre, nonchalance, a certain level of inexperience that makes them seem happy about life.
Keep your bodies together, girls; then come back to see me in 15 years or so after life has beat you up some. You will be much more interesting people then and I would be likely to spend some bucks on you in the VIP.
To me it is a very different experience than with a twenty someting hottie. Older is often mature, self-confident and knowleadgeable sexuality. Young is fun and exuberant attitude and lovely firm and toned bodies.
Would you prefer red or white wine? Both please!
That is what I was trying to say above:
"As an "older" residence of the hobby, I would rather have a dance and ect with a over 30 MILF then a under 25 newby"
I have never been wierded out by other guys' ages; frankly I am there to see T&A and could less about the other patrons as long as they mind their own business.
1) It's creepy when I'm getting a lap dance and I look to my left and 2 feet away is a guy old enough to be my grandpa.
2) They seriously hog all the action. I mean, these guys will come in throwing money around like crazy.
3) They are always the "regulars", which is kinda pathetic when you see a young hottie and you're really into her, then you see her pandering to some geezer because he's a "regular".
To the young dudes out there.... its a strip club... its fantasy....NOT Real. If you are going there to get your ego stroked... you seriously need to reevaluate things. Go to the dance club and find a real girl.
Great article -
The old guy has learned that the package is great but the contents are better
ps: I'm 65 and still motivated -
1. the normal old guys who come in just to hang out, tip, buy some dances, buy some beer, and know their limits.
2. the rich old guys who go in and generally stay with the feature dancers.
3. the border line old guys, they generally have a select few dancers who they hang out with the most but they are sometimes creepy to them but they have likable traits.
4.the creepy old men that go in and generally have less $150 and are extremely rude to the girls and most likely had to take penis pills before going in and had to go into the bathroom to take their night pills. (sadly the most common old guy in the club)
put it this way.....if you have grandkids.....you're too old to be going in