OnlyFans has killed the talent level of stripclubs

I’m not sure if I agree or disagree with the basic premise that OnlyFans has killed the talent level. I think the pandemic may have had an influence on talent level. I also don’t think it is a fair assumption that the 10you see online would be on the pole if not for OF. I also think there are girls who try to use stripping to promote their OF business. So there are a lot of factors.

The internet changed everything about our lives forever. For one thing, it changed our view about what is an acceptable level of ( house, car, sex partner, vacation, job, etc ). It used to be, an average guy was happy with an average level of all these things. Now, a guy in the 50th percentile is only happy with the upper one percentile ( like onlyfan models ). That’s why so many people are miserable.

No, too many simps out there who don't want to touch. Even the ones that still work are starting to make more money with OF and sites like Telegram.

===> "All the onlyfans enablers has killed the talent level at all stripclubs. "

No it hasn't. The vast majority of strippers I know who tried it didn't make squat

And don't discount the multitude of cam sites that don't require a subscription like MyFreeCams, Chaturbate, Cam Soda, LiveJasmin, etc. I've seen girls make insane amounts of money on those sites. I'm sure their income surpasses what they could make twirling around a pole.

The problem is club management. Since reopening house fees have gone up. Clubs put more pressure on girls to sell drink quotas tables etc. And clubs pretty much turn a blind eye to prostitution as long as management gets a cut. These same managers usually have their "special girls". A lot of girls don't want to work in those conditions if they don't have to.

Clubs are going back to the days when stripping was a job for the desperate.

I think Mark94 made the statement of the day. Thanks to social media peoples every day expectations are way out of hand.

I know a few outliers, but for the most part most of the strippers I know that tried OF failed miserably. Even among the successful ones, it was a couple of big hits but not sustained income like the club. Also, the clubs around here aren't ruined. They're basically back to what they were 3 years ago. Inflation hit everything, so they're more expensive, but other than that its the same shit.

I do agree with Mark's premise though. There's a lot of keeping up with the Jones going on, and those who are unable to do so seem to be taking it quite hard. There's also greater income inequality, increasing at an ever faster rate, at least if you believe some of the studies out there.

The only girl that I personally know told me that she had 8 customers paying $12/mo to watch her play with toys.

I think the decline of strip clubs has more to do with the legal environment they are operating in. What keeps an industry healthy is competition among the producers and choice among the consumers. In many cities it has become increasingly hard to open a new strip club in a new area of town. Zoning laws and licensing laws are a difficult hurdle standing in the way of starting up a new strip club.

Imagine if no new restaurants could open and existing restaurants didn't have to worry about being driven out of business by a new and better restaurant. Quality would decline. This is what you have in the strip club industry. Strip clubs were never allowed in the ritzy areas of town but could often be found in somewhat safe working-class areas. Many existing strip clubs are located in areas that are now becoming dangerous urban ghetto areas and the clubs themselves are aging and undergoing slow physical deterioration. The middle-class customer base is moving further and further out into the suburbs away from existing strip clubs.

“There's a lot of keeping up with the Jones going on“

It’s worse than that. People are keeping up with the lies the Jones tell on social media about how perfect their life is. In fact, it’s possible that a small number of TUSCL members slightly exaggerate their sexual exploits. Difficult to believe, I know.

I don't think guys lie about the hookers they fuck. That's not a flex. But a lot here lie about their finances.

Social media can be a mind fuck. Some of the people I know with yhe most struggles have the most perfect social media lives.

But clubs are going downhill because they don't offer good working conditions.

