Comments by goodguy

Thank you Longball300!!!

Papi I've been a regular for the last 2+ years. It really depends on the dancer - at least that I've found (IME). I think you're right that during the day if a dancer wants to stay a little longer than 3 songs the club doesn't really hassle them. However, I've had a couple of dancers suggest that we do 6 songs for $450. I don't blame them, as some customers can easily afford that. I've had one dancer who did not worry about the three dance limit. However, one of my favorite dancers is much more reticent about staying too long. I've found that if you listen to the songs and head into the VIP room just as a song starts and get started during that first song and take your time getting out of the room after three more songs, you can actually get 5 songs, instead of three. I'm primarily a day customer. It may be different in the evening when the club is full and there is a line to get into the VIPS rooms.

Thanks Sal69, rl27!! I've been coming to FC for many years and have read lots of reviews. Why state the obvious. I would suggest the guys who complained above have not read the other reviews, are not really club goers, or trolls who are just playing.

jackslash is spot on with his advice and recommendations on the clubs in my experience. I also agree with his cute note on extras - Dancers mostly have a wide open menu, but a few will have more limited menus.

The Detroit area clubs usually have a smaller number of customers and dancers on Sunday. However, that does not mean that you can not find an attractive dancer who is willing to negotiate for a very reasonable extras VIP dance. You will find that Friday is typically the best day with the most high quality dancers. Thursday will probably provide you the next best opportunity to find high quality dancers. Saturday can be hit or miss - sometimes I've had excellent fun with very attractive dancers at reasonable prices. Note that there is definitely a different atmosphere between the day shifts and the later evening shifts (shift change is at 7:00 P.M.) I often will stay through shift change, but by 9:00 P.M. I'm usually on my way. But that's just my preference and have found that the afternoon early evening is the best for me. Sunday is very much hit or miss in my experience. I would spend the most time in the clubs on Thursday and Friday, see how Saturday late afternoon and early evening is going, and then, if you have the energy and funds left, check out Sunday.

To ensure that you have the most enjoyable experience, I suggest that you find a club that has large private VIP rooms for you and your boy friend to get a VIP dance. That way you can be more relaxed and have more private fun. It may cost a little more, but it should be far more fun.

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I have had a few dancers I would consider as ATFs. I agree with SirLapdancealot that a true ATF must be the total package: 9+ sexual chemistry, 9+ looks, 9+ personality, 9+ service, but for me also 9 intelligence or at least intelligent and rational communication is also a must. Now, don’t get me wrong if there is a 9-10 who is to my taste, intelligence and personality are not high on my list. As long as looks and 9+ service are good, I’m in, but this one will not become an ATF. I can see eyeofodin’s point of view, but I have found in my experience that with the right approach and attitude during an ATF relationship, it can be a very enjoyable and a continuously satisfying experience. But as eyeofodin clearly states it’s not for everyone. I do not believe there is a right or wrong approach to having or not having an ATF, but just what is each PLs preference. And what works best for each individual. For a dancer at one of my go to clubs to be an ATF all five of the above must align. I know from experience that finding a true ATF does not occur that often, at least for me. As I have said, I have had two or three over the past several years. However, when I do find one that becomes an ATF, my enjoyment and satisfaction are maximized, and the cost is often reduced over the long-run. I currently have an ATF a club I frequent in FL. It has been a very nice relationship. It has been almost a year since we got acquainted. However, I do find that it seems like I do not like to have these last for a long as time as some have referenced on here, but who knows. I have found that is takes time for me to find a regular dancer who may become an ATF. However, I am willing to invest the time to find that one dancer who may become an ATF. It may take several visits over many weeks to find one, but perseverance pays off. All this, of course, is IMHO, as I clearly respect others views on this subject.

