DEBATE TOPIC: What is a ROB (Rip-Off Bitch)?

A lot of this game is based off another's word. I think when something is promised for $$$ and then that doesn't happen. She sold you a VIP dream and you bought, then the terms change radically. Or just outright thievery. I think falls under ROB.

Just being bitchy, which is very common, you know what maybe she was having a rough night I'm not sweating it to even remember it for the most part.

^This is exactly how I see it.

This one's easy. Makes like she's gonna deliver on xyz and then doesn't. Implied services count.

ROB

After front room negotiation and y’all agreed to $200 for BJ. You enter the VIP room & she collects the money upfront but refused to provide the service agreed upon before hand.

That’s a ROB and deserves to be hustled.

HUSTLE

(1) She promises you that VIP would be better but didn’t provide any specifics. You decided to bite anyway without nailing her down. In the VIP room, she only provides dances.

That’s a HUSTLE and the blame is on you for failing to clarify expectations before proceeding.

(2) Dances generally costs $20/dances but she charges $40/dance because she’s the hottest stripper in the club. You have the option of either paying her price or finding another dancer that charges normal rate. 100% HUSTLE

(3) She tells you that she doesn’t do single dances and expect a minimum of three dances upfront before dancing for a PL. Again 100% hustle since the rules are laid out clearly upfront.

It is pretty clear when she says she will do something and then doesn't she is a ROB. There is an ambiguous situation in which I don't think there is a term for it. As an example, take a strip club where all the girls allow breast touching. You agree to do lap dances with a girl assuming she is like every other girl there but then find to your dismay she doesn't allow that. This girl is not a ROB. However, she is benefiting from the fact the other girls are providing a higher standard of service which is luring more customers into the club. It creates something of a free rider issue where she receives a benefit from what the other strippers are doing but not her. This is not a big deal for me. It's just one and done on the lap dances. However, it makes me just a little less likely to head to the strip club in the future if I'm on the fence about going.

I don’t agree with the official TUSCL definition. My definition of a ROB is very strict. She explicitly agrees to certain services (HJ, Bj, FS), collects agreed upon sum in advance, and then doesn’t deliver. That and only that is a ROB in my book.

Saying “I guarantee you’ll have a great time,” or “I’ll rock your world,” or anything other than “I’ll do X for $$” and then not delivering doesn’t count. That’s just the time honored strip club hustle.

I think I have encountered a true ROB maybe twice in my long and sordid PL career. I have fallen for the strip club hustle a number of times, but that’s on me.

As far as naming ROBs, I used to think they should be, but I’ve changed my mind. I’ve seen to too many reviews or discussion posts where the PL just fell for the hustle, realized later he was a dumbass, and wants to call the girl out as a ROB. So my rule now is no names ever.

99% of ROB reports are actually PL policy failures. Hoping for magic in the vip, paying up front, going long on untried talent, and above all telegraphing gullibility, regularly result in PLs being disappointed and less wealthy when they should have known better. Any dancer is ready to "rob" you, if you let them. The trick is not letting them. Remember she's just a girl in her underwear, and that you should be able to manage the situation.

A ROB is what a customer with buyers remorse calls a stripper who didn't give him the mileage he wanted. It's also what a customer who makes himself a mark calls a stripper who treats him like a mark.

A rip off bitch would be a girl making a living rolling tricks

A little OT maybe, but kinda related I think: never paying up front is a stupid policy. A good general guideline perhaps, but never paying up front even if you have received explicit agreement to certain services means you are leaving a lot of good times on the table. Remember, the girls are just as wary as we are of getting ripped off. If I’m getting good vibes, and it puts her at ease, I have no problem paying up front. Like I said before, I think I have only been ripped off maybe two times after getting clear answers to clear questions and paying in advance. Of course, there have been lots of times I didn’t get good vibes and just bailed.

A ROB is any services promised which aren’t delivered, but money is taken for them. It doesn’t have to be sexual. It can be as measly as saying she’ll remove pasties or let you play with nipples, but not follow through. Or saying she’ll massage you, but not delivering.

A dancer charging more than other dancers isnt a rob, even if she charges one customer more than another. There isn’t any deception or scamming involved just because she charges one customer more.

I don’t think a dancer being vague is being a ROB. If she tells you that VIP will be fun, and she’ll take all her clothes off, but is otherwise vague, that isn’t a ROB.

Otoh if a dancer says something like pay more to get more to try to sell you a VIP, that can be considered being a ROB even though it’s vague. Especially if you have already gotten one lower priced dance.

If you pay up front for a dance, go to the back, and she demands more money before performing, that is an obvious rob.

Btw Icee has gone on record saying he thinks dancers have the right to beat and rob customers for any reason, hence he doesn’t really think robs exist.

