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17 years ago
Hi quimby,
I'm glad you liked my posts. :)
Here in Miami the normal free market rules don't readily apply to strip clubs because it isn't a free market. I would LOVE to open a club near The Trap, but the government won't allow it. In fact, if The Trap dies the government won't allow a new strip club in its place.
Also, clubbers can have extremely different ideas about what a good club experience is. Seems like the majority favors Tootsies and that place is way too upscale for my tastes. I want a small quiet inexpensive club with a few regular dancers that I can visit again and again. The government won't allow that so I get whatever happens to be on the menu or nothing or alternatives like bringing hos home. It was amusing and distressing how hyper some of my neighbors got when they saw me bringing hos into my home.
OTC, I LOVE IT bad or good. :)
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17 years ago
Oops. The above post was a mistake. I attempted to post and ran into technical difficulties.
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17 years ago
Well, the girl claimed that she thought that's how it is supposed to be done. A whole unmixed unshortened song for $5??? She was a perfect 10. At Tootsies she would have been charging $25 for a pitifully short song. Do I believe her when she says she didn't know? I don't really care as long as she gives good service in the future. If she could work at Tootsies, then I believe she'd print money.
The more experienced dancers will only do that with a dumb dumb or rookie or etc. But, an overcount is often fair game regardless sometimes if nothing more than to see if you have a pair.
The $1 dances are for a full song PLUS. Hell, they (the low income or cheap patrons) don't want to be giving up that $1 or $2 without the dancer really working. Remember usually a customer like that really worked hard for his money and the dancers know that. And, they also know that it can be good business to showcase their wares or do charity work.
Well, if the dancer is willing to do me for free why wouldn't she want a little financial help? (She may not see it as selling her body even a little or if she did it would probably be and how is that negative?) Especially, if I'm not willing to go downtown due to a fear that just seems absurd or stupid to her.
I have a dancer who gives me "free," but she has a very different concept of free than I do. And, it causes problems because she either wants a straight customer relationship or a real relationship. BTW, her "free" services are definitely different than her paid services. She claimed she could provide the same regardless of cash--that paid GFE is no biggie. She failed, but her performance was very good. If you pay, then you get X. If it is "free," then you get Y. I would rather pay and get Y. That Y option doesn't seem to be on the table as a paid option any longer although she is one of the best at delivering it; imo--the problem seems to be the relationship is muddled--thanks to her! Of course, she says that I shouldn't be treating her like a girlfriend unless in fact she is a girlfriend. I've explained too often to her that it is fantasy!!! She says a person can take fantasy too far.
And, NO "free" even really "free" isn't a wonderful idea, imo.
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17 years ago
Well, the girl claimed that she thought that's how it is supposed to be done. A whole unmixed unshortened song for $5??? She was a perfect 10. At Tootsies she would have been charging $25 for a pitifully short song. Do I believe her when she says she didn't know? I don't really care as long as she gives good service in the future. If she could work at Tootsies, then I believe she'd print money.
The more experienced dancers will only do that with a dumb dumb or rookie or etc. But, an overcount is often fair game regardless sometimes if nothing more than to see if you have a pair.
The $1 dances are for a full song PLUS. Hell, they (the low income or cheap patrons) don't want to be giving up that $1 or $2 without the dancer really working. Remember usually a customer like that really worked hard for his money and the dancers know that. And, they also know that it can be good business to showcase their wares or do charity work.
Well, if the dancer is willing to do me for free why wouldn't she want a little financial help? (She may not see it as selling her body even a little or if she did it would probably be and how is that negative?) Especially, if I'm not willing to go downtown due to a fear that just seems absurd or stupid to her.
I have a dancer who gives me "free," but she has a very different concept of free than I do. And, it causes problems because she either wants a straight customer relationship or a real relationship. BTW, her "free" services are definitely different than her paid services. She claimed she could provide the same regardless of cash--that paid GFE is no biggie. She failed, but her performance was very good. If you pay, then you get X. If it is "free," then you get Y. I would rather pay and get Y. That Y option doesn't seem to be on the table as a paid option any longer although she is one of the best at delivering it; imo--the problem seems to be the relationship is muddled--thanks to her! Of course, she says that I shouldn't be treating her like a girlfriend unless in fact she is a girlfriend. I've explained too often to her that it is fantasy!!! She says a person can take fantasy too far.
And, NO "free" even really "free" isn't a wonderful idea, imo.
