Otc pricing

You aren't "gifting" or "donating" anything. You are paying for sex plain and simple.

As for cost, it depends on where you are. If she looks like the model you linked to I could see anywhere from $500 range in a small midwestern city to $1000+ in large markets like NYC, LA or Vegas.

Better idea would be to ask her, and if it's a comfortable number use that as your base, if it's beyond your budget, be sure to counter with something that you can live with, also vert important, make sure what ever number you agree on, that it's a comfortable number for you, if you decide to do it again, if you try to reduce the cost that will not work out very well.

I don't know your market, and I know I'm a bit of a loaner in this thinking but I find a pretty close correlation between OTC prices and the all-in cost of ITC at local clubs where its available. I find it holds pretty true even for girls who work at non-extras clubs but are open to OTC. Usually +/- $100 or so.

Another thing I've found is that girls asking significantly above market are usually significantly worse than average. There's a sweet spot in there, at least for me, maybe slightly above market but within range.

If its too high, make a counter offer or maybe just reject it and let her counter if she's inclined.

Pay whatever you are comfortable with. As she instigated the idea she’s likely willing to negotiate and gave you a price in the expectation of expecting you to put in a counter offer. If I were you I’d say it’s above your budget and see what she comes back with.

I wouldn’t negotiate beyond that myself.

If she’s your type and you agree a figure then “fill yer wellies” as we say over here.

Good luck

For clarification, she gave me a number. More than I'd be willing to pay, but maybe I'm just being cheap. Trying to see if I'm out of line or if it's just sticker shock

What number did she give and what area are you in? Those details will help others be able to give better advice.

It would help if you can divulge the figures. If she is quoting north of $500 I think most guys would say it’s a bit much, even for a long time. If she’s quoting about $300 and she’s a stunner in your eyes I think that would seem reasonable.

I've always heard that OTC rates in Titty City run on the high side...

Ask her if she has a TUSCL discount

Check out some of the escort review sites for your neighborhood to see comparables.

Got to echo what whodey said.

Can’t offer advice without details. Too many variables

@scrub ‘the girl you posted on ig is fat.. not worth OTC.. pay for her gym membership instead’

When are you coming to BMore? Or maybe I’ll see you in phx this year. You’re the perfect wingman. Fun, generous and you and I won’t fight over the same women. That girl is hot! Scrub, you and I will play ‘cart golf’ in the club. Working together and not competing with each other.

Shanny, In the Tampa area, the Market price for such activity is 400-500. What I normally do is the 500 first time, 400 recurring amount. I'll pay them 500 the first time and if this is a one and done, then that is what they get. But if you connect and want to do it again and again, then the expectation is 400 on a recurring basis. I will actually tell them the 500/400 deal right up front.

The problem with strippers sometimes is that they get hit on for this type of thing all the time. And some have listened to "influencers" that will tell them to not sell themselves for less than a grande or some other ridiculous amount.

I haven’t OTC’ed much in m PL-career – as I’ve often posted I’m a variety-PL which “usually” means I don’t have to have a particular-dancer thus not that hard for me to pass on a dancer if the price isn’t right.

My thoughts on OTC kinda align w/ Dolfan’s – I try to shoot for the ITC going-rate and maybe go over by $100 or maybe $150 if she’s above-avg w.r.t. the type of dancer I usually go for – since for me OTC is not something I gotta-have then I’m less-motivated to pay significantly over what I can get ITC.

Two basic things to consider IMO:

1) if u are seeing this as a one-off; then it may be worth paying a bit more unless it’s more than 2x of what u are used-to/comfortable paying

2) if u think u ma want this to be something u wanna do semi-regularly w/ her (assuming the 1st-time goes well); then def not a good-idea to get locked-into a price u are not comfortable with from the-get-go – often-times it’s harder to renegotiate to a lower-price for subsequent-OTCs if a PL starts at a high-price


And as has been posted in the past; a higher-price does not necessarily mean better-service/a-better-experience (especially since it seems she doesn’t already work in an extras-club of which there are in ur area).

Lastly – a few years ago TUSCLer @Subraman posted that he rather make the (price) offer vs asking a dancer for her price; which I thought made good-sense. U can phrase it to her something like “this is what I usually pay ITC …” and then perhaps work a little-up from there. This in part let’s her know u have options and not completely hard-up willing to pay anything.