When you see those terms like finesse or hustle used online, it seems to be just a prettier way to refer to robbing or scamming.

Another category important to note is mileage changing without informing... IMO this can also be a form of robbing. If you’re usually playing with her nips or pussy or getting a certain level of mileage in dances, and you pay for another dance and she suddenly swaps the rules in that dance, that can be a ROB. I can understand customers confirming and asking about mileage each time they’re seeing a dancer at the club, but the customer shouldn’t need to reconfirm boundaries or mileage before each single dance. If a dancer wants to change rules from one dance to the next, it should be her informing the customer before the dance is sold, IMO.

Also, airdances are a ROB imo, especially if the club advertises lapdances or touch lapdances or full contact lapdances. A dancer shouldn’t be working at a lapdance club if she only wants to do airdances, or she should be informing people looking to buy dances that she only does airdances, or just not doing private dances and only dancing on stage. I don’t think the customer should need to ask if a lapdance will be performed if its a lapdance club. A certain minimum should be assumed.

If you do get a lapdance where the dancer is just grinding your thighs for most of it, or only standing around stuffing her boobs or ass in your face, I can see arguments both for how that is or isn’t a ROB.

My first 15 or so years of being a sex worker customer was with escorts (only). That deeply ingrained into me the habit of not asking for specifics about what she will or won't do. Making that aspect of ROBbing moot in my case. For me, if she says I owe her more than what we agreed to, or shorts me time, she's a ROB.

One time, after a good single song, I got a half hour with a dancer. She told me to stop touching her part way through the half hour. She starting bragging about how many thousands she made every night. Seemed like a ROBby attempt to get me to tip her just to stop the dance from turning sucky. But maybe she thought my fingers got to close to her butthole, and I was about to go for ambush FIBH. Just avoided her after that. I heard the club eventually fired her.

@doc that's why clubs that get a lot of out of towners are bad. Clubs where dancers need to get regulars to bank are the best.

@Evasparkling what does "deserves to be hustled" mean?

Ilb you said you pay $600 just for lapdances in hotel rooms, yoi dont need to ask specifics but if an escort is doing lapdances that may be regarded as a ROB, since many will expect full service from an escort. But it is ironic I say that because I have been with an escort where I wanted a nude lapdance but she forced me into a blowjob basically saying blowjob or we sit there and do nothing.

^ I mean, it's not like we didn't see this coming from a hundred miles away...

If you get a timed dance and she spends the first 5+ minutes airdancing or sitting and talking that can be a ROB. If you ask her to dance and she continues posing or airdancing, its even more of a ROB. I don’t think the customer should have to verify whether a timed 30 minute dance will consist of dancing for the entire duration, or a mix of sitting and talking, air dancing and lapdancing.

Cim you baited cacaplop with this dumb thread . The topic has dealt with ad nauseum

Ok... bear with me, I'm a little fucked up on martinis right now. (A lot fucked up I guess) Otherwise I wouldn't even share this because it's kinda embarrassing.

Back in the late 80's/early 90's the go-go joints were mostly pretty lame, but the streetwalker action was hot, especially in the South Bronx. The girls might have been crack-addicted whores, but most of them looked good. They were out there day and night, 24 hours, and you didn't even need to worry about getting caught because everyone was on the take back then. Hookers gave freebies to cops, and pimps paid dues to police chiefs.

I'm driving around Hunts Point one night and I see this hot looking whore. She stood out among the crowd of other prostitutes. Real sexy. I slow down, open the window, and she approached my car. Before I even had a chance to engage in conversation, she ripped the glasses off my face and went back to the curb with the other whores. I was like WTF? She yelled at me 50 bucks to get them back. She took my eyeglasses hostage.

My first instinct was to drive away. She might have had a gun, or a pimp who supported what she did. I drove around the block to get my thoughts together, and decided she just wanted an easy payoff. The glasses were worth nothing to her, except that I would have to spend a couple hundred to replace them.

I went back around the block, held a couple $20's out the window, she snatched the bills and turned over my glasses. She asked for 50, I paid 40, and I drove away with my glasses. I didn't get laid, but I guess it was worth $40 to learn that lesson.

To me, that's the definition of a "ROB". So dancers adding one to the count is no big deal for me.

@ilbbaicnl

I was typing too fast.

It should be “deserves to be called out publicly/named”

I like seeing discussion topics like this and feel TUSCL could benefit with more posts like this and less drama.

From my pov, I feel a ROB is when a dancer falls through on an agreement for VIP and/or rips customers off in VIP by beginning dancing in the middle of a song after being seated and still charging the full price for that song. I see the latter frequently and it bothers me for some reason. I understand the hustle and getting as much $ as possible, but I also feel it isn't fair to the customer either.

