Comments by Papi_Chulo (page 43)

w.r.t. Murray being an ahole – a lot of people that are successful seem to have an ego (perhaps if they didn’t have that ego they would have not made it?); whether it’s movie-stars; business people; politicians; etc – also, back in the day it was probably much more common/easier to be an ahole and it not be known since there was a lot less media-coverage back-then and no-social-media; and the few large media-outlets probably often covered for celebrities; etc

It’s hard for comedians to always be funny or for all their jokes to land – also hard to make good movies – it seems over the last 20 years or so movies have gotten shittier and seems Hollywood is mainly-looking to make a fast-buck by overly-focusing on profits vs quality (as Will Smith once said ‘Hollywood currently only makes movie$ for teenagers and China”) – seems Hollywood just sticks a popular comedian in a movie and think/hope it’ll do well ($$$) based on the name-recognition and as a result there seem to be IMO a lot of shitty-movies w/ popular comedians in it where the movie may have a couple of funny-scenes but it’s overall meh to shitty; not to mention it’s hard for comedians to always be funny whether than means that every-joke-lands or that they remain funny over-the-years.

I'm kinda neutral on his comedy - I wouldn't watch a movie just bc he was in it unless I heard it was good/funny - but I don't find him completely unfunny. The 80s in when I watched movies the most which is when I was in my teens (started watching less and less after that and I've barely watched any movies in the last few years). I thought Stripes was a classic - I was 11 when it came out and I remember seeing it in the theater with my older-brother who was 14 and his friend - I was in awe of the shower-scene near the beginning of the movie - wow.

Strip club$ are often a fast-money-burn and probably as discretionary as it gets when it comes to spending - inflation has probably squeezed many people's discretionary spending, plus there may be some fear of what's to come w.r.t. the economy so some people may be holding back. I live-alone and don't cook so I eat out a lot mostly out of convenience - I did notice a slowdown this year in many of the places I eat although it seems to have picked-up a bit as of late - I think the clubs will be affected the most if there is a recession and people start losing jobs (this may also scare people who still have a job). Covid probably took a # of people out of the SC game both custies and dancers (lost interest/habit etc) - the more popular clubs seem to be doing well but some of the smaller clibs seem to have had a harder time getting back ti pre-Covid levels (although my info is a bit dated since I haven't clubbed in 2022 - but I still peruse the daily-reviews and a good # of clubs are not getting as many reviews as pre-Covid). Post-pandemic it seems prices have gone up in certain clubs which may be keeping some PLs home. The economy has been going sideways for a while and so the SC scene overall IMO - and if there's a bigger downturn in the economy the clubs overall will likely follow suit.

Plenty of AA-dancers have this complaint/issue; especially if they are on the thicker-side and/or darker-skinned (but mostly the former) – thick dancers in general often have a harder-time getting-hired and being AA on top unfortunately often adds to the issue – this is usually more-so in the better/nicer/more-upscale clubs – I don’t think there is much that can be done – for one, the nicer-clubs already have a lot of girls wanting to work in them so these clubs are sorta in a position to choose and likely usually turn down more dancers than they hire. There is likely an “unwritten quota” w.r.t. how many AA-girls a “mixed” club will hire (and what type of AA girl) – in part it’s b/c black-custies often prefer the thick AA girls thus if a club starts hiring these type of dancers, I assume the mixed-clubs fear it’ll become a “black club” and perhaps drive-away their current clientele (and perhaps their current-dancer-base like the Cuban-dancers have done in the South at many clubs where the Cubans end up driving-away the white-dancers). I’d say in the nicer-clubs, you either need a connection (a dancer that already works there and can put in a word for you) – or you have to over-impress (doll yourself up as much as possible, and show-up “dressed to kill” showing a lot of cleavage etc) – or sometimes in the nicer-clubs a girl gets her foot in by working as waitress for a while and then building some connections within the club. Some area/cities, or clubs, are just worse than others when it comes to hiring thick AA girls – you kinda need to learn the M.O. of these places and perhaps visit as a custy to get the gist of different clubs (reading reviews on TUSCL also helps get familiarized with clubs around the country and their M.O.). Best of luck.