That's 6 hours. Even MSOG shouldn't take 6 hours. If you don't want her around that long see if she'll accept less for less time.

@shanny72

I will play along and answer your question;

Q: What would you gift or expect to donate in this circumstance? (The offer is a gfe at a hotel of my choice, with drinks and multiple shots on goal from 8p-2am)

A: $500-$700

You are paying for her “time and companionship”, anything that happens between two consenting adults (sex) is not paid for, “legally speaking”.

You are talking about 6 hours and about $100 per hour is reasonable in my humble opinion and limited experience.

Because if you were to hire a high end escort you would be paying at least $300-$400 per hour that would be $1800-$2400; even with a “discount” for multiple hours you would be paying upwards of $1000 for a nice high end escort for 6 hours.

Regardless of what anybody else thinks, it is up to you. If you can afford this hobby and you think she is worth what she is asking for or close to, go ahead and enjoy it, but don’t try to get her to lower her number too much because then you both may and up feeling bad about the deal.

The best deal is when you both can walk away feeling good about the deal.

Remember that you usually get what you pay for.

“Good service is not cheap and
Cheap service is not good.”

Be careful out there, and don’t buy anything that you can’t afford.

:D

@shanny72

One more thing to consider, because you both have to have reasonable, similar expectations about what a GFE is.

GFE is a paid-for-sexual-encounter in which both participants are willing to engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (you should make sure she has multiple orgasms and squirts if she can relax and is comfortable and feels safe) and of course some degree of emotional intimacy is necessary like with a “girlfriend”.

I hope you both think that 6 hours are necessary because you both are not going to just focus on having sex, but are thinking of a “date night”, you might order room service if you want to eat together, feed each other, and drink (responsibly) make the experience more meaningful for you both.

Making out like teenagers and massage each other after non- rushed sex in preparation for the second and third or four round of reciprocal sexual pleasure.

Just make the GFE a mutually beneficial pleasurable meaningful for you both, so you both walk away wanting to do it again, regardless of the amount of money exchanged.

Never thought I'd say this, but I think cjkent is pretty accurate here. 6 hours is a long date.


My initial thought on the Instagram pic was 600. I'm guessing you were quoted somewhere in the 800 to 1000 range.

Wrt warrior's advice.... I've never had a girl agree to less for subsequent visits, although I haven't pushed it.

One strategy I've used, both with otc and SA negotiations is to use a line like " the sugar baby I used to see requested $x each time we met" of course x is a made up number dependent on the feel I'm getting for the potential girl. I usually try to start about $100 or 200 less than I'm willing to pay, allowing for some negotiation wiggle room. Works for me.

If the girl you are considering taking OTC looks like the girl in the instagram account you provided - and you have a 6 hour GFE type of date planned - I’m thinking it will be between $800-900.

I am guessing she may have hit you with a $1,000 number. Consider the cost of VIP at a low end club - running about $300 for 30 minutes (with likely a single shot). Then extrapolate from that number, and 6 hours of her time adds up.

I would counter with a lower number, but not too low, as you don’t want to insult her. It can be difficult to negotiate with a girl you want to fuck, but it is important to avoid overpaying.

Me personally, I'd avoid an FS sex worker who doesn't have a reasonable one hour rate. For most people, paid sex is never going to be the best sex, and paid company is never going to be the best company. I'm not able to find better sex for free. If I couldn't find better company for free, I'd see it as a major warning sign that I'd turned into a major jerk, or was otherwise delusional. If a sex worker thinks it's wroth it to you to pay a big premium for a six hour date, her service is both sex and company. So she's implicitly telling you that you can't get better company for free. This type of sex worker tends to put less effort into making the sex hot for you. Cause she thinks you're oh so lucky to be getting her company.

Thank you everyone except desertscrub. You sir can go fuck yourself.

It seems like I'm being a bit cheap. Going rates in the FL clubs are usually around $200 plus the room. Her idea is the 6 hours and her rate is within the ranges you all speak of at $800. I'm not going to lie and say that I could keep things going that long. I would likely get bored after 2 hours and feel like I wasted money. Seems like a lot for a first time taking the skin boat to tuna town.

Oh yeah, did I mention that desertscrub can go eat a bowl of steamed dicks?

The skin boat to tuna town? I’ve not heard that before - and I like it!

The challenge is accepting her offer, as that sets $800 as the baseline for future encounters.

