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4 years ago
Paul is the only one I've ever heard of who has had success on Secret Benefits. If you go that route, you'd better interrogate him for his secret methodology.
SA is the no-brainer winner. If they've given you the boot treatment, you might need to do a full overhaul. New browser, pictures, credit card with different name, different profile text, and change your IP address if possible
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4 years ago
****" Now that covid has shut things down their IGs are constantly about hawking their onlyfans sites"
That's definitely been a mini-tragedy. I follow a lot of smokin' hot girls -- mostly strippers and bikini baristas, two groups that seem to cross-pollinate often -- on IG. Pre-covid, their IGs were just full of ultra sexy pics & vids. Now, a few meh teaser pics and vids, and hawking OF.
While I'm not at all interested in OF, I also understand the girls have to make a living. Stripping and OF are both jobs for hustlers, so it's a natural transition.
The one good thing about strippers being on OF? If you don't have your fave's phone # and can't contact her, why not troll through OF to see if she's there? Might cost you $5 or $10 to subscribe for a month, and from there you can contact her directly to get her number and arrange for OTC if she's game. If I had a CF who I couldn't reach, $5 seems very little to risk in order to potentially reap the rewards of OTC
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4 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
I will never understand why guys delete stripper numbers from their phone. It's not like Boost Mobile is charging you guys based on how many contacts you have.
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4 years ago
"there's usually a good reason that a business succeeds and usually it's by figuring out what the customer wants and providing the service."
25, I think the caution here is: a business succeeds when it pitches to the most people... but there can again be a huge difference for aficionados. No coffee aficionado drinks Maxwell House or goes to Starbucks -- these are low quality products that focus on other things besides what a coffee aficionado likes. There are many cities with PLs don't go to what is the highest-gross SC. In SF, Gold Club was the highest grossing club for years, there was literally zero discussion about in on PL forums, other htan to occasionally express disdain.
That is consistent though, with your average guy prizing the top 1% girls, and whatever the equivalent of an OF-PL avoiding them and seeking out a different and better experience with a girl who isn't dividing her time among 10000 followers
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4 years ago
Paul: ." I assumed guys would see it the opposite way. Someone who is ranked really high on the site doesn't have to put in time and effort for any one individual customer. I would be more interested in subscribing to someone who is ranked lower versus higher."
Here I suspect you're thinking like a PL again. Many PLs love dayshift, specifically because it's slower, fewer customers, the girls work harder, more extras allowed. The fact that there's a sacrifice in quality doesn't matter to us, we're looking for bang-for-the-buck and the highest contact possible. Normal guys like nightshift, hottest girls possible, party atmosphere.
I feel like it's the same thing with OF. I'm pretty sure most guys are thinking there's something hot going on over there, she's top 1%. PL-thinking is exactly what you outlined -- meh, she's hot enough, I like it that she's not top 1%, more attention for me and better content.
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4 years ago
Oh right, high tactics is freestyling! Although it still might make sense to pick up guy hobbies you'd think. Maybe Ho Tactics second edition :) Or maybe it's a different source
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4 years ago
@subraman - Your comment about coaching each other to fake interest in sports or other hobbies is interesting. I am assuming that was onlyfans girls not traditional IRL sex workers?
Paul, I've specifically seen this in the context of onlyfans girls. But I THINK this might have been popularized by some general "female game" book. Maybe Ho Tactics?
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4 years ago
Yep. PLs have a completely different experience they're seeking. I imagine that's the case of all customers/clients of sexworkers. I just can't see anyone who is going to AMPs, escorts, bodyrub girls, etc., being satisfied with sex work as social media interactions.
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4 years ago
nicespice: "Also is ~girls who are into at least ONE thing that is viewed as ‘male’ or ‘geeky’ ~ really all that uncommon? I suspect the numbers are more common than one would think..."
Maybe. But I see this actively coached on sex worker sites, including recommendations of what type of hobbies to pretend to like. The girls are actively doing research so that they can be convincing when they claim to love college basketball or whatever
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4 years ago
PS Just watched the video, very insightful! He even mentioned the "dickrates". I knew the social aspect of OF was interesting to some, but hadn't recognized the magnitude.