There's been a lot of good points here. Most clubs in most areas just aren't worth the bs lol. Yes, most girls I knew with OnlyFans don't make diddly squat. The thing that people don't seem to get is that with these small $10 fees per month is that you gotta either be famous irl or get at least somewhat popular online to really make good money on OnlyFans cuz it is so cheap- (you need high volume of subscribers). For me personally w/ me wanting to hide my sht- not worth the problems with OnlyFans. I agree a lot of camsites these days you can make similar or more than the clubs, honestly. Been there/tried that but not gonna mess around while in school and potentially cause myself problems. And you can make way more camming w/o blowing up and getting social media famous than OnlyFans. OnlyFans only makes sense if you already got like 100k social media followers to start with and don't care about everyone seeing you or like you're already kinda famous irl like Danielle Bregoli. Also some of these big Twitch streamers that don't really game but camgirl on there instead with a huge fanbase will make money on OnlyFans.

Not just the internet, but long before the internet, television, changed the perception of what was attainable, and what your average American could hope to acquire, realistically or not, Before television the 1940s and early 1950s were pretty simple times, but once we started getting a visual of how other people lived from shows like I Love Lucy, and Ozzie and Harriet, that was when most people first got a look at how the upper classes lived, and it got even worse with shows in the 1960s and 1970s when shows like Dynasty and Dallas, and it exploded at that point, now you have shows like the Kardashians which are actually unattainable to most, and the whole Poseur culture of which Only Fans is a part of, and it's only going to get worse.

If a stripper is not a 9 or a 10, on OF she is competing with 100's of 9's and 10's that are the ones making the big money. Why would I subscribe to a 7 when I can be one of thousands paying $X a month to watch some 10 have sex on OF? A 7 is not going to make big money on OF. She is going to make money in a physical strip club doing whatever she has always done to make money.

I know a few strippers who have an OF. Only one of them is making any significant money, and she's paying a third party to manage it for her. She just does the fucking and picture taking.

A lot of good points here, but from my experience (Baltimore) the talent level is about the same as it always was. Maybe if you're from Vegas or Atlanta or another place like that your dancers might have left for camming or OF. But there were never any "10s" in Baltimore that stay in Baltimore.

For every success online there are hundreds, if not thousands of failed attempts at creating consistent only fans. You have to constantly upload content, keep it fresh, and manage the paid subscriptions. Most strippers can’t multi manage several duties required to keep an account thriving, and they tell me it’s more work than showing up at the club.

Your head is really going to a very fucked up place if you look for your good luck by wishing bad luck on others. You may up being a guard in the concentration camps that will open in Trump's permanent second term. If a woman prefers OF to stripping, and can make a comfortable income from it, more power to her, I wish her well. No matter how much I want a lap dance from her that I'll never get.

Generally, women go in and out of stripping, strippers move from club to club. I've never been able to discern any long-term trends.

I guess it's easier for me, since most reasonably healthy, young looking women are attractive to me. When women focus a lot on their appearance, the result don't do much for me.

Also true that gubment is the common enemy of strippers and PLs. It's true that, when women become strippers, it's generally because they're running low on options. If the gubment wants to "save" them, it should give them other options, not try to take away what may be their last lifeline. But ultimately, there will be women who want that fast money, and this is supposed to be a free country.

Making any kind of money as a content creator is hard. Making money as a content creator in a saturated market is incredibly hard. It requires a lot of time, dedication, and learning.

Women who get many, many thousands of followers on free platforms like Instagram discover quickly that most people don't like to pay anything at all for something that they can get for free. So, OnlyFans winds up being a disappointment for them.

There's a lot of diffusion in the market that's making it possible for women to try a bunch of things that aren't stripping. That's not going to change.

The key to onlyfans isn't looks. It's either being famous or beating the algorithm.

The biggest downside is scammers reselling content and making fake pages.

Yeah, I was gonna say most of the successful OnlyFans chicks that I'm aware of are not 9 and up at all. They are just good at angles etc and put in a lot of time/dedication. Or they were already famous for something else like being a reality show star and then made an onlyfans.

For the life of me I will never understand how seeing anyone on a screen is a substitute for in-person senses such as smell, feel etc. Rather hold hands with a 6 than watch a 10 on a computer play with herself. Fuck, I'd rather have a pudding cup than the latter.

one of these OF girls was interviewed on some youtube channel. she said that the fucking was the easiest part. all the rest, such as marketing, was the hardest.