There are different levels of ROBs: + some count on the PL being distracted and not keeping count of the songs, or not being sure, and thus the PLs pays up b/c he’s not really sure how many songs he did and some ROBs depend on this particularly when it’s multiple dances + some ROBs just DGAF – their “business model” is to ROB *every* custy they can whether he gets one dance or 10 of whether the PL is distracted or not I don’t feel comfortable going past 2-songs w/o getting on the same page w/ the dancer - the more songs go-by the more of a chance for a sometimes legit misunderstanding or for ouright getting over-counted/ROBed. As I’ve posted in the past; my clubbing style kinda leads me to run into over-counting issues more often than perhaps the avg SCer – thus my M.O. is to typically tell the dancer upfront b/f we start to let me know every time she starts a new song – depending on the club I even go as far as using my cellphone-stopwatch to keep track of the songs or more precisely how long I’ve been getting dances that way I can be more sure - after doing this I’ve never paid and over-counter (in the past I would sometimes b/c I wasn’t 100%-sure on the count). But even doing what I now do, I still have hardcore ROBs *still* try to over-count-me - when I tell a dancer to tell me every time she starts a new song ,some will “conveniently” forget halfway thru, and some will miscount on purpose and for example go from “this song #3” then the next song they’ll say “this is song #5 (or #6)” – I’ve had others try to tell me it’s a new song halfway thru the song; etc – hardcore ROBs DGAF and they will ROB unless one stands-their-ground; but unfortunately too-many PLs don’t or don’t-wanna-bother and why the ROBs keep ROBing b/c in the end most PLs pay up. I’ve stopped using the “lets’ talk to the manager” thing – I’ve found it’s a crapshoot at best – sometimes the “manager” is as big a douche as the ROB (if not bigger) – other times he doesn’t know what happened and assumes it’s the custy trying to not pay the dancer; etc – so I’ve stopped using the “let’s talk to the manager” thing – I show her I’ve timed the songs (some still don’t give a shit); then I pay them for the songs we did and she can take it or leave it (I’ll just put the $$$ beside her and she can take it or leave it) – most of the ROBs will just take the $$$ and leave it at that once they see they can’t bully you – but some hardcore bitches will still get the “manager” or sometimes a bouncer they are friendly with and try to use them to get you to pay up the extortion – I don’t pay up as a matter of principle and prefer to leave a club b/f paying a ROB - but IME most ROBs tend to use the “I’ll get the manager/bouncer” thing as a bluff b/c it often works w/ most PLs but they usually don’t as it’s just an intimidation-tactic – some ROBs already have a bad-rep in the club and they don’t want to get the manager/staff involved. I *have* on occasion talked to a staff person about the incident after-the-fact and in “some” cases it lead to them dealing with the dancer – one time a manager in a dive made the dancer give me back the $$$ she overcharged me and then she was told to leave the club – the ROB in question had actually been previously suspended from the club for overcharging customers and had just been allowed to start dancing again after the suspension (and why there are ROBs that just DGAF no matter what one does) – this has kinda become my M.O.; on occasion I may talk to a manager or staff person after-the-fact and let him know what’s up – I don’t necessarily expect anything to come of it but at the very least they become aware of what she’s doing (in case the staff cares; which sometimes they do and don’t want dancers ROBing custies and potentially affect the club/club’s biz).

“… An old man arguing with a girl is pathetic …” What makes you think @Sinclair is old – AFAIK he’s in his 30s and may not be past 35; he’s just been in the game a long time and the way he posts/writes one would assume he’s older.

"... An old man arguing with a girl is pathetic ..." What makes you think

When I was clubbing heavily I wasn’t necessarily a regular at any one club although I’d hit some more than others – the clubs I hit also don’t tend to have the M.O. of the manager talking to custies; thus I don’t recall every having a convo with a manager in my thousands of SC-visits over-the-years, but if one did approach me I’d take it as him trying to be hospitable and making sure I wasn’t being ignored etc. On occasion I’ve had a waitress, or other dancers, either “recommend”, or even bring a specific dancer to me – on these occasions it’s been a crapshoot at best – sometimes it works out and the waitress/other-dancer does have your best interest in mind w.r.t. you having a good time; but more often than not IME the girls the waitress or other dancers “recommend” it’s either a friend of theirs they are trying to help out, or someone they do biz w/ and get a kickback from the dancer for referrals – at the end of the day no-one knows better than me what I want and IDK who I want in the club till I see her w/ my own PL-eyes – thus I tend to pass on “referalls” (plus as was posted previously, sometimes one may feel somewhat obliged to interact w/ or spend on the referred dancer or be in the somewhat uncomfortable position of sending her away).

