Comments by Papi_Chulo (page 42)

I've PMed w/ the OP and he's mentioned he's just looking to get good-dances and not extras. Is Tattletales good for dances?

“… A good club will have various types of girls. Not everyone has the same taste …” From 2014 to about 2018 I used to hit Inner Room (IR) in Cocoa Beach every 3 or 4 months (used to get there about 4pm and stay thru nightshift). Dayshift at IR was mixed but mostly white (it was the opposite at night) – in one of my trips there was a voluptuous darkish-skinned AA on stage in the dayshift – she was about 30 but in good shape – she was medium-build/slightly-thick but not BBW nor fat – and she had tremendous DD-natural-tits that were supa-firm and stayed-in-place even w/o a bra. Anyway – she was right my alley – I went up to the stage and tipped her well and she showed me a lot of attention on stage – after her stage-set she came and sat w/ me at the bar – we started talking and she mentioned to me how she hardly ever got tipped on stage – she mentioned something along the lines of “not even a dollar’ – IDK if she was upset about not making any $$$ on stage; or that the other custies didn’t like her enough to tip even a dollar (I got the sense she meant the latter but IDK) – anyway we went for some dances and I got a good amount of dances from her and def enjoyed her supa-full natural-DDs. The old IR had a lot old of retiree-looking white-custies and I would notice they’d approach the stage when there was a spinner or small-dancer on stage but not so much o/w.

Like others, I rarely sit at the stage – at most I’ll go up when I wanna tip a particular girl, and even that I did less-and-less in the latter-years of my PL-career. I can’t recall a particular-incident; but I guess I’ve been in that situation where I want to leave the stage b/c the dancer that comes-on is not my type; and yeah I kinda felt a little bad about it – I guess the polite thing would be to not get up and leave but tip-her then leave the stage – I’m not one for tipping dancers I’m not interested-in but in this case I guess that would be the preferable thing for me unless I can make a stage-exit w/o being noticed. I assume a lot of these girls have grown thick-skin from working in the clubs or from having tough-backgrounds to where they can handle this – at the end of the day rejection is part of the SC-biz – most-girls are not gonna close every sale.

Yeah; afterhours spots can be sketchy; the freaks/criminals come out at night. When I lived/SCed in Dallas in the 2000s I used to hit Club Onyx – Onyx was an upscale-urban-club owned by RCI which owns about 40-clubs around the country – at the time Club Onyx was a chain w/ locations in Dallas, Houston, Philly, and Charlotte (the Philly and Dallas locations are no-longer; but seems they’ve added locations in St Louis and Indianapolis) – anyway I used to hit the Dallas Onyx location back in the 2000s – Dallas clubs that sell alcohol, which are most of the SCs, close at 2am; while BYOB clubs (the minority) are allowed to stay open late – Onyx Dallas sold alcohol but still stayed open late past 2am; what they did was they stopped selling alcohol at 2am but stayed open – most of the time I was there past 2am there would be a fight at some point; pre-2am there was hardly ever an incident during my visits – the problem is that in cities where clubs are mandated to close early, then all the late-night riff-raft concentrates in the few open spots and this is often where the trouble happens. b/w 2014 and 2016, I would hit an afterhours spot in ATL (I don’t think it’s open anymore) – it wasn’t that bad but then again I wasn’t there in the wee-hours of the morning – but they had security with body-armor and high-caliber weapons outside the club.

Vivide seems to be about the only sure thing in ATL these days; but as you probably saw almost all the reviews are of dayshift – also, many of these clubs seem to really jack up the cover-charge and parking-charge at night – extend your trip over-the-weekend and hit Vivide during the afternoon!

“… I assumed Orlando was a “low contact” area. Not the case here …” Orlando has traditionally been a NFZ but the black clubs like this one and Flash Dancer up the street have traditionally bended the rules a bit – still some girls only did air-dances while others allowed 2-way-contact – seems more Orlando clubs are bending the rules these days; seems post-Covid that the no-touch-rules have not been being enforced as much (seems to be the case in other cities in other states also). “… Never even discussed charges for LD/VIP, but that’s covered in other reviews …” Orlando traditionally being a low/no contact area, there are no *private* VIP-rooms AFAIK – for the most part dances are done table-side on the floor – some clubs have “VIP” but that is just a different seating area perhaps slightly more private but it’s usually a communal-area and kinda still in view.

Wow - very-sad - same thing happened at a dive down here in SoFlo around 2018 (can't recall the details but in that instance I think it was a dancer that was an innocent bystander). Strip clubs tend to attract their fair-share of thugs/criminals and of course some clubs are much worse than others - makes one think twice about hitting certain clubs especially at night.

Most of the Latina dancers here; as well as many clubs around Dallas, and across the country that have a large # of Latina dancers, those Latinas are Cubans not Mexicans.

