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5 years ago
-->"It doesn't help close the deal if I don't want a dance anyway, but all other things equal it might influence me if I had to make a choice between two hot strippers."
Not very common in the no-extras clubs I usually frequent, but when I used to go to extras clubs, I'd say I'm aligned with this. Never ever ever would it make me reconsider a stripper I'm not interested in. But in a target-rich environment? That approach has gotten me to choose that girl, occasionally
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5 years ago
damn doubletap! No idea how that happened. I might suck at interneting
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5 years ago
The guys who experience it all firsthand and report facts -- that's politics. The guy who has no idea whats going on, wants his political fantasy to be true, so invents explanations about why the facts are political and everything that's happening isn't really happening -- that's real. Black is white. Up is down. Team is winning!!!!
Even the notion that my political beliefs lead to this interpretation is a made up fantasy lol
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5 years ago
The guys who experience it all firsthand and report facts -- that's politics. The guy who has no idea whats going on, wants his political fantasy to be true, so invents explanations about why the facts are political and everything that's happening isn't really happening -- that's real. Black is white. Up is down. Team is winning!!!!
Even the notion that my political beliefs lead to this interpretation is a made up fantasy lol
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5 years ago
Gorgeous, probably dushku limit hot for me. So hot I could ignore the tats. Might not be able to ignore the dimple piercings though. Maybe after a few drinks
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
-->"This is the only fashion piece I need at a strip club :"
Son, you're going to need a fatter wallet than that if you're going to make it rain like Team WinningTeam do
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5 years ago
-->"I think it would be interesting to hear all the BS these honeys put up with every day."
Not to mention what they dish out! Yes, would be good entertainment
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5 years ago
You've drastically oversimplified the process. There's also beating them and manipulating them. Pimpin' ain't easy, son
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5 years ago
I agree with all the positives around older girls. But the original question was around younger ones, who definitely have their own charms. And around here, the young stripper tap is still flowing as ever.
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5 years ago
Team Locka! The arch enemies of Team WinningTeam. Bastards!
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5 years ago
Regardless of age, most strippers look at middle-aged up to 60s as a choice market... once you start hitting late 60s and 70s, some of the new&young girls start avoiding, and/or jack up their prices
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5 years ago
SirLap: the pimped (by us -- personally drugged and beaten) low-end girls we deal with, may not represent the women being discussed on tuscl. In the world of Team WinningTeam, all escorts and strippers are pimped, get with it man!
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5 years ago
Ish, it's the "will escorts move into the SCs" that I was wondering about. We were all figuring that with their advertising media shut down by fosta/sesta, that would be one of the possibilities. I haven't seen any evidence of that happening in my local area -- no escorts or bodyrub girls who I might recognize in the clubs, no discussion on the remaining forums. SA is the big shift.
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5 years ago
-->"Also no one seems to be taking into consideration fosta/sesta. That seems to be one reason that escorts will go back to SCs, assuming that they started out as strippers."
Dirk, that's what we all presumed would happen. It's been a while now, has anyone seen it actually happen? It's a little harder to get g2 now, because fosta/sesta also brought down many -- but not all -- of the discussion forums. To the extent I'd be able to tell, I haven't noticed any influx of escorts back into the SC (which, as I've been saying, would be a last resort for any escort who'd moved to escorting to "escape" the SC culture in the first place -- very rare they're willing to go back. Double that in CA where the overall trend is out of the SCs in general). On the forums that are left, including a private invite-only forum, absolutely no escorts or bodyrub girls moved back to striping. Where people have noticed it is on SA; on SA forums, both SDs and SBs have noticed a big influx in escorts and johns since fosta/sesta and it's been a common topic of discussion. Has anyone else noticed anything different?
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5 years ago
-->" A lot of experienced women left complaining about new laws and huge club cuts of 60%"
The effect of the employee status has been uniformly disastrous, tons of girls leaving the clubs (or at least the CA clubs) although I would have thought that if any SF club was immune to it, it would be GC. I actually haven't been there in months so haven't seen it first hand
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5 years ago
SF has a general degradation in quality and shift sizes, but not sure I'm seeing the ages trending upwards.
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
or managing (you know how Team WinningTeam do)
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5 years ago
If we go back to my theory -- it's Dougster doing what he's always done, sewing chaos without bothering to be logical or factual -- it's a perfect fit. Even his argument style gets Dougstery sometimes. He doesn't care how many times he's humiliated, shown to be inconsistent, etc. If threads are going off course, and we basically can't have an interesting civil conversation about pretty much anything, he thinks he's won. I mean, when he picked SF and LV as his favorite places to SC, that was totally consistent with "just say the opposite of what everyone else says"
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5 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
This is thread hall of fame material, people.
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5 years ago
joc, in retrospect I've turned nearly all my ATFs into SBs, although I didn't use that term or think of it that way until I started going on SA and realized... hey, that's what it is. I've found the same as you, pretty good luck turning strippers -- and not always middle of the pack -- into semi-reliable SBs. And found that they'll often take less than what they'd make at a good shift at the club, and I've always given credit to the more unpleasant conditions at the club for that.
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5 years ago
Super rare for a stripper to buy me a drink... hell, whether ITC or OTC, they never reach into their own pockets. I did have a fave for a while who would sometimes buy a round OTC, but never ITC.
Like rick, I've had managers and bartenders do a round on them.
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5 years ago
She's attractive and sexy from the front. Harder to tell due to black shorts, but maybe flat-assed from the back? She looks like she may be flat whenever she stands up straight rather than arches and sticks it out
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5 years ago
Sure, there's plenty of strippers and escorts who aren't happy. But that wasn't the point -- the point was, your experience with lower end strippers having no choice but to move to low-end escorts is different than strippers who do well in the SC, but choose to switch to escorting (at a higher level) out of choice to move from the more-toxic SC environment to mid-range escorting. The article is an accurate picture of the latter group. It's not a vacation anywhere in the sex industry, but the horrific conditions of lower end girls does change
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5 years ago
It sounds like you've known lower-end, drug addicted strippers who were forced out -- which is believable that that's one reason for leaving, though those girls will typically move to being lower-end escorts as well. Those aren't the girls I'm talking about, since i have no real firsthand experience with those types. The flow out of the SCs into escorting/bodyrubs isn't limited to those girls by any stretch; many of the hotter escorts and bodyrub girls were strippers at one time, still attractive enough to be strippers but chose this instead to escape the SC, because the environment wasn't working for them. Again, the reasons reported in that article are pretty much repeated by everyone -- everyone, perhaps, except the less attractive drug-addicted types who have a whole separate set of reasons
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5 years ago
Sure. Which doubly makes the point that, for some women, the SC is so toxic that they'll switch to a model that is illegal -- for many of the reasons outlined in the article. It's such a issue for some women, that the flow in the industry is nearly totally stripper->escort, and even when an escort wants to back off, she's far more likely to move to being a bodyrub girl rather than back to stripping (if she's attractive enough). The other benefits are worth the legal risk and, frankly, greater physical risks -- at least for her.