ATF

There was a time when I thought my ATF was such because of the sexual stuff alone. I now realize there was always more, from the very beginning, and that “more” gradually became the reason that she’s my ATF, and so much more, to this day.

I don't have an ATF anything, and don't 'get it' with this ATF and CF thing.

^ Agreed. An ATF is the total package. 9+ sexual chemistry, 9+ looks, 9+ personality, 9+ service.

^ Agreed @georgmicrodong

LOL @londonguy I think because you go to FKKs and such, you get to be with so many hotties that they are all ATFs to the point it is meaningless. Just a thought...

I'm with londonguy.....I just don't get the ATF/CF thing.

My time with my ATF on this site is legendary. Before I met her I travelled a lot and used escort services in every city I visited. Most were attractive, many were very accommodating, and the sex was frequent and varied. I had a few repeat escorts but most were one shot wonders.
Then I met my all time favorite dancer at a club about 30 miles from my home.
I hadn't realized how impersonal sex with escorts had become. Once this dancer and I hooked up it was like a whole new wonderland. She physically is and has been a 9+ in my book. But we also have fun. She understands my wants and wishes (which are sometimes a little bit unusual). I understand her motivations and I usually can anticipate her needs. One night about 5 years ago we snuggled in bed after sex and she said, "Damn. I wish you were 30 years younger". Alas I am exactly 40 years her senior.
To answer the question: Initially there was great sexual chemistry, however the personal relationship which developed only made it better. She now lives with me and we've had a relationship for almost nine years.
But she needs to have a fresh start in life from several perspectives so we're planning her move out of state and discussing whether it makes sense to maintain contact.

@londonguy and eyeofodin if you ever saw a stripper more than once she could be considered a CF. If you ever look back on a stripper that rocked your world better than any other to date and was hot as fuck she could be considered an ATF.

She doesnt have to b hot.as fuck to.be atf.if she is all time favorite she could be merely be so be being just pretty as opposed to.hot as fuck and have mad chemistry with him. Lol

ALL....time favorite........I'm not done yet.....so as of now it is still up for debate.

@SirLapdancealot: While I would rate my ATF AT *least* 9+ in all of those areas, most of you here would probably rate her about a 7 or 8 physically, and some would rate her even lower.

Her looks no longer make any difference at all. It’s *all* about the personality and chemistry now.

@Nicole
Will you give me a BBBJCIM?

@georgmicrodong Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The only definition of ATF that matters is your own. And now that I have 9+ checked off in all categories with my ATF DS I need the total package to consider a stripper as ATF.

For example several years ago I had a CF that was a true 10 if I ever saw one. Hottest as fuck stripper ever and I have seen many. But she suffered from GPS so much her service to value was about an 8 max. Also her personality was a 7 max. Our sexual chemistry was 9+ mainly because she was so damn hot. But because she didn't check 9+ on all categories I never called her an ATF.

Also right now I have a backup CF (to my ATF DS) that gives me 10 service and is a 10 personality but she is an 8+ in looks which again keeps her just out of ATF status.

To me I can't decouple looks/body and sexual chemistry. And LMAO I should hope all other PLs in the club consider my ATF at best a 7 and other strippers 8+. LOL more for me!

^ douchebag

^ LMAO so says the duke of douchery.

^ douchebaggery

I agree @sirdance

@Sirlapdancealot: For me, sexual chemistry is less about her looks, and more about how she thinks about sex. She’s not afraid or ashamed to enjoy sex, and she’s willing to do damned near anything that either of us want, at least once.

I’ve met a few girls who are physically hotter than her, but none yet match her sheer exuberant joy in sex.

LOL

SirLapdancealot --- there are dancers I like as people, some I find sexy, some not worth thinking about. Some I will chat with when it's slow and while I enjoy the conversation they know they are not my type physically and I will not get dances but I'm good for a drink and pleasant conversation. Others I get dances from because I enjoy the body, face or physical contact in the moment and at time might even enjoy their personalities..

Since most of the dancers that know me more than just in passing, know I worked in the bar/disco/strip club scene years ago their approach to me is different than the average PL. I don't go to a SC to get laid or pay for sex, it's a diversion and at times a cheap form of therapy. The average woman in her sexual prime is more fun in bed than a 20 yo stripper IMO. No matter how crappy a day or week I've had a work, there is always a sob story at a SC to reinforce the fact that I have had a pretty damn good life.

" If you ever look back on a stripper that rocked your world better than any other to date and was hot as fuck she could be considered an ATF." a true PL statement. I have no emotional involvement and neither do they so the CF/ATF seems like unicorns and rainbows to me. I don't believe in mixing fantasy and reality. If all it takes is a pussy like Sunshine's (name that movie) to rock ones world, ones world is a small place to live.

I hope you find this reply as condescending as I found yours

^ Damn, you wrote a lot to say nothing.

Fucking loser.

Coming for you flagooner, I consider that a compliment.

@eyeofodin if I was condescending to you I apologize. My reply was simply another way of looking at it. In a way that you might relate.

To me from your response it seems you look down on having an ATF because you assume there has to be some emotional involvement and it seems you thought that is what I meant by 'rocked your world'. To clarify, I didn't mean that at all. It simply meant a stripper provided you with whatever service or therapy or entertainment that you desire better than any other stripper in the past. And if you went back to her in concept it is really no different than a guy with a fave going back to his because her service (whatever the PL defines it to be) to both of you is/was better than any other recent strippers. It was so good you went back for more. That's all a fave really is to me. A stripper that a PL sees more often than others. The reasons why are individually defined.