It seems you're a AA dancer and I assume ur looking for good clubs to work at - TUSCL is mostly made up of strip club customers - Bharlem is an AA dancer that knows the northeast area pretty-well - message her and see if she can give u some info: https://tuscl.net/member.php?id=689621

It's a big country - you need to provide an area/location of interest - also if dancer-ethnicity is important to you

^ never mind my previous comment - for w/e reason I was thinking about Cheetah.

Good info - I wonder if the extra-dance-mileage is only a dayshift thing or the new normal (I assume the former since I don't recall previous reviews mentioning contact dances). What's the dance-price on dayshift?

With all the changes in the ATL club-scene over the last few years it feels the SC-scene is dying out vs holding-steady or getting better - time will tell I guess.

^ yeah - $300 doesn’t sound like a bad-deal “on the surface”; but: + it’s for 15-mintues – so it’s the equivalent of $600 for the more typical 30-minute VIPs in most-clubs + the booth IMO is small and cramped, and not that comfortable for “VIP activities” Pre-Covid $150 to $200 could be had, especially on dayshift – this club has gotten very-popular and seems to be getting a lot of out-of-towners that just ask how much and then just pay what the girl says (I assume many of these guys may be on vacation and don’t care about negotiating a bit; or $300 is still cheap compared to where they come from; or they don’t have these options in their home-turf so they don’t care about overpaying a bit).

Some details of this review seem off (or perhaps things have changed at Tootsies as of late): “… $30 dollar cover, $30 more to go upstairs where there are basically the same girls walking around. Downstairs a big stage and upstairs a small bar and a few small stages. IMO, it's not worth paying the extra 30 to go up …” Cover used to be $8 to $12 at night depending on the night of the week (and free b/f 8pm) – it may have gone up post-Covid but never heard of a $30 cover at Tootsies – the upstairs used to be an additional $20 but IDK if that is still the case post-Covid – going upstairs is not a must but some SCers liked it b/c it was a bit more laidback (kinda a club within the club); had sofas for seating; its own stage, lap-dance-area, and VIP rooms – back-in-the-day it was assumed the hotter-girls hanged upstairs (assumption was that the dancers assumed those guys were more-willing-to-spend if they spent extra to sit upstairs) – also, the last stage in the dance-rotation was upstairs, so either the dancer hanged-upstairs after her set, or she got picked-off by one of the upstairs custies that tipped her in the upstairs stage. “… Staff - I feel they got much stricter since last time, but not aggressive. And overall friendly. I did grab an ass on the floor and someone came over and said "that's only for the back room." Kinda weak for Miami. …” Yeah – that is odd (for Tootsies, and for Miami/SoFlo) – never heard a complaint like that b/f in a SoFlo review – this may have to do w/ point #2 I made the in the previous comment, and my “baller” comment in point #3 in my previous comment. “…. LDs: $30 per song and the girls will almost always ask for a tip or try to overcount …” LDs have always been $25; first report of $30 charge (either it’s gone up or the dancers are overcharging) – I never really had a problem w/ over-counting nor overcharging here since LDs are done in a separate communal dance-area which has a dance-counter at the entrance so at least in the past this seemed to keep the girls in-check w.r.t. over-counting. “… Private dances: I didn't do any …” I assume you mean VIP-rooms? Lastly, Miami/SoFlo clubs, with the exception of the Pompano clubs, close late (per Google, Tootsies these days is open till 6am) – late-closing party-type clubs like this are not at their best till around midnight or at least till after 10pm (I think the nightshift dancer-crew does not clock-in till 10pm and it takes them a while to hit the floor and be ready to hustle).

Tootsies has been losing popularity with hardcore SCers/TUSCLers even prior to Covid – it still gets a lot of custies b/c of its national-rep, but IDK how many of those custies are hardcore SCers that spend a lot on dances/VIPs vs there “for the vibe/party(ish)-atmosphere” (there to hang; drink; eat (since the club has its own-kitchen and there are people that think their food is good); listen to the music; and just sit-back and be entertained by the stage-show). Some “possible” reasons for Tootsies not to be the top-dog in SoFlo as it once was considered by many SCers: 1) the opening of club E11even in downtown-Miami – prior to this it seems Tootsies got the cream-of-the-crop w.r.t. dancer-talent; but then it seemed the top-talent started going to E11even – E11even being closer to South Beach (SoBe) it started to get a lot of the very-late-night SoBe party-crowd and it helped that E11even was open 24-hours (not sure if it still is post-Covid) 2) Tootsies is owned by Rick’s Corp (RCI) which owns SCs all over the country – RCI bought the popular Scarlett’s in Hallandale about 4 years ago – Scarlett’s being a more upscale club, I got the sense RCI may have sent their top-staff (and perhaps dancers) from Tootsies to Scarlett’s changing the vibe of Tootsies a bit (just a hunch on my part) 3) Tootsies seems to have gotten an even bigger-rep in the last few-years with it being mentioned on rap-songs etc – seems the club started getting more of party-crowd (many out-of-area tourists etc) and seems the club started trending more towards a “baller” type of place causing the ROI to go down for real-SCers

I've heard mixed-things w.r.t. civilian-dudes fucking (P4P) porn actresses - have heard some of them are not that good (mechanical) and some of them have bad-attitudes - but I'm def not an expert on the subject - I guess it's worth experiencing but I would not go crazy and pay $5K or some shit like that in case she's a dud (i guess I'd pay what I'm willing to lose) - if they fuck civvie-dudes P4P then there should be some info about them somewhere on the web I'd think. But to answer the original question - I've thought about going in years past but never pulled-the-trigger - I'm not that big a porn-guy where i follow particular actresses (just like dancers; I'm not into faves).