^ Thank you.

@BY ROBbing is also impractical at a club unless it gets a lot of naive, typically out of town PLs (like in Vegas or Florida). ROBs are also bad for non-ROBs, since they drive away repeat customers from the club in general.

The only time where I've been tempted to call someone a ROB is when services were technically provided, but were too short to be enjoyable. "You want to finish? I'll take care of you for another $75."

I haven't named them in the past and usually leave out any mention of them in the review entirely.

@Call.Me.Ishmael

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

What is a ROB (Rip-Off Bitch)?

Urban Dictionary defines Rip Off Bitch - a woman that pretends to be a woman that will provide Escort services, but instead steals the money and runs.

How do you define a ROB? And, under what circumstances do you include a ROB in a club review?

Google says Rip-off is an informal term for a theft or fraud of some kind.

First used in the 1960s, rip-off comes from African American slang, from the vernacular rip, "to steal."

I would define a ROB as a stripper that steals, defrauds, promises and does not deliver.

I would not waste time on including a ROB in a club review, because thank you to listening to my spider sense I have been able to avoid most of them.

And ultimately the so called “Karma” will hopefully ultimately catch up with her.

If you want to take Karma in your own hands, a clever way to get back at someone who ripped you off a couple hundred dollars is to push them down a flight of stairs and let them know Karma is a bitch. (I am kidding of course)

Otherwise you can follow the traditional way of dealing with people that steals from you

1. File a report with the local police. ...
2. File a complaint with the state attorney general. ...
3. Submit a review or complaint to the Better Business Bureau. ...
4. Go to small claims court. ...
5. Get a private lawyer.
6. Etc etc etc (I am kidding again)

It is really part of the costs associated with the adult industry hobby, paying for learning about someone and it costs you a couple hundred dollars to get rid of her for ever, because you should never will have to deal with her again, if you learn the lesson.

The only situations that I consider to be ROBs are if she agrees to do a particular thing and then backs out after being paid or she tries to charge for more time/songs than she actually provides.

The more common of these is a dancer who over counts songs and tries to charge you for 8 dances when you actually only got 6 for example. Sometimes it can be a simple mistake and other times it is a straight up ROB but it can be hard to tell if it only happens once with the girl and she is only off by1 or maybe two songs.

I have also come across girls that try to short you on time during a timed VIP. The worst case of this was a few years ago at a club in Lexington, I bought a 30 minute VIP and after less than 20 minutes she said we were done. I told her that it hadn't been even close to 30 minutes and she told me that the 30 minutes was just the "maximum time it could last" and that she had given me "30 minutes worth of fun" because her dances were better than anyone else's at the club. Luckily the manager didn't agree and let me put the money I had prepaid to the club to take another dancer back to the vip and he gave the other girl the full dancer's cut instead of giving the ROB anything.

I don't know that that I have ever dealt with a dancer who agreed to do something specific and then didn't follow through with it. The closest would be a girl that agreed to a bj and fs and then once we got back to the vip it turned out she hated sucking dick so her version of a bj was about a minute of licking the sides of my shift before going into fs. It wasn't what I expected but it wasn't enough for me to consider it a ROB situation since we didn't really discuss details about the bj portion and she did do some oral before moving on to fs.

To be a Rip-Off Bitch, she has to be dishonest, thieving, or otherwise not acting in good faith. Having a pissy attitude, being up front about higher prices than other dancers, etc ia not m rip-off behavior. Trying to steal money from your pocket during a dance, charging more than what your agreed upon, overcounting dances, or charging $25/dance in a club wj3ere its

.. where they are normally $20 is rip-off behavior.

Rip-Off Bitches should be called out, by name, anytime and anywhere they are encountered.

"To be a Rip-Off Bitch, she has to be dishonest, thieving, or otherwise not acting in good faith."

That might also describe my 4th ATF lol, which means her upside was way, way, way up. All time high. But yeah, technically one of my ATFs is also a ROB. I don't see the two things as completely incompatible, but occasionally messy. More on this later.

Cim is the ultimate troll. He made this thread to give cacaplop a soap box and to bait the broke bums always complaining about not getting their money's worth.

If you go to a restaurant and a Waiter recommends a dish or upsells you. And you end up not liking it. Do you refuse to pay and call them a rob?????

^ I'm sorry that you're triggered by people not arguing.

They are doing what you baited them to do. Attacking dancers who don't fuck them and cacaplop is on the soap box you made him. This was yoir intent fucking troll

If you go to a restaurant and a Waiter recommends a dish or upsells you. And you end up not liking it. Do you refuse to pay and call them a rob?????