Tootsies; as some other Miami clubs, have become a bit of tourist-traps (but especially Tootsies) – Miami clubs tend to overall be more expensive particularly when it comes to VIP/extras. At Tootsies, especially at night, you have some girls asking $1K for VIP since this club gets a ton of clueless-tourists and some will bite at that price – but most girls will come down to $500 – on dayshift $300 can be had if the PL knows what he’s doing and is willing to bide-their-time but most girls will want $400+ - VIP used to be a sure-thing but I’ve heard reports of baiting-and-switching particularly when a girl accepts a lower offer (e.g $300 or $400 at night) then once in VIP she’ll just give you dances claiming you didn’t specify upfront what you waned (where it’s usually implied) – a good time can still be had and most girls will follow-thru but the hustle at Tootsies is def more problematic than the Pompano clubs – Tootsies also has traditionally had thicker girls which can be a turn-off for some PLs although particularly at night there are a lot of girls thus thin/smaller girls can be found. Floor-dances are not really a thing at Tootsies - $25 LDs in a communal-area out-of-view of the main-room w/ decent but not complete-privacy – private VIP rooms are $150 to the house for 30-minutes; then you pay the dancer directly for her services/time (pre-Covid there were smaller $100 rooms downstairs but not sure if they are still available; they were unavailable post-Covid but some reviewers said they were being remodeled so perhaps they are available now; I think they room-fee is lower on dayshift though?). Tootsies is a big club – can be fun to hang at – I think it has the best stage-action in SoFlo (large main-stage w/ plenty of rail-side-seating and multiple dancers at the rail usually full-nude just inches from your face) – there is a similar secondary-stage w/ same-setup towards the back of the main-room but it’s only used when the club is busy. Tootsies has a national rep thus it tends to get a decent # of out-of-town girls meaning some white (American) girls and even some Eastern Euro from time to time – although it’s mostly Cuban-dancers, it has a bit better ethnic variety than the typical SoFlo “mixed” club. [w.r.t. the Pompano clubs; Cheetah may have a bit better ethnic variety but like most SoFlo-clubs it’ll be mostly non-English-speaking Cubanas] Gold Rush Cabaret in Miami has been getting some decent reviews lately but I think this is mostly a nightshift club (see the reviews by “patrickbateman” if interested particularly his July review) – Deans Gold in North Miami has traditionally been a good option for Miami but not many reviews post-Covid (no dayshift at Deans and club slow b/f 10pm) – Deans has traditionally been upscale and laidback with a decent dancer-ethnic variety “for SoFlo”; extras are Deans can be a bit pricey (unless it’s changed it’s $150 room-fee for 30-minutes and most dancers want $500 sometimes more but most usually took $500; and VIP bouncer expects a tip ($20 or so)) – although Deans is expensive most PLs find it good-value for what the club offers (LDs at Deans are $20) unless it has changed.