Maybe counter with $500 for 3-4 hours?

@Shanny72: "I'm not going to lie and say that I could keep things going that long. I would likely get bored after 2 hours and feel like I wasted money."

If you don't think you're going to get your $800 worth, the you likely *would* be wasting your money.

If she works in a non-extras club, and came up with that number, I'd suspect one of a few different things. One, she has a specific expense in mind and wants you to fund it. Two, she assumes you want to negotiate and started high. Three, she's getting that number from *other* OTC clients, and just figures it's standard. Four, at some point she's gonna ask you to front some portion of it, and then never return your calls. There's loads of other possibilities, of course, those are just the ones that popped into my head first.

In your shoes, I might suggest offering what you consider a reasonable amount for the time you think you'd not be bored. It's not precisely comparable, because I'm in flyover country and not in Central Florida, but on a per hour basis, what she proposed isn't TOO much more than I give my current SB for our "nnoners", as rick puts it. It's two or three hours, sometimes more, sometimes less, as GFE as she is capable of (because of some of her history, but it's far, far closer than when we started), and we've been going raw for quite some time now, with lots of cuddling and such, and she often makes me lunch afterwards. She's also nice enough to occasionally try for a second round, though that usually ends up being her hand, which she enjoys immensely herself.

So if you'd be comfortable giving 300 or 400 for two or three hours, just offer that instead.

If she looks like the pic you posted, and is latina, you should be able to get someone like that for $300-$400 an hour in the major cities. The latina chicks seem to charge below the American ones.
$800 is reasonable for 6 hours, but you dont need that time. You could ask her to extend it to an overnight for that much.
Usually someone charging $400 an hour wouldn’t offer overnight for $800. But with someone whos low volume or doesn’t have any other clients booking her it’s much more possible.

@shanny72

Like other have suggested, to reduce the pressure and length of the date;

Tell her “How about two dates of $400 each for 3 hours or 3 dates of 2 hours each at $270?”

It is about the same for you and a little more effort for her to have to get ready two or three times instead of only one time.

Since you said and I quote:
“I'm not going to lie and say that I could keep things going that long. I would likely get bored after 2 hours and feel like I wasted money.”

I think the two dates “deal” is the best alternative; because she will have an incentive to make it a good GFE so you both would want to have the second date.

Again the idea here is to have reasonable expectations and hopefully it works well for you both and you can make it a “regularly” event.

I had OTC with my ATF Ally, every Sunday for about two and a half years.

It became a Sugar Baby kind of relationship, the sex became better and better because she was able to relax, feel secure and enjoy it, she had multiple orgasms and was very sweet and shy about it, she would squeeze CJ junior when she would orgasm., and was very shy and happy about it, I really enjoyed it.

We would go on occasion to dinner to a fancy restaurant and she would refer to me as “my fiancé”, her sister had told me about it, and I thought it was kind and sweet of her.

Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.

I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Leia from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.

She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...

She was worth every penny and every second I spent with her.

Thank you for making me remember that OTC relationship.

Remember Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

Just be careful out there

Agree with those who suggested $300-400.

You didn’t mention anything about her “boundaries”. Some OTC playmates are not into DFK, FIV or BJs - even with a cover. Personally, absent those goodies I don’t feel any intimacy, just mechanical sex. I even had a dumb ass bitch try to play me by wearing pasties on her nipples at the start of an OTC session. Of course, I ended it on the spot.

I give your friend a lot of credit for wanting to spend six hours with you. She’s probably a real keeper. But, first time out, be careful! Be real clear about expectations. And, under no circumstances pay anything before the session ends.

In Florida, with a girl that looks like for 6 hours with multiple rounds of sex the $800 she offered doesn't seem bad to me.

If you figure on 2 to 3 rounds of sex that puts you at $266-400 per fuck. Given that you stated that the going rate ITC in your area is $200 + the cost of the room that would put you in the same price range per round of sex.

Personally, unless I knew the girl pretty well and knew that we had similar interests and would actually get along and have fun for a few hours of non-sex time I wouldn't go for a six hour date for your first otc with her. The only time I have done a 6 hour otc was with my atf and we had been doing shorter otc visits for about a year. I took her to a nice dinner and a concert that we had both talked about wanting to see before. She only charged me our normal otc rate that we usually did for 1-2 hours plus I obviously paid for the meal, drinks and the concert tickets.