2icee, it doesn't really look like there's much arguing going on here in this thread. At least so far. It's ok for people to speak their minds even if you don't agree with it.

This ROB topic always get waved off like everybody sees it the same, but like anything else there's some nuance there.

Time constraints so I only read a couple posts. I don't know if an outright thief was mentioned. Years ago a dancer actually picked my pocket while she was holding my dick. As far as I'm concerned she was a ROB in addition to being a thief.

The extras robs are a commonly mentioned category

But there are some dancers who are robs even with standard lapdances.

Some dancers have rules against grinding too long or more. Some are long dance robbers. You could get a decent 10 minute dance but find in a 30 minute dance sbe spends half the time sitting around or posing

There was an anonymous stripper interviewed by some magazine who bragged about selling VIP rooms where she sits and talks for most of the time

There’s unfortunately a rob culture promoted by people like Icee... people competing over how much they can finesse

Lol icee if you pay for someone to mow your lawn that what they have to do your purp fuelled analogy is illogical, no wonder skibum spayed you

Cim wallowing in giving cacaplop a soap box

If you go to a restaurant and a Waiter recommends a dish or upsells you. And you end up not liking it. Do you refuse to pay and call them a rob?????

^ Go to a restaurant order Chilean Sea Bass, the waiter substitutes haddock or cod without telling you and you are billed for the ordered dish, Is that a ROB Iceefag ?

Icee what you’re saying is just a manager telling you this dancer is good you should definitely get dances with her. Nobody said thats a rob

A rob is a dancer who doesnt perform a dance, or otherwise doesnt perform the agreed upon services. If you go to a massage parlor and they dont perform it’s robbing

In the restaurant scenario, if I order the seafood special but the server brings out a steak, and then tries to convince me that it's what I ordered or that a mistake hasn't been made. That's a restaurant ROB. If I order something and the menu says that it's $35 but the bill says that it's $55, and the server tries to convince me that a mistake hasn't been made. That's a ROB. But, if I take the server's recommendation on a dish and it's not as good as I hoped, that's a risk I took of my own free will. Not a ROB, but I also know to not follow that server's advice in the future.

Also, the critical difference is that a server is recommending a product; they are not themselves the product. Servers don't have control over what gets cooked in the kitchen and the customer's ultimate evaluation of it. Dancers have control over what gets promised on the floor and then what gets provided in VIP.

And everyone above is also affirming that if they let a dancer use vague language and then don't enjoy the VIP, that's also not a ROB. They took a risk and it didn't work out. That's on them. But, similar to the scenario above, they probably won't put a lot of faith in that dancer in the future.

But you already know that. You're just unhappy that people aren't fighting and that they're also not conforming to the demonizing image that you project onto all strip club customers who aren't you.

Clubs and dancers can be a ROB when they announce they are having a dance special, e.g. two dances $40 when the regular price is $50. The PL's pay the $40 in advance and wait with the dancer for the special to begin.

The first dance is excellent. The second dance sucks - basically air dance with boobs in face. The DJ also cuts the second dance short.

Never again will I purchase a dance special.

... or, rather, the fictionalized version of you presented here.

^ Got ninja'd by WiseToo.

Cim so basically you only think it's a rib when a stripper isn't a hooker. An upsell you end up disliking isn't a rob in any other scenario. You made this thread to incite the buns who think a stripper not fucking them js a rob.

Is an app that you download a paid version of and dislike a rob? Is a teeth whitening place a rob if you don't like your results? Grocery stores that bait and switch specials? An insurance ad on you never use?

But keep trollingnand baiting and inciting cacaplop. Coz thats what your intention is

Iceefag you added the restaurant scenario to the thread, but it's not like you're invested in any of the statements you make, with you it's all performance art (ie: trolling)

WiseToo said "Clubs and dancers can be a ROB when they announce they are having a dance special, e.g. two dances $40 when the regular price is $50. The PL's pay the $40 in advance and wait with the dancer for the special to begin.

The first dance is excellent. The second dance sucks - basically air dance with boobs in face. The DJ also cuts the second dance short."

Eh. I wouldn't call this a ROB, really. A bad business practice and bad customer service, sure. But not a ROB. If the club cuts the second song short, then I might put that in a review, but not the bit about the dancer.

I'll also note that whenever I've been in a club that offers dance specials, I don't do them for this reason. I was in a club years ago and they ran a dance special. A dancer approached me and said, "Do you want to do the special with me? You get a free t-shirt." I told her that I'd never wear the t-shirt and I never do dance specials because dancers hate them and give mediocre dances. She promised that the two discounted dances would be excellent, but asked that if I enjoyed them, then would I promise to buy two more dances at the not-discounted rate. I took that offer, got four excellent dances, and she got paid. Smart dancer.