Cheetah seems to be the best all around – I’d hit that one first since it seems to be the best all-around-option (this of course depends on a PL’s personal preference) – Cheetah seems to have a popular-dayshift and a fair-amount-of-regulars; i.e. it can get busy later in the day which can mean more custy-competition and perhaps a bit lower dancer-attention although the girls are usually pretty-good about circulating and approaching – w.r.t. Cheetah: + $10 floor-dances (for me personally, I perfer to get the floor-dances on a highchair/barstool – if I recall correctly the low/table-side chairs have arms with IME can lower the amount of grind; but this of course is a matter for personal preference) – the low-chairs I believe also have wheels that can make-it a bit uncomfortable when getting floor-dances; if I sit at a table I try to grab the ones on the far-end of the floor by the DJ-booth since one can roll their chair against the wall if getting dances to stop the chair from rolling backwards; but those tables are popular w/ regulars and may be reserved – floor-dances are allowed to be full-nude but “technically” the girl is not allowed to grind full-nude so it seems most of the girls doing floor-dances keep their bottoms on but grind on you + $25 lap-dances – done in a communal-area out-of-view of the main-room (some privacy but not complete privacy) – there is a staff person that hangs at the entrance of the dance-area since he has to keep track of the dance-count (dancers have to give the house $5 for every $25 lap-dance they do) + Extras – done in small cubicles that are on one side of the communal lap-dance-area – these cubicles are basically the same as the ones one gets the $25-lappers on except they have a curtain that can be drawn for privacy – I don’t find them that comfortable since they have a bench for seating which makes it a bit uncomfortable IMO/IME when the dancer is in FCG (this isn’t a deal-breaker; the booths are good enough) – fees for these curtained booths are $75 to the house for 15-minutes – dancers have been asking $300 (paid to the dancer-directly) for their time and it seems that is what most PLs are paying although I’m pretty-sure many would do $200 but it seems most PLs just ask the price and pay (if you’re here from out-of-town then probably safer to just go w/ the going-rate just to make things smoother) [there is also a private Champagne Room – I believe it’s $150 to the house for 30-minutes – IDK what the dancers are currently asking these days for the CR since it seems most PLs opt for the 15-minute curtained-booths] I’d say Booby Trap is probably #2 these days in Pompano – I believe the same thing applies to the $10 floor-dances and $25-lappers as described above for Cheetah – w.r.t. extras, post-Covid they changed-it-up to where one has to pay the entire amount upfront to the club – i.e. if you and the dancer come to an agreement on $200 then you give the $200 to the club and they take $50 and give the rest to the girl (unless it’s changed) – so when agreeing to VIP at BT you need to confirm w/ the dancer if that is “all in” including room-fee – I think the going rate here is $200 to $250 all in (keeping in mind $50 of that is taken by the house) – I don’t recall how much time you get (20 or 30 minutes?) DDs seems hit-or-miss post-Covid (in terms of talent and # of dancers particularly on dayshift) – not saying it’s not worth a visit just that it may not be the first place to hit – DDs is also the smallest of the 3-clubs and it can get very-cramped at night particularly Fr and Sat eves and there can even be a wait/line for the booths on busy-nights – floor-dances are $10 and lap-dances are $25 – DDs is kinda the most economical of the 3 – typically it’s been $125 for CBJ and $225 for CFS (although some girls will want more) – the $25 lap-dances are done in a curtained-booth that is shared (2 dance-stations per booth) although there is a divider in b/w that offers decent privacy and decent-chance there may not be anyone in the dance-station next to you when the club is not that busy – extras are done in the same type of curtained-booth except it’s not shared – there is no fee to use either booth although dancers have to give the house $5 for every song they are in the shared lap-dance-booth, and $25 when they are in the non-shared extras-booth – some girls will tell the PL that *he* has to pay the $25 for the use of the non-shared-booth but that is a lie they say so they (dancer) doesn’t have to pay for it herself (sometimes I throw in the $25 as a tip if the dancer asks me for it and she did a good job) – w.r.t. extras, the booth is only for 3-songs although most of these girls are adept at “getting the job done” in that time – I “think” the 3-song-limit may only be enforced when the club is busy (mostly at night) but I’m not 100% sure (best to ask the dancer upfront) – there is also a Champagne Room here but there is a house-fee ($150 or so for 30-minutes but not sure) and the dancer will likely want more $$$ but most PLs seems to stick to the curtained-booths. SoFlo clubs get a lot of out-of-towners and thus many of the dancers will try to take them for what they can – the key to not overpaying is to know the going-rate$ going-in and you make the offer vs asking her for her price; when you ask decent-chance you’ll get the out-of-towner inflated-price (some girls try to charge $20 for floor-dances when the house-price/going-rate is $10 – thus if I do floor-dances I tell the dancer upfront “$10/song right” vs asking her how much). Lastly – if you plan on any nightshift clubbing, keep in mind Pompano clubs close at 2am – non Pompano clubs close at 5am or later – thus at night Pompano clubs tend to get going earlier whereas at night non-Pompano clubs usually get going past 10pm.

I don’t personally have a thing for toys (I’m neutral on them; neither for nor against) – my personal-pref is that we play w/ each other. Not having faves I guess limits my chances of this (toys) being a thing – also, most of my visits (when I was SCing) were to dives which had a patdown at the door and IDK what would happen during a patdown if the doorman noticed I was bringing in toys (IDK if I’d be allowed to bring them in or not – IME some of these doormen can lack common-sense).