If you aren't sure the two of you will have fun between rounds of sex I wouldn't do 6 hours for $800. I would counter with 2 hours for around $300-400 and if you have fun you can arrange a 2nd meeting a few days or weeks later and still only spend the $800 she was wanting.

Many of the extras clubs I’ve been to have an outrageous room fee, commonly anywhere from $200-500, and that’s before the girl makes her fee known. In such cases I’ll frequently offer her what she wants plus a significant fraction of the room fee to go OTC with me. It actually works sometimes.

A lot of good comments made. Ill just add a few notes. Girls all have variable rates. Don't get caught up in spending too much. She might enjoy her sessions with a guy paying $200 who can carry a good conversation than the guy who pays $750 that she smiles, closes her eyes, and looks away during the act. Also smokeshows are rarely good at or try hard in the sack. Id pay an economical rate for a 7 who you end a session with needing a shower over a 9 who lays there for mish with an experience who leaves you with an empty feeling on the ride home

Really $200 plus the room? Why would dancers want so much less than escorts? https://tryst.link/search?loc=27.94752%2… . Are dancers there typically drunks or addicts who look unhealthy? As far as I know, attractive dancers normally want more than escorts.

I'd pitch $400 max.

So, I sort of hate these threads because they all come down to such a wide range of factors that a solid answer is pretty difficult. How in-demand is the dancer? What's the going rate for that region? Is the dancer choosing to charge more because she wants to be picky about OTC customers (which is her prerogative)?

To me, $800 for 6 hours isn't that expensive, particularly if the dancer looks anything like that IG model. But I'd talk to her again about expectations. Because, for that amount of time she might be thinking more along the lines of a "date night" situation where you meet at a bar, have drinks, maybe grab a bite to eat, and wind up in a hotel room for the big event. So, it might be a 6-hour 'experience', but only 2 to 3 hours of sexy fun time.

Some dancers aren't thrilled about showing up at a room, stripping down, and launching right into sex. And the reasons for that can vary. So, clarify how that 6 hours is to be spent.

As others have suggested, I'd ask about the rate for 2 hours or so. Tell her that you'd be willing to extend that time in the future if the 2-hour encounter works out well.

“To me, $800 for 6 hours isn't that expensive”

Bingo.

OT

cashman... "The skin boat to tuna town? I’ve not heard that before..." you must watch grumpy old men. do not skip the out takes at the end of the movie

Ishmael makes several good points. I think the OP mentioned GFE in his initial post, so clarification of expectations is important.

" Why would dancers want so much less than escorts? .... Are dancers there typically drunks or addicts who look unhealthy? As far as I know, attractive dancers normally want more than escorts."

Some do want more, much more. Find someone else

Some of them are addicts. avoid them

We've discussed this before. why dancers and not escorts? for me, part of the answer is, with a dancer, once you agree to a meet up and a price, anything that happens is included. The dancer will stay as long as she is having fun. As others have noted, if she feels comfortable and safe, things become more fun. You may even have to remind them to leave.

The escort is on the clock. go over? it will cost you. Do something extra and she will charge you.

The downsides of dancers are they flake out often and don't show. They will start to view you as an ATM.

Admittedly I only quickly skim through everything posted. But if I'm reading correctly it seems you're talking about seeing an escort not taking a stripper OTC (out of club)

If so nearly every case a escort is going to run you much more money than seeing stripper outside the club

===> "Never had otc, as I really like to keep business at work."

I'm confused. Are you a dancer or a customer? Assuming you're a customer, which is the part you're playing on here, it's not business or a workplace for you - it's your personal entertainment.

As far as the price, I have nothing to add since I never had any interest in monopolizing a dancer for 6 solid hours. Of course she quoted you a high number - that's a long stretch for her. How many "shots on goal" do you really need anyway? If you want to counter with a more realistic number think about shaving down the amount of time she has to commit. Just a thought.

I was gonna leave it for Subra, but since he didn't seem to chime in & it is IMO very sage advice... Be wary of strippers who do the whole hourly rate thing, aka have an escort pricing model. This isn't exactly that, as 6 hours is a good chunk of time, but conceptually it's similar enough to give me pause. If you can find a way to lose the explicit time aspect, I'd do it. Other than that, I think most of the other stuff I'd say has been covered.