I guess I'll rewrite what I posted up near the top. It was a little narrow.

A ROB makes like she's going to do xyz and then doesn't or drops a big upcharge. Then maybe still doesn't deliver. Wants money for stuff she didn't do. Steals from you. Lies to try and get more dollars.

What's missing?

I think the most common ROB tactic involves overcounting dances or insisting the customer agreed to a higher price.

It's about lying, not sex.

It’s not like there’s a genuine debate to be had here, we all know what constitutes a good deal and we all know what constitutes a rip off, there just a single simpleton that doesn’t have any other value or reason to be here, except to troll and look for an argument where none really exists.

Ah, so Icee is taking a page from BTE by just continually asking questions regardless of the answers. I guess that Icee has found a new "Jerry" to his "Dean". I'm sure that you two kids will be very happy together.

Anyway, when a customer asks for a particular thing in VIP, it's not always about sex. Ultimately, if a dancer promises to do a specific thing, and then doesn't do that thing, then that's a ROB. Also, if a dancer promises to do a specific thing for $[X] money, but in VIP suddenly changes the price to $[X]+$200, then that is also a ROB.

But I appreciate you bumping this thread and generating more feedback from users who are here to actually talk about dancers and strip clubs.

As opposed to genetic tests, midgets, playlists, and whatever else...

We might have a genuine reason to debate when it might be appropriate to call out a dancer for being a ROB, but there’s very little reason to believe there is any question as to what actually is a ROB

I think this whole conversation is way overblown. IMHO the bar should be extremely high before a girl gets labeled like this.

A grown ass man of a certain age and who makes a good income should understand the unique advantages he has over a young naked girl who is half his age and has a fraction of his life experiences and resources. She has to be good enough to entice you to pay her good money for efforts, all the while dealing with other competing girls, guys who pull a variety of stunts and various other crap. Sure a certain amount of hustle is involved and she may even pad the bill a bit. So what?

I can count on one hand the number of girls I've dealt with in all these years who I would genuinely call a ROB, each involving direct theft or a flat out explicit bait and switch. Frankly I'm tired of whiny complaints in threads like this from guys who have infinite advantages over many of these girls.

And I'm not just talking about money and age advantages. I've lost track of how many pairs of panties I've removed OTC from hot young strippers. After doing the same shit countless times with many generations of dancers over the years it's almost instinctual now. The same buildup conversations; the same pickups on body language and tonal quality; the same buildup routines for the more reluctant girls; the same rapport building mechanisms to make a girl feel more comfortable dealing with me; etc., etc.

Anyway I'm running on now, but I for one will never view myself as a victim when dealing with these girls.

Friendly reminder not every post is for the diehards. CMI took the time to post a thread about when to callout a ROB, when there still are probably plenty of dudes wondering about "did I get ROBbed?" after a misadventure.

It's ok to throw a bone. And as I think I covered already, for me being a ROB is not necessarily a deal killer lol.

Rick mate you said youre muscular and built like a truck.

Anyway a rob is much more than extras. What if a club advertises lapdances or full contact lapdances and you get a dancer doing an airdance? Do you really need to verify before paying if she’s going to do a proper lapdance or an airdance? And what if she does claim to offer a lapdance then offers an airdance?

What about dancers who just sit on or ride the thighs for the entire dance? Some or many guys may enjoy groping a dancer while she rides the thighs, but is it really a lapdance if she is only grinding the thighs for the entire dance? It comes down to how a lapdance is defined. if the club is advertising lapdances then an airdancer is a ROB unless she informs you before paying that she only does airdances. I would also expect someone at a full body massage parlor to tell me before paying if her massage is just an air massage where she blows on me instead of massaging with hands

Cim trolled and gave cacaplop and weirdos a soap box for misogynistic bitter bs. That's what the thread is and he knew it would be.

I'm not going to avoid posting about a topic that interests me just because a couple of trolls are likely to troll.

At this point, you react to BTE's posts more than anyone else here. So, you're the problem.

And I suspect that you keep replying to an obvious troll because you lost SJG as a convenient foil to force threads into a lot of needless bickering and drama.

Anyway, my thanks to the majority who responded in good faith. It's appreciated.

Cim you knowingly made this thread to give cacaplop a soap box. You get off on trolling and troll enabling.

Misogynistic bs isn't responding in good faith but you know that.

You made this thread knowing what would entail. You're the problem fucking idiot

Well, as you're fond of saying to everyone, go ahead and ignore me (but we know you won't).

So, is your next inevitable post the one I shouldn't respond to because having the last word is so important to you? I lose track.