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17 years ago
I did forget. At Angels and some of the other low cost clubs the DJ will sometimes be doubling or tripling the song, which can piss the dancer off. He may do that to get the money flowing. Customers start hearing how long the songs are going and think damn I can put out $5 because I'll just need one song. As money starts getting spent the club can come alive and stay alive even if the songs are shortened. Or, the DJ may be doubling or tripling the song to show his power. Or, sometimes to extort tips from the dancers.
A lot of "game" being played.
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17 years ago
You might be pretty smart. :) You ever consider the quality of the customer? (You ever hear of bait and snag? There is also that possibility if the deal is too good.) Not if you're in the crowd whose mantra is it is all about the money. Now, in a white club . . . naw that isn't even true. In an expensive white club such as Tootsies (yes, I consider even $10 and $20 songs expensive for my budget) the mantra could very well be true.
He's mixing the songs. Could be more than 5 songs in 3 mins. It is part of the scam and the dancers pay the DJ for it. That is why you need to insist the dancer give a count at the end of *each* song. I had a dancer at Angels who billed me $5 for a "song" that was less than 15 seconds, but she was upfront about it. I paid and got rid of her (she later gave me a couple free songs; on a different visit). Another dancer was at the other extreme where the "songs" where being billed at about 4 an hour. Of course, I spent a lot of money on her. And, please remember the dancers do get their share of deadbeat customers who never intended on paying or intended on paying only part of the bill.
At Angels some of the customers are getting dances for $1 and $2 a song. At the other extreme you have customers tipping $20s like they $1s. I'm talking big money spread freely. Thus, I see dancers getting 4 and 5 $20s in the space of less than a minute. Of course, then the owner had to slow the club down. :(
If you think $10 is stupid, then what do you think about free? That is "easy" to do and had that offer just a few weeks ago OTC. What the dancer wanted was oral. I would *love* to do that for her, but I'm overly concerned about disease. She says you do oral you'll have as many bitches as you want over here for free. Sounds wonderful if you're into free and you enjoy oral (I enjoy doing that). The problem is in my experience the dancers and customers seem to have NO fear of disease.
I strongly believe either *free* or too cheap is bad news. Perhaps I know the wrong people, but non-hooker or non-stripper relationships don't seem too wonderful unless the man is getting more on the side or his sex drive is tiny. And, I don't see non-dancer morals as being genuinely superior so all the negative shit about dancers doesn't seem realistic. O the dancer did this and the dancer did that . . . and I'm thinking yeah and the regular woman did this and the regulae woman did that . . .
Lastly, as far as stupid it definitely seems like at Angels the dancers are usually more intelligent than the customers. :)
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17 years ago
More upsetting to me than the dancer overcounting is the DJs complicity. One song will cut into another randomly. This gives the dancer a pretext to claim it was a new song. Of course, under that reasoning there may be 5 new songs within 3 minutes. (DJs get paid by the dancers for this BS.)
Everyone has different tastes and a lot of customers prefer a DJ to a regular jukebox. Hell, I prefer a silent strip club where the dancers don't even dance such as the old Angels.
Visited the RolLexx again this afternoon and there was a very large number of attractive dancers. Didn't have as much fun as yesterday because the music was loud to keep conversations between dancers and customers to laconian portions.
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17 years ago
It may seem very counter-intuitive, but I'd trust a dancer with a loan over the genuine god fearing person or over just regular friends. The loans weren't big money at all. Sometimes the dancers wanted to pay in trade, which was ok even though I'd prefer they honor the original agreement. Other times I didn't even have to ask. They were happy to repay and appreciative that I was willing to help out with a small loan. Others just went into hiding mode.
Again, forget about the dollar signs. I think it is fun to help out and would like to help out with greater sums if the need arises.
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17 years ago
$10 for whatever I wanted. :)
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17 years ago
People have more of an emotional attachment to dogs generally. Also, if the government says something most people believe and obey.
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17 years ago
FWIW, you can get the price down lower than $5 (ITC and OTC). One of the dancers I liked worked at some fast food joint during the day and told me she me she'd be happy to charge $10 an hour at her apartment, when she wasn't at one of her two jobs.
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17 years ago
mumpsimus
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17 years ago
Well, not only does Angels have at least 3 different regular shifts, in addition the hotties come and go at will. I didn't want to go even after being there the day, night, and morning. But, even when you're being cheap the money spent adds up in a strip club.
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17 years ago
BTW, I think the phoney undercount is more intriguing and profitable; profitable especially long term as well as short term.
The stripper overcount is probably best matched with a customer undercount or worse??? Perhaps put a little fear in her that she won't even get the $5 per dance due to her mendacious "hustling."
