Comments by davephx (page 2)

No many of us do not tip. They are making more money than many clients, and tipping is for minimum wage workers who rely on tips. In addition, it could be considered racist to tip since it started for black railroad porters who only made tips. It is just silly to tip a dancer or any professional sexworker. Never in 40 years have I tipped a dancer or escort and never was an issue. In most of Asia, tipping is an insult. When in Germany, just rounded up to the nearest Euro in restaurants, so don't deal with change.

I am an old dude. Used to enjoy Sugar more with sensual floor dances but have avoided in last few years. Many dancers do not allow sucking even in VIP which I support their right to limits. Any lap dances technically violate the Phoenix strip club ordinance but has not been enforced for many years. Even a fully clothed hug is illegal, so when enforced, dancers had to straddle the arms of the chair so they were not in the lap. I knew some owners who were shut down or fined for the slightest infraction. Even exposed on local TV how undercovers would spend long nights in clubs watching for any physical contact with dirty parts. I spoke against the new law at City Counsel hearings (and the law that made swing clubs illegal). I have never understood these silly right terms like wokeness. To me, wokeness means facts and science, not lies and misinformation similar to dictatorships. As for the war - both sides have some facts that are legitimate. The only solution is for 2 states and not illegal takeovers of lands. Yet the other side's aim is to destroy Israel, who, with some truth, took over their land as well as the illegal settlements in the West Bank. However, the extreme emotional vs fact-based views on both sides result in the current mess and many innocents being killed.

In the major cities of Canada (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver), as soon as the Nordic model was passed after prior law that outlawed incalls and agencies (outcall always legal), the police announced no change in enforcement unless underaged or trafficked against will. The prior law stuck down by the Ontario Supreme Court in one of the most comprehensive opinions ever since it violated the Charter of Rights based on the "safety of persons". I.e. it is much safer when legal. Then the conservative parliament passed the basically Nordic Model. However, police realized in the major cities, this made it more risky and refused to enforce it. There have been arrests and cases in some more conservative smaller cities of C36 (new law). I have kind of lost track, but for the cases, I recall, 3 declared C36 unconstitutional against the Charter - related to safety - and 1 case was lost. Latest I have heard is the "Crown" has not appealed to the Federal Supreme Court of Canada (which upheld the striking down the old law). A few years ago I had an outcall to my hotel who never showed up. We connected later and she told me she was stopped by police in my hotel parking lot. How they knew she was an escort is unknown. She was with an agency so had a driver. The police only were interested if she was a consenting adult. She assured them she was and she was free to go and see me. However, she was a bit rattled and decided to contact me later and not show up. There are zillions of great agencies in the major cities (especially Toronto and Montreal) that have drivers and detailed bios and pictures of all the escorts. It works wonderfully and safely, and if there is ever a bad client, there is no hesitation to report it to the police. The drivers that return the gals from the outcalls call about 5 minutes before time is up and if the escort doesn't pick up or return say after 10-15 minutes they will go to the room and if anything suspect will call hotel security or the police, although I have not heard that happening. Most agencies require names and, of course, hotel info, so if any problem will blacklist the client or report to police if attacked or something, again never heard of it happening. The result is the police go after underaged or suspected trafficked against their will and do not waste police resources going after private consenting adults.

77 I have been going to strip clubs, escorts etc for at least 40 years. I have always enjoyed tender touch intimacy vs the usual sex stuff.

The Silly Idea of Tipping in the US vs most of the world for professional services. I have been seeing dancers at strip clubs, escorts, and massage parlors for about 40 years and have NEVER tipped, and it was never an issue. I think the weird American idea of tipping is ridiculous other than minimum level wages such as restaurants with tip credit wages, but not professional sex workers like dancers, etc. In Germany, just round to the nearest dollar, in Asia, tipping is often considered an insult, like in American history. Tipping spread after the Civil War as an exploitative measure to keep down wages of newly freed slaves in service occupations. Pullman was the most notable for its tipping policies. The railroad company hired thousands of Black porters but paid them low wages and forced them to rely on tips to make a living. Tipping has been viewed as an imbalance between customers and workers, and several states passed laws in the early 1900s to ban the practice. In “The Itching Palm,” a 1916 diatribe on tipping in America, writer William Scott said that tipping was “un-American” and argued that “the relation of a man giving a tip and a man accepting it is as undemocratic as the relation of master and slave.” That is how it started in the US, but if sex workers want to be considered professionals as I view them, we certainly do not need to tip them. Some make more money on an hourly basis than most customers. Tipping how silly- I will now duck into my foxhole for incoming potential fire.