You always troll snd try to have the last word. Go ahead stupid bitch

Icee you dont get what a rob is. People have mentioned what it is and you say if she lies about providing services shes just smart and finessing. You also said its fine if strippers rob people

My point is proven

LOL Iceydodo is obsessed with participating in what she believes is a troll thread. It's like she enjoys it given how much she keeps enabling it.

🤭🤡😂😂😂

Iceepurp you got spayed by ishmael today

@icee "my point is proven"

You don't have a point.

LMFAO Iceydodo is just a bit obsessed here, making the same point multiple times. Clearly she's obsessed with enabling and participating in trolling here. 🤭🤡😂😂😂...

"Cim you baited cacaplop with this dumb thread ."

"Cim is the ultimate troll. He made this thread to give cacaplop a soap box..."

"cacaplop is on the soap box you made him. This was yoir intent fucking troll"

"Cim wallowing in giving cacaplop a soap box"

"But keep trollingnand baiting and inciting cacaplop."

"Cim trolled and gave cacaplop and weirdos a soap box for misogynistic bitter bs. That's what the thread is and he knew it would be."

"Cim you knowingly made this thread to give cacaplop a soap box. You get off on trolling and troll enabling."

I see things like 2-for-1 specials, strippers having to buy crappy shit if they can't get PLs to buy it, etc. as ROB-ish shit clubs do to strippers. Comparable to when a dancer doesn't take her top off till the second dance. Or when car dealerships wants to tack on $300 for plastic floor mats. If a dancer gives me two good dances, I'll pay her for the normal price for two, special or not. I haven't really experienced that, that it's standard practice for the second dance to be crappy for a 2-for-1 special.

At PoleKatz near Chicago, with most of the dancers, the 2-for-1 specials are the only way to get the most of the dancers to actually dance two full songs. They'll start in the middle of song otherwise. But, regardless, their dances are crappy anyway. They see by-the-song as a chance to be paid to badger you to buy an expensive half-hour. Supposedly great because you get "bottle service". Bottle up your ass.

Off topic ... I think that club reviews should be split into two distinct categories: customer reviews and dancer reviews, with only verified dancers being able to see the option to post a Dancer Review. And the dancer reviews should be filterable from the customer reviews.

Right now, dancers have to identify that the review is from a dancer's perspective somewhere in the body of the review (and many don't do that). It can be confusing for adjudicators if they don't figure out that it's a dancer doing the review. And it would be best if only dancers could judge those reviews, but I'm not sure that there are enough active dancers here to do that. Perhaps features like this could get more dancers to participate, but until then it would need to both customers and dancers judging the reviews (as it is now).

I don't think there are enough dancers active on TUSCL to separate the vote, and their participation is a lot more spotty. CMI has a point about dudes getting confused if dancers don't come right out and say they're dancers in their reviews, but dudes get confused by a lot of things lol. Especially on TUSCL.

I agree. There needs to be more active dancers for them to be the sole judges of dancer reviews. But it's still possible to categorize them differently and make them easier to recognize. Judging (for now) would stay as is.

Dancers have zero incentive to write reviews on a niche site for tricks.

Also dancer profiles are clearly marked.

I don’t have any ROB stories mostly because if I have ever fallen victim, I blame myself for allowing it to happen in the first place. I know that doesn’t mean you can’t get blindsided and fall victim to a ROB but I can’t specifically remember any first-hand experiences.

I do have a NOT-a-ROB story from two nights ago and I honestly haven’t seen such an amazing master of the arts in action for a long time.

OK before anyone gets their panties in a wad, prostitution is legal here. It is ubiquitous and out in the open. And like a kid with unlimited access to a candy store who soon loses his excitement for all the candy he can possibly eat, the gentlemen here partake when they feel like it and don’t walk around with their tongue hanging out.

This was not a strip club, it was a bar. No dancing but kind of like a hostess club but not exactly. Around 25-30 real employees, females just hanging around performing cocktail waitress duties to the six customers but mostly looking to catch your eye and sell their wares. Most of the women were hanging out on the street front deck as was I. I was waiting for the waitress in the restaurant a few doors down to get off work so where else to hang out having a beer but at Hookers-R-Us.

Interesting side note, I was approached by a number of girls but one was frustrated that I could not hear what she was saying and she pulled out her smart phone (that’s what you call it right? A smart phone?) Any way for some reason she kept typing into google translate which I have never seen before. The translation part wasn’t necessary but it was really strange to see “If you want sex we have a VIP room” and more typed out in English as she matter of fact explained the workings of the bar.

OK to the Not-a-ROB story. Across the deck was the most attractive girl in the place and we kept doing the eye glance thing but she didn’t come until I finally motioned her over. Her slowness in responding to eye contact which is a standard sign of interest led me down the path that I had already assumed. That was that she was young, shy, new to the business and uncomfortable in approaching customers. Either that or she wanted nothing to do with me (it happens).