I was glad to see Warrior's comment about a lower price on repeat visits. I do something very similar, not quite so explicit, but I often will pay more at the start and revisit the terms on subsequent encounters once we're both comfortable with each other. Many on here say it's impossible to negotiate downward when yous start high, but that's not my experience at all. You could keep that in mind.

8-2 is the prime-time night shift for a hot dancer and she can make maximum during these hours. You want to keep her during the prime time when she should be working than doing this with you. Any amount suggested here won't make justice to her. 1500 is reasonable. Otherwise, she must be out of her prime days and good clubs don't give her prime night shifts

If a dancer uses the primetime club hours excuse to try to justify you paying $1000 for her, just see her on any day of the week besides Friday Saturday and maybe thursdays. Theres some days where dancers would be lucky to make $400 after a night shift. Even making $1000 on a good night isn’t that common.

Champ 1500 is ridiculous.

As Dolfan mentioned, strippers often work out to be cheaper on a per hour basis than escorts. Since strippers are often lower volume, you hear many cases where they will quote people a certain amount for the night instead of an hourly rate. An escort advertising online can often lose money if she sells an overnight too cheap and has other clients waiting. I have seen 500 per hour escorts offering overnights for $2000.

K the thing you mentioned about dancers also apply to escorts. The norm is for the hourly rate to include everything. There shouldn’t be an upcharge for “extras “ as long as it’s done within the same timeframe. Some will try to up charge for anal or bdsm fetishes. Some will try to do a full service upcharge which is basically a rob.

But just like dancers can get comfortable, so can escorts. Some escorts will give extra time for free if they don’t have clients waiting.

The reason you can see dancers doing overnights for 500 is because they’re likely low volume with otc. If a dancer has several clients willing to pay for otc with her, each willing to pay $500, she won’t be as likely to do a $500 overnight with one client.

@shanny72

One more thing you should be clear about what kind of sexual acts and positions you are wanting to try and pay for, and see if your girl will be willing to do them at the agreed price.

Get all the details in a written, signed contract like the pornstars do, so there is no “misunderstandings” and all the sexual positions and sexual acts that you both have agreed on, covered and or uncovered are written down, in black and white. (:D)

Because every girl, like every pornstar, is different and has different limitations to what they would be willing to do as GFE and they don’t do it with everyone.

Good luck and I hope you fulfill your sexual desires and you both walk away believing it was a good fair paid-for-sex experience.

Cj kent why are you always asking for pics and videos of peoples OTC? You haven’t posted any pics or vids of your own OTC encounters?

You provided your own definition of GFE and advised ensuring she squirts? hilarious.

The pornstar contract you mentioned can only be done if you’re actually filming each encounter and pretending as if you’re filming everything to make online porn. Otherwise you cant create a written contract with a regular otc girl or escort.
And even the pornstar contract you wouldn’t word it as paying her to perform specific positions it would be paying her to star in the film.

I have a few OTC encounters over the years and most the time it's either the price of a typical escort in the city you are in or what the price of a half hour VIP dance with the dancer is minus the clubs cut plus some additional cost.

Where I live an hour from an escort as hot as the dancer I do OTC with is typically around $300 to $400, and the VIP room is $300 and the dancer gets around $175 of this. Of the two most recent the first dancer charged me $375 right within the amount escorts of her looks typically got, and the other $225 which was $50 more than what she gets from a typical champagne dance. One thing about most dancers is they aren't as much of a clock watcher. The first one stayed with me about an hour and a half, then had to leave to get to the club. The second we went multiple times for almost 2 1/2 hours and I tipped her an extra $100.

Anything less than 500 for OTC could be high volume one. Ideally, a high class OTC should be around 1K.

I can't imagine wanting a 6 hour session. I'm of the pay them to go away mentality. 90 minutes is my preference. In my prime 60 minutes would have been fine.

I once had a session that evolved into 3 hours, her idea. Couldn't wait until the door hit her in the ass.

@Moneyman1234

I will play along and answer your questions to my hilarious comment as soon as you answer one simple question:

Q: why do YOU @Moneyman1234 aka cacaplop are trying to swamp these forums with repetitive, stupid questions, either via your own threads or crashing other threads?

:D

^ pot let me introduce you to kettle.

Remember children

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser”

~ Socrates

:D

^ you call anyone who refuses to rollover and engage with you a slanderer, for the takeaway you are slandering me, I defy you to answer a question or make a statement that isn’t plagiarism.
What kind of a fuckn loser, you are, not an original thought or statement coming from you.