Stan, As a long-time frequenter of the clubs in the Detroit area, I agree with the list s275 provided. However, I have not had great experiences at Subi's, Bogarts, or Henry VIII and have not been to them in several years. I would defer to s275 pm them. I would focus my visit first at the Flight Club and Landing Strip and then if they are not that great then I would check out Criket and maybe BT's. IMHO

PhatBoy702, I agree with most of the advice that you've been given from others. Having gone down a similar path that you have once with a very young (20 yr. old dance) dancer, I can assure you from experience that you must, as hard as it is, pull back and not come across as though you are chasing her too much. I too have gone over the line once with a dancer and had a great time for a while, but it took me a while (too long) to admit that our relationship want not ever going to the next step. Since you are in a SD-SB relationship with her, you must be careful not to believe that you are probably never going to have anything more then that. She may find you more of interest than other customers in the club and have some real feelings for you, which may be unique for her too. But you must be realistic and use common sense going forward or you will chase her away for good. I would recommend you do not contact her via text or go to the club to see her right now. I would not go to the club to see her this coming weekend, if you can. There is something going on with her, which has caused her to ghost you. You know she has seen your texts and has consciously decided not to reply to them. It could have something to do with her visiting her family visit - it's odd that this started right after that (unless something happened between the two of your right before she left). I would try to wait 21+ days to give yourself some time to get over her and then go to the club to see if she is still there. There is a slim chance that she may not be working there any more, but I doubt it. Many dancers try to get out of the strip club life for a while. The problem is they can't make the some amount of money outside the club - and most often return. Even if she is not there when you go and you find out that she has quit, she may be back in the future. I would also find another club to go to and meet other dancers. Who knows, maybe you will immediately meet someone else who will help ease what you're going through right now. I know it's not easy, but you will get through this and be in a much better place in the near future.

I was referring to VIP dances with extras - not just dances. This occurred over 20+ visits to the club.

I've never been to Dean's Gold and cannot comment. As a regular at DD's, I can verify that it is a great club for you if you are interested in extras in the VIP area. Almost all the women are very attractive, (mostly 7+s and above) and almost all have a very full menu (CBJ &CFS) VIP dances. The cost for most dancers is $125 and $225 respectively. This is for three songs. The dancers have to pay the house $25 for the three song set. So, they are very cognizant of the three song limit or they will have to pay more. This at times may feel rushed for some customers who are accustomed to more of an unlimited time in the VIP areas for a negotiated price with the dancer. Also, be aware that many of the dancers have recently immigrated from Cuba or other Latin American countries and speak limited English. Basically, the dancers work the floor like this: the dancers walk around, greet customers, ask them if they want a floor dance ($10 per dance), and move on to someone else if the customer declines. If the customer agrees to a floor dance, the dancer will do the dance and linger a little while longer to ascertain if the customer is an option for a VIP dance. This is where you may be able to have a short conversation, if the dancer can communicate effectively in English and the customer does not know Spanish. Many of the dancers are very nice and will not be rude if you say no. If you are looking for a GFE experience, DD's is not the club for you. On some days a customer who is a regular and knows the dancer(s) with whom they like to get VIP dances he can be in and out of the club in 30 minutes.

This is a very interesting discussion with a lot of insightful comments. I sympathize with those PLs who have fallen into the trap of getting too emotionally attached to one dancer. I do understand that it can happen, as it almost did for me. Fortunately, I figured out early enough that what I was envisioning in a perceived relationship with a dancer was just not ever going to be a reality. As others have already said, “remember this is a fantasy”. As a middle-aged widower, I find that SC dancers, who we connect with physically, emotionally, and even intellectually (rare as that is), are the ones who we could be most susceptible to envision more in a SC customer-dancer relationship than it is. I totally agree that we will never find a true GFE relationship with any SC dancer. I have found that I like to find a dancer who I can see often. Since I engage in VIP extras, I find that for a while having a regular dancer who I get to know increases the enjoyment and satisfaction. It is hard at times for me to not go over the line of foolishly thinking this dancer really likes me and enjoys seeing me, because as soon as I walk into the club she comes over to see me. But I must keep myself realizing that when she sees me, her eyes light up because she sees dollar signs and a sure thing. I'm not a customer who is a waste of time. I have found that when I see a dancer regularly for a while, like I have a couple of times, that I need to take a break, step back, not get dances from her for a while, as hard as that might be. I don't want to upset her too much so that I can't get a dancer from her once if a while. What I’ve done is to challenge myself to find a more attractive and interesting dancer – sort of an upgrade. Kind of like what the wealthy aged successful guys who fire the old childhood sweetheart wife or a new young trophy wife. I find it challenging to see if I have the capability to entice another dancer to become a regular dancer who performs in club and VIP in such a way that it totally meets my needs. I firmly believe that if I treat the dancers with the utmost respect for what they do, knowing that they did not start out with this as a vocation objective, be nice to them, find the good ones (weed out the ROBs) and keep it real, I can handle getting through the obvious danger and temptation to dream that I can have a civi relationship with a SC dancer. I join others on here, who warn all that there is danger here – beware, be cautious, and don’t go down a path that you will regret emotionally and financially.