She came over smiling sweetly as if she were relieved and happy that I had chosen her to talk to. I invited her to sit down and bought her a drink, a very expensive drink. As we waited for her drink to arrive, we did the normal introductory banter. She was 19, a university student and this was only her third night on the job. She felt very intimidated by so many beautiful women that she didn’t know how she would ever compete. I assured her she was the best looking girl there as my paternal instincts were taking over (poor sweet girl). At the same time my other head was having other ideas (she was stunning).

She thanked me for buying her drink when it arrived. It was a virgin margarita about six to eight ounces. To my amazement she emptied it like a shot of whiskey. Half sarcastically I said that I bet that was the first drink any one had ever bought her. She said yes it was, thanked me again and asked if she could have another one. Knowing that she gets kickbacks for the expensive ladies’ drink and not sure if maybe she was just really nervous, I agreed but told her she needed to slow down, that that isn’t how a ladies drink is supposed to work. She smiled an embarrassed smile while apologizing as I’m beginning to shake my head and laughing to myself.

She is sweet and charming so we continue until her drink arrives. She ignores it and I go back to being smitten. About two minutes go by as she plays me like a fish on the line when she picks up her drink and empties it in one gulp. I’m almost laughing out loud now and she asks if I’m hungry. I say no that I’m going out to eat in a little while. She then asked if I would buy her dinner. Now I know she isn’t the innocent inexperienced girl that I felt sorry for. I decline and say my good byes when she asks if I would please come back tomorrow night to see her. “Maybe we could go out somewhere”. I smile and say that I’m already thinking of coming back.

As I walk away she has an after-thought and a request. “When you come back if I’m with another guy or in the VIP, you know, please wait until I’m free”. No problem, I understand completely.

Bottom line is that she was not a ROB but a very skilled player of the game. Shit I could go broke chasing her, LOL.

Don’t confuse realizing you were played with being cheated.

Dancer profiles are clearly indicated, but when they write reviews it's not clear that it's not always clear that it's a dancer-written review unless they write "This is a dancer review." at the top (which is what bharlem does).

There are many dancers with profiles on this site. Very few participate in discussions, but they log in to research clubs where they might work. It would be useful for them to be able to distinguish clearly between customer and dancer reviews.

But they are distinguishable. If someone can't differentiate profiles that's on them and not the site.

Dancers get info on clubs from instagram. Ig pages. Google reviews. Private reddit groups. While I think tuscl has a lot of potential. It's not a major player for dancers.

One thing I think would make the site a lot better is if there was a way up or down vote reviews once they're posted. There are too many obviously fake reviews. Which in turn impact the veracity of the site in general.

When reviews are in the judging queue, we see nothing about the person who posted it. A review from a dancer on screen looks exactly like a review from a customer. It's anonymized, and that's intentional. It would be useful to be able to distinguish a dancer perspective from a customer perspective while they're in the queue and then filter them in or out of view once they're published.

By trying new things (and not necessarily what I'm suggesting), TUSCL could increase its visibility and utility for dancers.

If there’s something flagging dancers, I’d also love the queue to flag accounts that have never written a review before, and also reviews for clubs that haven’t had a review in at least 4 months. (Because I’d want people to be encouraged to be more lenient with those club reviews)

As far as dancer reviews…dancers as a whole I don’t think are all that big into writing club reviews. There have been a number of platforms specifically for club reviews over the years that get a heyday, then die off, and then a different one will rise from the ashes. A lot of dancers are plenty happy to give intel when directly responding to a question or making casual conversation, but I think many are less motivated to “log” their experience the same way a lot of male customer tusclers are.

And the few who are more inclined to write reviews at the moment are more likely to write those reviews on an app that is specifically devoted to dancer reviews and it’s still active right now. And dancers can write reviews without people disparaging “useless” dancer reviews nor commenters talking smack about a club’s mileage.

I don’t think tuscl has a visibility problem, I think it has an image problem. And when a dancer does occasionally venture in and give club intel, and it’s not one of the “approved” clubs, then she will be either ignored or flamed. Neither is particularly encouraging. And most dancers are not like me who gets entertainment out of shitposting.

One example of a time a dancer ventured in, and was probably not all that motivated to stay. And that individual has contributed a LOT about club intel on other platforms. But who knows if she will ever contribute anything on tuscl ever again. tuscl.net

@nicespice “One example of a time a dancer ventured in, and was probably not all that motivated to stay.”