So ridiculous, @twentyfive must work on his Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend.

Chill @twentyfive Chill!

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^ So stupid you post the same repetitive drivel over and over, what a easily manipulated bore.

There is a lot of variation. I actually have luck with a few girls I like for 250. They work in a club where the money isn’t great and they actually proposed that amount although if someone is trying to convince them they’ve told me they’ll ask for 400-500.

I will say though if you bite on a high price because you’re eager that’s probably the price they’ll always want.

I personally would start with a base rate of what their cut on a 1 hour vip would be. That would most likely be getting a good deal. The high end would be what you’d expect to pay all in for an extras VIP in the club which might run 500-600.

===> "I once had a session that evolved into 3 hours, her idea. Couldn't wait until the door hit her in the ass."

This. To be isolated in one place for 3 hours with a girl I'm paying to play with is just not something I'd be interested in. I've done some dinners and taken a fair number of strippers out to other clubs. I even brought one out to a night on Broadway - she was a fun girl. But I wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with any of them for 6 fucking hours trying to kill time between reloads.

Make her an offer she can't refuse that includes paying her $0 and tell her you would appreciate it if she paid for the room and washed your car.

It depends where you are (for example Baltimore is below a lot of places) but I'd guess $800-$1000 as the going rate.

$1000 is not the going rate, its only a going rate for low volume providers, or the famous ig models and pornstars with millions of followers

I don’t buy the low volume arguments, my personal opinion is if she’d do one guy for money, she’d do another guy the same, BTW not saying she’d do anyone but damn near close.

===> "I don’t buy the low volume arguments, my personal opinion is if she’d do one guy for money, she’d do another guy the same..."

You're entitled to your opinion, but that's not my experience, either OTC with strippers and definitely not with SA.

^ Not saying she’d do anyone, she might very well have standards, but if she’d do one guy for money then there’s certainly others out there, she’d do as well.

I am so special that every dancer who has done extras with me has done them with me and no one else, ever, never......

@shanny72

You have to decide, in advance, if you are interested in her, in the long run, as a one night stand, “escort”, sugar baby, girlfriend, future mother of your kids, kept woman, 🏆 trophy wife,, etc etc etc

Since you said she suggested the GFE, it is possible she is looking for a long-term/regular “relationship”/arrangement.

In my humble opinion and limited experience, She appears to be interested in YOU for some reason, (your wallet) but consider yourself lucky that she told YOU she is available. It might just be “love at first sight (of your wallet)”...

If you are interested in OTC with her on the long run you can suggest the P4P method of sugaring…

As always just remember:

“Nothing ventured, nothing gained”

A sexual/romantic/business pursuit often require to “risk” one of two situations:

1. pursuing when interest is not reciprocated (resulting in rejection)

2. failing to pursue when interest is-may be reciprocated (resulting in a missed opportunity).

Let’s be careful out there, and don’t fall in love/lust with a stripper, unless she has a heart of gold.

:D

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. She gave you a price and you think it's too much.

^you believe strippers can and should rob clients, so surely you understand just because she gave him a price doesnt mean its a firm price and her minimum? It could be testing the waters to see if he’ll take it, it could be given with the assumption that he’ll want to negotiate etc

===> "Not saying she’d do anyone, she might very well have standards, but if she’d do one guy for money then there’s certainly others out there, she’d do as well."

Of course. Low volume isn't the same as no volume. If I could talk her into it, there have to be others who could too.

@rickdugan: "If I could talk her into it, there have to be others who could too."

Yep. Whether it's a "right person, right time" thing, or a "we just clicked" thing, or whatever confluence of positive circumstances occurred, there's a decent probability that she's done it before, and even if you *are* the first, she now knows she can make good money from the right person, which makes it more likely you won't be the last. With any luck, she'll wait till you're no longer interested to start with others. 🤣

This topic needs an update!

Did you negotiate?
Seal the deal?

How'd it go?

Don't leave us hanging.....

There were two escorts that I made two-hour dates with. One because (assuming she wasn't lying) she had a very long drive to come and see me. The other because she was a beautiful Dominican, twice as hot to me as the typical escort. In both cases, it seemed to make them think I was stupid and/or desperately lonely and/or in love. They actually seemed to think they could just sit and talk with me for two hours. Never ceases to amaze me how some people seem determined to fuck with their own money.