Hi, Heel and BigTim hope you're doing well. I keep wanting to get back to clubs but have been terribly busy in business and, like Heel, almost always go at night, as well as a Raven Fan often with our old group that used to go together. Great memories. It looks like other than Raven on her two nights, I need to get to the day shift. Heel always had great detailed reviews, and I have enjoyed meeting him a few times, as well, of course, many times BigTim.

Estrella I assume is not Estella. Estrella goes back like 20 years and really enjoyed her before her breast enhancement. But she always found me but I only did one dance after enhancement. I haven't seen her named in reviews for a few years, so I assume she has retired and doubt she is your Estella - but names sound similar!

Looks like I can not edit the comment but found the address problem from the 2017 review I did: 3rd year I have noted address is wrong on their website which I always mention to the gals. The site says Windor when its Royal Windsor Dr. First time years ago had a hard time finding since GPS couldn't find any "Windor." http://www.puregoldclub.ca/

I haven't been here since a few years before the pandemic, but other than being so far out from Toronto or Sauga, where I usually stay, I especially enjoyed the, in general, more sensual Eastern Europeans. They also had 2 for 1 dance specials early in the week; wonder if they still do. Also, dances were $20, but it seems now are $25. The VIP areas were nice, and I kind of liked the tables with high chairs; I often sat between the dance area and the back bar. I also recall the address was wrong even on their sign and the first time there long ago got lost until I figured it out. I think the name of the street was spelled wrong. I don't think it was just with or without the Royal in the address which differs on some sites.

Ah, yes, I think it was the old bookmarks. It is now very hard to find just new posts for cities without going through them all, especially in a large metro area like Phoenix. I also note in the AZ listing by city that some Phoenix clubs - Sugar and Bourbon Street, nor Bones in Scottsdale -are listed as Paradise Valley. There are no strip clubs in Paradise Valley, a very high-income elite area for the most part.

Greetings! Is $300-$500 correct? I thought you were more like me and not that big of a spender, but your reviews are always great and, of course, have been great when we meet at Sugar with your amazing memory!!. Of course, I am another Raven fan, but it's been a long time since I've been so busy. My last visit was in July - you must have an old Coupon. Ryan did remove the expiration date; I printed out about a dozen this summer and just checked the website. It looks like the site was redone and has no expired coupon. I have been favoring Bourbon Street since they seem to be roaming on the floor more, but again, not since July. No $20 fee to go to the VIP, and still $20/song last I went to the VIP.

Don't assume most of us like big butts and breasts. Anything larger than C is a turnoff for me. I only look for slimmer, natural breasts and not big butts. Most of the guys I know that go to strip clubs, also prefer naturals but maybe I am just in a different group!

I assume this is the same PT club that has to close for 2 weeks in January to settle prostitution and indecent exposure charges? https://www.westword.com/news/denver-pts-showclub-closing-temporarily-to-settle-prostitution-case-18361471

The guy that was killed was very drunk and was being kicked out of the club. That is no excuse but one of the new owners (big guy who owns another club and part of the group with the other family that owns many) met with me for about 30 min when the big room was just a storage area with most chairs piled up. Yes, it was great in the old days. Understand the old big area is now for VIP but haven't been there for many years but might check it out. The nude side was terrible toward the end vs. the old days in the big topless area. I never did the VIP off the main large area but enjoyed dances in area off in back? of large area but wasn't the more expensive VIP if I recall correctly. Was an interesting story of how the owner almost scared me to death when approached me wanting to talk knowing who I was on the boards and my websites. A dancer had told him I was there. But very nice and tried to tell me openly their side of the story, how the law firm working on liquor license etc.

Evergreen98 - Hopefully, you are wrong on the comment only hire... with large breasts on your list. I know I am rare but am turned off by large (more than C) breasts. I have found dancers of all breast sizes including my preferred smaller. But yes great, most are slim and attractive more than it seems most other clubs.

Mate27: Being a nerd with a CPA background, I figured over the long-term, based on current rates it returned me about 7%/year return on my investment with virtually no risk. I did lots of research and went with Enphase Microinverters with a 25-year guarantee. As rates go up, the return increases. No roof issues, have had almost 3 years, and have a negative balance with APS. Realize this is not on topic!