IMHO that has been a “challenge” not limited to dancers. As a lurker I distinctly recall a first-time review from someone about a club in Madrid. He was clear that he had about a 60% positive experience but went on to list a number of negatives and if I recall correctly recommended giving the club a pass. Then some moron savaged him and his review as a “club ad”. What kind of club advertises not to waste your time going there?

I watched for a while and the reviewer never showed up again.

BabyDoc said "Then some moron savaged him and his review as a 'club ad'."

Whoever could that be? It boggles the mind...

You keep calling him cim which is an escort and extras forum review term. He keeps spaying you

@nice: "I think it has an image problem"

Can you expand on that?

"What kind of club advertises not to waste your time going there?"

Ask desert scrub. He keeps saying reviews ads where I said I had a mediocre time at Club Desire, or that it's gone downhill.

Shrub is a turd licker, a two faced phony.

I think I've got more than half the members here on ignore. This site makes me wonder if I seem really annoying to strippers. Why would they want to deal with it, when they deal with it for hours every week at work? Maybe they would like the site better if they were aware of the ignore capability, and the dancers only forum. I'd think they'd at least want to read the reviews of a club they were thinking about dancing at.

Marking reviews before they're published isn't fair. I like the anonymous approval format

But up and down voting reviews once they're published would be a very useful tool if it weren't abused

^ Both of those comments from the moron who claims the reviews have no value, and they're all fraudulent Talk about self awareness, hey Iceefag

"But up and down voting reviews once they're published would be a very useful tool if it weren't abused"

Oh, would it ever be abused. But I wouldn't mind a reporting button for something that connects girls by name to extras or is otherwise inappropriate.

Problem is reviewers have very different standards. I think some idiots literally click approve down the line. Others have a reviewer who's obsessed with sliming a certain club.

But overall I think the current system works more often than not.

For every new feature introduced to this site, there has been at least one (and often several) users who have tried to weaponize it.

"I think some idiots literally click approve down the line."

Right now, DickyDoo2's ears are burning.

I also remember a fav telling me it's hard to read you body/appearance being described as though you're a used car.

"And most dancers are not like me who gets entertainment out of shitposting."

^^^@nicespice I am amazed and have much respect for you and other dancers that have stayed for so long. I have seen many more come and go here for all the reasons you stated. And the ones that do stay are a key reason that the boards stay alive. It would be a boring sausage fest here without dancers. So shitpost away. Please!

So the question the OP raised. ROB is also possible if the dancer accepts the request for dances then announces AFTER the dances that the price SHE charges is double the standard going rates but never mentioned that before. These ones are usually pissed when I have exact change for the price I THOUGHT I was being charged.

—>“9 Hours Ago @nice: "I think it has an image problem"

Can you expand on that?”

Whenever tuscl gets brought up in dancer groups one in a while, there tends to be negative comments about the site. In my personal opinion only, some of it is deserved and some of it is not.

—>“IMHO that has been a “challenge” not limited to dancers. As a lurker I distinctly recall a first-time review from someone about a club in Madrid. “

And that’s a shame. I enjoy reading about what places are like in other countries, even if I personally will only realistically be in the contiguous 48 states. Maybe it would be a good idea to have a disclaimer in the review submission box that some feedback is bullshit haha

@sirlap Much appreciated 😋 —— And as far as mentioning ROB behavior, I guess if I was a male customer I’d personally keep neutral about using that term. I’d just simply describe whatever negative interaction happened, if I considered it worth mentioning, and allow others to come to their own conclusions.

I remember working at one club at one point that was known for extras and at that time had a higher volume of reviews on this site. And while I was going around being the new girl there, club regs would often buy a couple dances and then bring up, unsolicited, about a cabana. And I’d be like “sure” and then they would try to ask follow up questions about what I would do. And I just said some variant that it would be more fun, and then they would express their displeasure in a pretty clear way. One guy even told me once that my answer was “political”. I considered my behavior at that time as pretty neutral, but there was probably some who thought I was being a ROB judging by their reactions. Oh whale 🐳

Cim you're an idiot who weaponizes features. Like hacking html to close threads.

Wah you little bitch. Go kill yourself. Do it right this time.

@nicespice “And that’s a shame. I enjoy reading about what places are like in other countries,”

And my impression here has been that you are one of the few. Though when the spirit moves me, I do try to give the reader enough information to answer whatever question someone might have and to paint a picture of the clubs.

Alright I just got off a plane and came that close (imagine something really close) to dying at the hands of a speeding car. I survived I’m sure only because there just wasn’t enough time for my life to pass before my eyes.

Because it’s you maybe I can go check out a local club and bang something out tonight or tomorrow.

No promises because as everyone has seen, I’m really lazy. I mean just this past week I couldn’t even take a prostitute to my hotel and make her gag on my ten inch member. I mean how lazy is that?