It also makes it clearer why PLs, johns, SDs, etc. have no interest and don't get it. It's a completely different psychology
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4 years ago
My one observation about onlyfans: when covid started, I saw girls -- mostly strippers and bikini baristas -- pouring into onlyfans. In like March and April, they were charging $20-$40 per month, and sometimes running discounts to $10-$20 per month. Content was PG-13, R, light NC-17.
The situation today:, far more often to see those same incredibly gorgeous girls charging $10/month, and running specials for less. Content is more often R all the way to hardcore X including sex videos, toy shows, etc. Customers have organized in places, and swap info on whose OF is good or bad, which keeps pressure high on X-rated content. Meanwhile, OF has been absolutely swarmed by bottom-shelf sexworkers, who offer even lower prices, and are doing things like offering "dick rates", etc.
In short, higher prices and more sensual content -- maybe the internet equivalent to a mid- or high-end no extras SC -- in March. Today, even really beautiful women who show "top 5% of creators" type messages from OF, are offering pretty low prices and more x-rated content.
Anyway, just what I've managed to glean by looking at social media, ads for OF, and reading some of the review sites
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4 years ago
RTP: "Paul, I think the real thing that makes onlyfans successful is that PL's say that they hate it and won't use it, but actually are. No other way it could succeed."
My quibble here is that WE are PLs: hardcore sex industry addicts who are often many years experienced, know how to work the industry and not be manipulated by sex workers, and enjoy it so much we post on an internet forum about it. I doubt many -- or any -- PLs are subscribing to only fans. We genuinely don't get it.
If by "PL" you just literally mean guys who are pathetic losers -- "simps" in millennial and zoomer terms -- then that's absolutely true. Obviously there's guys subscribing to this.
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4 years ago
Oddly enough, I've been having a decent time of it lately. As always, some amount of ghosting etc., but overall, more target-rich than it was a year ago, and waaaay better than it was 6 months ago. If I were doing the pistola agenda, I'd have plenty of girls to bang. But I'm looking for a new SB, and have a couple of great candidates
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4 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
"same with me" was for Eve -- working fine for me
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4 years ago
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Papi_ChuloMiami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Same with me, on android. I press and hold, the standard menu pops up on top (copy, search, select all, share) and the blue pointers that let me drag to expand the highlighted area show up, and all works fine.
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4 years ago
Earlier rise, but you 3:30ers and 4:00ers still have me beat.
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4 years ago
That plaque still up about not asking the girls if they want to be on a winning team? cuz, y'know, I need some new hoes for my team
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4 years ago
"^ Good idea. Some of these bitches are business women who don't have time for walk-ins/drive-bys. Pick up a business card and schedule a date, time, and requested service through her hotline."
I send her a dick pic with something like "4:00?" written on it, but same kind of idea
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4 years ago
"a quick SC visit after work and the bitch you want is being consumed by some overweight dope boy"
Why not make an appointment with her, she'll probably direct you to a time her whale isn't there. I'm not particularly interested in competing with a whale either, especially one who is her regular.
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4 years ago
Snapchat & Instagram: main way I keep in touch with my stripper hoes and sugar baby hoes, not to mention keep an eye on which sick kix will keep my fit drippin
LinkedIn: Because also, I'm an adult with a job
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4 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
bboys with nice white sneakers can't be racist
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4 years ago
It depends. What kind of sneakers is the wannabe pimp wearing, what pimp documentary did he watch in order to learn how to speak like a pimp, who is his favorite bboy, if he could be any toy what would he pick?
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4 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
Also, who is your favorite b-boy, what's your favorite candy bar, and have you tried the Travis Scott burger?
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4 years ago
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IceyI put your ATF on a winning team
Also, what kind of sneakers do you like your customers to wear, and what is your favorite Hot Wheels car?
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4 years ago
"most of us at one time we're icehead's age. we thought we knew everything. we did stupid shit. we said stupid shit."
Rat, I don't think anyone should assume they know icey's age. The one thing we can know for sure is the persona is made up, specifically as a troll. His cringey, uncanny-valley impersonation of a young street guy is SO cringey that it almost gets me embarrassed. Certainly the lack of ability to come off genuine, plus the typical "what do young guys like" threads about things like sneakers, could easily all be pulled off by a long-time troll. In fact ,in some ways, it's HARDER for a young guy to pull off a slightly-off uncanny valley caricature of a young guy, than it is for someone older