From reviews over-the-years Men's Club has a rep for being upscale and the best-looking-dancers but so-so-mileage - St James has traditionally been the most popular (at least pre-Covid) - AFAIK both these clubs are more upscale than Chicas and better-looking-dancers but not big on extras AFAIK. Treasures is another popular club over-the-years - bit more upscale than Chicas and bit-better-looking girls - AFAIK extras are possible here but the hustle here is pretty-strong so one needs to know what they're doing.

"... Dances themselves were very good. Standard $10 per dance ..." SoFlo standard is $25/dance but this is for the mixed-clubs - the all-black clubs pre-Covid the standard was $5/dance and it can still be had depending on the club and time (although this particular club was $10/dance b/f Covid).

The layout description is a little-off - parking is across the small-side-street not around back - the building is small and so is the inside (one of the smallest clubs in SoFlo) - the "second side" described is a pool-table-area and not the area where guys that are there for the girls hang (mostly guys playing pool which would take away from your dance-privacy). Would be helpful to give a better-description of the dancers (ages; builds; natural vs enhanced; etc). Better description of the dance-mileage would also be helpful (things like "very liberal" can be subjective depending on where one is used to clubbing - describe the mileage in terms of amount of grinding; what you were able/not-able to touch; what she did/didn't-do to you; etc).

I’m 52 – I recall when I was about 12 or 13 in the early-80s, seeing a news-report about the beaches in Rio and them being famous for the women barely wearing anything (the g-strings/tiny-bikinis were the norm all the way back then in Rio while things here in the states were more-modest at that time) – I recall as a 12 or 13 y/o seeing the images of the women in the Rio-beaches in the news-report and me being in awe (in large-part b/c although I’m pale-white I’ve always been attracted to the dark-look thus was in awe of those naturally dark-tanned Brazilian women in those micro-bikinis) – I always told myself I would make it to Rio someday but till this day my sorry-ass hasn’t left the U.S. although from many accounts the mongering-scene is way better overseas in many other countries – and seems in many other countries they are not as uptight about sex/P4P as the U.S. and the women in other countries seem more willing to please.

^ how much were the coffee-shop-girl sessions?

“… I was in Santiago Chile … went to what is known as “coffee with legs.” There I met a very hot lady … Four sessions with her during my trip made the entire trip worthwhile …” Was this your first time mongering in Santiago? How did it feel navigating the city? Did you feel unsafe at any point? Was the coffee-shop girl a Chilean or Venezuelan? How did the coffee-shop girls compare in looks/service to the TJ/HK girls? Are all the girls in the coffee-shop “down with OPP”?

As I’ve often posted, I’m a variety-guy; thus I don’t necessarily need a “connection” with a dancer to enjoy being with a dancer; in-fact, as I’ve posted in the past, I get more excited at the club w.r.t. meeting new-girls vs seeing the same girls I had seen/been-with b/f even if it was a good-experience – thus I don’t need to have a “connection” to enjoy being with a woman; but having said this, I’ve never really liked nor enjoyed the SW-scene or even the escort-scene – it just feels like a different vibe meeting a girl at a club for the first time and doing extras w/ her, vs doing the same thing with a SW or escort; the latter just feels extra mechanical/transactional compared to a club-thing; not to mention there often feels a bit of a safety-issue – at least in a club, the girl is often more-or-less required to act a certain way; whereas w/ a SW or escort she’s often free to act any way she wants and she has no-one to answer to as she would in a club; and thus one can end-up with a lot of SWs that are either extremely-mechanical or just hard to deal with. I don’t have too much experience with Venezuelan women (or Venezuelan people overall), but I have some – but the few Venezuelan women/dancers that I’ve met, I haven’t particularly liked their attitudes – whereas w.r.t. their next-door-neighbors the Colombianas, those I’ve probably have had the best experiences w/ although again I haven’t really been w/ that many Colombianas. [Side Note: I’m into the dark-look thus I actually like the look of Venezuelan women; it's just the way they carry themselves I've had issues with]

I don't let other people "pick a dancer for me" and put me on the spot of having to spend $$$ on a dancer that I may o/w choose not to; or put me on the spot of having to turn the dancer down.