Yeah; many black clubs I’ve been in are often small and cramped w/ not a lot of seating (which is problematic since in many of these clubs dances are done at your seat vs a dedicated-dance-area (unless one opts for VIP)) – so if one is affected by these cramped close-quarters then hard to have a good-time in these clubs. “… The bouncer complained to me that he didn't like that I walked in and out of the club. I like to move around and in a place this small, I walked outside for a bit, especially since it's so small. And I didn't like the way he spoke to me. I don't go for being spoken to like an unruly child. …” A lot of clubs don’t like custies walking in and out; some even have a policy that you have to pay the cover again if you walk outside and back-in – also, clubs that have a patdown at the door like this one probably like custies walking in-and-out even-less (it may be a security issue in their eyes?); especially when one does it multiple times – and yeah; IME dives like this don’t have the most “polished people” working in them – these type-clubs can have a bit different vibe from most clubs most SCers are used-to; so it doesn’t seem to be a good-fit for you. Small black clubs are what I visit the most – I don’t live in Philly but visited this club once about 5-years ago and I didn’t have that great a time – felt kinda disorganized and more like a small neighborhood bar w/ some naked chicks thrown-in; vs a more typical strip-club (on that same Philly trip I hit 2 small black SCs in NJ and had a better-time in those) – to me this club is kinda a niche-club; it has its fans but it won’t appeal to a large breadth of SCers IMO.

^ but then again maybe she was covered/fully-dressed when she went to apply?

I wonder if her tats may be an *additional* factor? IDK if it's the lighting in the pic but she seems to have a tat on her stomach and a pretty-big tat on her thigh; etc - not judging; but it used to be that certain clubs were a bit more restrictive w.r.t. tats/certain-tats but IDK if that's still the case?

Can't think of any off the top of my head bc I likely wouldn't visit that club. But I do recall a Vegas club (I don't recall the name) a few years ago that was shut-down that if I recall had a very-bad rep for ROBing - if I recall correctly the staff/dancers were even stealing custies' credit-card #s and going on shopping sprees. I also recall reading reviews of Treasures Houston that had many complaints of ROBs - I recall one reviewer writing that a dancer sat with him and talked to him for a while all the time the bartender was charging his credit-card every song she was talking to him (likely the dancer and bartender were working as a team) - I think the guy ended-up getting charged like 2 or 3 grand on his CC - this was b/f the city cracked down on all Houston clubs circa 2013 or 2014 - Treasures no longer seems to have the same M.O. but it's not necessarily the most customer-friendly club.

^ e.g. I know of SCers that may get dances with black-dancers in a mixed-club (along with other dancers): but don't like visiting all-black clubs - again not a universal-thing but what I've noticed

^ IME most guys that are not primarily into black women/dancers don't tend to visit black-clubs except maybe out of curiosity a time or two - of course this isn't universal. There are some that may visit bc a black club may be more cost-effective; or bc other clubs in the area don't offer the same mileage. In my area of Miami the black-clubs are significantly cheaper yet I rarely see any non-black custies (often I'm the only non-black person in the club and this was the case in my OSC late-2016 visit) - but Miami does have high-mileage non-black-clubs.

This is a niche club: 1) one has to like dive-clubs (club is small; not in a great-area; and at most has the basics aesthetics wise; it doesn't even have a DJ and it's only open a few hours a day vs late like most strip-clubs; etc) 2) one has to be primarily into black-women Either or both of these likely takes out a large chunk of SCers - but this club does offer a niche for a certain SCer population.

$125 for 10-mintues is not as bad but still higher than the national avg; at that rate it comes out to about $40/dance which certain other markets have but still higher than other good-markets like Atlanta ($10/song w/ nudity and two-way-contact (but ATL is an outlier); Miami ($25/song with good contact plus extras available); Detroit (suburbs) etc – thus the $125 is not terrible but at the end of the day one has to plunk-down $125 every time they get w/ a dancer which makes it hard to sample different dancers and also there is always the risk of ending-up w/ a dud-dancer and their goes $125 down-the-drain vs $20 or $25/dance in other areas – but at the end-of-the-day good strip-clubs areas (mileage and cost-wise) are more the exception than the norm and the DMV-area is not known for great-value (mileage/prices) compared to the better-areas; but one has to do w/ what they have available.