Also I never mix fantasy and reality either. Going to a strip club is an enjoying escape from reality to me.

Again if any of this was condescending I apologize. Simple discussion with a PL that may have a different perspective than mine is my only intent.

I don't look down on it, I just don't see the point of it personally,

To each their own.

@eyeofodin FWIW getting my "world rocked" by a stripper enough to be a fave would entail the following:

- she's an all natural 8+
- before we get dances she is a total slut and tease as we sit at a table or the bar enough to give me a constant boner from her teasing and stroking it anywhere from 30 min to an hour
- when we go get dances she is a continuation of the ultimate slut and offers high mileage and intentionally wants me to LDK in 2-4 songs
- as I LDK she senses it and does things like rub my nuts in the process or stick shifts me OTP in order to make the LDK as enjoyable as possible
- after I am done LDKing and the song is not over she continues to stimulate my LDKed dick and balls and the whole time still acting like the ultimate slut

This is my definition of being provided a 9+ service fantasy for a couple not hours. Emotions need not be involved. But that's just me.

^ "for a couple of hours"

There's an Asian dancer in a Phoenix club who drives me wild. Always fun, always happy, beautiful slim body, big enhanced tits, perfect ass, no kids, slim waist, rubs me just the right way every time. Amazing pull for me.

Yep, I'm hooked!

@WetWilly LOL I once had a short term Asian fave exactly as you described during a business trip to Phoenix one time. I went into the old Christie's and found her after sampling about three others. She gave me an awesome grind and paid constant attention to my dick during table dances and enough for me to LDK. Smoking hot hardbody and super friendly too. I had such a good time with her the first night there I went back to see her again the next two nights. LOL I skipped my whole plan to go to a different club each night.

I’ve been atf free for over 14 years. It has its benefits and detriments. Overall, I’m happy to be free of any stripper obligations.

An ATF has more than sexual chemistry. She must be beautiful and sexy but also fun to be with and an interesting person. An ATF is allowed to be bat-shit crazy.

An ATF only has to hold the distinction of being your favorite of all the strippers you have ever experienced.

Everyone has one though many don't refer to her as such and many might not even remember her. This is likely among the variety seekers of which I am pretty sure Papi is one.

Absolutely on my end, however, it was the size of my wallet to them...

I have had a few dancers I would consider as ATFs. I agree with SirLapdancealot that a true ATF must be the total package: 9+ sexual chemistry, 9+ looks, 9+ personality, 9+ service, but for me also 9 intelligence or at least intelligent and rational communication is also a must. Now, don’t get me wrong if there is a 9-10 who is to my taste, intelligence and personality are not high on my list. As long as looks and 9+ service are good, I’m in, but this one will not become an ATF. I can see eyeofodin’s point of view, but I have found in my experience that with the right approach and attitude during an ATF relationship, it can be a very enjoyable and a continuously satisfying experience. But as eyeofodin clearly states it’s not for everyone.
I do not believe there is a right or wrong approach to having or not having an ATF, but just what is each PLs preference. And what works best for each individual.
For a dancer at one of my go to clubs to be an ATF all five of the above must align. I know from experience that finding a true ATF does not occur that often, at least for me. As I have said, I have had two or three over the past several years. However, when I do find one that becomes an ATF, my enjoyment and satisfaction are maximized, and the cost is often reduced over the long-run.
I currently have an ATF a club I frequent in FL. It has been a very nice relationship. It has been almost a year since we got acquainted. However, I do find that it seems like I do not like to have these last for a long as time as some have referenced on here, but who knows.
I have found that is takes time for me to find a regular dancer who may become an ATF. However, I am willing to invest the time to find that one dancer who may become an ATF. It may take several visits over many weeks to find one, but perseverance pays off. All this, of course, is IMHO, as I clearly respect others views on this subject.

Price *can* play a factor too but I don't see it as make or break unless she charges ridiculously high over market value. My ATF DS has not once considered charging me anymore than $25 per dance even though she has been charging new customers $30 for over a year. Also my backup CF charges me $25 even though at her club the house rate is $40. She also said she wouldn't change my rate either. Because of this, I continue to see both of them regularly.

Listen up and think about this like a business person, I don’t see why you can’t have multiple ATFs, just like I have multiple vendors for different aspects of my business, I also have a few ATFs that are my favorites for different reasons. I might go into one club because I like a certain girl, but there are other clubs that I go to, because I like another. Just like many strippers have certain guys that they prefer and hang out with, I have several that I do the same.
Before you tell me I’m confusing ATFs with CFs, I am not I also have a few CFs as well.

Just think about what ATF stands for. By definition you can't have more than one. There is no minimum rating for looks, personality, etc...

Imagine a guy goes to a SC for the first time and that club is a dive. One of those dancers would be his favorite. It is likely she is no better than a 7. The next time he goes to a club, his favorite from that night will either take over the title or the original will keep it.

It's like a sport in which there is a defending champion until getting dethroned.

^your last statement about the champion being dethroned makes sense, but remember there is a MVP and not always on the championship team, plus there are top dogs in multiple categories.

^ That's why I didn't say boxing, LOL

IBF, WBA, WBC...

Stop patronizing me with circular arguments @flagooner ;)