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17 years ago
Hi quimby,
I don't think that is generally appropriate in a $5 club. The feeling being is you a man or is you a mouse? Dis is a ho we yabbering about. Treat 'er like one. O, she and 'er lasses be laffin an looing down dey long noses at you.
Having said that if I know management or security then I will have a little pow wow in extreme circumstances. For example, ho has 7 or more different separate personalities or ho threateningly places sharp object near family jewels.
Besides, the poor girls, isimo, get cheated far more than the customers. Remember it may very well be club rule that she is supposed to collect her money first. If n she don't then she be screwed unless she's been smart enough to grease security regular like.
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17 years ago
Hi Book Guy,
I'd been brainwashed to believe that a good converstionalist just encourages the other person to talk and talk. :)
That doesn't do much for me. I like to write, but talk not so much. What I like, can I think best be described by the word "marcarism." I get pleasure from see the dancer appearing to be enjoying herself, which is why I can get very interested in her little dog assuming she is enjoying telling me all about him.
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17 years ago
Oh yes. If I was recquired to give a numer rating, then it would have been 10. :)
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17 years ago
mataeology
n. - useless of pointless discourse; worthless conversation
http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/ow_m.html#mataeology
I thought there should be single word meaning boring converation; mataeology was as close as I came. :(
For an list of words describing styles of speech you may wish to check out http://phrontistery.info/speech.html .
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17 years ago
"5. (lowercase) Offensive. to bargain sharply with; beat down in price (often fol. by down)."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew%20down
Just on the off chance it was serious question. :) Anyway seems sorta like a tmesis (see also dystmesis) in that words are inserted between "Jewing" and "down."
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17 years ago
I's praying to God Almighty that cash WILL repair my relationship with a favorite ho. Two whole weeks and NO phone call! Of all the absurd things for her to go off the deep end over was that I gave her BBQed chicken away. She was like 2 hours late for a dinner date and I didn't want to toss the chicken nor have leftovers. Madder than a wet hen she hung up on me twice. Looking at the slim sliver lining that equals more money for me.
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17 years ago
Cunnilingus. :)
Actually, imo it means to be smart and a great deal err yeah cunnilingus. :)
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17 years ago
It is nice when dancers try and make their own market. Too often it is copycat-city. This one hottie thought she has creating her own market because she pulled in a lot more, but has different hotter look. Her looks alone could have explained her "created market." But, she also will to do the GFE.
Another dancer credit her higher earnings with her own personal costumes. I'm not into costumes at all, but damn she had a fine eye for hewing hot habiliments.
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17 years ago
If the club is low cost or at least has a pleasant vibe, then I'll usually stick around. It seems like the type of dancers I like are inclined to hide in the back or come in mid way thru a shift. Too much ugly just drove me away and if not weakness for alliteration, then I might have a different thread title.
Sickening Sights Shoo Stripclubber . . .
Oh well, I'm not too good at the alliteration game and besides it is supposed to low prose.
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17 years ago
I don't care for this tool (erroneously it seems too much like "entrapment"), but it could be consider related to the loan tool in that it attempts to see character thru the BS/SS. Give the stripper ample opportunity to steal from you. I had a boss that just loved doing that with his employees, but I told him it was transparent. He says to YOU, not to most people. Anyway, that was one of his tools for judging people. He wasn't at all concerned about losing the bait or getting someone in trouble. He just wanted to try and test their character. He hoped they would pass with flying colors, but failure wouldn't be met with "punishment," it just established a more realistic framework from which to "exploit"/work with the employee.
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17 years ago
The loan is just a tool in a hopefully well stocked arsenal. (Don't know where anyone got the idea it was for profit at 0% interest.)
For example, it is very surprising how quickly even a small loan can make some dancers disappear. A more aggressive dancer can calmly be quieted by reminding her that her loan still hasn't been repaid. Again, it can be surprisingly that a dancer would rather lose future business than work out some type of deal.
As I said before I've had better luck lending to strippers than "upstanding citizens." So, it is extremely gratifying when a stripper appreciates a loan and is either willing to work out an arrangement or better still pays as agreed. A stripper or anyone for that matter who works a deal or repays as agreed looks a whole lot better in my eyes. If I liked the person before, then I'll be damn tickled pink with them when they demonstrate what I consider to be good character--they seem more like me and thus I like them more. :) I don't recall a single "voluntary" debt that I've failed to repay----however, that definitely wouldn't include any filth imposed by a court especially when denied a jury trial.