Flight Club is the nicest, has the higher quality dancers, and will provide you a good time.

I agree PHC is the place to go. You should find a very attractive young lady (there's usually plenty to chose from to meet your desire), who will be very willing and ready to go to the VIP area. FS is typically around $300 +/-, depending on the dancer. It's best to get a clear understanding of the tip and what you expect, prior to going to the VIP. Enjoy!!

I agree PHC is the place to go. You should find a very attractive young lady (there's usually plenty to chose from to meet your desire), who will be very willing and ready to go to the VIP area. FS is typically around $300 +/-, depending on the dancer. It's best to get a clear understanding of the tip and what you expect, prior to going to the VIP. Enjoy!!

I agree PHC is the place to go. You should find a very attractive young lady (there's usually plenty to chose from to meet your desire), who will be very willing and ready to go to the VIP area. FS is typically around $300 +/-, depending on the dancer. It's best to get a clear understanding of the tip and what you expect, prior to going to the VIP. Enjoy!!

Normal prices are $10 for a floor dance, $150 CBJ, $225 CFS. If there are not a lot of customers and it's nearing shift change you can get a deal. The downside to DDs is the three (3) song VIP time limit.

IMHO Soulay (agree ? spelling) and Naomi are both fun in the VIP

As usual, Papi_Chulo is spot on correct IMHO - and thanks for the reviews. Parking is $5.00 if you park in front of the club along Copans. If you park on the side, it's only $2.00. The dancers prices are $150 CBJ and $225 CFS price. Every so often you can get them to drop lower - $125 to $200. this will depend on how busy they are, how much they made so far that day, and how busy the club is. I've found later in the day before shift change if it's not full of customers or the customers are not getting VIP dances, you may find the dancers more willing to negotiate a lower price. It's true that many of the dancers have had breast implants. Once in a while you can find a natural and not enhanced dancer. What's nice about DDs is that there are always new dancers showing up. However, it's not a place where you will get a long time regular - ATF as this is not that type of club - again IMHO. WARNING: There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy or Christy or however they spell it.

Based on my many visits to this great decadent club, the dancers prices are $150 CBJ and $225 CFS price. Occasionally, you can get them to drop a little - $125 to $200, but it will depend on how busy the club is, how much they made so far that shift, and how many customers they have to choose from. I've found later in the day before shift change and it's not to full of customers or the customers are not getting VIP dances, you may find the dancers more willing to negotiate a lower price. Most of the dancers have had breast implants. Once in a while you can find a natural and not enhanced dancer. What's nice about DDs is that there are always new dancers showing up. This is good and bad, as I have had a few more attractive dancers that I enjoyed meeting and getting VIP dances with moved on. WARNING: There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy or Christy or however they spell it.

I have found that most of the dancers prices are $150 CBJ and $225 CFS price. Once in a while you can get them to drop a little - $125 to $200, but it will depend on how crowded - how many customers they have to choose from. Sometimes later in the day before shift change if it's not crowded or the customers are not getting VIP dances, you may find the dancers more willing to negotiate a lower price. Occasionally, you can find a natural and not enhanced dancer. What's nice about DDs is that there are always new dancers showing up. This is good and bad, as I have had a few more attractive dancers that I enjoyed meeting and getting VIP dances with moved on. WARNING: There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy or Christy or however they spell it.

I have found that most of the dancers try to hold firm with the $150 and $225 overall price. Once in a while you can get them to drop a little - $125 to $200, but it will depend on how crowded - how many customers they have to choose from. Sometimes later in the day before shift change if it's not crowded or the customers are not getting VIP dances, you may find the dancers more willing to negotiate a lower price. Yes, there have been consistently very attractive Latina dancers at the club over my visits. It seems that there are always new dancers showing up. However, I have had a few more attractive dancers that I enjoyed meeting and VIP dances with have moved on and are no longer dancing. WARNING: There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy or Christy or however they spell it.

There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy or Christy -however they spell it.

There are numerous very good dancers who provide great experiences in VIP. However, I suggest you avoid Diamond Dolls Robot Kristy.