"... At the end of six dances she said nine, she was wrong and didn't make a big deal when I called her out ..." It's often ri$ky to get too-many-dances in-a-row w/o verifying the count; especially in certain clubs – my M.O. is to tell the dancer upfront b/f we start to let me know every time she starts a new song that way she knows I’m keeping-count (seems a lot of the ROBs count on the PL being distracted w/ the dances in order to over-count him) – at least you pushed-back on her; often times PLs just pay up (often times b/c they may not be sure how many dances they did and why for me it’s important to keep a clear-count of the dance-count vs hoping the dancer is honest).

“… was approaches by a blonde columbian named Isabella(?) who couldn't speak any more english than 5 for $100 …” This club; like many around the country; is filled with Cuban-dancers which tend to fit the profile you describe of being aggressive and not speaking a lick of English – unless she told you she was Colombian, then likely she was a Cuban and most Latinas in clubs these days with this profile one should assume the dancer is Cuban if one is gonna assume a nationality. Any experienced SCer/TUSCLer should know: 1) strippers don’t do anything for free – if you’re letting a stripper be all over you and she’s letting you be all over her; assume she expects to get paid whether she “formally” asked for a dance or not – my M.O., particularly in clubs with aggressive dancers, is to not let a dancer be all over me, nor me be all over her, unless I’m willing/expecting to spend $$$ on her – if a dancer approaches me whom I don’t want to spend $$$ on, then I don’t let her rub all over me and I don’t rub all over her 2) piggybacking on #1-above – if a dancer “invites” another dancer; then expect to pay for that; again, strippers don’t do anything for free – the “invite a friend” is meant to get more $$$ out of the PL; they’re not doing it for your benefit, they’re doing it for their$ In summary – don’t do anything with a dancer that you don’t expect to pay for – in a way you didn’t get off too bad; some clueless-PLs get taken for a lot more and they just pay up. And btw – unlikely they were “sisters” – they were likely just playing that angle b/c they know a lot of inexperienced PLs will eat that up as some kinda fantasy.

Also - if u don't spend all your club-funny-money then you may get stuck with it unless you come back again (and good chance you may forget you have it or where you put it etc). Club-funny-money just benefit$ the club - best thing to do is to bring enough cash with you and if u run out then at most use the club's ATM although this should also be avoided bc most club ATMs have very-high-fees but still better than using a credit-card or funny-money - strip-clubs are not like regular business - also decent chance that a club that pushes funny-money may not have an ATM.

@PAWG This is more of a "bar with some titties" than a typical strip-club - as others mentioned, there are no dances available here; just girls dancing nude/semi-nude on stage and custies tipping them (I would "assume" the place does not have the required-permits to operate as a full-fledged strip-club and thus why no lap-dances are available; I assume they use some kinda in b/w "loophole" to have naked girls perform?) – not the place to go to get one’s-rocks-offs but it seems to have a certain type of vibe that makes custies still visit from time to time (I think they may also serve food but I don’t remember) – so it’s more of a “hangout for a bit and relax and have a drink(s) and see some titties" vs going b/c one’s blue-balls are about to explode.

Miami clubs close late (5am+) thus they usually get-going-late; AFAIK the nightshift-crew does not start till 10pm and that is just them getting-there/checking-into-the-club, not necessarily ready to hit the floor at 10 nor ready to hustle right at 10pm – if the club has a good dayshift then pre-8pm (when dayshift usually ends) can often be better than the in b/w time of 8pm – 10pm – these clubs often have a midshift dancer-schedule in b/w dayshift and nightshift but midshift seems to often be the weakest shift. The Booby Trap clubs usually have parking-fees; were you not charged for parking (perhaps it being early on a Monday they didn’t charge you)? “… An aggressive Puerto Rican girl walked by and asked if I wanted a lap dance … Cost me $30 …” The Miami clubs are almost all Cuban-dancers (and the Cubanas are the ones that typically lean more aggressive) – did she tell you she was Puerto-Rican or did you assume that is what she was? The Miami lap-dance-cost is $25 in-almost-all-clubs; unless something has changed good-chance she was overcharging-you (the way Miami/SoFlo clubs normally work is that lap-dances are $25 but the dancer has to give the house $5 out of every-dance-she-does; could be she was charging you $30 so the $5 house-fee she has to pay came from you instead of her - not all clubs use this model but most do).