You also said the arm band is both $20 and $25 in two places. I believe it is $25 and she asked for tips? Have never had that happen and of course never tipped a dancer a silly American thing from the slave days (Railroad Porters" It is an insult in much of Asia and mostly just round up to nearest Euro in Europe. She is not a minimum wage worker and I treat them as professionals who I certainly don't tip no matter how great the dances. Lately have enjoyed Bourbon Street more since $20 VIP and no entry fee and unlike in the past years they seem to be working the floor more. Back a few years they did $10 floor dances at 44, with lots of contact basically what you can do in the VIP. But now many dancers don't allow much contact on the floor so I find Bourbon Street much better at $20/dance in VIP. Just got back today and am doing review.

Glad you liked Alice which I gave my rare highest 5 intimacy rating to in review just before yours. I do have a strong reaction to the silly American thing of tipping. It is an insult in much of the world and was developed in the US in the days of black railroad porters before minimum wage laws. Until the horrid system changes it is for basically the restaurant workers that are paid low wages and tip credits for taxes etc. I consider sex workers professionals where tipping is outrageous in my view. In 40 years of escorts, strip clubs, and massage parlors both in the US and Canada I have never tipped, and was never an issue. When in German restaurants you just rounded to the nearest Euro to not have to deal with small change.

Yes used to be a great busy often almost full in the large main area. But tried hard for a long time to get liquior license renewed without success. Interesting to hear the big area is being used for private dancers vs the upper area on the smaller nude side. +w

Good review. It used to be my most frustrating club to get dancers to approach you. As you suggested it might be the new dancers are more hungry and not relying on meeting regulars. Even with our group and dancer magnet BigTim I was often with didn't get as much approaching as years ago. On my last visit, I was proud of myself. Spotted a good looking very tall dancer surveying the audience and I approached her winding up in great standing conversation and VIP dances. Often I am hesitant to approach since old guy of 76, although not has never seemed to be a problem in fact many dancers like older men that are not so much into just groping and grabbing their body parts :)

Minnow - Heellover has like a photographic memory and remembers almost everything from even years ago it seems. He does great detailed reviews and often meet with him in our gang of 3 or 5 depending on night but have got together only a few times since Covid, BigTim, etc. We are all Raven fans :) My memory of names and faces is terrible. If you see a tall old ( 76 yrs) guy with a little black book from his shirt pocket writing notes that may be me. The only way I can remember names etc to do later review when I get home. Have enjoyed clubs for maybe 40 years and use to know some of the owners of the past, spoke at hearings against the new strip club law decades ago - which is not enforced like originally - dancers had to straddle arms of chairs to comply since could not be in your lap and even a fully clothed hug is technically illegal. Local TV noted how undercovers would spend long nights in clubs wasting taxpayer money on slightest touch infraction and owners got fined or had to close for a few weeks for minor touch penalties. Now not as strictly enforced but still a Phoenix ordinance "to protect children and families". And the LE raids more recently at HL pre-Covid. That is why I enjoy Toronto etc clubs and escorts so much with no legal issues, but still do Phoenix clubs but never "extras".

I relate to earlier docsavage reply- I am age 76. I am not at all attracted to women anywhere near my age. I enjoy smooth skin to caress and smaller nice breasts to nicely massage. I also interact with a dancer as a person and soul not as a sex object. I also go to escorts and massage parlors (in GTA etc on trips). I have always been more interested in caring sensual intimacy for the moment, more than just the sex stuff but avoiding the US legal issues. Have been doing this for 40-some years including Thailand, the Philippines, and a few years ago in Germany (FK clubs a bit too much for my tastes).

In over 20 years of going to Greater Toronto area clubs (and Niagara and Hamilton), I do not recall any over-counting. That happens far more in the US. But I always say lets start on next song and confirm as we go what dance we are on. Or, will say let's do 3 songs (or 5 if really like after first few) etc. so leave the counting to her and have never had an issue. Even in earlier days when wasn't so specific I learned to do more from US clubs where overcounting was much more common.

Has not really changed in the last 20 years. $20/dance in a huge upstairs area (long flight of stairs). Enter a kind of side area where as I recall used to be a pool table (gone now as I recall) go right to Men's room, left to the seating area with the bar area first. I always sit on bar stools just a few feet below bar vs the huge table area between the bar area and the stage. Since only interested in private dances stay in high traffic back area (by bar) since have seen zillions of naked women, no big deal.

I much prefer smaller breasts so nice to caress and massage. I seldom cum and it's never an issue. I enjoy the attempt but after a while tell them I have worn out many hands trying. I enjoy and it is not them. I have always been long-lasting and almost never cum by massage or intercourse (I can by masturbation). I have always been that way not just now that I am age 76!. It is not something new to the massage gal. Long ago a gal was frustrated not getting me off and called in her expert. An older lady from London whose motto was "get them in, get them off, and get them out." Besides not being at all attractive to me, she failed also in her attempt.